Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 28, 2016, 07:34:05 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-curmi-/a-revision-on-the-bill-of_3_b_9772428.html
Just unbelievable ???
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2016, 07:54:22 PM
"The main problem with the notion of self-defense is it imposes on justice, for everyone has the right for a fair trial. Therefore, using a firearm to defend oneself is not legal because if the attacker is killed, he or she is devoid of his or her rights."Well, he got one part of one sentence correct:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-curmi-/a-revision-on-the-bill-of_3_b_9772428.html
Just unbelievable ???
"A gun for civilians is a weapon for a revolution..."
Unfuckingbelievable.
Post by: Dav8or on April 28, 2016, 08:59:21 PM
Post by: LevelWing on April 28, 2016, 10:27:42 PM
Post by: Anthony on April 28, 2016, 11:49:28 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 29, 2016, 02:22:20 AM
I don't really believe that the anti-gun morons care about the rights of criminals, it's all about getting rid of guns.
Post by: Anthony on April 29, 2016, 03:36:39 AM
My impression is that the anti-gun morons will latch onto any position to try to get rid of guns.
I don't really believe that the anti-gun morons care about the rights of criminals, it's all about getting rid of guns.
It is about getting rid of legally owned guns owned by law abiding citizens. They are fine with the gang bangers, and drug dealers have illegally owned guns, as they are victims of society. We are just white privileged, undeserving bigots
Post by: LevelWing on April 29, 2016, 04:39:46 PM
Getting rid of guns would allow for easier control of the population. That's always been the agenda of the left, they just use tragedies and gun crime statistics (however skewed they may be) to bolster their case.
It is about getting rid of legally owned guns owned by law abiding citizens. They are fine with the gang bangers, and drug dealers have illegally owned guns, as they are victims of society. We are just white privileged, undeserving bigots
Post by: JeffDG on April 29, 2016, 04:53:36 PM
The entire purpose of the Bill of Rights is to prevent the government from interfering with rights. Me shooting some bastard dumb enough to rob my house is not at state action, and does not impugn said dumb bastard's rights under the Bill of Rights in any way.
Same goes for if I tell you to leave your gun at home if you come and visit me (I won't, but I have every right to do so on my property) or telling you to shut the fuck up in my home does not infringe your 1st Amendment Rights. Same way I can require you to offer a sacrifice to the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Sauce Be Upon Him) before our meal without infringing the establishment clause.
Post by: Mase on April 29, 2016, 05:33:17 PM
The leftists fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of the Bill of Rights.
No. They don't. They know the bill of rights in particular and the Constitution generally, are restrictions on the power of government. THAT is why they try persistently, consistently, without fail, to undermine them.
Post by: JeffDG on April 29, 2016, 05:49:42 PM
No. They don't. They know the bill of rights in particular and the Constitution generally, are restrictions on the power of government. THAT is why they try persistently, consistently, without fail, to undermine them.That may be true for the leaders of the left.
However, the ordinary sheep that follow bleating along don't understand any of it.
Post by: LevelWing on April 29, 2016, 06:03:47 PM
No. They don't. They know the bill of rights in particular and the Constitution generally, are restrictions on the power of government. THAT is why they try persistently, consistently, without fail, to undermine them.
That may be true for the leaders of the left.I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. The few radical progressive leftists that truly understand the Constitution understand that it is a government limiting document. They use the media to get to the people to spread their agenda under the guise of stopping tragedies (it's all about the children).
However, the ordinary sheep that follow bleating along don't understand any of it.
Post by: bflynn on April 30, 2016, 05:46:30 PM
The leftists fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of the Bill of Rights.
No. They don't. They know the bill of rights in particular and the Constitution generally, are restrictions on the power of government. THAT is why they try persistently, consistently, without fail, to undermine them.
Actually, they do misunderstand. I think we have proof of that in the other thread.
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=post;quote=13292;topic=768.15 (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=post;quote=13292;topic=768.15)
You do realize that absent the 14th Amendment, the 1st Amendment does not apply to any actions of a state government, right?
No one right enumerated in the Constitution is absolute.
Here are two people on the left who believe 1) That the Bill of Rights does not apply to a State Govt and 2) the Bill of Rights can be abridged at any time and to any extend. Those two things kind of prove that they don't understand that the Constitution implements restrictions on government. Restrictions that come and go or don't apply aren't restrictions.
Post by: JeffDG on April 30, 2016, 05:52:38 PM
Here are two people on the left who believe 1) That the Bill of Rights does not apply to a State Govt and 2) the Bill of Rights can be abridged at any time and to any extend. Those two things kind of prove that they don't understand that the Constitution implements restrictions on government. Restrictions that come and go or don't apply aren't restrictions.
First, I'm on the left? Really?
Second: Let's just go with the low-hanging fruit, the 1st Amendment...it begins with "Congress shall make no law..." It expressly does not apply to state governments. This is a simple plain-language reading.
The Supreme Court has applied the concept of "substantive due process", based wholly on the 14th Amendment, to incorporate the Bill of Rights against the States. Personally, I would have chosen to do the same via the "Privileges or Immunities" clause of the 14th Amendment, but the Supreme Court basically repealed that clause in the Slaughterhouse Cases back in the 19th Century.
All of that said, the Bill of Rights would not apply to State actions but for the 14th Amendment.
Post by: Kristin on April 30, 2016, 09:24:14 PM
That may be true for the leaders of the left.
However, the ordinary sheep that follow bleating along don't understand any of it.
That is also true for the ordinary right wing sheep who know just enough about the Constitution to make fools of themselves.