I know my comment seemed like a one-off shot, but there is a point in there. Number7 shuts down dialogue by proclaiming liberalism against all who don't toe his own line. I'll never forget Rich from the POA forums giving what he thought was a genuine argument for open borders from a libertarian perspective. And he is certainly no liberal. I wish the Spin Zone was archived so I could dig it back up and we could hash it out.

I don't happen to agree with an open borders concept. So I guess the only box I fit in is ultra conservative. Or so says Number7.

I don't have a ton of time to commit to responses here lately, but I still follow along.

I'm a libertarian more than anything else and I understand the libertarian argument. I disagree with it. It's based on a utopian ideal and just like every utopian ideal it is an extremist position that doesn't work in the real world.

My position on immigration , like most rational people, is moderate. I am for legal immigration with standards. I am not for a closed, isolated society. That leads to terrible consequences. Neither am I for wide open borders which also leads to terrible consequences.

The left calls anyone who doesn't agree with wide open, uncontrolled borders xenophobic and racist. That's counterproductive, patently untrue, and is actually a tool used by the left to paint the right as an unalloyed "Face of Evil". They have brought this approach into full mainstream chant and thank your choice of God or gods many normal human beings in the Democrat party are saying, wait a minute, this insanity doesn't represent me. I'm walking away.

The reverse extreme, true xenophobic racist people who advocate a completely closed society, without even legal immigration, is very rare in the U.S. at this moment, existing only in a few fanatic fringe groups. There is virtually zero exposure of such people's ideas in any media, mainstream or not. On the contrary, it is the left who has infiltrated their extremist position into the open with such established mainstream politicians as Hilary Clinton advocating for no borders at all.

We must get control of our borders or we are doomed sooner rather than later. The only question is what set of standards to use for allowing legal immigration. That should be the issue we argue about, not whether or not to stop the flow of illegals. But the far left has got us focused on the wrong issue and is trying to block all efforts to stop that flow and we all know why: votes.

What's my Delta Chi name?

Mallard.

This couple reminds me of the couple that loved non-violent grizzly bears and got eaten by the sweet little things.

Ocasio-Cortez won't be able to stand up to the pressure of even a sympathetic Media who supports her Communist agenda.  That is pretty weak if you ask me.  It will be interesting to see if they turn on her if she keeps this up.  She is the David Hogg of elected office.  Fifteen minutes, and then obscurity.  I wonder what outlandish things she will say to keep her name in the Media.

I think you may be in error regarding the depths to which the MSM will descend. This girl is the ONE success story they have, and my guess is they will ride her like a frothing horse all the way to the HR win. We haven't heard anything yet. Once she's in office, the MSM will absolutely go ballistic and we will get 24/7 coverage of everything she says, does, and writes, including the consistency of her latest bowel movement.

The left media is desperate. In the absence of an actual statesman - they will pin their glory on the least objectionable far-left whatever the electorate dishes up. This girl could get drunk, proposition one of her male followers, strip nekkid and falling down drunk and she would still be elected, and garlanded.

And that is why we must never make asechrest a moderator.

 

^^^^^^I notice you're STILL not a Moderator.

My point was that anyone that ran as a Democrat would win in that district including, but not limited to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro (either brother), Che Guevera, Atilla the Hun, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ma Barker, the Three Stooges, the Spanish Inquisition...……...

I wasn’t expecting the Spanish Inquisition...
to run in that district. But Wikipedia indicates it is almost 50% Hispanic ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_14th_congressional_district  ), so not sure that would turn out well.

A more in-depth story - https://www.npr.org/2018/07/31/634373403/d-c-couple-killed-in-tajikistan-attack-were-biking-around-the-world-together

I'm not sure they were out to prove evil doesn't exist. But the quotes in that DC article I think represent a special kind of first-world naiveté. There are parts of this world that are absolutely brutal. It's a kind of brutality that most of us are forever shielded from in the safety of the richest country in the world. It's a kind of shocking brutality that could not be prepared-for, and which I think would make most of us violently ill if we witnessed first hand.

When the LEFT says they "want to have a conversation", or "want to have a discussion", they are actually saying they want to lecture you, and demand that you comply with their views, and their wishes.  They only want 100% capitulation.

William F. Buckley — "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."