PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jaybird180 on December 11, 2020, 06:53:02 AM
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The article and comments are certainly interesting.
http://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/faa-reviewing-whether-pilots-can-take-covid-vaccine/
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Does anybody here fly anymore or just post?
;D
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Flew last Saturday, will maybe get out Sunday.
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Should have about 150 hours for the year. RV-12, RV-9A, J3, and 1 hour in a Citation V (right seat).
-Dan
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The article and comments are certainly interesting.
http://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/faa-reviewing-whether-pilots-can-take-covid-vaccine/
Hi JB! Nice to see you again.
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Does anybody here fly anymore or just post?
;D
We do have a section called “Pilot Zone.” Check it out. Could it be more robust? Yes, so start putting in content!
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At the moment, there's nothing to be considered. The FDA has not approved the vaccine yet, but I suspect it's coming soon.
The stance I expect is that while experimental drugs are no bueno, an approved vaccine will be allowable. As always, any future side effects will be judged on a case by case basis.
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Our partnership sold our Warrior two years ago. Have not flown since then, although I've been invited to join the club that bought it. Problem is I would not be able to take it on trips. I do not fly to bore holes in the sky. The club has had the engine rebuilt and many thousands of dollars of new electronics put in the plane. My Basic Med is up to date. I have had access to an Arrow offered to me. Using my money for other things currently.
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Does anybody here fly anymore or just post?
;D
Just returned from a flight about an hour ago. Had a couple of cylinders replaced on the Bo and took it up for a test flight. Was prepared to take whatever action I needed to keep CHTs under 450, but the new cylinders never got over 370.
If I want to talk flying, I generally go to a real aviators board. I use this board for politics. I gave The Pilots Place a shot but they are even worse than this place is. (I'm not talking about everyone here. Just a few special ones).
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At the moment, there's nothing to be considered. The FDA has not approved the vaccine yet, but I suspect it's coming soon.
The stance I expect is that while experimental drugs are no bueno, an approved vaccine will be allowable. As always, any future side effects will be judged on a case by case basis.
Based on what Steingar said (he does know virology) the Astra Zeneca one is a no go for me. Also I won't be taking the Pfizer one because of the alleged allergic reactions, because I've had anaphylaxis before. So that leaves the Moderna one for me. If I decide to get one.
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If I want to talk flying, I generally go to a real aviators board.
Where would that be found?
I gave The Pilots Place a shot but they are even worse than this place is. (I'm not talking about everyone here. Just a few special ones).
I thought the sole purpose of that board was so the owner could have his own "last" thread?
And agreed on the Pilot's Place, the aviation content sucks there.
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Speaking of the COVID vaccine, here's what I don't understand.
There is a lot of discussion about what to do about all those people that don't want to take the vaccine. They are even talking about PAYING people to get it. Yet, there are already a lot of questions regarding the logistics and availability of sufficient vaccine. That is why they are prioritizing who gets it? Healthcare workers? First Responders? Nursing home attendants and residents? Elderly?
So if there isn't enough to go around, then perhaps we should prioritize those that actually want to take the vaccine? The only compensation for getting the vaccine should be that if you DO catch the disease, you will be able to receive treatment.
If someone decides NOT to get the vaccine for their own reasons, and then they catch the disease, we wish them luck, but that was their choice and the government or their insurance won't pay. (of course, they can pay for treatment themselves, even if they have to sell their house and car and kids). We will reach herd immunity either way; through immunizations, recovery or Darwin. We are due for a good thinning of the herd anyway.
The non-treatment option would not apply to people that didn't get it for legitimate reasons, like allergies.
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Where would that be found?
The type specific boards. I used to visit the Cessna Pilot board, but now I go to Beechtalk for anything important, aviation-wise. They're not perfect, but they are worth the price of admission.
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Speaking of the COVID vaccine, here's what I don't understand.
There is a lot of discussion about what to do about all those people that don't want to take the vaccine. They are even talking about PAYING people to get it. Yet, there are already a lot of questions regarding the logistics and availability of sufficient vaccine. That is why they are prioritizing who gets it? Healthcare workers? First Responders? Nursing home attendants and residents? Elderly?
So if there isn't enough to go around, then perhaps we should prioritize those that actually want to take the vaccine? The only compensation for getting the vaccine should be that if you DO catch the disease, you will be able to receive treatment.
If someone decides NOT to get the vaccine for their own reasons, and then they catch the disease, we wish them luck, but that was their choice and the government or their insurance won't pay. (of course, they can pay for treatment themselves, even if they have to sell their house and car and kids). We will reach herd immunity either way; through immunizations, recovery or Darwin. We are due for a good thinning of the herd anyway.
The non-treatment option would not apply to people that didn't get it for legitimate reasons, like allergies.
If you fly should you be "on your own" if you get injured?
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Just returned from a flight about an hour ago. Had a couple of cylinders replaced on the Bo and took it up for a test flight. Was prepared to take whatever action I needed to keep CHTs under 450, but the new cylinders never got over 370.
If I want to talk flying, I generally go to a real aviators board. I use this board for politics. I gave The Pilots Place a shot but they are even worse than this place is. (I'm not talking about everyone here. Just a few special ones).
What “real aviators board” exists?
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Speaking of the COVID vaccine, here's what I don't understand.
There is a lot of discussion about what to do about all those people that don't want to take the vaccine. They are even talking about PAYING people to get it. Yet, there are already a lot of questions regarding the logistics and availability of sufficient vaccine. That is why they are prioritizing who gets it? Healthcare workers? First Responders? Nursing home attendants and residents? Elderly?
So if there isn't enough to go around, then perhaps we should prioritize those that actually want to take the vaccine? The only compensation for getting the vaccine should be that if you DO catch the disease, you will be able to receive treatment.
If someone decides NOT to get the vaccine for their own reasons, and then they catch the disease, we wish them luck, but that was their choice and the government or their insurance won't pay. (of course, they can pay for treatment themselves, even if they have to sell their house and car and kids). We will reach herd immunity either way; through immunizations, recovery or Darwin. We are due for a good thinning of the herd anyway.
The non-treatment option would not apply to people that didn't get it for legitimate reasons, like allergies.
Kind of getting snotty about vaccines a little quickly, aren’t you?
I’m not an anti-vaxxer by any means. With your wife and my daughter as vets, we get some good insight into virology and vaccines.
However, I also don’t buy serial number 1 of anything. Since the average time to develop a vaccine is 10 years, many of us might wait a few months to see how our species handles it.
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Based on what Steingar said (he does know virology) the Astra Zeneca one is a no go for me. Also I won't be taking the Pfizer one because of the alleged allergic reactions, because I've had anaphylaxis before. So that leaves the Moderna one for me. If I decide to get one.
I don’t think there is any allergic reaction information yet on the Moderna vaccine. It and the Pfizer vaccine are both mRNA that code for the Covid-19 spike protein. The delivery systems clearly differ, and allergic reactions may be due to the lipid nanoparticle the mRNA is placed in, or to contaminants left over after filtration. The UK had two people who had severe anaphylactic reactions following the injection of the Pfizer vaccine. They are currently recommending people with such histories not take the Pfizer vaccine.
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Speaking of the COVID vaccine, here's what I don't understand.
There is a lot of discussion about what to do about all those people that don't want to take the vaccine. They are even talking about PAYING people to get it. Yet, there are already a lot of questions regarding the logistics and availability of sufficient vaccine. That is why they are prioritizing who gets it? Healthcare workers? First Responders? Nursing home attendants and residents? Elderly?
So if there isn't enough to go around, then perhaps we should prioritize those that actually want to take the vaccine? The only compensation for getting the vaccine should be that if you DO catch the disease, you will be able to receive treatment.
If someone decides NOT to get the vaccine for their own reasons, and then they catch the disease, we wish them luck, but that was their choice and the government or their insurance won't pay. (of course, they can pay for treatment themselves, even if they have to sell their house and car and kids). We will reach herd immunity either way; through immunizations, recovery or Darwin. We are due for a good thinning of the herd anyway.
The non-treatment option would not apply to people that didn't get it for legitimate reasons, like allergies.
I think you don't quite understand why the prioritization of who receives the vacinnation first (I could be wrong - wouldn't be the first time - would't be the last). I can't speak about other states, but Massachusetts has published the reasoning (those most at risk and/or most vulnerable to serious consequences).
Why even prioritize? Massachusetts initially gets about 300,000 doses of the pfizer vaccine. We have 7 million people in the state. How would you decide who gets the first doses. I don't like a lot about what maskachusetts has done wrt covid-19, this prioritization scheme makes sense to me.
In maskachusetts, we seems to have the infrastructure needed for distribution (adequate cold storage is available at 75 of 77 maskachusetts hospitals and the distribution mechanisms for other vaccines is well established). The consideration here is when all the doses will get delivered.
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Kind of getting snotty about vaccines a little quickly, aren’t you?
I think you don't quite understand why the prioritization of who receives the vacinnation first (I could be wrong - wouldn't be the first time - would't be the last).
I probably didn't explain myself very well. But as Bob said, wouldn't be the first time.
My issue is my outrage at the idea of paying people to get vaccinated when we don't have enough vaccines for the people they are trying to prioritize or the people that want it. Everything else I said was just rambling.
But I still think if you "choose" not to get vaccinated, then that IS YOUR choice. You live (or die) with it. If I'm not mistaken, that is a central theme of a lot of us around here. Choices have consequences.
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I probably didn't explain myself very well. But as Bob said, wouldn't be the first time.
My issue is my outrage at the idea of paying people to get vaccinated when we don't have enough vaccines for the people they are trying to prioritize or the people that want it. Everything else I said was just rambling.
But I still think if you "choose" not to get vaccinated, then that IS YOUR choice. You live (or die) with it. If I'm not mistaken, that is a central theme of a lot of us around here. Choices have consequences.
ok... so perhaps the concept of paying someone should be reserved for when "we" run out of willing recipients.
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ok... so perhaps the concept of paying someone should be reserved for when "we" run out of willing recipients.
I might consider that, when the time comes, IF it seems necessary. But I have already heard some people say they would wait till the government decides to pay us to get the vaccination.
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https://www.al.com/news/2020/12/1500-payment-proposed-for-people-who-get-covid-19-vaccine.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/12/01/proposal-pay-americans-1000-to-get-covid-vaccine/?sh=60d8abd764bf
There are dozens of proposals like this out there.
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I might consider that, when the time comes, IF it seems necessary. But I have already heard some people say they would wait till the government decides to pay us to get the vaccination.
<sigh> that is of course a problem with government payments. Kind of like unemployment benefits... many recipients magically find work when the benefits run out.
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I probably didn't explain myself very well. But as Bob said, wouldn't be the first time.
My issue is my outrage at the idea of paying people to get vaccinated when we don't have enough vaccines for the people they are trying to prioritize or the people that want it. Everything else I said was just rambling.
But I still think if you "choose" not to get vaccinated, then that IS YOUR choice. You live (or die) with it. If I'm not mistaken, that is a central theme of a lot of us around here. Choices have consequences.
I don't even trust the data that says the vaccine even works.
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I don't even trust the data that says the vaccine even works.
just to be a bit contrarian... do you trust the data that says there could be an allergic reaction?
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I don't even trust the data that says the vaccine even works.
How many affidavits affirming it works would be needed to prove to you a vaccine works?
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How many affidavits affirming it works would be needed to prove to you a vaccine works?
I know the question wasn't directed at me, but here is my answer.
My decision to take it or not has less to do with my belief that it works, than it does with my concerns about possible side effects.
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Based on what Steingar said (he does know virology) the Astra Zeneca one is a no go for me. Also I won't be taking the Pfizer one because of the alleged allergic reactions, because I've had anaphylaxis before. So that leaves the Moderna one for me. If I decide to get one.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/26/moderna-vaccine-candidate-trial-participant-severe-reaction/
Well that’s that. I’m not getting any of them.
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just to be a bit contrarian... do you trust the data that says there could be an allergic reaction?
Yep. But you don’t need data for that. Anything could cause an allergic reaction. The vaccine might just be higher or lower likelihood than any other random thing.
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I am not afraid of the Covid Virus. I am in good health and I believe I've already had it. Not against vaccines, as I've had them as a kid and usually get a Flu shot each year. I just don't trust this one, plus the government wants it so it has to be wrong. They can NOT make me get one, I will defend myself if I have to.
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https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/26/moderna-vaccine-candidate-trial-participant-severe-reaction/
Well that’s that. I’m not getting any of them.
He was one of three people in the trial that had an adverse reaction. I don't know how many people were in the trial, but I suppose three is a miniscule fraction. I wonder how many people don't go outdoors because they read about someone getting hit by lightning. Or how many quit flying because someone died in a plane crash somewhere.
I'm wary of potential side effects. But this doesn't meet my criteria for concern. But then again, I have never suffered an anaphylactic reaction.
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How many affidavits affirming it works would be needed to prove to you a vaccine works?
None. I’d have to look at the raw data. That’s all the affidavits would be testifying to anyway, that they saw the data.
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I am not afraid of the Covid Virus. I am in good health and I believe I've already had it. Not against vaccines, as I've had them as a kid and usually get a Flu shot each year. I just don't trust this one, plus the government wants it so it has to be wrong. They can NOT make me get one, I will defend myself if I have to.
Then you should not be forced to get one. And you should not be paid $1,500 (or even $15) to get one. But it's been argued that employers have the right to fire someone that refuses to get it, and I would think that stores and restaurants could win a case if they required proof of vaccine before people enter their premises.
We all get to make our own decisions. The tradeoff is that we have to live with those decisions.
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https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/26/moderna-vaccine-candidate-trial-participant-severe-reaction/
Well that’s that. I’m not getting any of them.
He was in Phase 1.
Know what that entails? This:
Primary Goal: Dose-ranging on healthy volunteers for safety
Dose: Often subtherapeutic, but with ascending doses
Typical number of participants: 20–100 normal healthy volunteers
Notes: Determines whether drug is safe to check for efficacy.
(quoting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_clinical_research (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_clinical_research))
The article states there were only 45 subjects in that phase, which appears consistent with the wikipedia info.
No question he got a large dose and reacted accordingly. No doubt they used lower doses in phases 2 and 3 and few or no such strong adverse reactions occurred in the Phase 3 trials, which invloved 10s of thousands of subjects. Phase 1 reactions aren't indicative of the reactions from final doses used. A pity he "came forward" since phase 1 is actually designed to locate upper tolerable limits.
That said, do what you consider safe for yourself. If you do not have any risk-increasing comorbidities but have a higher than usual chance of allergic reaction to a vaccine, then declining may be best.
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How many affidavits affirming it works would be needed to prove to you a vaccine works?
For me, it’s not number of affidavits, it’s time.
As I think Joe said below, it’s a side affect concern. I’ll take a few tens of millions get the vaccine before I consider it. Not because it may not work - it’s just a shot - it’s whether the side effects would kill me.
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Then you should not be forced to get one. And you should not be paid $1,500 (or even $15) to get one. But it's been argued that employers have the right to fire someone that refuses to get it, and I would think that stores and restaurants could win a case if they required proof of vaccine before people enter their premises.
We all get to make our own decisions. The tradeoff is that we have to live with those decisions.
I can live with all of that. However, If my employer wants to force something to be injected into me as a condition of employment, unilaterally changing a bilateral contract, then they are going to have a problem. I did not sign up for that when I signed on.
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“White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine Friday or submit his resignation
White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows on Friday told Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, to submit his resignation if the agency does not clear the nation’s first coronavirus vaccine by day’s end, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss what happened.
The threat came on the same day that President Trump tweeted that the FDA is “a big, old, slow turtle” in its handling of vaccines, while exhorting Commissioner Stephen Hahn to “get the dam vaccines out NOW.” He added: “Stop playing games and start saving lives!!!”
It also led the FDA to accelerate its timetable for clearing America’s first vaccine from Saturday morning to later Friday, according to two people familiar with the process who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters.”
Full story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/11/trump-stephen-hahn-fda-covid-vaccine/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/11/trump-stephen-hahn-fda-covid-vaccine/)
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that'll put the liberals in a pickle..... won't it?
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Then you should not be forced to get one. And you should not be paid $1,500 (or even $15) to get one. But it's been argued that employers have the right to fire someone that refuses to get it, and I would think that stores and restaurants could win a case if they required proof of vaccine before people enter their premises.
We all get to make our own decisions. The tradeoff is that we have to live with those decisions.
Coercion 101
Mark of the Beast, baby.
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I can live with all of that. However, If my employer wants to force something to be injected into me as a condition of employment, unilaterally changing a bilateral contract, then they are going to have a problem. I did not sign up for that when I signed on.
"Employment at will."
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"Employment at will."
I have a contract. The fine print says nothing about vaccines or "other related healthcare issues".
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Why even prioritize? Massachusetts initially gets about 300,000 doses of the pfizer vaccine. We have 7 million people in the state. How would you decide who gets the first doses. I don't like a lot about what maskachusetts has done wrt covid-19, this prioritization scheme makes sense to me.
Interestingly, Florida with ~22 million people is getting less than 180,000 doses. Perhaps our Republican Governor only requested or authorized that many. I don't know what goes into the allocation formula.
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Interestingly, Florida with ~22 million people is getting less than 180,000 doses. Perhaps our Republican Governor only requested or authorized that many. I don't know what goes into the allocation formula.
I was under the impression that some group at the Federal level was doing the allocation.
and below is just some wild speculation... I haven't yet taken the time to "research" the allocation process
Some possible factors for the initial allocation could be (1) cold storage capacity, (2) established vaccine distribution capability, and (3) severity of the pandemic.
Maskachusetts is #3 in the country in deaths/million... and being #1 is *not* a good thing.
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The vaccine is being politicized now. What a fuckin' circus.
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The vaccine is being politicized now. What a fuckin' circus.
now?
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now?
Go fuck yourself Bob. I’m getting real tired of your constant picking at how people use words in replies.
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Go fuck yourself Bob. I’m getting real tired of your constant picking at how people use words in replies.
hugs and kisses to you
My point was that the vaccine was politized a long time ago.
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hugs and kisses to you
My point was that the vaccine was politized a long time ago.
Gee, no shit.
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Y'all are violently agreeing with each other.
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They must be married to each other... ;D
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Fuck you Anthony!
(Premptive strike)
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Fuck you Anthony!
(Premptive strike)
They must be married to each other... ;D
So you guys thought Lucifer's "Go fuck yourself Bob" comment was funny?
I'm wondering if Bob thought that too? It's hard to tell because I haven't seen him since then.
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So you guys thought Lucifer's "Go fuck yourself Bob" comment was funny?
I'm wondering if Bob thought that too? It's hard to tell because I haven't seen him since then.
I didn’t. I was trying to defuse tension. But maybe I should have stayed out of it. I think we are all on edge.
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I didn’t. I was trying to defuse tension. But maybe I should have stayed out of it. I think we are all on edge.
I thought your comment was appropriate. That was why I didn't quote you as one that thought it was funny.
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I thought your comment was appropriate. That was why I didn't quote you as one that thought it was funny.
Oh. Here I thought I was one of the guys. I’m hurt, I tell you, hurt. ;D
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So you guys thought Lucifer's "Go fuck yourself Bob" comment was funny?
I'm wondering if Bob thought that too? It's hard to tell because I haven't seen him since then.
Nope. Didn't see any humor. Actually, I thought somehow mikey had hacked lucifer's account.
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Why do we need a vaccine? Aren't masks/social distancing/shutdowns effective?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpKHN2aXIAINtDi.jpg)
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Welcome to the Pfizer vaccine
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I have a family member permanently affected by Bell's Palsy, half his face is permanently drooped and paralyzed.
No thanks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda-staff-recommends-watching-for-bells-palsy-in-moderna-and-pfizer-vaccine-recipients.html
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I have a family member permanently affected by Bell's Palsy, half his face is permanently drooped and paralyzed.
No thanks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda-staff-recommends-watching-for-bells-palsy-in-moderna-and-pfizer-vaccine-recipients.html
According to an article in Practical Neurology cited by Wikipedia, Bell’s Palsy occurs with a frequency of 1 to 4 times per year per 10,000 people. In a test group of 30,000 for a period of 3 months (the approximate size and length of the Moderna trial) one would expect (1 to 4)*(3/12)*(30,000/10,000) cases to occur naturally. That’s 0.75 to 3 cases. There were 3 cases in the vaccine arm and 1 case in the placebo arm for a total of 4 cases in ~30,000.
The Moderna briefing document, https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download (https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download), has the details on all those cases:
“A query of specific adverse events of clinical interest in the Safety Set through November 25, 2020 demonstrated a small imbalance in the number of participants reporting Bell’s palsy (facial paralysis), with 3 vaccine recipients and 1 placebo recipient reporting this MAAE [Medically Attended Adverse Event]. One case of Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group was considered a SAE [Serious Adverse Event]; a 67-year-old female with diabetes was hospitalized for stroke due to new facial paralysis 32 days after vaccination. This case was reported as resolving. Another Bell’s palsy case in the vaccine group occurred 28 days after vaccination in a 30-year-old female who reported an upper respiratory infection 27 days prior to onset of her facial paralysis. This case was reported as resolved. An additional case of Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group was reported with the primary analysis safety data (November 25, 2020 data cutoff) and occurred 22 days after vaccination in a 72-year-old female; this event was still ongoing at the time of safety report. The case in the placebo group, reported as resolving, occurred 17 days post injection in a 52-year-old-male. Causality assessment is confounded by predisposing factors in these participants. However, considering the temporal association and biological plausibility, a potential contribution of the vaccine to the manifestations of these events of facial palsy cannot be ruled out. FDA will recommend surveillance for cases of Bell’s palsy with deployment of the vaccine into larger populations. There were no other notable patterns or numerical imbalances between treatment groups for specific categories of adverse events, including other neurologic, neuro-inflammatory, and thrombotic events, that would suggest a causal relationship to the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine.”
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I have a family member permanently affected by Bell's Palsy, half his face is permanently drooped and paralyzed.
No thanks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda-staff-recommends-watching-for-bells-palsy-in-moderna-and-pfizer-vaccine-recipients.html
40,000 people per year are affected from Bell's Palsey. (affected, not died).
300,000 people have died from COVID so far this year. Even if 3/4 of those are not really COVID caused, that means 75,000 People died FROM COVID.
And there is no proof the vaccine causes BP. There is only a very week correlation. The odds are much greater that man has caused Climate Change.
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40,000 people per year are affected from Bell's Palsey. (affected, not died).
300,000 people have died from COVID so far this year. Even if 3/4 of those are not really COVID caused, that means 75,000 People died FROM COVID.
And there is no proof the vaccine causes BP. There is only a very week correlation. The odds are much greater that man has caused Climate Change.
You are more than welcome to my dose of vaccine. I remember the last flu shot I took that made me very ill, but I was assured that it only happens in 1 out of thousands of cases. Lucky me, I was the one.
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A friend of mine, who is an International Airline pilot reported to me that some of his colleagues are trial participants. He did not report any adverse effects. I suppose the status of their medical is in question.
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The FAA approved the vaccine.
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You are more than welcome to my dose of vaccine. I remember the last flu shot I took that made me very ill, but I was assured that it only happens in 1 out of thousands of cases. Lucky me, I was the one.
I assume your last flu shot was around 1970. I got one then and it made me sick for a day too.
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A friend of mine, who is an International Airline pilot reported to me that some of his colleagues are trial participants. He did not report any adverse effects. I suppose the status of their medical is in question.
Why? The FAA is only asking for 48 hours self grounding after the vaccine. Not revocation of medicals.
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A friend of mine, who is an International Airline pilot reported to me that some of his colleagues are trial participants. He did not report any adverse effects. I suppose the status of their medical is in question.
I heard that the trial is no fly but once it’s approved by the FDA then you’re good to go.
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It’s my understanding that the approval is still under EUA. Has it been given full approval?
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It’s my understanding that the approval is still under EUA. Has it been given full approval?
I thought it had but I might be wrong.
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Articles posted in last 24 hours indicate its EUA approval.
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I assume your last flu shot was around 1970. I got one then and it made me sick for a day too.
does anyone remember the MASH episode where the 4077 got the flu?
" Hawkeye : You know that little shot you gave me for the flu?
Margaret : Yes.
Hawkeye : Well it worked. I've got it. "
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does anyone remember the MASH episode where the 4077 got the flu?
" Hawkeye : You know that little shot you gave me for the flu?
Margaret : Yes.
Hawkeye : Well it worked. I've got it. "
My company of Marines was decimated by the flu shot in 2001 or 02. It was the last vaccine I ever had.
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My company of Marines was decimated by the flu shot in 2001 or 02. It was the last vaccine I ever had.
I got one in 2016 that made me sick. The one I got in 2019 didn’t. The ONLY reason I got them was because my daughter had newborns and wouldn’t let me see them if I didn’t.
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I’ve been getting flu shots each year for the last 6 years. Never had any negative reactions. On this forum that makes me an outlier!
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I’m scheduled for the shingles vaccine next week and am scared to death of it. I’ve never had a flu shot and can’t remember ever having the flu. My mom is 93 and hasn’t had a flu shot ever. Or the shingles vaccine.
It’s just that my immune system is pretty darn precious and seems to be working fine. Don’t want to mess with it.
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I’m scheduled for the shingles vaccine next week and am scared to death of it. I’ve never had a flu shot and can’t remember ever having the flu. My mom is 93 and hasn’t had a flu shot ever. Or the shingles vaccine.
It’s just that my immune system is pretty darn precious and seems to be working fine. Don’t want to mess with it.
If you ever had Chickenpox you should definitely get the shingles vaccine. The same virus causes both, but although your immune system beat back Chickenpox, the virus can presumably lie dormant in sensory nerves and return later in life as shingles, which is more dangerous to adults than chickenpox is to children.
You should ask if you’ll be getting Zostavax or Shingrix. Shingrex appears to be the preferred vaccine.
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My mom had shingles. You don’t want it. There is a risk of permanent nerve pain. The vaccine reduces that risk. If you do get shingles it will be a milder case with less chance of the permanent neuralgia. That’s one vaccine I do get.
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I received the first dose of the new shingles shot about a year ago. About 6 months later, when I was due for the second dose I developed a mild case of shingles. It was mild in the sense that I never developed the visible sores and lesions, but I had very painful areas on myside. I had to wear loose pants and no belt. That was tricky. It even hurt when my shirt barely touched my skin. I could only sleep on one side but even the sheets on top of me hurt. Moving hurt. If this was "mild", I don't want a full blown case. I am supposed to get my second shot soon but the doctor wanted to wait a bit after my attack, and then the pandemic hit...
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I’ve been getting flu shots each year for the last 6 years. Never had any negative reactions. On this forum that makes me an outlier!
Well, my brother's sister-in-law's cousin's daughter has had flu shots every year with no reactions either, so that's two.
I'd say "me too", but this year my arm was sore for a day and I was a bit draggy. First time ever for me though.
I did find out because of health issues, I'm in category 1b for getting the covid shot. Good thing I didn't lose too much weight too quickly.
Although, I did just look it up and apparently the ideal weight for me is somewhere between 127 and 173. In cleaning out my mother's house, I found some old reports from our family doctor. Apparently when I was in 9th grade entering high school, I weighed 174.
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I received the first dose of the new shingles shot about a year ago. About 6 months later, when I was due for the second dose I developed a mild case of shingles. It was mild in the sense that I never developed the visible sores and lesions, but I had very painful areas on myside. I had to wear loose pants and no belt. That was tricky. It even hurt when my shirt barely touched my skin. I could only sleep on one side but even the sheets on top of me hurt. Moving hurt. If this was "mild", I don't want a full blown case. I am supposed to get my second shot soon but the doctor wanted to wait a bit after my attack, and then the pandemic hit...
You can put up with anything temporarily. The permanent nerve pain is what terrifies me.
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If you ever had Chickenpox you should definitely get the shingles vaccine. The same virus causes both, but although your immune system beat back Chickenpox, the virus can presumably lie dormant in sensory nerves and return later in life as shingles, which is more dangerous to adults than chickenpox is to children.
You should ask if you’ll be getting Zostavax or Shingrix. Shingrex appears to be the preferred vaccine.
I really need to get that. I got chickenpox when I was 30. Now THAT really sucked getting it as an adult.