PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 29, 2016, 05:22:02 AM
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some never-was NFL QB disrespects the USA...
I guess that's the only way anyone would pay attention to that 3rd tier QB
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I love the shining examples of hypocrisy provided by race and attention whores.
The guy grows up to make $19 million a year and whines that white people are unfairly holding him back.
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Apparently you only saw snippets. That's not what he said.
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Apparently you only saw snippets. That's not what he said.
I read what he said. MY question is how he thinks his actions will help to improve the situation.
Answer: It won't. It will make things worse.
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He's free to protest and free not to stand during the playing of the national anthem. I find it ironic that he's making a ton of money and then turns around and says that black people in this country are oppressed. What concerns me even more is that he does this with no consequences, NBA players wore black shirts that said "I can't breathe" on them with no consequences, but when the Dallas Cowboys' players wanted to wear a #5 sticker on the back of their helmet to honor the fallen Texas police officers who were assassinated, the NFL drew the line there and wouldn't allow it.
I love football but the NFL is clearly in the tank for the left. Remember Rush Limbaugh and his short lived announcer career?
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He has been ineffective. Nobody is talking about what he wants to say, they're talking about him. A protest is not disrespectful but there are disrespectful ways to protest. He is suffering the fallout from it.
Then, because of his disrespect, he has lost any authority to bring attention to the things he cares about.
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He has been ineffective. Nobody is talking about what he wants to say, they're talking about him. A protest is not disrespectful but there are disrespectful ways to protest. He is suffering the fallout from it.
Then, because of his disrespect, he has lost any authority to bring attention to the things he cares about.
I'd agree with you in the short term. Let's see how this plays out over time.
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Jackie Robinson (http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/08/29/jackie-robinson-i-cannot-stand-and-sing-the-anthem-i-cannot-salute-the-flag/) may have felt the same way, although possibly retroactively.
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Jackie Robinson (http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/08/29/jackie-robinson-i-cannot-stand-and-sing-the-anthem-i-cannot-salute-the-flag/) may have felt the same way, although possibly retroactively.
Jackie Robinson had about a thousand times the justification. And he still had class.
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Jackie Robinson had about a thousand times the justification. And he still had class.
Why isn't the justification equal?
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Why isn't the justification equal?
Because times have changed.
But then since you only seem to see in black and white, you might not see the significance there.
Your attitude is a large part of why progress is as slow as it is. No gain is seen as progress. Many white people tend to lose their liberal leanings when no matter how much is given to blacks, there is no acknowledgement of the effort. I know I did.
He still has the right to protest like that. But his moral justification is no where near the level of Jackie Robinson's.
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Because times have changed.
But then since you only seem to see in black and white, you might not see the significance there.
Your attitude is a large part of why progress is as slow as it is. No gain is seen as progress. Many white people tend to lose their liberal leanings when no matter how much is given to blacks, there is no acknowledgement of the effort. I know I did.
He still has the right to protest like that. But his moral justification is no where near the level of Jackie Robinson's.
Okay, if you don't mind please try again without exaggeration.
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Okay, if you don't mind please try again without exaggeration.
I have no idea how to quantify the gains blacks have made in society.
So maybe I should have said a gazillion just to people wouldn't take me literally.
The differences between then and now are huge. But from my perspective, most of the progress has been due to white people doing what they thought right.
I'll give Martin Luther King Jr. an exclusion from that. I think he worked miracles and gained a ton of respect for black people. Even if it did take years to phase in. But groups like #blacklivesmatter are in the business of erasing those gains. And so is Kaepernick.
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I have no idea how to quantify the gains blacks have made in society.
So maybe I should have said a gazillion just to people wouldn't take me literally.
The differences between then and now are huge. But from my perspective, most of the progress has been due to white people doing what they thought right.
I'll give Martin Luther King Jr. an exclusion from that. I think he worked miracles and gained a ton of respect for black people. Even if it did take years to phase in. But groups like #blacklivesmatter are in the business of erasing those gains. And so is Kaepernick.
You say Blacks have made gains, but you can't communicate it.
You say that it's because Whites have changed
Dr. King gave Blacks respect, because they didn't have it before even though White people THEN hated him and now he's just paid lip service in death
And now ONE man, Kaepernick is erasing gains BY HIMSELF...Oh and BLM speaks for ALL Black People
I'm just going to disengage from this now for the logic errors are staggering and piling up.
C YA
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You say Blacks have made gains, but you can't communicate it.
You say that it's because Whites have changed
Dr. King gave Blacks respect, because they didn't have it before even though White people THEN hated him and now he's just paid lip service in death
And now ONE man, Kaepernick is erasing gains BY HIMSELF...Oh and BLM speaks for ALL Black People
I'm just going to disengage from this now for the logic errors are staggering and piling up.
C YA
your inability (or disinterest) in understanding what is said is staggering... only exceeded by your mischaracterization of what other people write.
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Jaybird is so oppressed with a job that has allowed him to become a pilot and consider owning an airplane. It must be really tough in his world.
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You say Blacks have made gains, but you can't communicate it.
You say that it's because Whites have changed
Dr. King gave Blacks respect, because they didn't have it before even though White people THEN hated him and now he's just paid lip service in death
And now ONE man, Kaepernick is erasing gains BY HIMSELF...Oh and BLM speaks for ALL Black People
I'm just going to disengage from this now for the logic errors are staggering and piling up.
C YA
Yep. Everything you say I say is true. Too bad you can't admit it. 50 years ago, you would have been lynched for doing the things you do every day. There are no "colored restrooms". You can enter the front door of a restaurant. Shit, you can even hold hands with a white girl in public if you want.
And yes, white people have changed their collective attitudes. Of course, not all whites changed 180degrees, I can't recall the last time I heard a white person say the "N" word out of hate.
And YES, Dr. King did earn blacks many white people's respect when they most assuredly did not have it before. Or are you saying that white people really did respect black people before MLK. And yes, it took time for that to happen. It even took his death. Social change is slow. Otherwise, it is revolution.
But Kaepernick is not erasing the gains himself. People like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrahkan and you and many others are helping.
And your comment that I said BLM speaks for ALL black people is an out and out lie to help you assuage your own feelings.
So perhaps a short disengagement to think about these things would good for you. But I do hope you come back.
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I'm just going to disengage from this now for the logic errors are staggering and piling up.
C YA
Yes... Again you run and hide because your idiotic, racist statements don't meet any truthful criteria and rather than debate substance, you call out your debate opponent and pretend to hold some insane high ground... just because.
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Yes... Again you run and hide because your idiotic, racist statements don;t meet any truthful criteria and rather than debate substance, you call out your debate opponent and pretend to hold some insane high ground... just because.
??? I don't see his actions as running or hiding, just disengaging from a debate because he doesn't feel the people he's debating with are being reasonable.
With that said, I disagree with probably everyone on here. Kaepernick is a prick. Sure, he has the right to protest any way he wants, but that doesn't mean that people aren't still allowed to think of him as a prick.
As to his alleged motivation, spare me, please. Tremendous strides have been made in the way black people are treated over the last 60-70 years. And they're not even close to the racial minority they once were. They have every right and privilege as white people. Are there still idiots who treat all black people with disrespect and hatred? Sure, but they're few and far between.
Black celebrities complaining because a taxi passes them by to get to a white person, and referring to themselves as "Hollywood slaves" are doing no one a service. They're simply attention whores. Bad things will happen to people of all races and there's no way to stop that 100%. I just don't think there's a widespread problem with racism. I think some people will want to FIND racism, and seek it out, much like social workers want to create/invent problems with children so they can loudly proclaim they're saving the world.
I have a few friends who are black and think racism is a huge problem. These guys earn a helluva lot more than I do. A couple of them belong to a country club I could never afford. They attend galas and social events I don't have the social status to even get invitations to. And yet they feel they're oppressed because of their race. When we talk about it, they'll mention security following them around department stores. I'm just not buying it. These guys dress sharp and have an air of dignity they couldn't shake if they tried. They're not oppressed on a daily basis.
Now, I don't EVER make fun of BLM because they have a valid argument. If you're a black person and you're pulled over by a cop I think you are treated more poorly than the average white person pulled over. And I think your odds of being shot go up exponentially just because you're black. But that's more of a law enforcement issue than a general societal issue, other than it's tolerated.
BLM gained notoriety because of what happened in Ferguson (a St. Louis suburb). I'm opposed to quotas, but there's no excuse for there not being even one black police officer on the force in that area. I'm not taking up for Brown, because he created the situation, but the reaction of the police fanned the flames. They behaved poorly and childishly after the incident and it made it much worse.
I live in Columbia, MO, just a few miles from Mizzou. The crap that the 1950 organizers brought last year was a disgrace to their race. And it could not have been handled any worse by the university administration. The headliners are long gone, satisfied with their 15 minutes, leaving the school with a tarnished reputation and plummeted enrollment. I said then and I'll say now that they were well-funded, educated thugs. A group that seems to be growing these days.
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Kareem Chimes In:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/30/insulting-colin-kaepernick-says-more-about-our-patriotism-than-his/?utm_term=.82003bcafe1b&wpisrc=nl_az_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/30/insulting-colin-kaepernick-says-more-about-our-patriotism-than-his/?utm_term=.82003bcafe1b&wpisrc=nl_az_most)
"During the Olympics in Rio a couple of weeks ago, Army Reserve 2nd Lt. Sam Kendricks was sprinting intently in the middle of his pole vaulting attempt when he heard the national anthem playing. He immediately dropped his pole and stood at attention, a spontaneous expression of heartfelt patriotism that elicited more praise than his eventual bronze medal. Last Friday, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick chose not to stand with his teammates during the national anthem. To some, Kendricks embodies traditional all-American Forrest Gump values of patriotism, while Kaepernick represents the entitled brattish behavior of a wealthy athlete ungrateful to a country that has given him so much.
In truth, both men, in their own ways, behaved in a highly patriotic manner that should make all Americans proud."
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Actually, it appears that you do agree, at least with me.
The only nit I have to pick is regarding BLM.
Of course they have a point. Black Lives do matter. But there are two things about it that piss me off:
They get royally pissed when someone says Blue (police) lives matter
or when people say "All lives matter".
What is their justification for that?
The other point is if they truly thought Black Lives Matter, they would be addressing intra-racial violence in the black community more.
??? I don't see his actions as running or hiding, just disengaging from a debate because he doesn't feel the people he's debating with are being reasonable.
With that said, I disagree with probably everyone on here. Kaepernick is a prick. Sure, he has the right to protest any way he wants, but that doesn't mean that people aren't still allowed to think of him as a prick.
As to his alleged motivation, spare me, please. Tremendous strides have been made in the way black people are treated over the last 60-70 years. And they're not even close to the racial minority they once were. They have every right and privilege as white people. Are there still idiots who treat all black people with disrespect and hatred? Sure, but they're few and far between.
Black celebrities complaining because a taxi passes them by to get to a white person, and referring to themselves as "Hollywood slaves" are doing no one a service. They're simply attention whores. Bad things will happen to people of all races and there's no way to stop that 100%. I just don't think there's a widespread problem with racism. I think some people will want to FIND racism, and seek it out, much like social workers want to create/invent problems with children so they can loudly proclaim they're saving the world.
I have a few friends who are black and think racism is a huge problem. These guys earn a helluva lot more than I do. A couple of them belong to a country club I could never afford. They attend galas and social events I don't have the social status to even get invitations to. And yet they feel they're oppressed because of their race. When we talk about it, they'll mention security following them around department stores. I'm just not buying it. These guys dress sharp and have an air of dignity they couldn't shake if they tried. They're not oppressed on a daily basis.
Now, I don't EVER make fun of BLM because they have a valid argument. If you're a black person and you're pulled over by a cop I think you are treated more poorly than the average white person pulled over. And I think your odds of being shot go up exponentially just because you're black. But that's more of a law enforcement issue than a general societal issue, other than it's tolerated.
BLM gained notoriety because of what happened in Ferguson (a St. Louis suburb). I'm opposed to quotas, but there's no excuse for there not being even one black police officer on the force in that area. I'm not taking up for Brown, because he created the situation, but the reaction of the police fanned the flames. They behaved poorly and childishly after the incident and it made it much worse.
I live in Columbia, MO, just a few miles from Mizzou. The crap that the 1950 organizers brought last year was a disgrace to their race. And it could not have been handled any worse by the university administration. The headliners are long gone, satisfied with their 15 minutes, leaving the school with a tarnished reputation and plummeted enrollment. I said then and I'll say now that they were well-funded, educated thugs. A group that seems to be growing these days.
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I'm waiting to see a BLM event in Chicago at the mayor's office.
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BLM's justifications is that someone is co-opting their issue. I don't agree with it, but that's what they say. Or maybe I disagree about whether or not it is ok to co-opt their issue. I believe that everyone's life matter, not just black people stopped by police.
Police do treat black people differently because they are profiling. They profile because that's how a police officer stays alive. They learn through experience to recognize the situations that are likely to become more dangerous and they are more on edge up for them.
Is that racist? I don't know, I'm not a police officer. Their intent is not to display the dominance of a race, their intent is to stay alive.
Want to change it? Change the police officer's experience. That isn't for me to do, I already know how to put them at ease.
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Police do treat black people differently because they are profiling. They profile because that's how a police officer stays alive. They learn through experience to recognize the situations that are likely to become more dangerous and they are more on edge up for them.
Is that racist? I don't know, I'm not a police officer. Their intent is not to display the dominance of a race, their intent is to stay alive.
Want to change it? Change the police officer's experience. That isn't for me to do, I already know how to put them at ease.
Strong disagreement from me on this. If all you're going on is the color of someone's skin and you're treating that person more harshly because of it - you shouldn't be a cop. Cops pulling their guns because they're not comfortable around black people...that's why BLM exists. It's not right.
Most black people are good and decent people who don't deserve to be treated poorly because of the color of their skin. Bad people come in all colors, and if a cop has his hand on his gun at every traffic stop for every person, I've got no problem with that. If he does it only when he's pulling over black people, then there's a problem.
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Strong disagreement from me on this. If all you're going on is the color of someone's skin and you're treating that person more harshly because of it - you shouldn't be a cop.
How about if they are basing it on their past experience of stopping black males, AND THEIR ATTITUDE WHEN STOPPED?
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Yep. Everything you say I say is true. Too bad you can't admit it. 50 years ago, you would have been lynched for doing the things you do every day. There are no "colored restrooms". You can enter the front door of a restaurant. Shit, you can even hold hands with a white girl in public if you want.
And yes, white people have changed their collective attitudes. Of course, not all whites changed 180degrees, I can't recall the last time I heard a white person say the "N" word out of hate.
And YES, Dr. King did earn blacks many white people's respect when they most assuredly did not have it before. Or are you saying that white people really did respect black people before MLK. And yes, it took time for that to happen. It even took his death. Social change is slow. Otherwise, it is revolution.
But Kaepernick is not erasing the gains himself. People like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrahkan and you and many others are helping.
And your comment that I said BLM speaks for ALL black people is an out and out lie to help you assuage your own feelings.
So perhaps a short disengagement to think about these things would good for you. But I do hope you come back.
Thanks for the truth of what you say and for your different prism.
??? I don't see his actions as running or hiding, just disengaging from a debate because he doesn't feel the people he's debating with are being reasonable.
With that said, I disagree with probably everyone on here. Kaepernick is a prick. Sure, he has the right to protest any way he wants, but that doesn't mean that people aren't still allowed to think of him as a prick.
As to his alleged motivation, spare me, please. Tremendous strides have been made in the way black people are treated over the last 60-70 years. And they're not even close to the racial minority they once were. They have every right and privilege as white people. Are there still idiots who treat all black people with disrespect and hatred? Sure, but they're few and far between.
Black celebrities complaining because a taxi passes them by to get to a white person, and referring to themselves as "Hollywood slaves" are doing no one a service. They're simply attention whores. Bad things will happen to people of all races and there's no way to stop that 100%. I just don't think there's a widespread problem with racism. I think some people will want to FIND racism, and seek it out, much like social workers want to create/invent problems with children so they can loudly proclaim they're saving the world.
I have a few friends who are black and think racism is a huge problem. These guys earn a helluva lot more than I do. A couple of them belong to a country club I could never afford. They attend galas and social events I don't have the social status to even get invitations to. And yet they feel they're oppressed because of their race. When we talk about it, they'll mention security following them around department stores. I'm just not buying it. These guys dress sharp and have an air of dignity they couldn't shake if they tried. They're not oppressed on a daily basis.
Now, I don't EVER make fun of BLM because they have a valid argument. If you're a black person and you're pulled over by a cop I think you are treated more poorly than the average white person pulled over. And I think your odds of being shot go up exponentially just because you're black. But that's more of a law enforcement issue than a general societal issue, other than it's tolerated.
BLM gained notoriety because of what happened in Ferguson (a St. Louis suburb). I'm opposed to quotas, but there's no excuse for there not being even one black police officer on the force in that area. I'm not taking up for Brown, because he created the situation, but the reaction of the police fanned the flames. They behaved poorly and childishly after the incident and it made it much worse.
I live in Columbia, MO, just a few miles from Mizzou. The crap that the 1950 organizers brought last year was a disgrace to their race. And it could not have been handled any worse by the university administration. The headliners are long gone, satisfied with their 15 minutes, leaving the school with a tarnished reputation and plummeted enrollment. I said then and I'll say now that they were well-funded, educated thugs. A group that seems to be growing these days.
Thanks for the explanation. You intellectualize what I and many other live daily. But that's the best you can do and it is appreciated effort. I give you credit for not sticking your head in the sand and for not denying (altogether) that the problem exists, though you do minimize, which unfortunately has the effect of soothing your denying brethrens' feelings.
Kareem Chimes In:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/30/insulting-colin-kaepernick-says-more-about-our-patriotism-than-his/?utm_term=.82003bcafe1b&wpisrc=nl_az_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/30/insulting-colin-kaepernick-says-more-about-our-patriotism-than-his/?utm_term=.82003bcafe1b&wpisrc=nl_az_most)
"During the Olympics in Rio a couple of weeks ago, Army Reserve 2nd Lt. Sam Kendricks was sprinting intently in the middle of his pole vaulting attempt when he heard the national anthem playing. He immediately dropped his pole and stood at attention, a spontaneous expression of heartfelt patriotism that elicited more praise than his eventual bronze medal. Last Friday, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick chose not to stand with his teammates during the national anthem. To some, Kendricks embodies traditional all-American Forrest Gump values of patriotism, while Kaepernick represents the entitled brattish behavior of a wealthy athlete ungrateful to a country that has given him so much.
In truth, both men, in their own ways, behaved in a highly patriotic manner that should make all Americans proud."
I feel that it is my patriotic duty to remind, warn and cojole my fellow Americans to better ideals. If I fail to do that then I am being Un-Patriotic, Un-American and Un-Islamic; and so I do. This is the reason I sympathize with Kaepernick, thought I probably would have taken a different road.
When the anthem plays I stand respectfully. I teach my children to do so. I also have instructed my daughter and her teachers (when she attended Public School) that she may not recite the Pledge of Allegiance, but she is required to stand respectfully and quietly while the other children do so. I have my way and Colin felt that he could gain attention to an issue in his way. I wouldn't have known his name otherwise.
BLM's justifications is that someone is co-opting their issue. I don't agree with it, but that's what they say. Or maybe I disagree about whether or not it is ok to co-opt their issue. I believe that everyone's life matter, not just black people stopped by police.
Police do treat black people differently because they are profiling. They profile because that's how a police officer stays alive. They learn through experience to recognize the situations that are likely to become more dangerous and they are more on edge up for them.
Is that racist? I don't know, I'm not a police officer. Their intent is not to display the dominance of a race, their intent is to stay alive.
Want to change it? Change the police officer's experience. That isn't for me to do, I already know how to put them at ease.
I think your assessment of co-opting has merit and I had a meme that I've posted mirroring the sentiment.
Change experience is difficult when they've been spoon fed what to think. Take a look at this as an example and tell me how a cop is supposed to feel differently after a 10-20years policing this
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I think your assessment of co-opting has merit and I had a meme that I've posted mirroring the sentiment.
Change experience is difficult when they've been spoon fed what to think.
I don't think the officer's view is wrong. They have a legitimate concern because they are getting killed.
In order to change the experience, everyone who gets stopped by an officer has to start acting differently. If you don't want to get shot, you behave in ways that put officers at ease - for example, keeping your hands in clear sight and not trying to reach behind you without telling the officer that you need to do it.
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I don't think the officer's view is wrong. They have a legitimate concern because they are getting killed.
In order to change the experience, everyone who gets stopped by an officer has to start acting differently. If you don't want to get shot, you behave in ways that put officers at ease - for example, keeping your hands in clear sight and not trying to reach behind you without telling the officer that you need to do it.
I think they exercise poor judgment. I once had the unenviable task of training armed Marine Security Guards and providing them with rules of engagement to protect the area we were responsible for. We were on the middle of the night shift. First couple weeks were very stressful.
So I say- BS! They're trigger happy.
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Attention whore, and HYPOCRITE.
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I think they exercise poor judgment. I once had the unenviable task of training armed Marine Security Guards and providing them with rules of engagement to protect the area we were responsible for. We were on the middle of the night shift. First couple weeks were very stressful.
So I say- BS! They're trigger happy.
Perhaps the cops do, at times, exercise poor judgement. But that is no excuse for the person they have stopped to go off on a rant and start running or pulling guns. Every time (almost) the thug dies and BLM has a party.
It's like when ATC uses bad judgement. They go home at night. The pilot that failed to use good judgement in the face of an ATC error, dies.
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Back to Kaepernick, I heard to day that he called Trump a racist and Hillary a racist criminal.
Guess which one got the most coverage?
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I think they exercise poor judgment. I once had the unenviable task of training armed Marine Security Guards and providing them with rules of engagement to protect the area we were responsible for. We were on the middle of the night shift. First couple weeks were very stressful.
So I say- BS! They're trigger happy.
So should we hire cops that are afraid to use deadly force to restrain an armed and dangerous individual?
My thought that a Marine security guard standing at a gate has a lot less to deal with than a cop on the street that could be shot by anyone at any time. And that is by no means an insult to marines. I would put up your average marine against a top cop any day. But the jobs are different.
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I think they exercise poor judgment. I once had the unenviable task of training armed Marine Security Guards and providing them with rules of engagement to protect the area we were responsible for. We were on the middle of the night shift. First couple weeks were very stressful.
I say you don't comprehend. I once trained Navy sailors to guard nuclear weapons, including the ROEs. It has very little to do with police.
If you want the police to change then you have two choices - help change the people they encounter OR start building a bunch of coffins.
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Let's see...
We currently have a half black President that lays claim to only his black half and called the woman who raised him when his pig of a mother threw him away to chase after Marxism, "A typical White Person clinging to her God, guns and religion."
This pig of a racist plays the race card non-stop to avoid taking any responsibility for anything he does that goes wrong.
He was elected by a majority of white voters (if you believe that the last two elections weren't complete frauds) and yet he constantly makes claims about racism.
In administrations past we had republican presidents appoint black supreme court justices, a black chairman of the joint chiefs and a black Secretary of State, but the republican appointees get no credit because the politics of the left ignores any fact that disputes their narrative of racism.
Under the pig in the white house, black citizens, like the rest of us, have had major economic gains reversed through intentionally destructive policies put in place by the pig in the white house but the liberal agenda in the media makes it impossible to discuss this because it runs counter to the racist narrative needed to keep pigs like Barack Obama in power.
As actual racism dwindled away the race industry faced loss of power and money and so they make most of this up to maintain both, without a shred of integrity and it is repeated by liberal media without a thought because they've been taught to publish the agenda not the truth.
That you are more likely to be shot by the police if you're white never gets discussed because it runs counter to the agenda.
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I say you don't comprehend. I once trained Navy sailors to guard nuclear weapons, including the ROEs. It has very little to do with police.
If you want the police to change then you have two choices - help change the people they encounter OR start building a bunch of coffins.
Police have no responsibility in this!!! I'd say you're willfully blind or dishonest.
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Let's see...
We currently have a half black President that lays claim to only his black half and called the woman who raised him when his pig of a mother threw him away to chase after Marxism, "A typical White Person clinging to her God, guns and religion."
This pig of a racist plays the race card non-stop to avoid taking any responsibility for anything he does that goes wrong.
He was elected by a majority of white voters (if you believe that the last two elections weren't complete frauds) and yet he constantly makes claims about racism.
In administrations past we had republican presidents appoint black supreme court justices, a black chairman of the joint chiefs and a black Secretary of State, but the republican appointees get no credit because the politics of the left ignores any fact that disputes their narrative of racism.
Under the pig in the white house, black citizens, like the rest of us, have had major economic gains reversed through intentionally destructive policies put in place by the pig in the white house but the liberal agenda in the media makes it impossible to discuss this because it runs counter to the racist narrative needed to keep pigs like Barack Obama in power.
As actual racism dwindled away the race industry faced loss of power and money and so they make most of this up to maintain both, without a shred of integrity and it is repeated by liberal media without a thought because they've been taught to publish the agenda not the truth.
That you are more likely to be shot by the police if you're white never gets discussed because it runs counter to the agenda.
Probably because it runs counter to the statistical data. Usually when I White guy gets shot it was a "good shoot", meaning the guy really was a criminal and was going to do harm to the cop. When the cop shoots a black guy it's a toss up. In the case of shooting Blacks there is more denying, more Blue walling and more cover-up than in the case of the White that was shot.
I'm sorry that when Whites are shot wrongly they don't get more attention, I really am sorry for the loss of innocent life. But in a society with limited resources we have to address things with priority of impact first. And the first item required is to get everyone to understand that a Black innocent life has the same value as a White innocent life. Until that happens, there will be more loss of innocent life, both black and white (and subsequently blue).
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There wasn't near the racial divisiveness under George W Bush is there is under Obama. It is purposeful, and pathetic.
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There wasn't near the racial divisiveness under George W Bush is there is under Obama. It is purposeful, and pathetic.
(http://api.ning.com/files/LkzM2Xf87HN3niFDU9hXOMmAEYbQbBW7XyDQMC1FsmZjgbLBA8t4UQvFWWzNKvMR9czmVistcUkg*ilDxJEZMi2WCoeZKjsB/CallingAttentionToRacism.jpg?width=459&height=306)
Calling out divisiveness isn't divisive. Calling out Racism isn't racist. Calling out Stupidity is Smart.
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Calling out divisiveness isn't divisive. Calling out Racism isn't racist. Calling out Stupidity is Smart.
true.
doesn't change the fact that obama is causing divisiveness.
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This is apropos
https://twitter.com/charlotteirene8/status/770781388958117888?s=09
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Calling out Racism isn't racist.
Actually, it can be. Especially if you're assigning racism to another entire race of people.
Intolerance of intolerance is not a solution to the problem. It is a continuation of the problem.
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When I got to a football game, or concert, or any form of entertainment, I am there to be ENTERTAINED, somewhat as an escape. I don't want to have politics introduced. It was just like when Bob Costas gave that rant on more gun control on Sunday Night football.
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Police have no responsibility in this!!! I'd say you're willfully blind or dishonest.
The police are not the drivers of the encounters. They react to them. You yourself referenced ROEs, which are rules for when you may react with force.
Which do you want? Do you want the police to stop escalating to force even when the situation becomes deadly and they may die? Or do you want those they encounter to not escalate to those dangerous situations to start with? Calmer people or dead officers.
Of course you are supporting the side chanting "pigs in a blanket, fry them in bacon" and "Dead cops now" so I think we all know that your answer must be that you want more cops to die. Tell me I am wrong, that is what I read here. Correct me because my support and respect for you is sliding quickly.
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The police are not the drivers of the encounters. They react to them. You yourself referenced ROEs, which are rules for when you may react with force.
Which do you want? Do you want the police to stop escalating to force even when the situation becomes deadly and they may die? Or do you want those they encounter to not escalate to those dangerous situations to start with? Calmer people or dead officers.
Of course you are supporting the side chanting "pigs in a blanket, fry them in bacon" and "Dead cops now" so I think we all know that your answer must be that you want more cops to die. Tell me I am wrong, that is what I read here. Correct me because my support and respect for you is sliding quickly.
Now you're being a sensationalist and purposely distorting the truth. Do a search on anything I've ever said about how I handle and recommend the police is handled and see if it lines up.
I think I'm going to stop debating with you if you continue to willfully pervert what I say and have said many times. And you cry about respect!!!! You're a disgrace to your race.
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Now you're being a sensationalist and purposely distorting the truth. Do a search on anything I've ever said about how I handle and recommend the police is handled and see if it lines up.
I think I'm going to stop debating with you if you continue to willfully pervert what I say and have said many times. And you cry about respect!!!! You're a disgrace to your race.
And although I think your better than that, you are acting typical of yours. It's always whitey's fault. Cops should allow themselves to get shot so as not to disrespect a black thugs wretched life.
Use a gun during a crime, you go to jail.
Shoot a cop during a crime, you should die. Even if that crime is an expired license plate. When I am stopped by a cop, I always have to bite my tongue to keep the situation from escalating and getting me in more trouble. "Yes sir" and "No sir" goes a long way, even when the cop is 40 years my junior and my race.
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Do a search on anything I've ever said about how I handle and recommend the police is handled and see if it lines up.
I'm not quoting you, I'm asking you a question. You demand less black people get shot so I'm asking you how to do it. How would handle handle it or recommend the police handle it? Do you want calmer people or more dead officers? If there is another choice, I'm all for hearing it.
And the first item required is to get everyone to understand that a Black innocent life has the same value as a White innocent life. Until that happens, there will be more loss of innocent life, both black and white (and subsequently blue).
BTW, this happened several decades ago. Black lives do matter because life matters. When a black person charges a police officer or pulls a knife on them, they are not innocent. The Rules of Engagement tell the officer what to do and they do it because they have a right to avoid injury too.
But I guess we have our answer....you want more dead officers.
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Couple reminders: being a cop is not especially dangerous - It's not even in the top 10 - and we have an especially militarized police force. It's completely appropriate to ask whether the police have become too trigger happy.
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Couple reminders: being a cop is not especially dangerous - It's not even in the top 10 - and we have an especially militarized police force. It's completely appropriate to ask whether the police have become too trigger happy.
It is important for the cops to stay better equipped than the criminals. When any punk might have an automatic weapon and or cop-killer bullets, and when gangs of punks have multiple weapons the cops need to gear up, which then obviously helps escalate an arms war.
The answer isn't to disarm the cops (or honest citizens). The answer is to disarm the criminals.
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It is important for the cops to stay better equipped than the criminals. When any punk might have an automatic weapon and or cop-killer bullets, and when gangs of punks have multiple weapons the cops need to gear up, which then obviously helps escalate an arms war.
The answer isn't to disarm the cops (or honest citizens). The answer is to disarm the criminals.
Who is asking to disarm the cops?
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Who is asking to disarm the cops?
A whole damn bunch of liberals. There is a program afoot to take away much of the surplus military equipment that has been given to various police departments because they are "too militarized".
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Couple reminders: being a cop is not especially dangerous - It's not even in the top 10 - and we have an especially militarized police force. It's completely appropriate to ask whether the police have become too trigger happy.
What do you mean by "militarized?" Seems to me each police officer has to make decisions for themselves in each situation, using not only their training but their instincts and assessment of the situation. I think it's inappropriate to use "trigger happy" because we all know that every time a police officer fires their gun, they have instantly become shunted into a channel of investigation and possible suspension, not to mention publicity AND the personal fallout that comes from killing or wounding another human being. I think police officers ON THE MAIN are cautious about discharging their weapons.
It seems a typical left response to lump an entire category of people into one, incorrectly-defined and easy-to-look-down-on group.
Not to say there aren't bad apples in every group ... there are. But this dogpiling on groups whether to unleash vitriol (Republicans, police departments, Christians, etc.) or to inappropriately elevate (gays, transgenders, blacks, Hispanics, etc., no matter what their personal behavior) is dividing our country needlessly.
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What do you mean by "militarized?" Seems to me each police officer has to make decisions for themselves in each situation, using not only their training but their instincts and assessment of the situation. I think it's inappropriate to use "trigger happy" because we all know that every time a police officer fires their gun, they have instantly become shunted into a channel of investigation and possible suspension, not to mention publicity AND the personal fallout that comes from killing or wounding another human being. I think police officers ON THE MAIN are cautious about discharging their weapons.
It seems a typical left response to lump an entire category of people into one, incorrectly-defined and easy-to-look-down-on group.
Not to say there aren't bad apples in every group ... there are. But this dogpiling on groups whether to unleash vitriol (Republicans, police departments, Christians, etc.) or to inappropriately elevate (gays, transgenders, blacks, Hispanics, etc., no matter what their personal behavior) is dividing our country needlessly.
I mean exactly that: militarized (http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/DC-Decoder/2014/0816/Ferguson-How-Pentagon-s-1033-program-helped-militarize-small-town-police-video). Billions of dollars of surplus military equipment going to even small town America.
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A whole damn bunch of liberals. There is a program afoot to take away much of the surplus military equipment that has been given to various police departments because they are "too militarized".
I know of no liberals that want to disarm the police. Demilitarizing is not the same thing.
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I know of no liberals that want to disarm the police. Demilitarizing is not the same thing.
This is going to shock you. I want the police to be well equipped, much more so than the criminals. However, many look like SWAT operators, or soldiers now, and employ military MRAPS and other military equipment which is very intimidating to the general populace. Their tactics have also changed. The show up with 10 or more of these men in black for sometimes very menial things. Its not good.
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This is going to shock you. I want the police to be well equipped, much more so than the criminals. However, many look like SWAT operators, or soldiers now, and employ military MRAPS and other military equipment which is very intimidating to the general populace. Their tactics have also changed. The show up with 10 or more of these men in black for sometimes very menial things. Its not good.
Something we agree on. ;D
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This is going to shock you. I want the police to be well equipped, much more so than the criminals. However, many look like SWAT operators, or soldiers now, and employ military MRAPS and other military equipment which is very intimidating to the general populace. Their tactics have also changed. The show up with 10 or more of these men in black for sometimes very menial things. Its not good.
I agree with that to a point. But those with political agendas tend to go too far. I don't want to see our police forces neutered. But I do want to see them "policed". They need to be answerable to someone, but they also need to be given sufficient leeway and resources to do their jobs. It is a fine line that I think most people would agree with. But it is the noisy fringe that gets the press, and the spotlight seeking politicians that will screw things up. We can't just say the cops are trigger happy and have to back off until we find a way to disarm the thugs and make them back off.
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I agree with that to a point. But those with political agendas tend to go too far. I don't want to see our police forces neutered. But I do want to see them "policed". They need to be answerable to someone, but they also need to be given sufficient leeway and resources to do their jobs. It is a fine line that I think most people would agree with. But it is the noisy fringe that gets the press, and the spotlight seeking politicians that will screw things up. We can't just say the cops are trigger happy and have to back off until we find a way to disarm the thugs and make them back off.
Murder and crime rates are going up all over the country because the police are afraid to engage because they may be grilled, and accused of being racist. I agree that we can not hamstring the police.
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Probably because it runs counter to the statistical data. Usually when I White guy gets shot it was a "good shoot", meaning the guy really was a criminal and was going to do harm to the cop. When the cop shoots a black guy it's a toss up. In the case of shooting Blacks there is more denying, more Blue walling and more cover-up than in the case of the White that was shot.
I'm sorry that when Whites are shot wrongly they don't get more attention, I really am sorry for the loss of innocent life. But in a society with limited resources we have to address things with priority of impact first. And the first item required is to get everyone to understand that a Black innocent life has the same value as a White innocent life. Until that happens, there will be more loss of innocent life, both black and white (and subsequently blue).
Your complete, utter capitulation to bullshit arguments about racism and its make believe crisis is like listening to a never ending rant of stupidity from Hilary. It has little to offer in terms of real world solutions, nothing much in the way of reality and zero credibility.
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Something we agree on. ;D
I'm sure there is more. The trick is finding it!
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It is important for the cops to stay better equipped than the criminals. When any punk might have an automatic weapon and or cop-killer bullets, and when gangs of punks have multiple weapons the cops need to gear up, which then obviously helps escalate an arms war.
The answer isn't to disarm the cops (or honest citizens). The answer is to disarm the criminals.
Please list the last time a criminal used a full auto to commit a crime? Also, please define what a "cop-killer" bullet is? Or are you referring to the self-defense ammo that is available to everyone for self defense?
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The answer is to disarm the criminals.
Please explain how you will identify criminals before they commit a crime. Also, please answer how you will disarm criminal that already committed a crime and who should already be disarmed. The problem is that they're criminals. They don't follow the conventions of society nor of the law.
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Please list the last time a criminal used a full auto to commit a crime? Also, please define what a "cop-killer" bullet is? Or are you referring to the self-defense ammo that is available to everyone for self defense?
It is my understanding that "cop-killer" bullets are those design to penetrate body armor. (and yes, I understand that any bullet with sufficient mass and velocity will defeat body armor... with the exception of frangible ammo.) These bullets are most definitely not the same as self-defense ammo (at least that's my understanding).
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Please explain how you will identify criminals before they commit a crime.
You can't. And, by definition, no one is a criminal before committing any crime (just don't forget that conspiracy to commit a crime is itself a crime).
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I'm sure there is more. The trick is finding it!
No doubt, especially if we talk about something other than politics!
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Please explain how you will identify criminals before they commit a crime. Also, please answer how you will disarm criminal that already committed a crime and who should already be disarmed. The problem is that they're criminals. They don't follow the conventions of society nor of the law.
They are not criminals before they commit a crime. But most criminals are repeat criminals, and once they are identified as such, they should be treated as such.
And if they are caught using a firearm on their first crime, they would be subject to lethal force. Of course though, any cop caught planting a weapon on someone he shoots must be punished similarly.
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It is my understanding that "cop-killer" bullets are those design to penetrate body armor. (and yes, I understand that any bullet with sufficient mass and velocity will defeat body armor... with the exception of frangible ammo.) These bullets are most definitely not the same as self-defense ammo (at least that's my understanding).
Your understanding is incorrect. I shoot the same ammo that the cops in my area use. It is designed to penetrate (sort of the point of shooting someone), but not go through and be a danger of hitting someone else.
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Of course though, any cop caught planting a weapon on someone he shoots must be punished similarly.
I am going to de-complicate this even more.
ANYONE committing a crime should me treated exactly the same, whether they be white, black, or even a Clinton.
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Your understanding is incorrect. I shoot the same ammo that the cops in my area use. It is designed to penetrate (sort of the point of shooting someone), but not go through and be a danger of hitting someone else.
penetrating walls and soft-tissue isn't the same thing as penetrating body armor.
we probably differentiate between hollow-point bullets and bullets designed to penetrate armor.
More useful would be for the anti-gun morons to stop lying about firearms and ammunition.
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Your complete, utter capitulation to bullshit arguments about racism and its make believe crisis is like listening to a never ending rant of stupidity from Hilary. It has little to offer in terms of real world solutions, nothing much in the way of reality and zero credibility.
Florida Cracker...is that you???
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They are not criminals before they commit a crime. But most criminals are repeat criminals, and once they are identified as such, they should be treated as such.
And if they are caught using a firearm on their first crime, they would be subject to lethal force. Of course though, any cop caught planting a weapon on someone he shoots must be punished similarly.
And with regards to firearms, they're not treated as criminals today? You know of circumstances where they are allowed to buy guns? You know of circumstances where a criminal with a firearm would not have lethal force applied to them?
Your statements make little sense.
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And with regards to firearms, they're not treated as criminals today? You know of circumstances where they are allowed to buy guns? You know of circumstances where a criminal with a firearm would not have lethal force applied to them?
Your statements make little sense.
I know of examples where repeat offenders are let off with light plea deals or released from prison only to commit more crimes.
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I believe he wants to make it more difficult to trade him/have an excuse if he continues to struggle - like Michael Sam.
I am actually boycotting the whole NFL this year, will tell you how it goes.
'Gimp
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I know of examples where repeat offenders are let off with light plea deals or released from prison only to commit more crimes.
So you fault the judges and the prisons for not keeping people in jail more?
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I believe he wants to make it more difficult to trade him/have an excuse if he continues to struggle - like Michael Sam.
The problem is, if he does blame poor performance on a distraction from this, it's a distraction that he brought onto himself.
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So you fault the judges and the prisons for not keeping people in jail more?
I fault the judges and the legislatures for putting/keeping too many of the wrong people in jail.
I don't fault the prisons any more than I fault the guns.
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I believe he wants to make it more difficult to trade him/have an excuse if he continues to struggle - like Michael Sam.
I am actually boycotting the whole NFL this year, will tell you how it goes.
'Gimp
I'm doing the same thing. The NFL has become nothing more than a liberal, PC, ghetto-thug embracing arm of the progressive left, not to mention allowing the feminization of football. It's turning into the NBA with pink shoes and pink sweat bands.
I'm becoming a pilot sponsor of our CAF Wing's PT-26, so I'll have better things to do on Sundays, like fly a Warbird.
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So you fault the judges and the prisons for not keeping people in jail more?
Add in prosecutors who drop the gun charge right off the bat, and yes, I blame the system for the rampant recidivism that is making our major cities into war zones.
Gun charges are federal charges and require mandatory minimum sentences, and we just can't have that if we want to have a revolving door to get the thugs out of jail asap so our statistics look more "humane," right?
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I'm just going to disengage from this now ......
Shouldn't be hard. From reading most of your post it appears you are disengaged most of the time anyways.
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I'm guessing he is terrified of being out of the spotlight with the end of his playing career right on top of him. People who live for the attention, come to need it as badly as meth users need more meth.
Choosing bad publicity just to get publicity is typical of people with that problem.
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I fault the judges and the legislatures for putting/keeping too many of the wrong people in jail.
I blame the system for the rampant recidivism that is making our major cities into war zones.
The problem in the US, summed in two sentences.
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The problem in the US, summed in two sentences.
Relax, cowboy. If you think I believe this is the primary or only problem, you are way off base. And you should have shown my second paragraph for context.
The inner city black community in particular is at the root of this mess.
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I was talking about two people seeing the same problem and drawing completely opposite conclusions. One says the problem is too many /wrong type of people in jail, the other is that the people aren't held long enough.
The core problem has nothing to do with the justice system.
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I was talking about two people seeing the same problem and drawing completely opposite conclusions. One says the problem is too many /wrong type of people in jail, the other is that the people aren't held long enough.
The core problem has nothing to do with the justice system.
Ah, OK. My mistake.
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I was talking about two people seeing the same problem and drawing completely opposite conclusions.
One says the problem is too many /wrong type of people in jail,
the other is that the people aren't held long enough.
I don't see those statements as mutually exclusive.
Too many of the wrong people are in jail for the wrong things.
Too many people that need to be locked up for a long time, aren't.
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I don't see those statements as mutually exclusive.
Too many of the wrong people are in jail for the wrong things.
Too many people that need to be locked up for a long time, aren't.
I read it as one person saying that we put too many people in jail for too long and the other saying we don't keep in them in there long enough.
Guess it's another example of where English is imprecise.
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I read it as one person saying that we put too many people in jail for too long and the other saying we don't keep in them in there long enough.
Guess it's another example of where English is imprecise.
Or maybe its a case of imprecise reading.
I wrote I fault the judges and the legislatures for putting/keeping too many of the wrong people in jail.
You read we put too many people in jail for too long
Did you intentionally not read the part where I said "of the wrong people"?