Post by: nddons on February 15, 2021, 02:00:19 PM
https://www.facebook.com/100044315775281/posts/268219134665277/?d=n
If you’re not on FB, here’s that post:
“George Washington turned an army of ragtag troops into an unstoppable force that defeated the British & secured America’s independence. As President, he oversaw the creation of our Constitution & showed the world what it looks like to govern by the people and for the people.
”The people responding to this and other posts aren’t buying it. They are laying huge scorn on her for stabbing Trump in the back and/or just being a RINO.
She would be the female GOP presidential candidate adored by the GOP establishment swamp dwellers. She will lose.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2021, 02:32:45 PM
Ain’t happening.
Post by: nddons on February 15, 2021, 03:07:03 PM
Yep, she and her fellow establishment republicans haven’t realized the majority of the party are done with them. The establishment believe that everyone will forget, and come back to the plantation.It’s worse than that. They think they can purge the Trump influence from the 75 million who voted for him, separating us from Trump, while counting on all 75 million to vote for “their” candidate next time.
Ain’t happening.
They could not be more stupendously wrong.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2021, 03:14:58 PM
It’s worse than that. They think they can purge the Trump influence from the 75 million who voted for him, separating us from Trump, while counting on all 75 million to vote for “their” candidate next time.
They could not be more stupendously wrong.
Their "logic" is "hey, it's either one of our hand picked RINO's or the democrat". The arrogance of the Turtle and the establishment is they truly don't believe they can be primaried.
Post by: nddons on February 15, 2021, 03:48:18 PM
Their "logic" is "hey, it's either one of our hand picked RINO's or the democrat". The arrogance of the Turtle and the establishment is they truly don't believe they can be primaried.Yes, they are arrogant as fuck. And they absolutely don’t get that Trump’s draw went well beyond Republicans. He had a significant increase in the black vote, Hispanics, and independents - people who have zero loyalty to the party.
They are incapable of it, but what they really should be doing is romancing the Trump voter - telling us what the GOP is about, living the ideals (and not the Dem Lite version), explaining conservatism, America-first, and praise nationalism.
The candidate that embraces these things could win, regardless of what party he or she is from.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2021, 04:00:24 PM
Yes, they are arrogant as fuck. And they absolutely don’t get that Trump’s draw went well beyond Republicans. He had a significant increase in the black vote, Hispanics, and independents - people who have zero loyalty to the party.
They are incapable of it, but what they really should be doing is romancing the Trump voter - telling us what the GOP is about, living the ideals (and not the Dem Lite version), explaining conservatism, America-first, and praise nationalism.
The candidate that embraces these things could win, regardless of what party he or she is from.
Today's GOP is nothing more than the republican wing of the democrat party. "Vote for us, don't ask questions, and go the fuck away until next election!"
Ben Sasse, Pat Toomey, Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Murkowski, Lyndsey Graham, Marco Rubio, John Cornyn, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy..............and on and on. Nothing conservative about these asswipes.
Post by: bflynn on February 15, 2021, 04:06:30 PM
Without his twitter bully pulpit, how will Trump call them names?
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2021, 04:18:35 PM
Haley will raise lots of money, but she's already extinguished her chances with the voters.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 15, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
Both Pence and Haley have started their 2024 campaigns.
Without his twitter bully pulpit, how will Trump call them names?
Maybe President Trump can take a page from the democrat playbook - create twitter accounts for dead people and do it that way...
Post by: Anthony on February 15, 2021, 07:34:10 PM
Post by: bflynn on February 16, 2021, 03:11:33 AM
The Republican Party needs to be purged and fixed. That's all.
Agreed. Get rid of all those idiots who don’t think the right way
How exactly do you believe that kicking people out of the party will translate into winning? Fewer member equals fewer votes, right?
Post by: Little Joe on February 16, 2021, 05:55:22 AM
Yep, she and her fellow establishment republicans haven’t realized the majority of the party are done with them. The establishment believe that everyone will forget, and come back to the plantation.Well, that IS how the Democrats win.
Ain’t happening.
Even if it is a majority, it is a slim majority. So instead of 75 million loyalists, there might be 40 million and the Dems won't even have to campaign to beat the split R vote.
Post by: Lucifer on February 16, 2021, 06:10:39 AM
Well, that IS how the Democrats win.
Even if it is a majority, it is a slim majority. So instead of 75 million loyalists, there might be 40 million and the Dems won't even have to campaign to beat the split R vote.
What you and a few others keep missing is that the Trump voters were not all republicans. There were many walk away voters that formerly voted democrat that supported him, plus add in record numbers of black vote, Hispanic, etc.
The democrat party (DCP) has lost legions of voters due to their radicalization, and this was proven during 2020. And before you proclaim how they "won", they didn't, except for using massive fraud and cheating. The numbers don't support them aand even now with His Fraudulancy wrecking everything he touches even those that actually cast votes for Xiden and the Ho are having buyers remorse.
Run actual true and fair elections and you will see how far the democrat party have shrunk. And the establishment side of the republican party is shrinking as well. The establishment want and demand voters pick them "because". 2022 is going to see primarying on a scale never seen before.
Post by: bflynn on February 16, 2021, 08:29:46 AM
What you and a few others keep missing is that the Trump voters were not all republicans. There were many walk away voters that formerly voted democrat that supported him, plus add in record numbers of black vote, Hispanic, etc.
I think what Republicans miss is that those people voted independently because Democrats put up such a crappy candidate.
If Republicans are lucky, they will continue to do that. I'm not sure Trump holds the support he once did in the Republican party, I'm not sure he ever had that much support - he won the primary with minority margins because his opponents split the remainder of the vote, most people wanted someone else. The states he did the best in were blue states where Republicans are never going to win the electoral votes.
Post by: Anthony on February 16, 2021, 08:37:58 AM
Agreed. Get rid of all those idiots who don’t think the right way
How exactly do you believe that kicking people out of the party will translate into winning? Fewer member equals fewer votes, right?
Yeah let's split the Party and never win another election instead. Get rid of the Republicans that act like Democrats.
Post by: Lucifer on February 16, 2021, 08:50:15 AM
Yeah let's split the Party and never win another election instead. Get rid of the Republicans that act like Democrats.
What's being missed is the general population that is tired of the UniParty mentality. In reality there is very little difference between the democrats and republicans, and inside the beltway this is amplified.
This is why Trump appealed to so many, from both sides and the middle. Just look at the recent actions of the D and R establishment and it's easy to see why the American people are so turned off by them.
And the D and R establishment are terrified of someone like Trump, hence why they have gone rabid in their actions to cancel him. He and ones like him are a huge threat to the establishment power structure.
Post by: Rush on February 16, 2021, 09:11:16 AM
Post by: Little Joe on February 16, 2021, 09:33:20 AM
Both parties are fracturing. There is potential for the rise of a populist third party that could become a major player - or at least would be if we didn’t have a marxist dictatorship now rigging elections. How do you think the Republican Party got started?I hear no talk about splitting up the Democrat party. Instead, they talk about how many of the far left planks to include. But they all vote in lock step.
On the other hand, 14% of the Republicans voted to convict Trump and I'm sure more would have if they didn't need party money. The Republican party is fracturing and no matter how principled you think you are, if you divide the party, you willingly and intentionally hand the Dems full control.
But I do agree that this could be the time that a 3rd party might have a chance of winning, but it won't be by taking the hard cores from one party. A 3rd party could win if they draw from the middle in both directions and put up a personable, experienced candidate. I don't agree with what Nikki just did, but I do agree that it was a masterful move that could put her in the White House in 2024.
Post by: bflynn on February 16, 2021, 09:56:41 AM
But 55% of the general public don't even believe he should be allowed to run.
Let that sink in and then ask how can he win anything if 55% believe he shouldn't even be in the race.
Post by: Rush on February 16, 2021, 10:00:50 AM
I hear no talk about splitting up the Democrat party. Instead, they talk about how many of the far left planks to include. But they all vote in lock step.
On the other hand, 14% of the Republicans voted to convict Trump and I'm sure more would have if they didn't need party money. The Republican party is fracturing and no matter how principled you think you are, if you divide the party, you willingly and intentionally hand the Dems full control.
But I do agree that this could be the time that a 3rd party might have a chance of winning, but it won't be by taking the hard cores from one party. A 3rd party could win if they draw from the middle in both directions and put up a personable, experienced candidate. I don't agree with what Nikki just did, but I do agree that it was a masterful move that could put her in the White House in 2024.
Of course you hear no talk about splitting up the Democrat party. That would be right wing conspiracy theory that would be censored from the media and social platforms. It’s not going to formally split anyway if that’s what you mean, like the Republican Party might. It’s just that there are a lot of walkaways.
Post by: Rush on February 16, 2021, 10:01:30 AM
85% of Republicans want Trump to win.
But 55% of the general public don't even believe he should be allowed to run.
Let that sink in and then ask how can he win anything if 55% believe he shouldn't even be in the race.
What poll said that?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 16, 2021, 10:02:03 AM
85% of Republicans want Trump to win.
But 55% of the general public don't even believe he should be allowed to run.
Let that sink in and then ask how can he win anything if 55% believe he shouldn't even be in the race.
based on what?
Post by: bflynn on February 16, 2021, 11:17:24 AM
What poll said that?
Quinnipiac poll, yesterday.
They didn't slant this by polling only Democrats. Most Democrats want Trump to be disqualified. about half of independents want that. Together, they make up 55% of the poll that believe he should be disqualified.
Set aside that Congress can't do it and that courts would surely overturn any attempt to do it. Too many people ignore law in favor of their personal prejudice. So courts will overturn any attempt by Congress to invoke the 14th Amendment, but it won't matter to 55% right now.
So how can Trump win? Most Republicans want him to be the 2024 candidate, but the majority of non-Republicans won't vote for him. Scary.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 16, 2021, 11:44:10 AM
So how can Trump win? Most Republicans want him to be the 2024 candidate, but the majority of non-Republicans won't vote for him. Scary.
how?
Use the DNC playbook.
Post by: Rush on February 16, 2021, 12:53:26 PM
Post by: nddons on February 16, 2021, 02:00:11 PM
I don’t want to sound ageist but I don’t think Trump is necessarily the best person to run in 2024. There should be someone younger and without the baggage he now has that can carry on the same pro-America agenda. I don’t want a traditional conservative and Trump wasn’t one. I definitely don’t want an establishment Republican. I’m going to be on the lookout for the ideal wish list candidate.I agree completely. Trump would be the same age as Biden, and (1) that’s too old, and (2) guarantees that he’s a one-term president. Fuck that. We need a solid 8 years of conservative policies for me to be comfortable in my retirement in 5-6 years.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 16, 2021, 02:07:15 PM
At least that may help keep them from doing really evil things
Post by: Lucifer on February 16, 2021, 02:10:06 PM
But let's continue to have the liberals frothing at the mouth with TDS.
At least that may help keep them from doing really evil things
They will pick new targets.
Right now they are targeting 75+million Trump supporters, you know, the new "domestic terrorist". You'll be seeing more and more coming from them on this topic.
Post by: bflynn on February 17, 2021, 12:47:06 PM
I’m going to be on the lookout for the ideal wish list candidate.
I'm always on the lookout for the ideal wish list candidate.
I think Trump could have been that candidate, but he stuck his foot in his mouth and wound up getting in his own way. To some extent the Leftist media will make mountains out of every Republican molehill, but Trump was his own worst enemy.
Imagine Trump's attitude, but with charm. That's a combination that beats anything the angry Democrats have to offer.
Post by: Lucifer on February 17, 2021, 01:15:14 PM
I'm always on the lookout for the ideal wish list candidate.
I think Trump could have been that candidate, but he stuck his foot in his mouth and wound up getting in his own way. To some extent the Leftist media will make mountains out of every Republican molehill, but Trump was his own worst enemy.
Imagine Trump's attitude, but with charm. That's a combination that beats anything the angry Democrats have to offer.
Are you taking anything for your TDS?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 17, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 17, 2021, 02:11:38 PM
If that is TDS, it is certainly a very very mild case.
Varying degrees. But there are those that suffer a flare up when they hear Trump may run again.
Post by: bflynn on February 17, 2021, 03:56:55 PM
Do I like Trump? Not really, I don't respect him.
Does that mean it causes me to be deranged? Not at all. I'm rational about it and it doesn't cause me to go make stupid decisions like voting for Biden.
If there is no room in your world for anyone who doesn't 100% agree with you, then prepare to become a political party of 1. That's the only kind of party a fanatic can have.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 17, 2021, 04:07:41 PM
Varying degrees. But there are those that suffer a flare up when they hear Trump may run again.
Is there any criticism of Trump that you wouldn’t tag as being due to TDS?
Would it not be more to the point to address the nature of the criticisms than your opinion of the psychology of the criticizer?
Post by: Anthony on February 17, 2021, 04:09:03 PM
Is there any criticism of Trump that you wouldn’t tag as being due to TDS?
Would it not be more to the point to address the nature of the criticisms than your opinion of the psychology of the criticizer?
Please list your policy criticisms of Trump. Then we'll talk.
Sorry Lucifer. Couldn't help myself.
Post by: bflynn on February 17, 2021, 04:29:44 PM
Please list your policy criticisms of Trump. Then we'll talk.
He isn't very tuned in. Trump had the opportunity to get 25 billion for building the wall and to get it with agreement by the House. He refused to take yes for an answer and wound up scraping for funds, eventually reallocating 4 billion from a military deployment support fund.
That was a policy mistake, I believe that came about because of a personality flaw. He thought he had the negotiations in hand, but he overestimated his position and wound up eating crow.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 17, 2021, 04:34:20 PM
The attitude calling me out for TDS is the same idiotic cancel culture behavior by the Left.I would ask you to read this article and watch the video and provide some commentary as to what you see.
Do I like Trump? Not really, I don't respect him.
Does that mean it causes me to be deranged? Not at all. I'm rational about it and it doesn't cause me to go make stupid decisions like voting for Biden.
If there is no room in your world for anyone who doesn't 100% agree with you, then prepare to become a political party of 1. That's the only kind of party a fanatic can have.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/exclusive-tcf-center-election-fraud-newly-recovered-video-shows-late-night-deliveries-tens-thousands-illegal-ballots-michigan-arena/
Thanks
Post by: Number7 on February 17, 2021, 04:42:59 PM
I would ask you to read this article and watch the video and provide some commentary as to what you see.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/exclusive-tcf-center-election-fraud-newly-recovered-video-shows-late-night-deliveries-tens-thousands-illegal-ballots-michigan-arena/
Thanks
The liberal religion has decreed that there was no fraud, so any proof offered must be racist...
Post by: bflynn on February 17, 2021, 04:54:00 PM
I would ask you to read this article and watch the video and provide some commentary as to what you see.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/exclusive-tcf-center-election-fraud-newly-recovered-video-shows-late-night-deliveries-tens-thousands-illegal-ballots-michigan-arena/
I've previously watched the video. I honestly don't know what it's showing, I see election trucks showing up and dropping off boxes. Is it 100,000 fraudulent ballots or is it 100,000 ballots being delivered from a different site? Can you honestly state that you know just from watching the video?
What does this have to do with Trump's policies?
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 17, 2021, 05:32:38 PM
Please list your policy criticisms of Trump. Then we'll talk.
Sorry Lucifer. Couldn't help myself.
Spent money like a drunken sailor.
Backed ‘red flag’ gun control laws.
Banned bump stocks by executive order.
Appointed Jeff Sessions as attorney general.
Named John Bolton as national security advisor.
Post by: Anthony on February 17, 2021, 05:49:52 PM
Spent money like a drunken sailor.
Backed ‘red flag’ gun control laws.
Banned bump stocks by executive order.
Appointed Jeff Sessions as attorney general.
Named John Bolton as national security advisor.
None significant except the budget which was presented to him by CONGRESS.
Post by: Little Joe on February 17, 2021, 05:57:55 PM
Please list your policy criticisms of Trump. Then we'll talk.I had very few policy criticisms of Trump.
Sorry Lucifer. Couldn't help myself.
I just wish he wasn't such an asshole. Even just a little maturity and statesmanship and he would have been even better than Ronnie.
Post by: Rush on February 17, 2021, 07:06:12 PM
Post by: Number7 on February 17, 2021, 08:15:23 PM
I had very few policy criticisms of Trump.
I just wish he wasn't such an asshole. Even just a little maturity and statesmanship and he would have been even better than Ronnie.
Of course he wasn't a corrupt pig like pelosi, or a slime ball like schumer., so he must have been really awful.
Imagine a politician actually making promises and then keeping them!
Oh the humanity...
Post by: Little Joe on February 18, 2021, 06:03:07 AM
Of course he wasn't a corrupt pig like pelosi, or a slime ball like schumer.,True. That's one reason liked him.
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so he must have been really awful.That makes no sense and nobody said that.
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Imagine a politician actually making promises and then keeping them!Again, that's another reason I liked him.
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Oh the humanity...Again, that's stupid.
There was a lot to like about Trump. But there was also a lot not to like. Overall, I liked his policies and therefore voted for him. I like Biden's personality way better than I liked his policies (or Trump's personality) but while I don't think personality or likability should be the most important factor, many people do and that is a big part of why Trump lost.
But it is also easy for me to see why so many people didn't like Trump and didn't vote for him.
Post by: Lucifer on February 18, 2021, 06:44:14 AM
Second, you “like” Biden’s personality? Seriously? He, unlike Trump made one racist remark after another. He also is a compulsive liar and has been caught over and over lying and plagiarizing. He’s also a pervert, just ask his previous SS detail. Also, during his campaign when he crawled out of the basement he openly attacked people that questioned him.
But you didn’t see that side of Xiden, because the media kept it hid.
And speaking of his personality, want to talk about his criminal family and his relationship?
Geez, that’s not much to aspire to if you think Xiden has a better personality.
Post by: Little Joe on February 18, 2021, 07:11:16 AM
Trump lost due to a rigged and corrupt election. Remove the outright vote theft, the vote fraud and the corruption of various state governments and provide the real vote totals and Trump won an historic landslide.There were lots of reasons he lost. You point out some of them. He wasn't able to control those things but the election was still close. He could have controlled some of his own words and actions that caused him to lose.
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Second, you “like” Biden’s personality? Seriously?That's not what I said. That is what you chose to read. I said I like his personality better than I liked his policies (which is a very extremely low bar) or Trump's personality. Trump is an asshole with good ideas.
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But you didn’t see that side of Xiden, because the media kept it hid.How could I possibly not see that side of him when I regularly read posts right here. YOU are the one that only listens or hears what you want to hear.
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And speaking of his personality, want to talk about his criminal family and his relationship?Did you fail to see where I voted for Trump?
Geez, that’s not much to aspire to if you think Xiden has a better personality.
But gain, that was something Trump couldn't control. If Trump wasn't such an obnoxious asshole he would have won easily. Trump lost the election on his own. All of your excuses, even if they are true, don't change that fact.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 18, 2021, 07:24:45 AM
There were lots of reasons he lost. You point out some of them. He wasn't able to control those things but the election was still close. He could have controlled some of his own words and actions that caused him to lose.
Contributed but was not the root cause.
Post by: Little Joe on February 18, 2021, 07:30:16 AM
Contributed but was not the root cause.Obviously. That is why I said there were lots of reasons. There was no single root cause.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 18, 2021, 07:36:53 AM
I've previously watched the video. I honestly don't know what it's showing, I see election trucks showing up and dropping off boxes. Is it 100,000 fraudulent ballots or is it 100,000 ballots being delivered from a different site? Can you honestly state that you know just from watching the video?That's the issue, you and other are just willing to dismiss this off hand with no care about knowing what was actually happening. There was no chain of custody, those were not sealed boxes being transported at 3:00 am. Why were they showing up at 3:00 in the morning and where did they come from? All kinds of questions come to mind.
What does this have to do with Trump's policies?
Post by: Rush on February 18, 2021, 08:15:11 AM
Trump being polite and having a nice personality would have done absolutely nothing to stop the Dems from rigging the election to get rid of him because his asshole personality wasn’t what they hated, what they hate and fear is his eroding their power, draining the swamp, reversing their policies, and threatening their growing consolidation of absolute power.
Post by: Little Joe on February 18, 2021, 10:48:31 AM
Trump won by a landslide, not narrow margins. Biden is the one that squeaked by with narrow margins once the cheaters saw exactly how many votes they needed to flip or pad and it only happened in key urban precincts. Trump’s “asshole” personality probably got him as many votes as it lost him because finally someone called a spade a spade, didn’t mince words, didn’t pull punches when addressing parties like the lying fake news media, it’s about time someone spoke as aggressively to these people as they have been doing to us for years! It was quite refreshing to finally have someone turn “asshole” in defense of us instead of attacking us.So you were good with Trump saying Carly Fiorina couldn't win with that face? Calling a fellow conservative ugly is calling a spade a spade? She might not have been a spring chicken, but she wasn't ugly. That is just one example.
Trump being polite and having a nice personality would have done absolutely nothing to stop the Dems from rigging the election to get rid of him because his asshole personality wasn’t what they hated, what they hate and fear is his eroding their power, draining the swamp, reversing their policies, and threatening their growing consolidation of absolute power.
Don't get me wrong. I think he was a great President and I think Biden is a horrible President. I just think that a little more statesmanship would have kept him in office.
By the way, one of the things that set me off on this rant was Lucifer saying BFlynn had TDS after a very mild (but true) criticism of Trump. To me that is akin to calling people "racist" when they say something like "all lives matter". You cheapen the word and it makes you sound ridiculous.
Post by: Lucifer on February 18, 2021, 11:20:57 AM
So you were good with Trump saying Carly Fiorina couldn't win with that face? Calling a fellow conservative ugly is calling a spade a spade? She might not have been a spring chicken, but she wasn't ugly. That is just one example.
Guess you never read what others were saying about Trump. I don't give a shit about Fiorina as she was an abysmal failure and wanted to get in with the establishment in DC.
Don't get me wrong. I think he was a great President and I think Biden is a horrible President. I just think that a little more statesmanship would have kept him in office.
He could have been the beacon of statesmanship, but it was his policies that the DCP hated. They used the gruff side of Trump to try to separate him from his supporters. In reality Xiden is worse when it comes to his personality. 47 years of video clips and recordings prove that out over and over.
Trump was a get it done type person, and didn't play the stupid establishment games. He was like a doctor with a bad bedside manner that tells the patient he's fat, eats a lousy diet and doesn't take care of himself. Yea, hard to hear, but he's right.
Notice something else that happened over the Trump presidency? No new wars. No endless bottomless pit money hole shit hole country "conflicts" that we send our troops to get slaughtered so big military industrial corporations get rich. Yet, also during this time, the anti-war left tried every conceivable way to get us into a war. What happened? How did that flip?
By the way, one of the things that set me off on this rant was Lucifer saying BFlynn had TDS after a very mild (but true) criticism of Trump. To me that is akin to calling people "racist" when they say something like "all lives matter". You cheapen the word and it makes you sound ridiculous.
Funny thing about how one side wants to set rules of engagement, but when the other side uses those same rules it infuriates the other. That free speech thing sucks when others use it huh?
And my TDS comment? Yep, I stand by that. The guy is out of office, but yet the mere mention of a comeback in a future election triggers the TDS. Then we get told how "polls" show there is no support, yada yada yada. This is also why the leftist are still twitching and foaming at the mouth of the mention of Trump.
But hey, maybe you guys will get lucky, get Jeb! or a Nikki Haley, or hell even maybe Mitt will give it a run. That way you can have a "statesman" (or stateswoman) in the WH selling you out, but you will feel good about it.
Post by: Number7 on February 18, 2021, 11:22:21 AM
She was another romney and tried to tear down Trump to gain a handful of voes to go to with her rounding error of support.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 18, 2021, 11:37:00 AM
In reality Xiden is worse when it comes to his personality. 47 years of video clips and recordings prove that out over and over.
Did you catch his town hall the other night? Where he basically said the reason blacks and hispanics aren't getting shots is because they don't know how to use the internet?
Good breakdown of the meeting:
Post by: Username on February 18, 2021, 11:38:51 AM
As president, I admired his ability to implement the conservative ideals despite opposition, to keep his head up as everyone was attacking him, and where he wants the country to go. Do I want to chat with him over cocktails? No. I really wish he had been a little more restrained on Twitter (but his trolling of democrats was brilliant!). But I didn't vote for a personality. I voted for the USA's CEO who can lead the country where I think it should go.
Compare that with Democrats. All they care about is personality. Obama is a nice guy, and I would enjoy talking to him. But his policies are shit. Totally wrong direction for the country. Biden, sure. Weird strange Uncle Joe. Maybe fun to sit on a dock with and go fishing. His policies are also shit.
I don't have to like the President personally. I really don't care. It all comes down to what the President does. And for that, Trump rules.
Post by: Anthony on February 18, 2021, 11:50:56 AM
Post by: Rush on February 18, 2021, 11:53:25 AM
So you were good with Trump saying Carly Fiorina couldn't win with that face? Calling a fellow conservative ugly is calling a spade a spade? She might not have been a spring chicken, but she wasn't ugly. That is just one example.
Don't get me wrong. I think he was a great President and I think Biden is a horrible President. I just think that a little more statesmanship would have kept him in office.
By the way, one of the things that set me off on this rant was Lucifer saying BFlynn had TDS after a very mild (but true) criticism of Trump. To me that is akin to calling people "racist" when they say something like "all lives matter". You cheapen the word and it makes you sound ridiculous.
I didn’t have an opinion about what he said about Carly but I sure love what he said about Rosie O’Donnnell. ;D
I know you’re on Trump’s side vs the lefties, we’re good. But I think you’re wrong that more statesmanship would have kept him in office. The Dems plotted from 2016 to get him out of office and to fix it so if other methods in the meantime failed, he’d certainly “lose” the 2020 election. They didn’t do that because he was mean to Carly, and threw insults right and left, they did it because he derailed their plan to crown Hillary.
Post by: Little Joe on February 18, 2021, 12:38:44 PM
I didn’t have an opinion about what he said about Carly but I sure love what he said about Rosie O’Donnnell. ;DI don't think many people voted for him because of his abusive manner. They excused it because they liked his policies, and they have have even cheered him for it, but if they didn't like his policies, they wouldn't have voted for him.
I know you’re on Trump’s side vs the lefties, we’re good. But I think you’re wrong that more statesmanship would have kept him in office. The Dems plotted from 2016 to get him out of office and to fix it so if other methods in the meantime failed, he’d certainly “lose” the 2020 election. They didn’t do that because he was mean to Carly, and threw insults right and left, they did it because he derailed their plan to crown Hillary.
On the other hand, I do believe that a lot of people did NOT vote for him largely because of his name calling and his tendency to throw even friends under the bus if they disagreed with him. Witness Pence. Pence is not a coward.
I think the net result of his immature name calling and abusiveness and bullying were the cause of his loss.
I know I am in the minority on this board, but that's my story and I"m sticking with it.
nuff said (on my part, you guys can ream me all you want).
Post by: Lucifer on February 18, 2021, 12:51:10 PM
Witness Pence. Pence is not a coward.
Pence is establishment. Pence followed what the establishment
Pence would have a difficult time getting elected to a local school board now. His political career is over.
But the establishment will take care of him, $200K "speaking fees" and million dollar/year "board positions".
Post by: Rush on February 18, 2021, 01:25:50 PM
I don't think many people voted for him because of his abusive manner. They excused it because they liked his policies, and they have have even cheered him for it, but if they didn't like his policies, they wouldn't have voted for him.
On the other hand, I do believe that a lot of people did NOT vote for him largely because of his name calling and his tendency to throw even friends under the bus if they disagreed with him. Witness Pence. Pence is not a coward.
I think the net result of his immature name calling and abusiveness and bullying were the cause of his loss.
I know I am in the minority on this board, but that's my story and I"m sticking with it.
nuff said (on my part, you guys can ream me all you want).
Patrick I can’t remember his last name said Trump isn’t like that in person to his friends. He’s actually very pleasant. I don’t believe for a second Pence betrayed him because of his outrageous public (and well deserved in most cases) trashing of people.
Do you believe for one second Pence wasn’t getting death threats to him and his family? I don’t. Plus what Luci said about being taken care of. Carrot and stick. They did it to the SC justices too.
Post by: bflynn on February 18, 2021, 01:33:37 PM
Calling a fellow conservative ugly is calling a spade a spade?
I dunno, is she ugly?
Trump had the power to win the election without contest. If you look at the marginal votes, it was fewer than 30,000 voters that would have turned 4 states that together would have put him at 270. I don't remember the states, but I think it was AZ, NE, NV and GA - the total margin in those 4 states was under 60,000.
Would he have gotten 30,000 more voters to side with him if he had turned his twitter acct over to a professional communications expert? The world will never know.
Post by: bflynn on February 18, 2021, 01:35:33 PM
I don’t believe for a second Pence betrayed him because of his outrageous public
I agree. Pence senses that Trump will not be the 2024 candidate and is creating space. Both Pence and Haley have already unofficially kicked off their 2024 campaigns.
Post by: Lucifer on February 18, 2021, 01:46:38 PM
I agree. Pence senses that Trump will not be the 2024 candidate and is creating space. Both Pence and Haley have already unofficially kicked off their 2024 campaigns.
That are DOA.
Post by: Rush on February 18, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
I dunno, is she ugly?
Trump had the power to win the election without contest. If you look at the marginal votes, it was fewer than 30,000 voters that would have turned 4 states that together would have put him at 270. I don't remember the states, but I think it was AZ, NE, NV and GA - the total margin in those 4 states was under 60,000.
Would he have gotten 30,000 more voters to side with him if he had turned his twitter acct over to a professional communications expert? The world will never know.
You still don’t get it and never will. If he’d gotten 30,000 more votes, they would have “found” 35,000 more for Biden.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 18, 2021, 02:22:19 PM
You still don’t get it and never will. If he’d gotten 30,000 more votes, they would have “found” 35,000 more for Biden.
You beat me to it
Post by: Number7 on February 18, 2021, 02:54:52 PM
You still don’t get it and never will. If he’d gotten 30,000 more votes, they would have “found” 35,000 more for Biden.
establishment types will NEVER understand this.
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2021, 07:22:01 AM
You still don’t get it and never will. If he’d gotten 30,000 more votes, they would have “found” 35,000 more for Biden.
I have to agree that it’s likely I never will because nobody can show me sufficient evidence. The last was about the trucks video is something that everyone is convinced is sinister, but I just see a truck delivering boxes. We don’t know what was in them despite allegations that they must have been fake ballots.
I do agree Democrats did things that benefitted them, such as changing rules around mail in ballots. Those things certainly increased the Democrat turnout. I don’t understand why those things were permitted to be done in contravention of the law, but someone decided they were ok. But they were done openly, not in a secret way. Courts OKed them and I’ll be honest that I have not read all the decisions to see their explanation why. I’m mostly working 10-12 hour days right now and I tend not to want to dive into extra analysis over the weekend.
As far as fraudulent ballots, I haven’t see the allegations be proven. I’m waiting for it.
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2021, 07:25:36 AM
establishment types will NEVER understand this.
Neither will rational people. Show me the evidence that proves it and I will be right there demanding a fix, as will a lot of people.
You lit the match, but you’ve been unable find the fuse.
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2021, 07:43:04 AM
So you were good with Trump saying Carly Fiorina couldn't win with that face? Calling a fellow conservative ugly is calling a spade a spade? She might not have been a spring chicken, but she wasn't ugly. That is just one example.Bull fucking shit. You are so full of it Joe. Those are things that men’s wives might say during afternoon tea at the tennis club. Not things that men would say.
Don't get me wrong. I think he was a great President and I think Biden is a horrible President. I just think that a little more statesmanship would have kept him in office.
By the way, one of the things that set me off on this rant was Lucifer saying BFlynn had TDS after a very mild (but true) criticism of Trump. To me that is akin to calling people "racist" when they say something like "all lives matter". You cheapen the word and it makes you sound ridiculous.
You are like the guys who are celebrating Rush’s death, who pull out quotes of things he said like about feminism and are saying “See! See!”. People need to put in their big boy pants.
I’m so fucking sick of people demanding apologies for hurt feelings, or even voting for a man currently destroying the country because Trump used the word “Pussy” and hurt people’s feelings.
I’ll bet you held protests over the movie “Blazing Saddles” too.
Rush is right. Trump’s fighting spirit, including being rough around the edges, likely gained him more votes than he lost.
Post by: Lucifer on February 19, 2021, 07:48:55 AM
Then there are answers, which results in further investigations to confirm or deny answers. So far in the election fraud of 2020 we have reams and reams of evidence, but yet no one seems to want the questions asked, or if the questions are asked they are told "Doesn't matter", "No standing", "Laches" or "conspiracy theory".
And yet we have the side that benefited from the fraud doing everything in their power to cover up the fraud, cancel anyone who speaks of the fraud, employ censorship that would make the CCP proud, and even producing false flag events to get attention away from the fraud. Even the current administration is so afraid of the fraud being discussed they have turned DC into a militarized zone indefinitely, which begs the question "why?" and is answered with "domestic terrorist!"
Had this been the other way around, MSM would be doing investigative journalism 24/7, the DCP would be appointing special prosecutors and holding hearings after hearings and demanding the President resign. You would also see court trials in every state with the evidence being published on page 1 of every news service.
Yet those who wanted a desired result got it, even if it meant destroying our election integrity to do so.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 19, 2021, 07:50:07 AM
I have to agree that it’s likely I never will because nobody can show me sufficient evidence.
None so blind as those that refuse to see.
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2021, 08:41:47 AM
None so blind as those that refuse to see.
And nothing so frustrating as those who cannot prove what they insist other must believe. It didn't work for Democrats on global warming, it doesn't work here. Actually it works less because Democrats at least can show evidence that CO2 raises temperature. They are closer to proving global warming (but still far way) than you are to proving election fraud. Of course, they've been working on it for 50 years and they have only 1 step proved.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 19, 2021, 08:50:45 AM
And nothing so frustrating as those who cannot prove what they insist other must believe. It didn't work for Democrats on global warming, it doesn't work here. Actually it works less because Democrats at least can show evidence that CO2 raises temperature. They are closer to proving global warming (but still far way) than you are to proving election fraud. Of course, they've been working on it for 50 years and they have only 1 step proved.
actually, what is far more frustrating are those that establish proof criteria that are beyond any reason. Far beyond. And then wallow in circular "logic"
If you applied your election fraud proof expectations/criteria to anything else, nothing would be proven to your satisfaction. Nothing.
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2021, 08:51:06 AM
You are misreading the room.
Can you people fucking give us 5 minutes, maybe even 6 months, to lick our wounds before criticizing Trump and trying to separate Trump’s supporters from the man?
75 million of us felt like the election was stolen. It was stolen by the “system” with which you have helped create, by accepting the cheating by the left as business as usual. Remember when the biggest argument against voter ID was because poor, black grandma couldn’t get to the DMV to get her voter ID card, so we shouldn’t demand that people identify themselves before voting, so we didn’t “disenfranchise” poor black grandma? That was fucking child’s play compared to how the voting laws were broken in the months leading up to and after the November election.
It’s TDS to continue to pile on. Sorry, but it is. He lost, he’s golfing at Mar A Lago, but you can’t help yourself. Stop being a dick.
Stop trying to separate Trump’s supporters from Trump. It won’t work. You will fail. Trump supporters feel like how a black slave must have felt when they could legally walk away from the plantation without being pursued by dogs after the emancipation proclamation and the 13th Amendment. That’s how strongly we feel about our political freedom. FINALLY, someone was talking for us. Defending us. Speaking our language. Putting US first for once.
For any Republican politician, you need to make it through a primary before you make it to a general election. If you think you can win a primary without Trump’s supporters, you will get destroyed.
If you think talking to the Politico or other left wing media criticizing Trump will win you votes, I’ve got news for you. It won’t. The left celebrates when Republicans criticize Trump, conservatism, and fellow Republicans. They sell advertising on it.
But I’d you think you will be given quarter by the left if you ever make it to the general election, you are a fucking idiot. You have the wrong letter on your jersey. You will NEVER make the left, or the middle for that matter, happy enough to award you with a win.
Like I said, you are misreading the room, to your own demise. You will fail.
Post by: Little Joe on February 19, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Ok, listen up. This is for the “moderates,” “center-right,” and “independents” who feel the need to criticize Trump in furtherance of your own political objectives or in seeking justification of your feelings. This includes Nikki Haley.You too are misreading the room. You blame anyone that isn't 100% behind you and Trump as having TDS.
You are misreading the room.
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Can you people fucking give us 5 minutes, maybe even 6 months, to lick our wounds before criticizing Trump and trying to separate Trump’s supporters from the man?If I had said that I would have been called a liberal snowflake that can't take rejection.
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Stop trying to separate Trump’s supporters from Trump.Here is where you are misreading the room. I AM a Trump supporter. But that doesn't mean I don't see the flaws that his enemies exploited. But any criticism is deemed TDS. It isn't. It is wishing he had presented himself better. I'm disappointed that many Republicans didn't vote for him because of his bullying manner. I overlooked it and voted for him anyway. But that doesn't seem to matter.
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. When you snowflakes stop licking your wounds, you need to figure out what the real problem is and what you can do to fix it besides whining and complaining and saying you were robbed and cheated.
Post by: Lucifer on February 19, 2021, 11:00:11 AM
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. When you snowflakes stop licking your wounds, you need to figure out what the real problem is and what you can do to fix it besides whining and complaining and saying you were robbed and cheated.
Absolutely clueless.
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2021, 11:28:21 AM
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. When you snowflakes stop licking your wounds, you need to figure out what the real problem is and what you can do to fix it besides whining and complaining and saying you were robbed and cheated.
The real problem is they cheated. You are saying we should shut up about that? Just move on?
(For the record, I don’t think you have TDS.)
Post by: Number7 on February 19, 2021, 11:31:48 AM
Hate drives them but not just because of our intellectual differences.
President Trump disrupted the never ending bribe machine which is a huge part of the liberal hatred of us and the real President.
When they pretend their bullshit, remember it is all about money and their feeling of entitlement.
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
You too are misreading the room. You blame anyone that isn't 100% behind you and Trump as having TDS.So what is the real problem that you mention in your last paragraph, and what should we have done to “fix” it?
If I had said that I would have been called a liberal snowflake that can't take rejection.
Here is where you are misreading the room. I AM a Trump supporter. But that doesn't mean I don't see the flaws that his enemies exploited. But any criticism is deemed TDS. It isn't. It is wishing he had presented himself better. I'm disappointed that many Republicans didn't vote for him because of his bullying manner. I overlooked it and voted for him anyway. But that doesn't seem to matter.
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. When you snowflakes stop licking your wounds, you need to figure out what the real problem is and what you can do to fix it besides whining and complaining and saying you were robbed and cheated.
Any “Republicans” who didn’t vote for Trump because of his “bullying manner” was not a Republican, and was not a conservative, and probably would never have voted for a conservative no matter what. You’re being lied to. Not when they knew that the alternative would work to eviscerate the second amendment, turn over our borders to illegals, give China a foothold in our power grid, and end women’s sports, among other damaging moves.
Post by: Little Joe on February 19, 2021, 11:42:03 AM
The real problem is they cheated. You are saying we should shut up about that? Just move on?QuoteThat is only one of the problems. And NO, we shouldn't just shut up and move on. But we should move on. We need to find out what we can do better next time, and I don't mean learn to cheat better like the Dems.
SCOTUS is going to hear a few cases soon. If nothing else, that will allow the Trump team to put up their evidence and maybe force reforms in the process for the next election.Quote(For the record, I don’t think you have TDS.)Thank you for that. I still think Trump was the second best President ever. Reagan was best in large part because he could stand up to the opposition without looking like a childish bully. If Trump had half the personal charisma of Reagan he could beat anyone, even with the cheating.
Post by: Little Joe on February 19, 2021, 11:49:52 AM
So what is the real problem that you mention in your last paragraph, and what should we have done to “fix” it?[/quote]
I had a big response typed up but deleted it. You are too butt-hurt to listen to anybody else's opinion. Maybe after you have had time to lick your wounds you will be willing to discuss what we can do better next time.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 19, 2021, 12:29:15 PM
Any “Republicans” who didn’t vote for Trump because of his “bullying manner” was not a Republican, and was not a conservative, and probably would never have voted for a conservative no matter what.
compare and contrast that to what gropin' joe said about blacks not voting democrat.
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2021, 12:44:41 PM
actually, what is far more frustrating are those that establish proof criteria that are beyond any reason.
Because we should run our legal system on quasi proof?
Example of what I hear from the right - The trucks delivered boxes and we KNOW the boxes contained illegal ballots, so Biden really lost and you have to put Trump in office instead.
Did I just misstate the argument? Can you fill in any holes? Tell me what I didn't say because the pieces of that sentence don't hold up.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 19, 2021, 12:58:33 PM
Because we should run our legal system on quasi proof?Personally, the argument is that we have seen these things happen with no explanation of them. Please guide me to the explanation of what those truck were delivering at 3:00 am.
Example of what I hear from the right - The trucks delivered boxes and we KNOW the boxes contained illegal ballots, so Biden really lost and you have to put Trump in office instead.
Did I just misstate the argument? Can you fill in any holes? Tell me what I didn't say because the pieces of that sentence don't hold up.
Please guide me to the explanation of why they were not in sealed containers and where the chain of custody is for those boxes.
You appear to say, "yeah some shit happened that I don't have an explanation for but that's fine, all is good".
Some of us are not wanting to accept that, sorry. Have you watched part 2 of Mike Lindell's Absolute Proof?
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2021, 01:02:21 PM
So what is the real problem that you mention in your last paragraph, and what should we have done to “fix” it?
Any “Republicans” who didn’t vote for Trump because of his “bullying manner” was not a Republican, and was not a conservative, and probably would never have voted for a conservative no matter what. You’re being lied to. Not when they knew that the alternative would work to eviscerate the second amendment, turn over our borders to illegals, give China a foothold in our power grid, and end women’s sports, among other damaging moves.
There are a lot of people who really have no idea what they are because they pay no attention to issues, and vote for superficial reasons. Some have the excuse that they are young, some are old and demented, some lack the intellectual capacity to grasp issues deeply and some just don’t care to bother. Little Joe is right, I’m sure some didn’t vote for Trump because they were turned off by something they heard him say, particularly since MSM twists everything out of context. I just don’t agree that it would have made any difference.
My mom used to be thoughtful and with the exception of Kennedy I think she usually voted Republican because she is pro-life, but in 2016 she talked a lot about voting for Hillary “because women have more common sense”. That’s not deep thinking. She voted for Trump in the primary. I forget what she said about who she voted for in the end, if she told anyone. But she was very anxious and confused throughout.
2020 was even worse. She was completely confused and her only source of news being the local liberal rag caused her a lot of cognitive dissonance. My sister and I made the decision to not let her vote. We told her her voting days were done. She was fine with it, it seemed to take a load off her, she said “good, I don’t want to anyway.” It would not have been ethical to take her to vote or fill out a mail in. She would have asked us to tell her who to vote for. We could not say “it’s your decision” because she can make no decisions anymore, we decide everything for her, down to what to eat and when to go to bed, because her brain just isn’t functioning. So we would have had to say, “vote for Trump,” just to get the chore done, and that would be just as bad cheating as I know all the Democrats did.
It makes me sick to know how many old people just like her had their votes filled out by cheaters.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 19, 2021, 01:03:32 PM
Post by: Little Joe on February 19, 2021, 01:29:45 PM
Where did the 12M new votes come from that Trump got in 2020?Obviously he stole them.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 19, 2021, 01:30:09 PM
Because we should run our legal system on quasi proof?
non sequitur
Example of what I hear from the right - The trucks delivered boxes and we KNOW the boxes contained illegal ballots, so Biden really lost and you have to put Trump in office instead.
Did I just misstate the argument?
yes.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 19, 2021, 01:55:09 PM
Personally, the argument is that we have seen these things happen with no explanation of them. Please guide me to the explanation of what those truck were delivering at 3:00 am.
Please guide me to the explanation of why they were not in sealed containers and where the chain of custody is for those boxes.
You appear to say, "yeah some shit happened that I don't have an explanation for but that's fine, all is good".
Some of us are not wanting to accept that, sorry. Have you watched part 2 of Mike Lindell's Absolute Proof?
Bump for bflynn.
Post by: Number7 on February 19, 2021, 01:55:26 PM
Because we should run our legal system on quasi proof?
Example of what I hear from the right - The trucks delivered boxes and we KNOW the boxes contained illegal ballots, so Biden really lost and you have to put Trump in office instead.
Did I just misstate the argument? Can you fill in any holes? Tell me what I didn't say because the pieces of that sentence don't hold up.
Your bullshit, "I have my fingers in my ears and hands over my eyes, cowardice in the face of massive vote fraud," isn't fooling anyone.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 19, 2021, 01:59:04 PM
https://michaeljlindell.com/
Post by: Number7 on February 19, 2021, 02:42:08 PM
Third video on this home page.
https://michaeljlindell.com/
"Everybody" knows there is no evidence of fraud..... :o
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2021, 03:02:01 PM
yes.
Well there you go. I’m not ignoring it, I just do t have all the information. What am I missing?
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2021, 04:26:36 PM
There are a lot of people who really have no idea what they are because they pay no attention to issues, and vote for superficial reasons. Some have the excuse that they are young, some are old and demented, some lack the intellectual capacity to grasp issues deeply and some just don’t care to bother. Little Joe is right, I’m sure some didn’t vote for Trump because they were turned off by something they heard him say, particularly since MSM twists everything out of context. I just don’t agree that it would have made any difference.There was widespread nursing home voting fraud in Wisconsin. I hope it didn’t happen with your mom.
My mom used to be thoughtful and with the exception of Kennedy I think she usually voted Republican because she is pro-life, but in 2016 she talked a lot about voting for Hillary “because women have more common sense”. That’s not deep thinking. She voted for Trump in the primary. I forget what she said about who she voted for in the end, if she told anyone. But she was very anxious and confused throughout.
2020 was even worse. She was completely confused and her only source of news being the local liberal rag caused her a lot of cognitive dissonance. My sister and I made the decision to not let her vote. We told her her voting days were done. She was fine with it, it seemed to take a load off her, she said “good, I don’t want to anyway.” It would not have been ethical to take her to vote or fill out a mail in. She would have asked us to tell her who to vote for. We could not say “it’s your decision” because she can make no decisions anymore, we decide everything for her, down to what to eat and when to go to bed, because her brain just isn’t functioning. So we would have had to say, “vote for Trump,” just to get the chore done, and that would be just as bad cheating as I know all the Democrats did.
It makes me sick to know how many old people just like her had their votes filled out by cheaters.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-11-13-election-observer-explains-how-nursing-home-vote-fraud-works/
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2021, 04:37:03 PM
Because we should run our legal system on quasi proof?Yes, you massively misstated this. You are either intentionally trolling or just being intentionally ignorant of the facts.
Example of what I hear from the right - The trucks delivered boxes and we KNOW the boxes contained illegal ballots, so Biden really lost and you have to put Trump in office instead.
Did I just misstate the argument? Can you fill in any holes? Tell me what I didn't say because the pieces of that sentence don't hold up.
We are not saying “you have to put Trump in office instead.” That ship has sailed. What we ARE saying is that given an extraordinary amount of substantial evidence that problems occurred, problems that could have swayed the election, these accusations should be investigated, and not swept under the rug, which is PRECISELY what courts across the country have done.
In Wisconsin alone, courts said initially that Trump republicans couldn’t challenge voting law changes made by an unelected commission absent proof of fraud, and then AFTER the election, Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Hagedorn, who ran as a constructionist but has ruled as an activist, said Trump was too late to challenge the results.
Heads I win, tails you lose. Is that justice?
People like you are saying no convictions = no proof. As if convictions could happen within 60 days of the election.
We are saying investigate, investigate, investigate. You are saying STOP IT, NO PROOF.
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2021, 06:33:19 PM
Third video on this home page.
https://michaeljlindell.com/
TLDR: The video raises questions but doesn't answer them. It does not provide a certain answer (aka proof) of what happened one way or another. It merely presents a lot of suspicious circumstances.
I took time and looked at the video.
1) statistical anomalies are indicative of something questionable, but statistics doesn't prove anything.
1a) The graphs (based on NYT data?) that shows the Biden spike, also shows two earlier spikes for Trump and one previous one for Biden. What happened at that time? Do you know? What is the concern over why the New York Times got something wrong? They aren't an official source.
If you believe that the New York Time's data was indicative of a problem then it tells you when to look doesn't it? So what counties were posted at that time and what do their ballots look like? What does a poll of voters in that area indicate? Honestly, there are districts in Michigan where it is entirely plausible that only 5% of the voters support Trump.
Suppose you found that information out. You were able to get the ballots and had them dusted for fingerprints. Among them, you were able to find sets of fingerprints which don't belong to anyone who legitimately handled the ballots. Now, if every ballot has a unique fingerprint on it, that's great. But if there's a set of finger prints that are on a dozen or more ballots, then you've got proof. But you don't have proof, you have accusations. Proof is scientific certainty and that's the standard you have to show, not probability, not insinuation.
2) If ballots were introduced and if ballots were scanned multiple times, then there should have been a discrepancy in the vote count, shouldn't there have been?
3) I agree dominion systems are insecure and should not be used.
4) Officials who violated voting law should be prosecuted. But in most states, there are no standards as to what elections must do in order to be certified.
5) Affidavits are not solid evidence. I've said this before. I can get an affidavit that says Abraham Lincoln fired George Washington as his VP. Merely having an affidavit does not make it true.
These aren't inconsequential, they don't prove fraud. They DO prove that elections were not secure and if I were secretary of state and seeing this, I would have refused to certify the election. But they didn't ask me.
Ultimately, the certification is left to one individual who frankly probably has no clue if the election is certifiable.
This video shows opportunity for fraud. There is smoke but no fire.
What would it take? I'm not sure. I think if they found those thousands of machine printed ballots that had no creases, that would be evidence of fraud. If they had captured a network trace that showed traffic to/from the machines...but did they know to look?
Bottom line, election systems are not secure and in some states are actively insecure. I absolutely agree with that and I'm so angry about it that I've reached out to my local officials and started a conversation with them about that topic. I believe every state should audit their election processes. There's no way to undo the election, but officials who violated the law should be fined and/or sent to jail. They certainly should never be allowed to work an election again. That includes everyone up the line, including elected and appointed officials like a secretary of state.
Bottom line - yes, the things in the video create suspicion. But they are not proof.
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2021, 06:40:50 PM
We are not saying “you have to put Trump in office instead.” That ship has sailed. What we ARE saying is that given an extraordinary amount of substantial evidence that problems occurred, problems that could have swayed the election, these accusations should be investigated, and not swept under the rug, which is PRECISELY what courts across the country have done.
I've bolded the critical parts of your words. By your own admission, you agree that there is proof in anything that been posted. Your use of conditional language gives it away. You KNOW this isn't a certainty because if you even believed it was, you would have said that it DID sway the election, not could.
I've posted multiple times before, so I guess I thought it was understood...In the US judicial system, a court does not investigate things. Courts hear evidence which are either accepted as legal fact or rejected as unproven or unreliable.
Again - Courts do not investigate.
In Wisconsin alone, courts said initially that Trump republicans couldn’t challenge voting law changes made by an unelected commission absent proof of fraud, and then AFTER the election, Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Hagedorn, who ran as a constructionist but has ruled as an activist, said Trump was too late to challenge the results.
I don't know what case you're referring to, but it was presented to the standard you iterated above, that all seems legitimate. If the lawyers presented accusations without no proof, then lower courts should have rejected it. If those same lawyers continued to fight the system, then they would have arrived at the Supreme Court still having no proof and having wasted all the time they could have used to secure the proof.
We are saying investigate, investigate, investigate. You are saying STOP IT, NO PROOF.
I object to that. I've asked my own local officials to audit the NC election. And I've suggested to you that you need to find the proof because right now, you don't have it.
I have NEVER told anyone to stop looking, the closest I've come is to say that it's too late to change anything, because it is. But you should absolutely find the proof. As I said in my previous post, I'm very interested to see if there are uncreased machine printed ballots in Georgia and for officials to explain where they came from.
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2021, 06:45:20 PM
There was widespread nursing home voting fraud in Wisconsin. I hope it didn’t happen with your mom.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-11-13-election-observer-explains-how-nursing-home-vote-fraud-works/
No, my mom isn’t in a facility. But that article is spot on.
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2021, 06:51:41 PM
Your bullshit, "I have my fingers in my ears and hands over my eyes, cowardice in the face of massive vote fraud," isn't fooling anyone.
Not trying to. I'm trying to provoke someone to post actual evidence. Certainly I've made people mad enough to have done it by now, but still I don't see it.
Like the Democrat's impeachment attempts, you are so convinced of what you KNOW has to be true that you cannot see how questionable your data is. You just know that what's been said must be so and therefore you can't understand why I don't too. The answer is that I don't have a strong emotional engagement in this. What little bit I do have says that I wish it had been provable because I think Biden is a dangerous puppet. The United States would have survived another Trump presidency, I'm not convinced yet about a Biden/Harris presidency.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 19, 2021, 07:32:32 PM
Did you notice the part that showed one vote cast and a percentage was given to Biden and a lower percentage was given to Trump? How the hell does that happen?
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2021, 07:51:18 PM
Did you notice the part that showed one vote cast and a percentage was given to Biden and a lower percentage was given to Trump? How the hell does that happen?
I did. I understand what they were saying, that each vote supposedly only registered about .7 for Trump and 1.3 for Biden.
Where did that happen? If that went across the entire vote total, then the actual vote count would have been a blowout. Rather than being close, Trump would have won by twice as many votes and the hand recount should have shown that, right?
But wasn't the hand recount nearly identical? Or at least close enough that we can presume human error in the hand count? How could there have been weighting going on if the hand recount was almost the same?
Post by: Number7 on February 19, 2021, 07:59:44 PM
Not trying to. I'm trying to provoke someone to post actual evidence. Certainly I've made people mad enough to have done it by now, but still I don't see it.
Like the Democrat's impeachment attempts, you are so convinced of what you KNOW has to be true that you cannot see how questionable your data is. You just know that what's been said must be so and therefore you can't understand why I don't too. The answer is that I don't have a strong emotional engagement in this. What little bit I do have says that I wish it had been provable because I think Biden is a dangerous puppet. The United States would have survived another Trump presidency, I'm not convinced yet about a Biden/Harris presidency.
Bullshit.
You wouldn’t dare admit that fraud changed the outcome of the election because your ego is in front of the truth. You sank your flag in the sand of bulls it and lack the balls to take it back out.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 20, 2021, 07:45:10 AM
Well there you go. I’m not ignoring it, I just do t have all the information. What am I missing?
Over the past few months there have been many many many posts about failure to follow procedures that are supposed to ensure the integrity of the vote counting process. These procedures include having witnesses to the counting process. But why were there instances of ballot counting without the witnesses?
here are just a couple that (amazingly) are still available. How did I find these? just a simple google search
https://www.kusi.com/security-camera-footage-from-atlanta-ga-allegedly-shows-ballots-being-counted-overnight/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZnOUYciDnc
Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I believe that the covid-19 production line has quality control procedures that are supposed to ensure that each lot of vaccine meets requirements. If those quality control procedures are not followed, what do we do? Just assume that the doses are good? In the absence of meeting quality control requirements, it is still possible that the vaccine doses produced are good. But the process has lost integrity.
The same goes for the election process. Failure to follow procedure (e.g., counting ballots without witnesses) means you cannot trust that the resulting count is accurate. It might be, but.... we..... don't..... know....
Post by: Lucifer on February 20, 2021, 08:09:45 AM
Look at all available evidence. Ask questions. When the answers don't add up or are inconclusive, investigate further. Look at and evaluate ALL evidence. Do not let personal prejudices or ideology control the investigative process.
At the crux of this election catastrophe we just witnessed, we are being told not to talk about it anymore, that everything should be dropped and no investigations are warranted. Then we have the classic group that got the result they desired, and are now trying to tell everyone that there is no evidence and it's over, well, because they said so.
And those same morons are now confident that because they got their desired result that somehow future elections will just go back to normal. They are way to ignorant to figure out just the opposite will happen unless this fraud is thoroughly investigated and the perpetrators are revealed, and the states that allowed this to happen must clean up their voting processes and return to voting integrity.
Yet these same morons that keep harping "no evidence" can't tell us why that even today, under more and more evidence coming in why the DCP and the establishment are doubling down on censorship and still fighting to keep investigations from seeing the inside of a courtroom. Elections are suppose to be transparent, and records kept to insure the integrity. Yet the village idiots think it's perfectly OK for election boards to refuse, even under subpoena, to allow an audit of those records.
Back to investigation 101. When a party hides evidence, or destroys evidence, this is an admission of guilt.
This country has less than 18 months to fix these election integrity issues. Ignore them now because some got the desired result they wished for will only mean next election cycle it will get worse, and the perpetrators will get even more creative.
We are on our way to one party rule unless the American people stand and demand answers, and demand our elected representatives fix this.
"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson
Post by: Little Joe on February 20, 2021, 08:34:04 AM
I'm not exactly sure which morons you are talking about, but I have seen plenty of evidence. What I haven't seen is an impartial judge decide how much of that evidence is proof. Video's can be faked. Even when the person creating them is on your side.
Yet these same morons that keep harping "no evidence" can't tell us why that even today, under more and more evidence coming in why the DCP and the establishment are doubling down on censorship and still fighting to keep investigations from seeing the inside of a courtroom. Elections are suppose to be transparent, and records kept to insure the integrity. Yet the village idiots think it's perfectly OK for election boards to refuse, even under subpoena, to allow an audit of those records.
Mike Lindell's videos are very compelling. Perhaps I am too much of an optimist, but I feel that when they are able to get them before a judge, if there is validity to them, that will come out. It might not get Trump back in the White House but I think it could put people in jail and finally put to rest the liberal claim that there is no voter fraud. That could lead to real voting reforms, including voter id.
Post by: Anthony on February 20, 2021, 08:35:43 AM
Post by: Rush on February 20, 2021, 08:39:12 AM
I'm not exactly sure which morons you are talking about, but I have seen plenty of evidence. What I haven't seen is an impartial judge decide how much of that evidence is proof. Video's can be faked. Even when the person creating them is on your side.
Mike Lindell's videos are very compelling. Perhaps I am too much of an optimist, but I feel that when they are able to get them before a judge, if there is validity to them, that will come out. It might not get Trump back in the White House but I think it could put people in jail and finally put to rest the liberal claim that there is no voter fraud. That could lead to real voting reforms, including voter id.
Liberals in 2020: “There is no fraud, our elections are secure.”
Liberals in 2016: “Election fraud!”
Conservatives in 2020: “Election fraud!”
Conservatives in 2016: “Trump won despite election fraud by the Democrats.”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 20, 2021, 09:13:46 AM
I did. I understand what they were saying, that each vote supposedly only registered about .7 for Trump and 1.3 for Biden.
Where did that happen? If that went across the entire vote total, then the actual vote count would have been a blowout. Rather than being close, Trump would have won by twice as many votes and the hand recount should have shown that, right?
But wasn't the hand recount nearly identical? Or at least close enough that we can presume human error in the hand count? How could there have been weighting going on if the hand recount was almost the same?
At this point, I believe you are starting to pay more attention to this and have a bit more doubt in your mind. I think you can answer some of your own questions by re-watching the video. I appreciate your back and forth with me on this.
If Garland Favorito prevails in Fulton County, GA and gains access to those absentee ballots and can have the analyzed by Jovan Pulitzer we may get an answer on Georgia and then we see where things go. I know there is still stuff going on in Arizona. I do not know about anything taking place in Michigan or Pennsylvania at this point.
As has been said, this election will not be overturned, but light may be shed on some things that happened and some folks may go to jail in the end. It may take years to get there, but it is a fight worth fighting.
So many questions like, why were they allowed to cover up windows in Michigan?
Post by: bflynn on February 20, 2021, 12:43:59 PM
At this point, I believe you are starting to pay more attention to this and have a bit more doubt in your mind.
I would not classify it as that. I'm in the same place I've always been, waiting for the investigations to show us what they find. You and I were never going to figure this out.
I have definite opinions about what should be done, but nobody is likely to listen to me. No surprise, those opinions run toward preventing this kind of question from happening in the future by requiring an external audit of the election with defined standards prior to the secretary of state being able to certify it. What Frank-Dodd did for finance, each state should do for elections. It's essential to restore confidence in elections.