PILOT SPIN

Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on April 07, 2024, 05:09:49 PM

Title: RFKJr on Ukraine
Post by: Rush on April 07, 2024, 05:09:49 PM
Is he wrong?

https://twitter.com/Red_Pill_US/status/1772034344368112025

For you non Twitter users, basically he’s saying all the money we are giving to Ukraine is ending up with BlackRock, and furthermore, BlackRock owned companies are buying up all Ukraine’s farmland as part of the “loan” condition because this money is technically a loan although we all know it will never be repaid.
Title: Re: RFKJr on Ukraine
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 07, 2024, 07:56:11 PM
Is he wrong?

https://twitter.com/Red_Pill_US/status/1772034344368112025

For you non Twitter users, basically he’s saying all the money we are giving to Ukraine is ending up with BlackRock, and furthermore, BlackRock owned companies are buying up all Ukraine’s farmland as part of the “loan” condition because this money is technically a loan although we all know it will never be repaid.
First sentence in that post:
"U.S. could have avoided the conflict by keeping NATO out of Ukraine...."

In 2014 Russia violated a 1994 security assurance that included the US as one of Ukraine's guarantors. Details here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Ukraine did request membership in NATO in 2008. It was rejected. However, NATO claims to have an "open door" policy and a right to self-determination of nations, so left open the possibility of membership at some much later date. Putin found that unacceptable. He sure as hell didn't offer any generous deal with Ukraine as JFK jr claims.

Pretty much everyone expected Ukraine to fold when Putin ordered the invasion of 2022. Western arms makers and Blackrock are unlikely to be pulling Putin's strings or have evil henchmen in the Kremlin (if anyone wants to claim they do, well, think upon the implications.) They had nothing to do with the start of the war or expect profits from a short-lived invasion.

In any case, none of the current profiteering (assuming his claims are accurate) was the result of previous evil machinations by western firms. The US and the West were pretty slow to feed munitions of any value to Ukraine anyway.
Title: Re: RFKJr on Ukraine
Post by: Rush on April 08, 2024, 02:47:40 AM
“U.S. could have avoided the conflict by keeping NATO out of Ukraine....“

I wasn’t sure what he meant by that.  Shouldn’t it be, “keep Ukraine out of NATO”?   It sounds like he means keep the kinds of weapons being made for NATO countries out of Ukraine.

I was disappointed that he didn’t say, “U.S. could have avoided the conflict by keeping Trump in the White House.”  That was the obvious correct completion of that sentence.
Title: Re: RFKJr on Ukraine
Post by: Lucifer on April 08, 2024, 05:49:51 AM

In 2014 Russia violated a 1994 security assurance that included the US as one of Ukraine's guarantors. Details here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)


  Just looking at the sources wikipedia used for that article.   It's not information, it's propaganda.