PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on December 14, 2020, 06:38:11 PM
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/attorney-general-william-barr-resigns-effective-december-23/ar-BB1bVv5k
Anyone know anything about Jeff Rosen? Is he courageous?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/attorney-general-william-barr-resigns-effective-december-23/ar-BB1bVv5k
Good riddance.
Perhaps he doesn't want to be around to prosecute his buddies in the establishment?
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/thank-you-bill-barr-11607994564
Means well but in the end was a coward. I am very disappointed in him.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/thank-you-bill-barr-11607994564
Means well but in the end was a coward. I am very disappointed in him.
Just more of the establishment class inside the beltway.
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I think he deserves to leave now. He came out of retirement and did some good things.
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I think he deserves to leave now. He came out of retirement and did some good things.
He was put in by the swamp to protect the swamp. The establishment insisted on him, and the Turtle would only agree to confirm if it was Barr. The last thing the establishment wanted was for Trump to put a real AG in that might uncover their activity.
But never fear, His Fraudulancy wants to put Andrew Coumo in as his AG.
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Trump has been very clear he is disappointed in Barr not releasing the information. It is the only explanation of dismissing someone this close to the end.
DoJ policy dictates not releasing this kind of information prior to an election in order to preserve integrity. It is very likely that had Barr ignored the policy, Trump would have narrowly won.
I suppose if Barr had displayed unswerving loyalty to Trump instead of to dept policy, he would not be leaving.
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Trump has been very clear he is disappointed in Barr not releasing the information. It is the only explanation of dismissing someone this close to the end.
DoJ policy dictates not releasing this kind of information prior to an election in order to preserve integrity. It is very likely that had Barr ignored the policy, Trump would have narrowly won.
I suppose if Barr had displayed unswerving loyalty to Trump instead of to dept policy, he would not be leaving.
And how the HELL do you know that? How do you know he was following policy? You are assuming using your bias, that's all. ::)
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And how the HELL do you know that? How do you know he was following policy? You are assuming using your bias, that's all. ::)
I simply read.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/12/trump-castigates-barr-for-not-publicly-disclosing-hunter-biden-investigation-2/
The reason Barr is out is because he followed policy rather than being loyal and Trump cannot forgive that.
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Trump has been very clear he is disappointed in Barr not releasing the information. It is the only explanation of dismissing someone this close to the end.
DoJ policy dictates not releasing this kind of information prior to an election in order to preserve integrity. It is very likely that had Barr ignored the policy, Trump would have narrowly won.
I suppose if Barr had displayed unswerving loyalty to Trump instead of to dept policy, he would not be leaving.
What would be considered “before an election”? The investigation began in 2018.
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Regardless of when the investigation started, no branch of the government should be a political tool for the White House. Silence from the DoJ before the election was proper and fair, but unacceptable to Trump.
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Regardless of when the investigation started, no branch of the government should be a political tool for the White House. Silence from the DoJ before the election was proper and fair, but unacceptable to Trump.
You are still missing the big picture by miles and in so many ways I don’t even know where to start.
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You are still missing the big picture by miles and in so many ways I don’t even know where to start.
He's back to trolling to entertain himself.
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You are still missing the big picture by miles and in so many ways I don’t even know where to start.
I understand the big picture you’re talking about but I disagree with the assertion that it is a big picture. I believe what has been uncovered is lax and improper procedures for elections, not intentional fraud.
Many here disagree with me on that. If you could prove it with data, I would be on your side. The onus is on you to prove the fraud, not on me to accept your accusations.
Lucy, that isn’t trolling. I call it serious and responsible citizenship.
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I understand the big picture you’re talking about but I disagree with the assertion that it is a big picture. I believe what has been uncovered is lax and improper procedures for elections, not intentional fraud.
Many here disagree with me on that. If you could prove it with data, I would be on your side. The onus is on you to prove the fraud, not on me to accept your accusations.
Lucy, that isn’t trolling. I call it serious and responsible citizenship.
You're a troll desperate for attention, nothing more.
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I simply read.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/12/trump-castigates-barr-for-not-publicly-disclosing-hunter-biden-investigation-2/
The reason Barr is out is because he followed policy rather than being loyal and Trump cannot forgive that.
Thanks for the link, but I don't trust the MEDIA like you do. You probably think media outlets like AP and Reuters are neutral and unbiased.
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You're a troll desperate for attention, nothing more.
Lol. You couldn't have any other position on it. You can't counter my message, so kill the messenger, eh? Keep going, you're only a step or two away from invoking Godwin.
The facts are very much absent and therefore against you, but you can't quit.
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Lol. You couldn't have any other position on it. You can't counter my message, so kill the messenger, eh? Keep going, you're only a step or two away from invoking Godwin.
The facts are very much absent and therefore against you, but you can't quit.
The leftist tools are projection and deceit.
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Thanks for the link, but I don't trust the MEDIA like you do. You probably think media outlets like AP and Reuters are neutral and unbiased.
Actually, AP and Reuters are two that I don't search out because if they have a story, it winds up somewhere else anyway. Fox is usually my first go to and I supplement elsewhere.
No, I don't believe the media is neutral. Different sites have different bents. That's why I look at many of them. There are far left sites that I skip completely - HuffPo, NY Times. I will look at MSNBC and CNN to see what they're not talking about and as a reference of what the left is seeing. MSNBC is very left leaning but at least they are more complete.
There are also far right sites that I don't listen to because they're either usually wrong or mostly opinion pieces.
Complete side note, our hometown paper in Raleigh is the News and Observer. I picked up one the other day and was amazed. The paper was 20 pages long, 2 sections of 10 pages each. There were perhaps 15 actual news articles in it, the rest was things like classified, comics, ads and opinions. The news business really is dead by their own hand.
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... The news business really is dead by their own hand.
And the lack of critical thinking by many people in the USA.
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I understand the big picture you’re talking about but I disagree with the assertion that it is a big picture. I believe what has been uncovered is lax and improper procedures for elections, not intentional fraud.
Could it be intentional fraud to set up lax and improper procedures for elections?
No officer, I didn't kill him but I did set out knives, guns, clubs, and other weapons in a gang-infested area of the city and dropped the poor victim off right in the middle of it.
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Could it be intentional fraud to set up lax and improper procedures for elections?
No officer, I didn't kill him but I did set out knives, guns, clubs, and other weapons in a gang-infested area of the city and dropped the poor victim off right in the middle of it.
It could be. Can you prove that or do we have to assume incompetence?
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It could be. Can you prove that or do we have to assume incompetence?
Doesn't have to be proven. There is a reasonable expectation that fraud will take place given the massive numbers of uncontrolled ballots that have been widely distributed. Being incompetent is not a defense.
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Doesn't have to be proven. There is a reasonable expectation that fraud will take place given the massive numbers of uncontrolled ballots that have been widely distributed. Being incompetent is not a defense.
The proof only needs to meet a preponderance of the evidence, which is the lowest level of proof. Statements signed by industry professionals are evidence, signed and sworn affidavits are evidence. Video is evidence.
Also, destroying evidence or potential evidence is an admission of guilt.
Finally, the defense has the burden of disproving the evidence presented, this is why they have fought so hard to keep the court to getting to the evidentiary phase.
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And the lack of critical thinking by many people in the USA.
My dad used to read 3 newspapers per day: the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun Times in the morning, and the Chicago Daily News in the afternoon. He’s pick them up at a news stand driving in to the office. He’d pull to the side of the road on Milwaukee Avenue, and a kid would stand on the curb and sell the papers for anywhere from a dime to a quarter over the years.
The Chicago Daily News went tits up in 1978, leaving people less informed, and allowing the TV news to fill in the blanks on what happened during the day.
That’s a good benchmark for when some people decided being fed their news was preferable to seeking it out.
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Doesn't have to be proven. There is a reasonable expectation that fraud will take place given the massive numbers of uncontrolled ballots that have been widely distributed. Being incompetent is not a defense.
I see. There were inaccuracies, so it must have been malevolent? There is opportunity, so it has been done?
You're missing a step in there.