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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on December 13, 2022, 01:29:11 PM

Title: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: nddons on December 13, 2022, 01:29:11 PM
The delusional Mormon is now demanding a Carbon Tax be implemented in a proposed Omnibus bill.  He must have forgotten that the Inflation Reduction Act had 26 energy provisions in it - deductions and credits - that has nothing to do with lowering inflation.

Have you noticed only millionaires are for carbon taxes? 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/romney-voices-support-for-carbon-tax-to-combat-climate-change/ar-AA154Mps
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 13, 2022, 02:02:02 PM
ave you noticed only millionaires are for carbon taxes? 


Actually, I would expect many many many zero-income people are all for carbon taxes (at least until they grasp what it really means and really costs THEM)
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: nddons on December 13, 2022, 02:09:09 PM
Actually, I would expect many many many zero-income people are all for carbon taxes (at least until they grasp what it really means and really costs THEM)
Very true.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Number7 on December 13, 2022, 02:10:44 PM
Romney is a fucking nazi in a nice suit.

He is the prefect establishment asshole.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Anthony on December 13, 2022, 06:32:28 PM
More power play by the Elite to consolidate their wealth, power and subjugate us.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: texasag93 on December 14, 2022, 03:53:00 PM
The millionaires have already bought the carbon credits that the rest of the companies will have to buy.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Little Joe on December 14, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
The millionaires have already bought the carbon credits that the rest of the companies will have to buy.
Talk of "millionaires" is a little misleading.  I suspect that several of us are technically millionaires.  And I don't buy, or support carbon credits or carbon taxes. Perhaps we should be referencing "multi" millionaires. Even that might not be valid because, AFAIK, "multi millionaires" are considered those with over 3 million net worth.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 14, 2022, 05:08:47 PM
Talk of "millionaires" is a little misleading.  I suspect that several of us are technically millionaires.  And I don't buy, or support carbon credits or carbon taxes. Perhaps we should be referencing "multi" millionaires. Even that might not be valid because, AFAIK, "multi millionaires" are considered those with over 3 million net worth.

In that case we miss the cut on being multi millionaires. May or may not admit to much else, other than not owning a money sink like an aeroplane reduces the outflow of capital.  ;D
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Rush on December 14, 2022, 05:52:17 PM
In that case we miss the cut on being multi millionaires. May or may not admit to much else, other than not owning a money sink like an aeroplane reduces the outflow of capital.  ;D

We might have been “multi” millionaires if not for having owned airplanes, sailboats, vintage cars, and children.  Oh well, at least one of those things was worth it.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 14, 2022, 06:36:15 PM
Some of us (not me) might be multi millionaires.. net worth, between retirement accounts and home assets.  Well, maybe before all the inflation (thanks to the 20,000,000 who voted for the clown).

edit: I meant the decrease in stock values...
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Mase on December 14, 2022, 08:37:43 PM
Actually,  Inflation makes your real estate more valuable, as I am sure the tax assessor will explain gleefully.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 15, 2022, 05:57:56 AM
You are correct.  I meant the decrease in stock values...
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2022, 07:16:58 AM
Actually,  Inflation makes your real estate more valuable, as I am sure the tax assessor will explain gleefully.

However, interest rates rise in that economic climate making mortgage payments more expensive and unaffordable for many, so it really doesn't create any REAL value.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Username on December 15, 2022, 09:23:46 AM
How did we ever survive the 1980s when mortgage rates were 12 to 18 percent?  Rates now are back to where they were in 2008.  Rates less than 4 for the last 10 years sure have spoiled the latest generation of home buyers.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 15, 2022, 09:36:20 AM
The economy is doing so great that retail sales were down 0.6% last month.  ;D
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 15, 2022, 09:39:20 AM
The economy is doing so great that retail sales were down 0.6% last month.  ;D

Does that include the impact of inflation?

That is, if everyone is buying the same amount of stuff, inflation would drive up retail sales, wouldn't it?

related:  I've always rolled my eyes at box office movie ticket sales.  With movie tickets going up and up and UP, of course new releases will have an advantage wrt box office sales when compared to movies release 30 years ago.  A more meaningful measure would be the number of tickets sold.

Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Username on December 15, 2022, 09:43:08 AM
We lose money on every sale but we make it up in volume.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: nddons on December 15, 2022, 09:54:37 AM
Some of us (not me) might be multi millionaires.. net worth, between retirement accounts and home assets.  Well, maybe before all the inflation (thanks to the 20,000,000 who voted for the clown).

edit: I meant the decrease in stock values...
I felt so lucky when I bought my first home in late 1985 and my interest rate started with a 9 and not a 10. 
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2022, 10:21:10 AM
Here is what the Romney's are more interested in rather than representing their constituents.

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2022/12/14/exclusive-analysis-of-rnc-spending-since-2017-shows-millions-were-spent-on-private-jets-limousines-luxury-retreats-broadway-shows-and-more-n673852

Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Username on December 15, 2022, 11:12:25 AM
Here is what the Romney's are more interested in rather than representing their constituents.

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2022/12/14/exclusive-analysis-of-rnc-spending-since-2017-shows-millions-were-spent-on-private-jets-limousines-luxury-retreats-broadway-shows-and-more-n673852
I would like to see some context on this.  What was the purpose of all these expenses?  If they were to build up the Republican "brand" that's OK.  Indirect campaigning, donor acquisition, and all that may be OK.  But still, a couple million on these items over a year for an organization as large as the RNC really isn't that much. And compared to the total expenses of the RNC it's pretty small.  Shoot... the RNC spent $27m on publishing and mailing: https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/expend.php?cmte=RNC&cycle=2022

And I suspect that it's a tiny fraction of what's spent by the DNC.  The DNC raised almost $300M.  https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/totals.php?cycle=2022&cmte=DNC

Yeah, it looks bad spending $500k on private jets, but if it's for a good cause, why not?
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2022, 11:37:00 AM
I would like to see some context on this.  What was the purpose of all these expenses?  If they were to build up the Republican "brand" that's OK.  Indirect campaigning, donor acquisition, and all that may be OK.  But still, a couple million on these items over a year for an organization as large as the RNC really isn't that much. And compared to the total expenses of the RNC it's pretty small.  Shoot... the RNC spent $27m on publishing and mailing: https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/expend.php?cmte=RNC&cycle=2022

And I suspect that it's a tiny fraction of what's spent by the DNC.  The DNC raised almost $300M.  https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/totals.php?cycle=2022&cmte=DNC

Yeah, it looks bad spending $500k on private jets, but if it's for a good cause, why not?

  The RNC is an exclusive club for selected members, and is operated for their behalf.

  Send donations to the RNC?  Then the club decides who will get help from these donations, and they consult the McLoser Trio on who to support.   Have a conservative candidate in your district that would make a great representative?   RNC will only support if that candidate agrees to support the McLoser agenda.

  Have you heard the RNC come out for election integrity?  Nope.   How about justice for the political detainees in the DC gulag?   Nope.

  The RNC has spit on the MAGA crowd, and only wants their money, and nothing more.  That little cunt Ronna fund raised on the 2020 election debacle then did absolutely nothing to help it see justice or get investigated.

  The RNC is why we have both McLosers, and the whole host of RINO's polluting our government.   And this cunt uses her position not to further the conservative agenda, but to live off it's donations. 

 She's done absolutely nothing to deserve her lifestyle at the donor's expense.

   
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Username on December 15, 2022, 12:03:30 PM
Completely agree.  I'd never send anything to the RNC.  They are deep swamp and only support swamp creatures.  If I ever send money to a politician it will be directly to their campaign.  NOT to whoever the RNC deems acceptable to the swamp.

But we only donate money to save dogs and cats.  Rescue / shelter / adopt / no kill.  Best Friends Animal Society gets the bulk of our donations.  Anyone outside of that asking for money gets the same response: NO.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 15, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Absolutely. The RNC “surveys” and pleas for cash NEVER mention election integrity or J6 detainees or ANYTHING critical to saving our Republic from the unhinged left and its globalist handlers. Nothing. So that’s what they get from me.

This is why I still believe strongly that President Trump should abandon the dangerous, traitorous RNC and start a new American party.


Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: nddons on December 15, 2022, 03:12:31 PM
I would like to see some context on this.  What was the purpose of all these expenses?  If they were to build up the Republican "brand" that's OK.  Indirect campaigning, donor acquisition, and all that may be OK.  But still, a couple million on these items over a year for an organization as large as the RNC really isn't that much. And compared to the total expenses of the RNC it's pretty small.  Shoot... the RNC spent $27m on publishing and mailing: https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/expend.php?cmte=RNC&cycle=2022

And I suspect that it's a tiny fraction of what's spent by the DNC.  The DNC raised almost $300M.  https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/totals.php?cycle=2022&cmte=DNC

Yeah, it looks bad spending $500k on private jets, but if it's for a good cause, why not?
That’s like saying spending $800 million in foreign aid to Yemen is a rounding error in our budget, but it doesn’t make it right.

Donor money spent on many of these things are wrong. And the RNC keeps asking us small donors for money. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2022, 04:18:47 PM
The economy is doing so great that retail sales were down 0.6% last month.  ;D

Layoffs and higher unemployment are next.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Number7 on December 15, 2022, 05:10:24 PM
I would like to see some context on this.  What was the purpose of all these expenses?  If they were to build up the Republican "brand" that's OK.  Indirect campaigning, donor acquisition, and all that may be OK.  But still, a couple million on these items over a year for an organization as large as the RNC really isn't that much. And compared to the total expenses of the RNC it's pretty small.  Shoot... the RNC spent $27m on publishing and mailing: https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/expend.php?cmte=RNC&cycle=2022

And I suspect that it's a tiny fraction of what's spent by the DNC.  The DNC raised almost $300M.  https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/totals.php?cycle=2022&cmte=DNC

Yeah, it looks bad spending $500k on private jets, but if it's for a good cause, why not?

That mother-fucking, incompetent, asshole niece of mittens romney didn't spend a ticking dime in Georgia and has been notoriously absent in Arizona, but, after all, they raised $300 million dollars and failed to use it to make a difference, so - you know - she probably deserves a break.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 15, 2022, 08:01:17 PM
www.hireharmeet (http://www.hireharmeet).com
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Rush on December 16, 2022, 02:30:17 AM
www.hireharmeet.com


Good!  I fixed the link for you though.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Username on December 16, 2022, 06:34:44 AM
That’s like saying spending $800 million in foreign aid to Yemen is a rounding error in our budget, but it doesn’t make it right.

Donor money spent on many of these things are wrong. And the RNC keeps asking us small donors for money. Good luck with that.
It still depends on context.  WHY did we send $800m to Yemen?  Is it to make us feel good that we are supporting a poor country?  Or is it to support Saudi vs Iran in a proxy war?  Or to keep Chinese out and away from valuable resources that we would then have access to?  I truly don't know.  I suspect that even the people sending the money don't know.  True, $800m is a rounding error.  And that alone does not justify spending the money on something stupid.  It would be really nice if all spending came with clear documentation about where and why it would be spent.  But NOOOOOOOO.  They are so much smarter than we are and they don't have to justify anything to us rubes. The bigger problem is that the asshats in DC think it's THEIR money.  It's not.

A billion here and a billion there... soon you're talking about real money.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Lucifer on December 16, 2022, 06:49:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/A5K52jP.jpg)
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: nddons on December 16, 2022, 07:40:18 AM

Good!  I fixed the link for you though.
I hope Harmeet wins this. She’s solid.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Lucifer on December 16, 2022, 09:28:52 AM
From a newsletter I receive.

Quote
Ethics and the RNC - Ya, You bet

RNC Chair, Rona "The Romney" McDaniels, has been outed as spending exorbitant amounts of donor cash on herself and chosen favorites of the party. This comes after the favoritism the RNC and the Crapweasel Leadership showed to establishment puppets against Constitutional Conservatives. After the accusations were published at Red State, McDaniels spokesperson finally replied:
 
"A client of Harmeet Dhillon decided to publish a hit piece in the middle of the night without making a serious attempt to engage with the RNC or Chairwoman McDaniel’s team. This blog post is as blatantly false as the lies she has been spreading that RNC members are being bribed for their votes. If critics want to misrepresent and push false narratives about the RNC’s spending this past cycle, they should do the math before realizing it only adds up to 0.8% of the total amount the Chairwoman raised."
 
This is like saying Bonnie & Clyde only robbed 0.02% of the banks and Al Capone murdered less than .0001% of the population.

This is how politicians practice ethics. It's called minimization or discounting which is not ethical at all.
(This was money spent on spas, luxury personal care and clothing, among other things unrelated to electing conservative candidates.  It was for the pleasure of those running the begging operations, not those they were to serve.    Think about what this really is - 1% of $200 million on pedicures?)
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: Lucifer on December 19, 2022, 07:01:13 PM
The republicans are going to fuck this up, day 1. 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/12/19/republicans-about-to-willingly-give-up-their-oversight-leverage-over-biden/

Yet another 2000+ page bill no one will read, yet will fund the Biden Agenda for 10 months and be so porkalicious.
Title: Re: Romney Wants a Carbon Tax
Post by: nddons on December 19, 2022, 08:28:13 PM
The republicans are going to fuck this up, day 1. 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/12/19/republicans-about-to-willingly-give-up-their-oversight-leverage-over-biden/

Yet another 2000+ page bill no one will read, yet will fund the Biden Agenda for 10 months and be so porkalicious.
The Turtle is all behind this. Motherfucker.