PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on January 27, 2021, 06:19:19 PM
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When I owned my business (a veterinary hospital), I paid substantially above minimum wage for good, quality, experienced workers. Our prices reflected it and my customers, for the most part, appreciated it.
But I had so many young people with no experience come to me begging for jobs, but I would tell them I require experience. They all had the same refrain:
"How can I get experience if nobody will hire me because I have no experience?"
Finally, I decided on an experiment that worked out great. I started hiring two promising young people at a time at minimum wage, Which was about half my regular starting salary for veterinary assistants. I told them this was a temporary position that would help them gain experience, but I would require that they put in the effort to learn. I would make these kids clean kennels, sweep floors, clean bathrooms and help help the veterinary assistants and technicians any way they could. Some of these people discovered that working in a veterinary hospital was not as glamorous as they thought and would quit. But some of them proved that they could handle the poop and pee and vomit and endless litter boxes. I occasionally hired some of these people full time at my regular rates, but many of those that I didn't hire were able to apply to other veterinary hospitals and legitimately claim to have "EXPERIENCE!". They were happy. I was happy and my regular employees were happy to have someone to do the dirty jobs of cleaning and disinfecting everything.
When I sold my business, the new owners kept up the program.
However, I talked to them (the new owners) about it today. They said if the minimum wage is boosted to $15/hour, they will probably have to quit offering these entry level jobs and going back to only hiring proven, experienced people. So all those young kids begging for a chance for an opportunity will have to keep looking.
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The DCP has an answer for that: UBI. Universal Basic Income.
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No one saw that coming.... did they?
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The DCP has an answer for that: UBI. Universal Basic Income.
Giving money to people who don't earn it by working and providing value is the worst idea since the USSR.
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One of several reasons teenagers don’t work anymore, find themselves in their twenties with no sense of how to do it. Low wage jobs are largely entry level and like Little Joe says, critical as early experience, not only in the job particulars, but for the whole routine needed to develop adult work habits.
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One of several reasons teenagers don’t work anymore, find themselves in their twenties with no sense of how to do it. Low wage jobs are largely entry level and like Little Joe says, critical as early experience, not only in the job particulars, but for the whole routine needed to develop adult work habits.
Exactly. How to be on time, dress, act, work ethic, etc. Many are learned behaviors.
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What people don't realize is the only benefactor of a raised minimum wage is the government.
And yes, working as a teen is a good thing. Our 18yr old senior worked the last three summers, this past summer she did pretty decent, banked about $4000. We pay for her car, insurance, and gas, she pays for everything else. She's going to work again this summer as she knows when she goes to school this coming fall we will pay tuition, room, and board, any extra luxuries she wants will have to come out of her own pocket. She has to at least have some skin in the game.
I think it's good, she says she likes working because she likes having her own money. Contrast that with her best friend who's parents won't let her work and coddle her with all her needs. That girl is definitely behind in development, acting more like a middle schooler than one ready to graduate high school and enter the adult world.
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When I owned my business (a veterinary hospital), I paid substantially above minimum wage for good, quality, experienced workers. Our prices reflected it and my customers, for the most part, appreciated it.
But I had so many young people with no experience come to me begging for jobs, but I would tell them I require experience. They all had the same refrain:
"How can I get experience if nobody will hire me because I have no experience?"
Finally, I decided on an experiment that worked out great. I started hiring two promising young people at a time at minimum wage, Which was about half my regular starting salary for veterinary assistants. I told them this was a temporary position that would help them gain experience, but I would require that they put in the effort to learn. I would make these kids clean kennels, sweep floors, clean bathrooms and help help the veterinary assistants and technicians any way they could. Some of these people discovered that working in a veterinary hospital was not as glamorous as they thought and would quit. But some of them proved that they could handle the poop and pee and vomit and endless litter boxes. I occasionally hired some of these people full time at my regular rates, but many of those that I didn't hire were able to apply to other veterinary hospitals and legitimately claim to have "EXPERIENCE!". They were happy. I was happy and my regular employees were happy to have someone to do the dirty jobs of cleaning and disinfecting everything.
When I sold my business, the new owners kept up the program.
However, I talked to them (the new owners) about it today. They said if the minimum wage is boosted to $15/hour, they will probably have to quit offering these entry level jobs and going back to only hiring proven, experienced people. So all those young kids begging for a chance for an opportunity will have to keep looking.
The new owners are obviously racist white supremacists.
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During my junior and senior years in HS I worked two jobs. One was in the day time at an evergreen nursery and was at a local restaurant busing tables. It was good experience.
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I babysat starting age 12. We had a neighbor with two kids and they went out 3 or 4 nights a week. I would do my homework at their house, they paid me 50 cents an hour. When they got home around 11:00, the father would drive me home even though I lived right behind them and could walk through the back yards, he wouldn’t let me do that after dark, being concerned for my safety. He’s still alive today, in his 90s, a very good man, always a gentleman. From age 16 I worked several part time jobs all the way through high school and college.
When our kids were teens my husband hired them to do the cleaning at the office he ran for the company he worked for. Yes blatant nepotism. Later they both taught martial arts, they had both gotten black belts by the time they were in high school.
I cannot imagine kids not working starting at or shortly after puberty, it must absolutely stunt their brain development. By evolution, we are designed to function as adults beginning at sexual maturity. That’s when we are capable of reproduction and so that’s when we should work for our keep. Mother Nature demands it. If you don’t start earning your keep in some form during those early years of reproductive viability, you miss a window of development, much like the speech window around age two. You miss that, you never really catch up.
I don’t have links to studies to back that up, but anecdotally I hear a lot about how the younger generations now working lack social and work skills. So that’s my working theory for now.
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Before I was even a teenager, I started helping my dad rebuild player pianos. By 14 I was tuning and repairing pianos (in addition to working on player pianos). I rode my bike to my first few tuning jobs or one of my parents drove me.
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Before I was even a teenager, I started helping my dad rebuild player pianos. By 14 I was tuning and repairing pianos (in addition to working on player pianos). I rode my bike to my first few tuning jobs or one of my parents drove me.
How many little kids, even before puberty, got up at 4 am to run a paper route, in the dark, by themselves! Nowadays I suppose it’s “child abuse” to expect a kid to do anything like that before age 18.
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What people don't realize is the only benefactor of a raised minimum wage is the government.
No, the only benefactor is the Leftist's conscience. Even the government doesn't benefit since raising the minimum wage usually means companies have less revenue due to higher prices and/or they cut positions and lower total salary.
The minimum wage is a constraint on businesses and they will react by doing what they have to to give the same or more amount to the shareholders.
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Last time they increased the minimum wage conservacrats made the same arguments. And here we are.
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Last time they increased the minimum wage conservacrats made the same arguments. And here we are.
Did they try to double it then Michael?
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We continue to have the same problem. Some people think that jobs should pay a particular amount without any consideration of value to the employer. Other people don't suffer from such rectal-cranium inversion
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They don’t understand basic economics or what money actually is. Money isn’t a thing with any value at all. If you don’t believe me, get out a $1 bill and a $100 bill and try to explain how one piece of the same size paper is worth 100 times more than the other, identical except for the arrangement of ink making certain symbols.
Neither are worth anything except what people mutually agree upon. Money is symbols, that is all. It symbolizes the value of what you are trading it for. That value is the intersection of what someone is willing to pay for a good or service and what someone else is willing to sell it for. At the point of agreement, that is the true worth.
Wage is no different than any other good or service. The true value is what someone is willing to take and you are willing to pay. If no one will take your job, you offer more until they do. When government artificially forces you to pay more than the true value of the job, you have an oversupply of would be employees and an under supply of jobs, commonly measured as an increase in “unemployment”.
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I have always explained money as a proxy of a claim on future goods and services given in exchange for having provided past goods or services.
The problem with the Democrat's plan is that they're assigning a claim on the future without having provided any value in the past. That is destructive of the whole system because it removes the incentive to produce goods and services at all, meaning there is no future.
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Last time they increased the minimum wage conservacrats made the same arguments. And here we are.
Yes, here we are again, with higher unemployment and about to make it worse. Prior to covid, I was seeing articles about the shrinking restaurant industry in Seattle. Quoting an article from last Jan in the Seattle Times:
They were talking with Matt Dillon, a James Beard award winner who said:
“In order to buy great product and pay a great wage that people can live on in our city …” Dillon said when he announced Sitka’s closure, “the math just doesn’t work.” For Seattle restaurants overall, he predicted, “There’s gonna be a reckoning, big time. I don’t think it’s gonna be pretty.”
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This guy is the pinnacle of chefs, one of the best in the city. He serves some of the best food and can command the highest prices. If he can't make it work, what hope does anyone else have?
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/seattles-booming-restaurant-scene-shows-signs-of-slowing/
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Last time they increased the minimum wage conservacrats made the same arguments. And here we are.
So I take it that you have never had to pay an employee who was worth less than minimum wage. Have you ever had to pay an employee out of your own money (not a university departmental budget)?
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Last time they increased the minimum wage conservacrats made the same arguments. And here we are.
It is kind of sad to think of someone who claims to know so much, be so fucking stupid...