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Title: The confirmation vote
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
Let's see, Heitkamp committed political suicide by announcing her no vote.  She's toast come November.  Same with McCaskill, she just ended her senate career.

Murkowski is waffling being the RINO that she's known for.  The flake?  Who knows?

Now we have this:  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/breaking-gop-senator-steve-daines-will-not-be-available-for-saturday-vote-on-judge-kavanaugh/

 
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Rush on October 04, 2018, 07:14:38 PM
They're going to work on Saturday? The horror!
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 04, 2018, 08:07:58 PM
Flake is polishing his liberal credentials for his next gig which will be on msnbc with the other pansie ex-republican, scarborugh.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 05, 2018, 02:36:55 AM
It looks like Senator Cornyn has some work to do as the whip. I think Senators Flake, Murkowski, and Collins will end up voting yes along with Joe Manchin. By my math, that will be enough to confirm Judge Kavanaugh even without Daines. You can't really blame Daines for not being there, either, since it's his daughter's wedding that's probably been planned for well over a year. It's definitely going to be a tight vote and there's no room for any defections.

I wonder what the chances are of McConnell pushing to Sunday or Monday to give Daines a chance to get back?
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Rush on October 05, 2018, 06:59:21 AM
I'd go to my daughters wedding too if I were him. This might be a stupid question but I guess there's no such thing as an absentee vote? He can't vote via FaceTime or Skype during the reception?  For that matter why do they have to do it Saturday and not wait til Monday? Do they fear the yeses will turn into noes?  I guess so, more accusations will come out of the woodwork over the weekend.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: nddons on October 05, 2018, 07:37:23 AM
Seems like yet another miscalculation by McConnell. You kind of think Whip John Cornyn would have, oh I don’t know, taken attendance when he was whipping the votes for this nominee. 

McConnell has been pretty good in this fight, unlike his previous work where it seemed he would rather be the minority leader.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Lucifer on October 05, 2018, 07:45:29 AM
Murkowski is a no.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: nddons on October 05, 2018, 08:23:16 AM
Manchin was a yes.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 05, 2018, 09:18:16 AM
I'm pretty sure Pence will be there to vote if the need arises.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Dweyant on October 05, 2018, 09:36:27 AM
I'm pretty sure Pence will be there to vote if the need arises.

Without Daines Pence can't vote (would then be an odd number.

However last I heard they are saying they could keep the vote open until Saturday night late for Daines so he can take a flight back to D.C. and vote.  He has already said he is a yes.

-Dan
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 05, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
Flake finds his spine.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/10/05/flake-reveals-vote-kavanaugh/
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 05, 2018, 11:46:23 AM
Flake finds his spine.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/10/05/flake-reveals-vote-kavanaugh/

It’s all theater now.
The communists (democrats ) don’t have the votes to block him but there is such a great opportunity to control the discussion by masturbating in public until after the confirmation is complete.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: nddons on October 05, 2018, 12:13:11 PM
It’s all theater now.
The communists (democrats ) don’t have the votes to block him but there is such a great opportunity to control the discussion by masturbating in public until after the confirmation is complete.
I’m not quite there being comfortable yet. I’m concerned Flake may find out that Kavanaugh actually clipped his fingernails at his office desk in 2005, which of course would render Kavanaugh unfit for office.

Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: nddons on October 05, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
National Review has an interesting article today about suggesting that Lisa Murkowski should “Pair no” with Sen. Daines’ “Paired yes” vote, thus effectively reducing the denominator to 98, not 100.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 05, 2018, 12:18:54 PM
A whole bunch of senators are looking at Rassmussen's newest poll, which shows President Trump at 51% approval combined with a huge increase in people who identify as VERY INTERETSED in Judge Kavanaugh, both up from yesterday and way up from a month ago, and realizing that they might join Heidkamp and McCaskill on the list of FORMER senators if they continue to play their game of lies.

I was polled last night. An 'independent' polling firm was push polling and called my cell phone, which surprised me. The questions were purportedly about support, or disapproval of President Trump, but swerved rapidly into questions about the confirmation and approval of various Florida politicians and their public statements about Judge Kavanaugh.

The pollster did comment that she was tunned at how many people said they strongly supported Judge Kavanaugh and would factor the behavior of our state politicos in our voting choices next month.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 05, 2018, 12:19:55 PM
National Review has an interesting article today about suggesting that Lisa Murkowski should “Pair no” with Sen. Daines’ “Paired yes” vote, thus effectively reducing the denominator to 98, not 100.

Murkowski comes from multiple generations of corruption. She fits right in with garbage like Senator snow-Flake.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Lucifer on October 05, 2018, 12:27:43 PM
Collins is droning on and on.  She is enjoying the spot light, again.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 05, 2018, 12:31:10 PM
I’m not quite there being comfortable yet. I’m concerned Flake may find out that Kavanaugh actually clipped his fingernails at his office desk in 2005, which of course would render Kavanaugh unfit for office.

The crowds of “protestors” are greatly reduced from yesterday which is another signal that it’s all done.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 05, 2018, 12:35:37 PM
The Dems have expended huge amounts of political and media capital on this deal. I suspect they are going to see a very big negative ROI for all their work. The #Walkaway numbers are just one indication that the hearings have had a disastrous effect on some long time lefties. The 'imagine if this were your spouse, or son' have been well thought out by libs, seeing that Trump is in power, should he choose to start playing dirty.

All the senators looked like fools, but the ones on the left looked like damn fools. Questioning beer pong, fart jokes from the 80s, demanding the FBI involvement, then getting the FBI, and it all adds up to a giant nothingburger. That's gonna leave a mark.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: nddons on October 05, 2018, 01:04:17 PM
I’m going to get this shirt:
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Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 05, 2018, 01:05:26 PM
Collins is a yes
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 05, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Collins is a yes

It took her about an hour to just say yes.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 05, 2018, 01:07:00 PM
Murkowski says no.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 05, 2018, 01:49:06 PM
Collins is droning on and on.  She is enjoying the spot light, again.
Her speech was spot on. She laid out every argument that the opposition has made and then stated why it's wrong. She laid into the Democrats for their clear attempts to destroy a person with a lack of corroboration.

I didn't agree with her comments on abortion, but otherwise a very good speech.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 05, 2018, 01:49:55 PM
Murkowski says no.
She voted no to invoke cloture, unless she just came out in the last 5 minutes and said she's a no on the final vote. She's likely a no on confirmation, but I haven't seen anything (yet) that says that.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 05, 2018, 01:56:29 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lisa-murkowski-declares-brett-kavanaugh-160946240.html

Rely on Yahoo at my peril! This is all I have right now.  8)

Appears to have been swayed by the Inuits and other native tribes who don't care for conservative views because they are large consumers of state handouts. She is in until 2022, so has insulation, and her gov and lt gov are both whack jobs, who fell into the job by accident.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 05, 2018, 02:15:36 PM
I think she's likely to be a no. I'm hoping, though not holding my breath, that after Collins' speech it'll sway Murkowski to vote yes. Her reasoning for voting no makes no sense. It's very weird to say that he's a good man (which a rapist is not) but that he's not the right man for the court at this time. If he's a good man, and you question the allegations made against him, why would you not vote for him?
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: bflynn on October 05, 2018, 04:29:35 PM
Murkowski says no.

That’s funny, I didn’t hear that. What I heard was “I don’t think I want to be a republican senator anymore”.

You guys do realize that if either of the two Dems are throwing a head fake and therefore Daines does not come back, this goes down, right?
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 05, 2018, 04:50:52 PM
I gar on tee Pence will be in attendance. Trump isn't going to trust either any of the Dems.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Old Crow on October 05, 2018, 06:03:01 PM
The crowds of “protestors” are greatly reduced from yesterday which is another signal that it’s all done.
Their paychecks bounced...
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 05, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
Her speech was spot on. She laid out every argument that the opposition has made and then stated why it's wrong. She laid into the Democrats for their clear attempts to destroy a person with a lack of corroboration.

I didn't agree with her comments on abortion, but otherwise a very good speech.
Yes, that speech is an excellent civics lesson.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 06, 2018, 12:41:13 AM
That’s funny, I didn’t hear that. What I heard was “I don’t think I want to be a republican senator anymore”.

You guys do realize that if either of the two Dems are throwing a head fake and therefore Daines does not come back, this goes down, right?
I thought about this as well. Collins made it perfectly clear she's a yes and Manchin has released a statement saying he's a yes. Flake has also said he's a yes unless something changes. Flake is the one I'd watch out for. I'm not sure who the second Democrat you're referring to is since Manchin is the only one who's said he's voting for Kavanaugh.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 06, 2018, 04:04:50 AM
I think if Flake thinks he can submarine the nomination he would vote "no" in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Anthony on October 06, 2018, 04:31:31 AM
I think if Flake thinks he can submarine the nomination he would vote "no" in a heartbeat.

Totally agree.  The guy is an opportunist, and media whore.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 06, 2018, 04:55:35 AM
I think if Flake thinks he can submarine the nomination he would vote "no" in a heartbeat.
He said that unless something changes he intends to vote for Kavanaugh. Nothing significant has changed and I'm willing to bet McConnell may have assigned him some handlers to ensure he isn't influenced by others, including protestors in elevators.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 06, 2018, 01:02:03 PM
Vote underway.  50-48 Kavanaugh confirmed.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2018, 01:06:14 PM
Congratulations Justice Kavanaugh.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on October 06, 2018, 01:08:07 PM
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Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Old Crow on October 06, 2018, 01:24:44 PM
Congratulations Supreme Court Associate Justice Kavanaugh.  You have handled yourself very well throughout this process and may you serve long and well.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 06, 2018, 01:52:45 PM
Cue the George Soros paid rioters...
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 06, 2018, 02:03:25 PM
Maybe Ginsburg will stroke out this year.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 06, 2018, 02:12:01 PM
Maybe Ginsburg will stroke out this year.


Why wish that on anyone?
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Rush on October 06, 2018, 02:15:56 PM

Why wish that on anyone?

Stroke out and die peacefully in sleep, yes. Stroke out and live a drooling paralytic for 17 years, no, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 06, 2018, 02:37:08 PM

Why wish that on anyone?

Ok, apology just for you, and for extra credit, a nice heartwarming story.

Timmy grew up in a loving family, with mom and pop, and Gramma living together with his little dog Spunky. He's a happy, fun child and does well in school and finally goes to state college. He calls home after being in college for a few weeks, and his father gets on the phone and tells the boy; "Spunky died". Well, Timmy didn't like the way his dad told him and said; "Dad, you aren't supposed to just blurt it out like that. You are supposed to work up to it, and soften the blow. Dad said: "What are talking about?" Timmy said, here - like this; "It was a warm sunny afternoon. The birds were chirping, and the grass was green. Spunky and I were playing toss in the yard with the Frisbee and he was wagging his tail, and yipping, and we were all having great fun. We went to the dog park and he got to run with his favorite best bud - Sammy. Then we went home, and mom cooked a big baked ham and gave Spunky the bone, and he was just in heaven! Chewing that bone and laying next to the warm fire in the fireplace. Sadly, as Spunky went to sleep, he yipped from missing you so, and laid his head down, and gently went to sleep and never woke up. He had such a great day". His dad said ok, he was sorry, and they said goodbyes and hung up.

A few months go by, and Timmy calls home, and mom answers and they talk, talk, talk about things at home, and if Timmy has a girlfriend and how's his classes. Finally Timmy asks to chat with dad, so she hands him the phone: "Hi dad? How's it going? Dad pauses for a minute....

"It was a warm sunny afternoon. The birds were chirping, and the grass was green. Gramma and I were playing toss in the yard with the Frisbee..."
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2018, 03:04:18 PM
Stroke out and die peacefully in sleep, yes. Stroke out and live a drooling paralytic for 17 years, no, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

If she assumes room temperature, the dink’s will do a “Weekend at Bernie’s” with her, put on the dark sunglasses and sit her on the bench.

She wouldn’t really look all that different from right now.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 06, 2018, 03:54:03 PM
If she assumes room temperature, the dink’s will do a “Weekend at Bernie’s” with her, put on the dark sunglasses and sit her on the bench.

She wouldn’t really look all that different from right now.

How would anyone know the difference?
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 06, 2018, 03:58:10 PM
Because democrats (the communists) need someone to blame for everything that fails to please them, they are apparently attacking the creepy porn lawyer, Avenetti for the confirmation of Judge Kavanugh.

     THIS is why Democrats did NOT want Michael Avenatti to get involved in this fight. Collins is specifically citing Swetnick's "gang rape" accusation as something that made her think she needed to give Kavanaugh the benefit of the doubt.
    — Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) October 5, 2018

    I wonder if the Swetnick fiasco will have the same effect on Michael Avenatti that the Roy Moore disaster did on Steve Bannon.
    — Brit Hume (@brithume) October 5, 2018

    In WaPo telling, Jane Mayer, Ronan Farrow, and Michael Avenatti ended up helping the Kavanaugh confirmation effort. https://t.co/U9F3LIZ4Xa pic.twitter.com/BoJBisqbKJ
    — Byron York (@ByronYork) October 6, 2018

CNN's breaking news editor, Kyle Feldscher, took a swing at Avenatti - blaming him for Kavanaugh's confirmation in a tweet which reads: "Hard to state how much Avenatti’s entrance into this process hurt the Democratic effort to bring down Kavanaugh’s nomination." (h/t Josh Caplan @ Breitbart)

    Hard to state how much Avenatti's entrance into this process hurt the Democratic effort to bring down Kavanaugh's nomination. https://t.co/tcofogweNo
    — Kyle Feldscher (@Kyle_Feldscher) October 5, 2018

Avenatti responded: "You are right. I should have turned my back on my client. Told her to “shut up” and stay quiet because people like you apparently believe assault victims are to blame. This line of thinking is disgusting and offensive to all survivors. And it makes lawyers not want to help them."

    You are right. I should have turned my back on my client. Told her to “shut up” and stay quiet because people like you apparently believe assault victims are to blame. This line of thinking is disgusting and offensive to all survivors. And it makes lawyers not want to help them.
    — Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) October 5, 2018


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-06/michael-avenatti-turns-radioactive-liberals-blame-porn-lawyer-kavanaugh-nomination
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 06, 2018, 04:45:51 PM
Avanetti for president.

mic drop  :P
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Number7 on October 06, 2018, 04:49:50 PM
The communist party ( democrats) are blaming the creepy porn lawyer because Greg Guyfield made a joke out of him yesterday on The Five.

Literally.

You can click the link and find Guyfield’s crack and if the link is live, you can hear him say it and watch everybody on the panel, including crooked Donna Brazille, laugh about to and go on.

I’m sure steingar will be along to confirm the real truth about avenetti and how he was a republican secret agent working behind the curtain to get Judge Kavanaugh confirmed.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: bflynn on October 06, 2018, 04:49:58 PM
So, guess who has already been sworn in and starts hearing cases on Tuesday?
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 06, 2018, 06:06:19 PM
Gorsuch is happy. Didn't have to spend much time on coffee/donut duty.

lolz
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: PropWash on October 06, 2018, 08:00:50 PM
Maybe Ginsburg will stroke out this year.

We can only hope!  If Trump got a third, we would see heads literally exploding
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 06, 2018, 08:15:08 PM
This filthy power grab at the expense of a good man and those he loves must NEVER be forgotten. The tale of Kavanaugh should be told down through the generations.

WalkAways are still pouring in ... loyal Dems leaving the party, though they hung in there for years ... Kavanaugh was their breaking point.

We must never forget!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/10/06/guilt-and-shame/
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 07, 2018, 01:53:08 AM
Maybe Ginsburg will stroke out this year.
What is wrong with you? Wishing ill on someone for a political gain, especially over an institution that's not only supposed to be non-partisan, but over an institution that was never meant to be as powerful as it currently is, is horrible.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Rush on October 07, 2018, 06:48:13 AM
What is wrong with you? Wishing ill on someone for a political gain, especially over an institution that's not only supposed to be non-partisan, but over an institution that was never meant to be as powerful as it currently is, is horrible.

He would not be wishing it if she would retire. It's only because she refuses to, so her death would be the only way to remove her. (Other than impeachment and I don't see that coming, not for her, maybe the left will try it for Kavanaugh though.)  Like it or not the SCOTUS is political and therefore has been drawn into the ideological battlefield. You are right, it is horrible that it has become what it is. When the stakes are this high, wishing defeat of an enemy by whatever means necessary is understandable. And wishing someone would die of natural causes is not at all the same thing as trying to kill them yourself and it's certainly not the same thing as wishing death by slow torture like some on the left are wishing for anyone on the right. One is sadistic and the other is just hoping God will hurry along what is in the near future anyway. Big difference.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2018, 07:07:20 AM
I would not wish death, nor a stroke etc. on anyone  I guess I am Virtue Signaling.  Ginsburg the Constitution hater, and Bolshevik is irrelevant now anyway.  For the first time since 1934, we have a Constitutional majority.  Thank you President Trump.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Rush on October 07, 2018, 07:29:55 AM
I would not wish death, nor a stroke etc. on anyone  I guess I am Virtue Signaling.  Ginsburg the Constitution hater, and Bolshevik is irrelevant now anyway.  For the first time since 1934, we have a Constitutional majority.  Thank you President Trump.

I must not be virtuous because I have no problem wishing death on someone. But most of the time it's because death would be a mercy such as when Dad was a vegetable in the nursing home. Death per se is not a bad thing.

In any case none of us has cause to judge what anyone else wishes in their own head. What you are actually protesting is that they typed it out into an Internet forum or otherwise communicated it to others. Then it becomes a little different because it may influence others to something not so benign. But even so, free speech and all.

Agree, thank you President Trump!
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Little Joe on October 07, 2018, 07:56:57 AM
To those that "would not wish death on anyone" I have a question:

How can you sleep knowing that EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE?

The only thing to debate is WHEN we wish them to succumb.  I don't think 85 is too soon.  For some people, earlier is better.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Rush on October 07, 2018, 08:18:45 AM
To those that "would not wish death on anyone" I have a question:

How can you sleep knowing that EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE?

The only thing to debate is WHEN we wish them to succumb.  I don't think 85 is too soon.  For some people, earlier is better.

When and how.  Yep.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 07, 2018, 10:46:59 AM
He would not be wishing it if she would retire. It's only because she refuses to, so her death would be the only way to remove her. (Other than impeachment and I don't see that coming, not for her, maybe the left will try it for Kavanaugh though.)  Like it or not the SCOTUS is political and therefore has been drawn into the ideological battlefield. You are right, it is horrible that it has become what it is. When the stakes are this high, wishing defeat of an enemy by whatever means necessary is understandable. And wishing someone would die of natural causes is not at all the same thing as trying to kill them yourself and it's certainly not the same thing as wishing death by slow torture like some on the left are wishing for anyone on the right. One is sadistic and the other is just hoping God will hurry along what is in the near future anyway. Big difference.
I would hope people wouldn't wish death on a sitting Supreme Court justice for any reason. She is still capable of performing her duties, and is in good health so far as everyone knows (whether or not you agree with her decisions is not the same as her being capable of performing them).

It also doesn't "have" to come to anything. Decency can prevail and people can wish that she retire, but wishing for her death is extreme. It's very difficult to claim that conservatives are on the right side when they are wishing for the death of someone for political purposes. Conservatives rightly decry the left for their "the ends justify the means" mentality, and yet that is exactly what I am seeing here. We can be better, as conservatives, as Americans, and as people.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 07, 2018, 10:48:54 AM
I must not be virtuous because I have no problem wishing death on someone. But most of the time it's because death would be a mercy such as when Dad was a vegetable in the nursing home. Death per se is not a bad thing.
Death is most certainly not always a bad thing, and in some cases hoping that someone passes peacefully so they are no longer in pain is not a bad thing, either. But this isn't what we're talking about. You're hoping that a sitting Supreme Court justice, and a fellow American, has a stroke and dies so the right can get a political gain. I disagree with that completely.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 07, 2018, 10:50:49 AM
To those that "would not wish death on anyone" I have a question:

How can you sleep knowing that EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE?

The only thing to debate is WHEN we wish them to succumb.  I don't think 85 is too soon.  For some people, earlier is better.
You are changing the narrative. This isn't about whether or not people will die, because of course they will. It's the manner and timing in which people are hoping for and the reasons they're hoping for the death.

"I hope RBG dies of a stroke so the right can get another Supreme Court justice" is not the same as "one day RBG will die".
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Lucifer on October 07, 2018, 10:52:45 AM
And I disagree with people using sex smear allegations with flimsy to no evidence for political gain. And using those same smears to permantly damage an individual.

Yet, we have some “conservatives” see it as a means to an end if it works for them.

Fuckin’ hypocrites.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 07, 2018, 01:48:54 PM
And I disagree with people using sex smear allegations with flimsy to no evidence for political gain. And using those same smears to permantly damage an individual.

Yet, we have some “conservatives” see it as a means to an end if it works for them.

Fuckin’ hypocrites.
Which conservatives are we talking about? Because I don't know of any conservatives that think a sex smear tactic is appropriate.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on October 07, 2018, 06:22:47 PM
Conservatives rightly decry the left for their "the ends justify the means" mentality, and yet that is exactly what I am seeing here. We can be better, as conservatives, as Americans, and as people.
Why do I have  thoughts of  Redcoats vs Patriots?
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: nddons on October 07, 2018, 09:52:23 PM
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Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2018, 06:43:16 AM
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Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 09, 2018, 02:03:59 PM
What is wrong with you? Wishing ill on someone for a political gain, especially over an institution that's not only supposed to be non-partisan, but over an institution that was never meant to be as powerful as it currently is, is horrible.

OK, I was going to let this go, but I guess you've touched a nerve. First, I apologized to another poster, and maybe you should consider it a full apology. Next, you are stawman extending what the words of my post said: You have accused me of "wishing ill on someone..." Now read what I wrote exactly: "MAYBE Ginsburg will stroke out this year.". Do you see that as a wish? Did I say anything like; 'I hope...' or 'I want...' or 'If only...' or 'Can't wait until...' etc. If you are reading into my 'maybe' by ascribing some motivation to ill will then that's on you, not me.

Having said that, I will admit that Ginsburg is not a person I want on the bench. For purely political reasons. I consider her unsuited for the job, and partisan in the extreme. Finally, if you feel guilty about your own thoughts or desires, I think it would be best to look inside you, and try to figure out why you are so sensitive to losing a highly partisan member of a supposedly(so you say) impartial structure of our govt.

maybe
adverb

Synonyms and Antonyms of maybe

it is possible

    maybe we can make it to the concert, if we hurry

Synonyms of maybe

conceivably, mayhap, perchance, perhaps, possibly
Words Related to maybe

likely, probably

certainly, doubtless, sure, surely, undoubtedly

assumably, presumably, presumedly, supposably, supposedly
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 09, 2018, 02:06:17 PM
He would not be wishing it if she would retire. It's only because she refuses to, so her death would be the only way to remove her. (Other than impeachment and I don't see that coming, not for her, maybe the left will try it for Kavanaugh though.)  Like it or not the SCOTUS is political and therefore has been drawn into the ideological battlefield. You are right, it is horrible that it has become what it is. When the stakes are this high, wishing defeat of an enemy by whatever means necessary is understandable. And wishing someone would die of natural causes is not at all the same thing as trying to kill them yourself and it's certainly not the same thing as wishing death by slow torture like some on the left are wishing for anyone on the right. One is sadistic and the other is just hoping God will hurry along what is in the near future anyway. Big difference.

Please try to not get my head. It's crowded enough in here already.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: bflynn on October 09, 2018, 02:28:01 PM
I consider her unsuited for the job, and partisan in the extreme.

I believe a lot of people do.

But I also believe that disagreement with an individual's life view is not necessarily a disqualification.  RBG has a particular experience and view point in life which makes her care about different things than you and I.  Disagreement must not mean automatic condemnation.

Thank the high road my friend.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 09, 2018, 02:35:16 PM
I believe a lot of people do.

But I also believe that disagreement with an individual's life view is not necessarily a disqualification.  RBG has a particular experience and view point in life which makes her care about different things than you and I.  Disagreement must not mean automatic condemnation.

Thank the high road my friend.

Allow me to re-phrase. I consider her unsuited for the job BECASUSE she is partisan in the extreme.

Now I have provided clearer justification for my reason, which you may or may not agree. As for 'thank the high road', I'm not sure what that means. If it's in reference to my desire for a conservative court, may I point out that we just went through an extremely partisan attack from the LEFT just trying to get a jurist seated. When the left moves to the center, I'll consider doing the same. Y'all first.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Little Joe on October 09, 2018, 03:07:53 PM
Allow me to re-phrase. I consider her unsuited for the job BECASUSE she is partisan in the extreme.
Did you see her at Kavinaugh's swearing in ceremony?  She looked like one of the poor, slobbering, catatonic dementia ridden souls that I remember seeing while visiting my Grandfather in the nursing home about 50 years ago.  In fact, she may have been one of them.  I'm not saying I want her to die  because I disagree with everything she stands for.  She looked miserable, and I would hope that her end will be quick and painless.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2018, 03:22:05 PM
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Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 09, 2018, 03:43:39 PM
Saw a video of a recent interview with her.  She can barely speak. If you look up her Wikipedia page, she’s had several extremely serious medical conditions. She said that being a Justice helps her to keep her mind focused on something besides her physical condition.

Really, I feel for her.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 09, 2018, 03:44:08 PM
What troubles me more than anything about the Ginsburg controversy is that she decided like many others to risk staying on the bench during the 2016 campaign thinking that Clinton had it locked up and she could retire with the surety that Clinton would elect a far-left Ginsburg 2.0. Once Trump was elected, and before inauguration she KNEW that an interim appt was never, ever going to be allowed to go through. It was a disaster from a political perspective as she now had to wait at least 4 years before a chance to retire with grace and dignity.

To be completely blunt(without wishing ill of her), she should have retired during the Obama admin, and been done with it. But no,,, she stayed on trying to get a woman's election as her siren song. Thankfully, Trump wrecked her grand plan, and has been a hagbag since Nov '16. Her actions have been COMPLETELY partisan since Trump election and it is the saddest commentary on impartial judicial bias since the Hugo Black KKK scandal.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2018, 04:40:53 PM
RBG screwed up.  Like most progressives, she was sure Felonious Von Pantsuits was going to win, and she could have had Felonious replace her with another far left nutjob.  So she waited.  Oops.

 Had she retired under BHO, that seat would be far left for another generation.

 So now RGB knows if she leaves, Trump will replace her with a conservative.  She will try to hang in there till 2020, unless God fires her first.  And of course if Trump is reelected, little chance of her waiting him out another 4 years.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: Anthony on October 09, 2018, 04:41:49 PM
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She looks like a character from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy in that picture.  Ugh.  My precious...…...
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: LevelWing on October 10, 2018, 12:02:00 PM
OK, I was going to let this go, but I guess you've touched a nerve. First, I apologized to another poster, and maybe you should consider it a full apology. Next, you are stawman extending what the words of my post said: You have accused me of "wishing ill on someone..." Now read what I wrote exactly: "MAYBE Ginsburg will stroke out this year.". Do you see that as a wish? Did I say anything like; 'I hope...' or 'I want...' or 'If only...' or 'Can't wait until...' etc. If you are reading into my 'maybe' by ascribing some motivation to ill will then that's on you, not me.
Okay, I'll bite. What other way was there to read that? Because taken in context, that's certainly how it reads.

Having said that, I will admit that Ginsburg is not a person I want on the bench. For purely political reasons. I consider her unsuited for the job, and partisan in the extreme. Finally, if you feel guilty about your own thoughts or desires, I think it would be best to look inside you, and try to figure out why you are so sensitive to losing a highly partisan member of a supposedly(so you say) impartial structure of our govt.
What I take exception to is the idea that it's somehow acceptable to hope that a fellow American who has served her country, and with which you have a political disagreement with, would die for the sake of another party getting that seat. I've been clear and consistent with my stance on this, so it's certainly not my thoughts or desires.

As for your "so you say" comment, I refer you to Federalist Number 78, written by Alexander Hamilton. Now, before I go further, I'll note and acknowledge that Federalist Papers are not law. But as you're probably aware, they're looked to quite often to derive the founder's intent with regards to many facets of our government; the judiciary is no exception. In Federalist No. 78, Hamilton argues that the judiciary is meant to be the weakest branch. He goes on to write about independence of the judiciary:

Quote from: Federalist No. 78/Alexander Hamilton
And it proves, in the last place, that as liberty can have nothing to fear from the judiciary alone, but would have every thing to fear from its union with either of the other departments; that as all the effects of such a union must ensue from a dependence of the former on the latter, notwithstanding a nominal and apparent separation; that as, from the natural feebleness of the judiciary, it is in continual jeopardy of being overpowered, awed, or influenced by its co-ordinate branches; and that as nothing can contribute so much to its firmness and independence as permanency in office, this quality may therefore be justly regarded as an indispensable ingredient in its constitution, and, in a great measure, as the citadel of the public justice and the public security.
Title: Re: The confirmation vote
Post by: invflatspin on October 10, 2018, 12:43:29 PM
Okay, I'll bite. What other way was there to read that? Because taken in context, that's certainly how it reads.

What I take exception to is the idea that it's somehow acceptable to hope that a fellow American who has served her country, and with which you have a political disagreement with, would die for the sake of another party getting that seat. I've been clear and consistent with my stance on this, so it's certainly not my thoughts or desires.

As for your "so you say" comment, I refer you to Federalist Number 78, written by Alexander Hamilton. Now, before I go further, I'll note and acknowledge that Federalist Papers are not law. But as you're probably aware, they're looked to quite often to derive the founder's intent with regards to many facets of our government; the judiciary is no exception. In Federalist No. 78, Hamilton argues that the judiciary is meant to be the weakest branch. He goes on to write about independence of the judiciary:

Uh - no. I gave the synonyms, and similar words. None of them show a contextual equivalence to 'wishing' or hope, or desire, or anything that shows a bias. Again, if you see maybe as a 'wish' that's on you, not me. I meant what I wrote, and wrote what I meant. Maybe she will, maybe she won't. If she does, Trump gets another appt. QED

As for the judicial  being the weakest segment of the triumvirate, he has his wish. The exec and legislative exert far, far more import on the direction and every day lives of the electorate than the judiciary. When the bench is in the news, it's typically actual news. The exec, and congress are in the news cycle every day. SCOTUS are the adults in the room between a president, and congress insuring that neither of those two gets the upper hand. However, the kids have made a fine mess over the years by dumping all their crap into the republic. To whit: A president issuing a "proclamation"? WTF? That isn't his job, and way, way out of bounds for an exec of a republic. Congress writing unequal taxation code? Yes they did. It took three tries, but they finally got unequal taxation past the SCOTUS(much to our detriment). Starting wars in far off lands that have no bearing on the US defense, exempting fed employees from regulations, etc.