PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: InTheSoup on March 05, 2016, 06:06:11 AM
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Lets face it. Mitt Romney is involved in alot of businesses that depend on cheap imports from china. He has a lot to lose if trade isnt so one sided as it is. I am pretty shocked there is no talk of this in the news.
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Lets face it. Mitt Romney is involved in alot of businesses that depend on cheap imports from china. He has a lot to lose if trade isnt so one sided as it is. I am pretty shocked there is no talk of this in the news.
That could be a motivator also, but whomever is running, and financing the establishment Republicans are certainly behind it.
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It's really too bad Romney didn't come out against Obama in 2012 the way he's going after Trump.
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It's really too bad Romney didn't come out against Obama in 2012 the way he's going after Trump.
That goes for the entire Republican Party.
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That goes for the entire Republican Party.
He really had a good first debate, then took the gloves off.
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Very telling of the GOP. A far left socialist like Obama runs for president and they put up two lame pansies to run against him (McCain/Romney) and they run a half hearted campaign.
Now they are having record voter turnout for the primaries and a very energetic electorate, and they are in an unprecedented attack on the front runner and his supporters.
Definitely one for the history books.
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I'm going with my assumption that Romney was just speaking from the heart.
Maybe I'm just naive, but there you have it.
Beyond that, I think of the quote, "I did not leave the xxx party, the xxx party left me."
And right now, I feel quite alienated by all the Republican shenanigans.
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And right now, I feel quite alienated by all the Republican shenanigans.
I do too, and I have been a conservative Republican since I got out of college. I still like Cruz though.
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I'm going with my assumption that Romney was just speaking from the heart.
He's speaking for his handlers. GOP establishment is bought and paid for.
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He's speaking for his handlers. GOP establishment is bought and paid for.
Yep. Exactly my thoughts. I would love to peak behind the curtain of both parties to see who is pulling the strings.
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Yep. Exactly my thoughts. I would love to peak behind the curtain of both parties to see who is pulling the strings.
Absolutely. This is the real panic going on of having a candidate they didn't pay for who will be controlled by them.
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Absolutely. This is the real panic going on of having a candidate they didn't pay for who will be controlled by them.
It is a REAL eye opener.
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He's speaking for his handlers. GOP establishment is bought and paid for.
If you're retired at 68 years old with a net worth of $250 million, do you really have handlers? I don't think so.
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I do too, and I have been a conservative Republican since I got out of college. I still like Cruz though.
+1
Unfortunately "Team R" lost their way after Reagan and morphed into being Democrat lite. Frankly, I think the current revolution within the Republican party is long overdue, and from this disaster, a better, stronger party will emerge. A battle within "Team D" is coming as well. The Bernie supporters will not be happy when he gets the shaft from the Democrat establishment.
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If you're retired at 68 years old with a net worth of $250 million, do you really have handlers? I don't think so.
Oh bullshit!
Romney bows down to the money dogs like the rest of the GOP. Those who have bought and paid for someone expect a lot in return. Don't do their bidding and there is payback. Romney used their money in previous elections and returned favors while in office. He's as much owned by the GOP establishment as the others.
If Trump gets elected, or if he doesn't, just watch what is going to happen to the "R's" that have come out in his support. The GOP will treat them like red headed step children.
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Oh, I see.
Trump is rich, so he's "independent".
Romney is rich so he "bows down to money"
But, yeah, you're not a Trump supporter....RRRIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTT
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Oh, I see.
Trump is rich, so he's "independent".
Romney is rich so he "bows down to money"
But, yeah, you're not a Trump supporter....RRRIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTT
Exactly.
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Oh, I see.
Trump is rich, so he's "independent".
Romney is rich so he "bows down to money"
But, yeah, you're not a Trump supporter....RRRIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTT
Again Cartman, you simply don't get it. You are sooooo desperate to have someone to kick around on this forum you make things up to justify yourself.
Again, please show one post where I stated I am supporting Trump.
You can't do it.
Ponteix is missing it's village idiot.
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Exactly.
Good thing the GOP establishment has loyal followers such as yourself, they serve up the shit sandwiches and you ask for seconds.
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It's completely possible to want the RNC same-same sandwiches to stop, but not want Trump for president.
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It's completely possible to want the RNC same-same sandwiches to stop, but not want Trump for president.
No kidding. You can desire an anti establishment outsider, but you don't have to bow down to the douche bag from hell either.
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It's completely possible to want the RNC same-same sandwiches to stop, but not want Trump for president.
Sure it is.
So what are your choices for 2016? And how do you convince the GOP to change?
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No kidding. You can desire an anti establishment outsider, but you don't have to bow down to the douche bag from hell either.
Again, how?
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http://www.chicksontheright.com/carly-fiorina-blasts-the-republican-establishment-explains-the-phenomenon-that-is-donald-trump/
Carly seems to get it.
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http://www.chicksontheright.com/carly-fiorina-blasts-the-republican-establishment-explains-the-phenomenon-that-is-donald-trump/
Carly seems to get it.
Good article and right on target.
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Again, how?
Easy.
Vote for someone who hasn't spent decades funding the Democrat establishment.
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Easy.
Vote for someone who hasn't spent decades funding the Democrat establishment.
Clueless, as usual.
So how do you turn the "desire" of an anti establishment candidate into one that could get the nomination? Or, look at it this way, how do you get the establishment GOP to allow an anti establishment candidate to get the nomination?
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Good thing the GOP establishment has loyal followers such as yourself, they serve up the shit sandwiches and you ask for seconds.
Thanks for continuing to demonstrate the unhinged mentality of Trump fans everywhere.
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Clueless, as usual.
So how do you turn the "desire" of an anti establishment candidate into one that could get the nomination? Or, look at it this way, how do you get the establishment GOP to allow an anti establishment candidate to get the nomination?
Caustic, as usual.
It looks like Cruz has at least two wins tonight, and doubled Trump's vote count in Kansas 35,000 votes to Trump's 17,000. Are you saying the people of Kansas voted for an establishment candidate?
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Caustic, as usual.
It looks like Cruz has at least two wins tonight, and doubled Trump's vote count in Kansas 35,000 votes to Trump's 17,000. Are you saying the people of Kansas voted for an establishment candidate?
The establishment hates Cruz as well. How about answering the question rather than beating the drum for your candidate?
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The establishment hates Cruz as well. How about answering the question rather than beating the drum for your candidate?
Your premise is flawed, so your question is invalid. You assume Cruz can't win the nomination.
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Your premise is flawed, so your question is invalid. You assume Cruz can't win the nomination.
I'm using generic candidates, notice I didn't use names?
Face it, no matter what I write, you simply can't deal with it. Like your establishment buddies you're obviously wanting to look down your nose at everyone else.
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Caustic, as usual.
It looks like Cruz has at least two wins tonight, and doubled Trump's vote count in Kansas 35,000 votes to Trump's 17,000. Are you saying the people of Kansas voted for an establishment candidate?
Funny how Trump doesn't win in "caucus" states.
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Funny how Trump doesn't win in "caucus" states.
That is interesting. I think there are only two more caucas states then everything else is primary. I've never been involved in a caucas, but I could see why Cruz does better in them.
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http://www.chicksontheright.com/carly-fiorina-blasts-the-republican-establishment-explains-the-phenomenon-that-is-donald-trump/
Carly seems to get it.
Sounds like conservatives are willing to vote for anybody, even if it is a terrible choice just to stick it to the man. Hillary must be absolutely giddy with joy.
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Sounds like conservatives are willing to vote for anybody, even if it is a terrible choice just to stick it to the man. Hillary must be absolutely giddy with joy.
Funny thing is, the GOP has wound up with 2 candidates they hate.
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Funny how Trump doesn't win in "caucus" states.
They just called KY for Trump.
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Sounds like conservatives are willing to vote for anybody, even if it is a terrible choice just to stick it to the man. Hillary must be absolutely giddy with joy.
Yes, the "man" is Mao and Stalin. Some are going to pick up a rifle.
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Yes, the "man" is Mao and Stalin. Some are going to pick up a rifle.
???? !
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Funny how Trump doesn't win in "caucus" states.
Also, Cruz does better in closed primaries and caucus. Trump does better in open ones. I would suspect that's because Trump appeals to the moderate democrats who cross over and vote for him.
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Also, Cruz does better in closed primaries and caucus. Trump does better in open ones. I would suspect that's because Trump appeals to the moderate democrats who cross over and vote for him.
Or...Democrats prefer to have Trump as the Republican nominee because he's much easier to beat.
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Or...Democrats prefer to have Trump as the Republican nominee because he's much easier to beat.
Perhaps, but I kinda doubt it.
It is notable that the democrat turnout this year is way down.
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Perhaps, but I kinda doubt it.
It is notable that the democrat turnout this year is way down.
Isn't that low turn out reflected in the democrat primaries and caucuses, not democrats voting in the "Team R" primaries and caucuses?
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Isn't that low turn out reflected in the democrat primaries and caucuses, not democrats voting in the "Team R" primaries and caucuses?
True, I was just noting that the Republican Primaries are enjoying record turn outs while the Democrats are seeing far reduced numbers.
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True, I was just noting that the Republican Primaries are enjoying record turn outs while the Democrats are seeing far reduced numbers.
I think we can easily explain the Democrat primaries. A nasty, lying, offensive, criminal who has sold our country assets for her own benefit, and has no major accomplishments in life is running against a dinosaur communist hippie. It's surprising anyone would subject themselves to that level of embarrassment.
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I think we can easily explain the Democrat primaries. A nasty, lying, offensive, criminal who has sold our country assets for her own benefit, and has no major accomplishments in life is running against a dinosaur communist hippie. It's surprising anyone would subject themselves to that level of embarrassment.
The Democrats are even more of an embarrassment than the Republicans.
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I think we can easily explain the Democrat primaries. A nasty, lying, offensive, criminal who has sold our country assets for her own benefit, and has no major accomplishments in life is running against a dinosaur communist hippie. It's surprising anyone would subject themselves to that level of embarrassment.
Agreed, there is definitely fatigue showing in the Democrats. Sanders has ignited a following,and I believe when the democrats show him the door at the convention, his hard core followers will simply not vote in the general. Also, Hillary will not be able to get cross over voters.
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The Democrats are even more of an embarrassment than the Republicans.
No kidding.
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Perhaps, but I kinda doubt it.
It is notable that the democrat turnout this year is way down.
Well, they get to vote for one of their own on the R side.
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Well, they get to vote for one of their own on the R side.
I realize that in 1980 you were like 7 or 8 so you probably didn't follow it, but Ronald Reagan won a landslide against an incumbent President (Carter) by attracting what were then called "Reagan Democrats" to vote for him. The Reagan Democrats were the moderate democrats who liked Reagan's message and were disenchanted with Carter.
We are actually seeing this happen again this year. Many of the moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats are feeling disenfranchised by their respective parties and are seeking someone else other than the establishment picks.
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I realize that in 1980 you were like 7 or 8 so you probably didn't follow it, but Ronald Reagan won a landslide against an incumbent President (Carter) by attracting what were then called "Reagan Democrats" to vote for him. The Reagan Democrats were the moderate democrats who liked Reagan's message and were disenchanted with Carter.
We are actually seeing this happen again this year. Many of the moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats are feeling disenfranchised by their respective parties and are seeking someone else other than the establishment picks.
I don't think you'll have any evidence of crossover until the general election. If there is crossover in the primaries, it could very likely be to select the candidate that has the best chance of losing to Hillary. You may discount them, but that's what virtually all the polls say.
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I don't think you'll have any evidence of crossover until the general election. If there is crossover in the primaries, it could very likely be to select the candidate that has the best chance of losing to Hillary. You may discount them, but that's what virtually all the polls say.
Nah, Lucifer is just looking for excuses to drop hints that he's obsessed with my background and has looked into me.
The Trumpkins Are Scared of little old me.
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I don't think you'll have any evidence of crossover until the general election. If there is crossover in the primaries, it could very likely be to select the candidate that has the best chance of losing to Hillary. You may discount them, but that's what virtually all the polls say.
I don't see it that way (and neither do several pollsters) but I really don't believe dems are crossing over to protect Hillary.
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Nah, Lucifer is just looking for excuses to drop hints that he's obsessed with my background and has looked into me.
The Trumpkins Are Scared of little old me.
What the fuck is wrong with you dude? Seriously?
You are the one who is obsessed with Trump, and drop ad hom post after ad hom post not just against the candidate but anyone who you think supports him. Your #neverTrump jihad is made up of twists of logic that a pretzel maker would marvel at, and you say the nastiest things about anyone who does not agree with you about Trump, endless petty namecalling like its a 3rd grade schoolyard, over and over.
I am actually tempted to put you on ignore your one trick pony hard on obsession has become so pedantic, and I wouldn't put Jaybird and his 'racism is everywhere' on ignore because his viewpoint while foreign to me still offers at least some value. You on the other hand bring nothing of value to the table on this subject IMO, zip, zero, nadda.
Talk about somebody needing to get a life.
'Gimp
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I don't think you'll have any evidence of crossover until the general election. If there is crossover in the primaries, it could very likely be to select the candidate that has the best chance of losing to Hillary. You may discount them, but that's what virtually all the polls say.
Since several Dem strategists, including Paul Begala, are openly sharing their concern about a general lack of enthusiasm on the Democrat side that is itself being borne out in extremely low turnout during the primary season, as well as with 'intend to vote in the general', I think there is something to the crossover aspect of Trump's popularity.
The only enthusiasm on the Dem side is from the Bernie supporters. They are largely young which means they typically burn out after the primaries and don't reliably show up at the general. Hardcore Bernie supporters may not show up to vote for Hillary believing, rightly, that she will have essentially stolen the nomination.
I believe and there is anecdotal evidence to support, that Trump is in fact attracting Blue Dog Democrat/Reagan Democrat type votes in the primary, since they have been as abandoned by the increasingly radicalized Democrat party in much the same way many of us on the Right have been abandoned by the ever leftward march within the Republican party in their foolish quest for 'approval' from the power brokers.
All that is certain is that this is a very unusual cycle and the parties only have themselves to blame. They have sowed these seeds for decades in their actions as well as inactions, in the what they have said and not said, and in the fractious discord they have created.
The fact so many refuse to recognize it for what it is and revert to namecalling and dismissing it as a 'tantrum' on the part of a small set of citizens only shows how entrenched the 'conventional wisdom' has become, and how reliant so many are on getting their belief system installed or reinforced from pity too few sources.
'Gimp
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Agreed, there is definitely fatigue showing in the Democrats. Sanders has ignited a following,and I believe when the democrats show him the door at the convention, his hard core followers will simply not vote in the general. Also, Hillary will not be able to get cross over voters.
I am positive that is exactly what will happen. The new, I guess they call themselves millennials, are probably far too lazy to show up and cast write in ballots as a reprisal against the establishment.
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Agreed, there is definitely fatigue showing in the Democrats. Sanders has ignited a following,and I believe when the democrats show him the door at the convention, his hard core followers will simply not vote in the general. Also, Hillary will not be able to get cross over voters.
Completely disagree. If they put either Trump, or Cruz on the ticket, the Democrats will turn out in force to hold their nose and vote Hillary. Either one of those guys terrifies the left. The same way you guys see the end of our country with a Clinton win, they see the same downfall with either a Trump, or Cruz win. Sanders supporters will become instant Clinton supporters as they are even further away ideologically from Cruz than anybody else and they see Trump as the embodiment of what is wrong with America. They hate Hillary, but they can at least tolerate her.
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Completely disagree. If they put either Trump, or Cruz on the ticket, the Democrats [will set a new standard for cheating to install Hillary.]
FTFY
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He's speaking for his handlers. GOP establishment is bought and paid for.
Both sides bought and paid for, strings being pulled by those above. We have the illusion of choice, but do we really have choice? With the same people pulling both sets of strings?
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Both sides bought and paid for, strings being pulled by those above. We have the illusion of choice, but do we really have choice? With the same people pulling both sets of strings?
Basically true. The reality of today's RNC and DNC is how similar they both are when it comes to cronyism and the lobbyist/big donors pulling the strings.
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Basically true. The reality of today's RNC and DNC is how similar they both are when it comes to cronyism and the lobbyist/big donors pulling the strings.
Whereas with Trump, it's lenders and investors who have bought and paid for him.
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Whereas with Trump, it's lenders and investors who have bought and paid for him.
Not to mention all the potential land he can get cheap or for free to build more towers on. Think of how much more rich he could get if he were in control of federal lands. Think of the size of the temples to himself he could build!! It would be YUUGE!