PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on January 01, 2022, 06:01:22 PM
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This is long but mind blowing. I cannot believe I am siding with a left wing environmental wacko on so many of the things he is saying.
I don’t totally discount what the other guy says though. Some of his statements are correct. He does COMPLETELY miss the point about “anti-vaxers”.
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long? oy, 95 minutes is waaaaay longer than I was prepared to spend. Even with the 1.5x or 1.75x speed up
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long? oy, 95 minutes is waaaaay longer than I was prepared to spend. Even with the 1.5x or 1.75x speed up
I cannot just sit and watch any of these videos. I pipe them into my hearing aids while I cook or clean or iron shirts or bake cookies like a good little deplorable wife scorned by Hillary.
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I just don’t watch videos about scientific information. It takes too long and it is very hard to find references.
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I just don’t watch videos about scientific information. It takes too long and it is very hard to find references.
Basically RFKJr says vaccines do more harm than good and the other guy says the opposite.
But RFKJr said something I hadn't ever thought of before. When we get childhood diseases we have lifelong immunity, but that seems to be dependent on the fact that when our kids get the diseases, that acts like a booster for us in adulthood. Specifically chicken pox. You get it as a kid, then as an adult you are exposed to other kids that have chicken pox, giving your immune system a boost, then you DON'T get shingles as an adult. He said that shingles used to be only in grumpy old spinsters and bachelors (people who didn't like kids). But now, shingles is much more common. Kids aren't getting chicken pox because they get vaxxed now. So adults aren't getting boosted. So now we have to give adults shingles vaccines. All of this profits drug companies enormously, when we had it all under control by ourselves without them with the natural cycles of childhood diseases.
The other guy countered with how deadly those childhood diseases are and said that in America since we conquered them with vaccines, we no longer see the devastating effects and now can afford to be all anti-vax because we are ignorant of what we haven't experienced. He has a good point but presented it in a rather condescending tone.
RFKJr said but the vaccines have adjuvant ingredients such as aluminum (used to be mercury) that trigger our immune system to ramp up against the primary agent, and then it also primes our immune system to be allergic to any environmental allergen we happen across at the time, hence the explosion in peanut allergies, asthma and all sorts of other sensitivities that didn't used to be prevalent.
The other guy said yes we use the adjuvant for that purpose but you also get aluminum from the food you eat, there is no evidence that the adjuvants in vaccines causes lifelong allergies or autism or anything these "conspiracy theorists" assert.
Both sides make some good points, and the second guy isn't necessarily wrong just because he signaled contempt for "anti-vaxxers" but he seemed to just be saying "well the science says so" where as RFKJr actually referred to specific evidence. Although without links and references it's hard to follow up and verify the truth of what he said.
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Although without links and references it's hard to follow up and verify the truth of what he said.
Thanks for the summary. That is the problem with that type of presentation. I absorb scientific information at least 10X faster by reading, so stick to that.
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Thanks for the summary. That is the problem with that type of presentation. I absorb scientific information at least 10X faster by reading, so stick to that.
I have the same problem, I absorb info faster than people verbally present it. Made school excruciating when I was a kid.
But I have another problem. I seem to be addicted to absorbing information. I can’t do mundane chores without simultaneously feeding my brain, so I have to pipe audio presentations into my ears while I work. Well technically these are videos but I don’t watch them, just listen. Or I can listen to it while I engage the other half of my brain in solving killer level puzzles.
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Tucker had RFK Jr. on his show a month or two ago, respecting what he was saying about vaccines.
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While I share many of his concerns about our regulated drug industry, I have little respect for RFK, Jr. he is a known propagator of falsehoods regarding vaccines. I will not buy his book as I don’t want to reward that kind of behavior.
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Thanks for the summary. That is the problem with that type of presentation. I absorb scientific information at least 10X faster by reading, so stick to that.
I do most of my own MX and repairs on our vehicles, and much prefer to RTFM than to watch videos. Unfortunately, many manufacturers are no longer releasing service/repair manuals for their vehicles or are making them very expen$ive $ub$cription web based manuals. One vehicle I have (for which I luckily already have TFM) has now gone to subscription. $30/day, $250/mo, or $2500/yr to access the information. This will necessitate relying on youtube and others for the information.
When I have to watch a youtube, I usually take notes, and then take the notes to the garage when wrenching.
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I do most of my own MX and repairs on our vehicles, and much prefer to RTFM than to watch videos. Unfortunately, many manufacturers are no longer releasing service/repair manuals for their vehicles or are making them very expen$ive $ub$cription web based manuals. One vehicle I have (for which I luckily already have TFM) has now gone to subscription. $30/day, $250/mo, or $2500/yr to access the information. This will necessitate relying on youtube and others for the information.
When I have to watch a youtube, I usually take notes, and then take the notes to the garage when wrenching.
My God… what a racket. One more reason I will NEVER buy a new car. Still driving my ‘86 Mercedes. Thing’s gonna outlast me.
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My God… what a racket. One more reason I will NEVER buy a new car. Still driving my ‘86 Mercedes. Thing’s gonna outlast me.
You know that some features on new cars are now subscription based? You know those heated seats you paid for when you bought the car? Well, they only work for the 1st two years, after that, it's $8/mo if you want heated buns in the morning. Some are doing the same for apple carplay, want that to work in your car, subscription baby.
It's only going to get worse.
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You know that some features on new cars are now subscription based? You know those heated seats you paid for when you bought the car? Well, they only work for the 1st two years, after that, it's $8/mo if you want heated buns in the morning. Some are doing the same for apple carplay, want that to work in your car, subscription baby.
It's only going to get worse.
Yea, that's the "free market" for ya.
I would be happy with a utility vehicle, manual transmission and a AC. I don't need (or want) any computer controlled crap, a TPS, rear or forward sensors or a bunch of airbags.
But our regulations keep us from buying basic vehicles (new) that can be had in other parts of the world.
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I would be happy with a utility vehicle, manual transmission and a AC.
Closest I've found wound be a base Jeep Wrangler 2-door, stick shift, soft top, with AC. Fairly basic vehicle (no power windows, locks, seats, etc) that shouldn't be too hard to work on, but then there's the Jeep tax. They're about $32k, which is too much. If I could get a base stick shift Wrangler for $25k, I'd buy one.
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Closest I've found wound be a base Jeep Wrangler 2-door, stick shift, soft top, with AC. Fairly basic vehicle (no power windows, locks, seats, etc) that shouldn't be too hard to work on, but then there's the Jeep tax. They're about $32k, which is too much. If I could get a base stick shift Wrangler for $25k, I'd buy one.
I've been trying to talk my wife into getting an older jeep for a long time now. She only wants 97 or newer, but then only under certain number of miles. Told her that's gonna be impossible or spend a lot of money on one.
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Yea, that's the "free market" for ya.
I would be happy with a utility vehicle, manual transmission and a AC. I don't need (or want) any computer controlled crap, a TPS, rear or forward sensors or a bunch of airbags.
But our regulations keep us from buying basic vehicles (new) that can be had in other parts of the world.
This!
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Closest I've found wound be a base Jeep Wrangler 2-door, stick shift, soft top, with AC. Fairly basic vehicle (no power windows, locks, seats, etc) that shouldn't be too hard to work on, but then there's the Jeep tax. They're about $32k, which is too much. If I could get a base stick shift Wrangler for $25k, I'd buy one.
I have a 2003 Wrangler TJ Sport. Jeeps were two door back then. Five speed manual, roll up windows, manual locks and AC. About as basic as it gets. Soft top is great also. Love it.
I hate four door Jeeps. Not the order of things.
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You know that some features on new cars are now subscription based? You know those heated seats you paid for when you bought the car? Well, they only work for the 1st two years, after that, it's $8/mo if you want heated buns in the morning. Some are doing the same for apple carplay, want that to work in your car, subscription baby.
It's only going to get worse.
Tesla is great for that. Sell your Tesla and all the added features turn off and new owner has to purchase what they want.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
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You know that some features on new cars are now subscription based? You know those heated seats you paid for when you bought the car? Well, they only work for the 1st two years, after that, it's $8/mo if you want heated buns in the morning. Some are doing the same for apple carplay, want that to work in your car, subscription baby.
It's only going to get worse.
what crappy lousy car company does that? and on what cars?
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what crappy lousy car company does that? and on what cars?
Toyota. Or at least considering it.
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Toyota. Or at least considering it.
ah. Well, I try to buy American (yes, I know various car companies have plants in the ol' US of A). Toyota is most definitely not on my list of makes to consider.
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I have a 2003 Wrangler TJ Sport. Jeeps were two door back then. Five speed manual, roll up windows, manual locks and AC. About as basic as it gets. Soft top is great also. Love it.
I hate four door Jeeps. Not the order of things.
I had a 4 door. Liked it a lot. Had to sell it to get a truck to pull my camper. Wife wants a unicon jeep. Not too old, not too many miles, comfortable for long distance driving.
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I had a 4 door. Liked it a lot. Had to sell it to get a truck to pull my camper. Wife wants a unicon jeep. Not too old, not too many miles, comfortable for long distance driving.
Now THAT is a unicorn.
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ah. Well, I try to buy American (yes, I know various car companies have plants in the ol' US of A). Toyota is most definitely not on my list of makes to consider.
Toyota makes most of their cars and trucks for the U.S. market and elsewhere in the U.S. I lived ten miles from the Georgetown, KY plant for almost 4 years. They are great for the area and economy. Toyota makes some excellent vehicles. I wish they brought a real FJ40 back, not just the FJ Cruiser.
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Toyota makes most of their cars and trucks for the U.S. market and elsewhere in the U.S. I lived ten miles from the Georgetown, KY plant for almost 4 years. They were great for the area and economy. Toyota makes some excellent vehicles. I wish they brought a real FJ40 back, not just the FJ Cruiser.
When I met my husband I was driving a Toyota Corolla and he a Toyota Celica, both 1977. Those were great little cars. Not the crazy computerized nightmares of today.
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I have a 2003 Wrangler TJ Sport. Jeeps were two door back then. Five speed manual, roll up windows, manual locks and AC. About as basic as it gets. Soft top is great also. Love it.
I hate four door Jeeps. Not the order of things.
One can still order a base Jeep like yours, but they're $32k, which is too high in my opinion. A JK could be had in base model for $25k, but when Jeep came out with the JL, raised the price to $32k. I don't see the value proposition at that price.
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I loved my first car. It was an old Willys Jeep. 5 speed (I think, may have been 4 speed) manual transmission. Manual locking hubs. No windows, no doors, no top.
But I don't think I'd like it much today as I have gotten old and soft and it was not exactly comfortable.
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One can still order a base Jeep like yours, but they're $32k, which is too high in my opinion. A JK could be had in base model for $25k, but when Jeep came out with the JL, raised the price to $32k. I don't see the value proposition at that price.
Neither do I. Plus the new ones have all the computer crap and other "luxuries" mine doesn't. Most Jeeps sold are now four door. It makes me want to vomit. I may get a used JK two door at some point. The new ones SUCK. Owned by Stellantis, a conglomeration of the worst car companies in the world. Fiat, Peugeot and Chrysler. I really wish Jeep would spin off again by itself, but they've figured out that Soccer Moms, Old Ladies and idiot Fem-Boys will now buy four door Jeeps, so that will never happen.
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Old guy had this for sale a few months ago. Asked for a decent offer. Should have made him one.
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Neither do I. Plus the new ones have all the computer crap and other "luxuries" mine doesn't. Most Jeeps sold are now four door. It makes me want to vomit. I may get a used JK two door at some point. The new ones SUCK. Owned by Stellantis, a conglomeration of the worst car companies in the world. Fiat, Peugeot and Chrysler. I really wish Jeep would spin off again by itself, but they've figured out that Soccer Moms, Old Ladies and idiot Fem-Boys will now buy four door Jeeps, so that will never happen.
Speaking of Fem-Boys:
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You know that some features on new cars are now subscription based? You know those heated seats you paid for when you bought the car? Well, they only work for the 1st two years, after that, it's $8/mo if you want heated buns in the morning. Some are doing the same for apple carplay, want that to work in your car, subscription baby.
It's only going to get worse.
If I pay extra for Apple Carplay, will the war between my Ford Sync, Apple Carplay, and my hearing aids stop? It is a constant battle that I lose with one taking over during a phone call or a pod cast. Lord help me if a pair of my earbuds is in my pocket.
....not to mention the volume differences between them.
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If I pay extra for Apple Carplay, will the war between my Ford Sync, Apple Carplay, and my hearing aids stop? It is a constant battle that I lose with one taking over during a phone call or a pod cast. Lord help me if a pair of my earbuds is in my pocket.
....not to mention the volume differences between them.
My new hearing aids are “smart”. I HATE them. They are constantly fighting with my iPhone trying to tell it and me what we’re supposed to be doing and making decisions we didn’t consent to. I cannot even get them to talk to my iPad at the same time, they get all confused. I’m not going to make the mistake of trying to tie them to my car radio. I do like the rechargeable batteries though. No more messing with those tiny batteries.
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Speaking of Fem-Boys:
What's a Carhartt other than a clothing line?
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What's a Carhartt other than a clothing line?
Carhartt clothing was the rugged clothing of farmers, ranchers, construction workers and others doing outdoor shit. My daughter wore out two Carhartt jackets in her six years as a dairy veterinarian.
Now they’ve become a fashion statement, by people who only venture outdoors when they open up their car window at the Starbucks drive/up window for their No-GMO soy late or whatever the fuck they drink.
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Carhartt clothing was the rugged clothing of farmers, ranchers, construction workers and others doing outdoor shit. My daughter wore out two Carhartt jackets in her six years as a dairy veterinarian.
Now they’ve become a fashion statement, by people who only venture outdoors when they open up their car window at the Starbucks drive/up window for their No-GMO soy late or whatever the fuck they drink.
That's sad, and an indication of where our society has gone.
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Carhartt clothing was the rugged clothing of farmers, ranchers, construction workers and others doing outdoor shit. My daughter wore out two Carhartt jackets in her six years as a dairy veterinarian.
Now they’ve become a fashion statement, by people who only venture outdoors when they open up their car window at the Starbucks drive/up window for their No-GMO soy late or whatever the fuck they drink.
Cultural appropriation! Where's the outrage?
Urban soy drinkers appropriating rural working people's culture.
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Cultural appropriation! Where's the outrage?
Urban soy drinkers appropriating rural working people's culture.
Exactly!
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Carhartt clothing was the rugged clothing of farmers, ranchers, construction workers and others doing outdoor shit. My daughter wore out two Carhartt jackets in her six years as a dairy veterinarian.
Now they’ve become a fashion statement, by people who only venture outdoors when they open up their car window at the Starbucks drive/up window for their No-GMO soy late or whatever the fuck they drink.
Thanks!! I'm glad I'm in a rural environment where people wear clothes that fit their jobs vs. the urban fashion statements.
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Many years ago when the Navy Pea coats were the rage I was talking with a guy who was wearing one. A lady walking by was all enamored by his coat and asked him how much it cost. He said 'Four years'.
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Thanks!! I'm glad I'm in a rural environment where people wear clothes that fit their jobs vs. the urban fashion statements.
What clothing fits the job of someone that sits at home in front of their computer?
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What clothing fits the job of someone that sits at home in front of their computer?
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What clothing fits the job of someone that sits at home in front of their computer?
Pajamas and no bra.
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Pajamas and no bra.
The last time I wore a bra was Halloween, circa 1960. I wore a skirt too, and I was never more self conscious in my life.
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Pajamas and no bra.
So where is that "this thread is useless without pictures" emoji. ;)
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So where is that "this thread is useless without pictures" emoji. ;)
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So where is that "this thread is useless without pictures" emoji. ;)
Yeah, I want to see the picture from Little Joe’s 1960 Halloween party.
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Yeah, I want to see the picture from Little Joe’s 1960 Halloween party.
So we have a deal? Lol