PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on December 21, 2020, 04:29:08 PM
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You're being played again.
But the establishment appreciates your votes and will be back to see you in two years.
https://twitter.com/odonnell_r/status/1341127889962545154
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http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61964
The bipartisan $900 billion coronavirus aid bill is just one giant F-you to American taxpayers.
"Family members of unauthorized immigrants are now eligible to get stimulus checks under the $900 billion deal reached last night," the Wall Street Journal's Michelle Hackman reported Monday. "That eligibility is retroactive, so adults excluded last time could get up to $1800 now."
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I have the entire 5,593-page PDF of this monstrosity. The Republicans and Democrats can’t help themselves from raiding the public treasury (and borrowing from the Chinese and other buyers of our debt) for their pet fucking projects, knowing NO ONE WILL READ THE goddamned thing, especially 3 days before Christmas.
Fuck them all.
There’s a meme floating around that says:
“We haven’t tarred and feathered a politician in a long time, and it shows.”
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The stimulus bill won’t even help the people that really need it. They need their jobs back and their businesses to open. Not a one time crumb.
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The stimulus bill won’t even help the people that really need it. They need their jobs back and their businesses to open. Not a one time crumb.
It has nothing to do with Covid or the average citizen in flyover country.
In February expect yet another "relief bill" to pop up. The dims and the establishment can't let this crisis go to waste.
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The stimulus bill won’t even help the people that really need it. They need their jobs back and their businesses to open. Not a one time crumb.
um, clearly you don't understand... this is not a "one time crumb"
Any bets on when the next "stimulus bill" will happen?
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um, clearly you don't understand... this is not a "one time crumb"
Any bets on when the next "stimulus bill" will happen?
Feb or March.
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What was I thinking? The purpose never was to help people. It was to spend the US into complete bankruptcy.
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What was I thinking? The purpose never was to help people. It was to spend the US into complete bankruptcy.
They (politicians) have their constituents (not us) to please.
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Hearing $1B to the Smithsonian and Kennedy Center.
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https://rumble.com/vc2pid-rand-paul-explodes-on-senate-floor-over-600-covid-stimulus-checks.html?mref=23gga&mc=8uxj1
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Just read there is $4B for NYC.
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Anything for poor pilots to buy airplanes with? Maybe a PPP stimulus loan for us?
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Just read there is $4B for NYC.
Any bets on how quickly that disappears?
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$25 Million for Pakistan gender programs
$1.4B for Asia Reassurance Initiative Act
$250M in Palestinian aid
$85M to Cambodia
$700M to Sudan
$135M to Burma
$130M to Nepal
Only $600 for each American.
$500 million to Israel
$300,000,000 for Migrant and Refugee Assistance pg.. 147 DA FUQ?!
$10,000 per person for student loan bailout
$100,000,000 to NASA, because, who knows why.
$20,000,000,000 to the USPS, because why not
$300,000,000 to the Endowment for the Arts – because of it
$300,000,000 for the Endowment for the Humanities/ because no one even knew that was a thing
$15,000,000 for Veterans Employment Training / for when the GI Bill isn’t enough
$435,000,000 for mental health support
$30,000,000,000 for the Department of Education stabilization fund/ because that will keep people employed (all those zeros can be confusing, that’s $30 BILLION)
$200,000,000 to Safe Schools Emergency Response to Violence Program
$300,000,000 to Public Broadcasting / NPR has to be bought by the Democrats
$500,000,000 to Museums and Libraries / Who knows how we are going to use it
$720,000,000 to Social Security Admin / but get this only 200,000,000 is to help people. The rest is for admin costs
$25,000,000 for Cleaning supplies for the Capitol Building / I kid you not it’s on page 136
$7,500,000 to the Smithsonian for additional salaries
$35,000,000 to the JFK Center for Performing Arts
$25,000,000 for additional salary for House of Representatives
$3,000,000,000 upgrade to the IT department at the VA
$315,000,000 for State Department Diplomatic Programs
$95,000,000 for the Agency of International Development
$300,000,000 for International Disaster Assistance
$90,000,000 for the Peace Corp pg. 148
$13,000,000 to Howard University pg. 121
$9,000,000 Misc. Senate Expenses pg. 134
$100,000,000 to Essential Air carriers pg. 162. This of note because the Airlines are going to need billions in loans to keep them afloat ($100,000,000 is chump change.)
$40,000,000,000 goes to the Take Responsibility to Workers and Families Act This sounds like it’s direct payments for workers pg. 164
$1,000,000,000 Airlines Recycle and Save Program pg. 163
$25,000,000 to the FAA for administrative costs pg. 165
$492,000,000 to National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) pg. 167
$526,000,000 Grants to Amtrak to remain available if needed through 2021 pg. 168 (what are the odds that doesn’t go unused) Hidden on page 174 the Secretary has 7 days to allocate the funds & notify Congress
$25,000,000,000 for Transit Infrastructure pg. 169
$3,000,000 Maritime Administration pg. 172
$5,000,000 Salaries and Expensive Office of the Inspector General pg. 172
$2,500,000 Public and Indian Housing pg. 175
$5,000,000 Community Planning and Development pg. 175
$2,500,000 Office of Housing
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Here's the 6 senators that voted no.
Blackburn (TN),
Cruz (TX),
Johnson (WI),
Lee (UT),
Paul (KY),
Scott (FL)
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I have the entire 5,593-page PDF of this monstrosity. The Republicans and Democrats can’t help themselves from raiding the public treasury (and borrowing from the Chinese and other buyers of our debt) for their pet fucking projects, knowing NO ONE WILL READ THE goddamned thing, especially 3 days before Christmas.
Fuck them all.
There’s a meme floating around that says:
“We haven’t tarred and feathered a politician in a long time, and it shows.”
They have no fear of We the People any longer. It's time to change that.
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These six senators voted against this. Throw the rest out, or tar and feather them.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/why-6-gop-senators-voted-against-coronavirus-relief-bill
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These six senators voted against this. Throw the rest out, or tar and feather them.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/why-6-gop-senators-voted-against-coronavirus-relief-bill
Because they disagreed with you?
I have to beat the reality drum again when it's apparent so many prefer fantasy, but the dozen or so of you here do not represent The People.
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Because they disagreed with you?
I have to beat the reality drum again when it's apparent so many prefer fantasy, but the dozen or so of you here do not represent The People.
Um, even AOC thought it absurd to vote on such an important bill without time to review it. But she still voted for it - she characterized it as akin to “hostage taking”. She likely was not alone, but few are as vocal as her. The final bill was allegedly negotiated in private among just the major and minor party leaders of the house and senate - just four people. While parts had been debated and negotiated in public for months, much of the pork was allegedly added during the secret negotiations.
The reality is that more than a few people beyond this forum are pissed at the process, that’s the reality as I see it. Feel free to claim to be the arbiter of reality on thus forum, though.
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$10 million for gender programs in Pakistan while you call it a “covid relief bill” with us getting $600 like that will even begin to help a business shut down for a fucking year and all the employees that lost their jobs. Yeah way more than just a few on this board are pissed and that includes a lot of Democrats.
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Here's the 6 senators that voted no.
Blackburn (TN),
Cruz (TX),
Johnson (WI),
Lee (UT),
Paul (KY),
Scott (FL)
Heroes.
Tulsi Gabbard also voted against it in the House. Brave woman. She should switch parties.
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Because they disagreed with you?
I have to beat the reality drum again when it's apparent so many prefer fantasy, but the dozen or so of you here do not represent The People.
Perhaps those that voted for it didn't do it for the benefit of "The People", but rather due to their own interests.
The congress critters are supposed to represent "The People"... but do they?
" solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
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Anyone think all that money should go to foreign countries hostile to the U.S. and to ILLEGAL foreigners here?
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Scott DesJarlais
U.S. Representative , Tennessee
Last night, like most nights when Congress is in session at the end of the calendar year, was not the institution's finest hour in legislating. Since I've been elected to represent you in the House, I have railed against "omnibus" legislating. If this institution did its job the way that our rules provide, each and every year we should pass 12 separate appropriations bills that fund every aspect of the federal government. Committees would meet, oversight would be conducted over the previous year's expenditures, priorities would be authorized, and bills would be debated and amended separately and passed on their own merits. As you know, this institution doesn't and hasn't followed these rules for awhile.
For me, yesterday evening was a new low. Not only did we put the entire federal government spending for fiscal year 2021 into one bill, but we also added another COVID stimulus package as well. We had a bill before us that was 5,593 pages - $900 billion for COVID and $1.4 trillion in the omnibus. A copy of the bill was presented to us just before 2pm yesterday. We voted on the bill at 8pm last night. The world's fastest speed readers couldn't digest 5,593 pages in 6 hours, and needless to say, I couldn't either.
I could not, in good conscience, vote for bills - especially ones with this size and scope - being considered in this way. Occassionally, there may be times of extraordinary crisis or rare circumstance when it might be necessary to do things in this haphazard fashion, but last night only happened because of a lack of leadership and fortitude that is becoming all too common. We spend too much time governing based on shutdown deadlines, and not enough time doing the work that this place actually requires to spend your money wisely.
To be clear, there were a lot of things funded last night that I support and would have voted for if we had done things the right way. But, when you put together a bill like the way this one was put together, you will find a lot of money being spent on programs and initiatives that would never have survived if Congress did its job. And, as is always the case with bills like this, some of it we won't even find out about until days and weeks later because it gets slipped into the middle of 5,000 pieces of paper.
That is the reason I voted no on the bill last night. I believe that the American people deserve a better, more transparent process that what they got last night. I appreciate all of the calls, emails, and texts on this and for the continued input that you give me each and every session of Congress.
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Well, Asian carp are a problem. Other than that he’s right. ;D
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And who is supporting this crap?
you know who you are....
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This is not appearing on Tapatalk, but is this what you were posting?
Trump issuing a veto threat!
Jeannette Newman Fehr The President https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1341537886315950080?s=21
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This is not appearing on Tapatalk, but is this what you were posting?
Trump issuing a veto threat!
Jeannette Newman Fehr The President https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1341537886315950080?s=21
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This is not appearing on Tapatalk, but is this what you were posting?
Trump issuing a veto threat!
Jeannette Newman Fehr The President https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1341537886315950080?s=21
Yes.
Like a boss!
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The think that is really pissing me off about the COVID relief bill (perhaps I should have put "COVID relief bill" in a green font), is that almost all of the headlines say something along the lines of:
"Trump calls Covid relief bill unsuitable and demands bigger stimulus payments"
eg:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-covid-relief-bill-unsuitable-and-demands-congress-add-bigger-stimulus-payments/ar-BB1c9P7K?bcid=5c82ca3c0b67fb45108a0605&hcid=5fd3ba437732a5042c5fd40d
Most liberals read the headlines about Trump and accept it. They don't read that what he really hates is that most of the pork has nothing to do with COVID relief and the people that need relief aren't getting it.
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Actual title of the bill "Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021"
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Actual title of the bill "Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021"
ok. That makes more sense (in that it isn't a covid stimulus).
Don't get me wrong, the name of the bill doesn't change how much pork is in there.... but at least people shouldn't be calling it a covid stimulus bill.
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Actual title of the bill "Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021"
Only partly true. The Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2021 is a $2.3T spending bill, of which the $903B Covid Relief package was only part, along with a $1.4T general spending package.
Make no mistake, this $0.9T was passed and sold to us as a supposed COVID relief Bill.
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Only partly true. The Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2021 is a $2.3T spending bill, of which the $903B Covid Relief package with a $1.4T general spending package.
Make no mistake, this $0.9T was passed and sold to us as a supposed COVID relief Bill.
That’s what I kept hearing on the news.
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That’s what I kept hearing on the news.
Which is exactly the plan. Who could not vote for or would veto a covid relief bill? May as well call it the save the happy fluffy bunny bill. Even if covid relief is a very small part of a pork pie.
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Only partly true. The Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2021 is a $2.3T spending bill, of which the $903B Covid Relief package was only part, along with a $1.4T general spending package.
Make no mistake, this $0.9T was passed and sold to us as a supposed COVID relief Bill.
That’s correct. However, we are blessed that Congress foolishly did it in an Omnibus Bill. That brought EVERYTHING to light. Fuck them all.
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I propose we give everyone a check equal to their gross reported wages on their 2019 tax return.
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I propose we give everyone a check equal to their gross reported wages on their 2019 tax return.
just to clarify... wages, not income, right?
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This is funny. The porkulus bill is now stuck in congress, and without Trump signing it, most likely it will die.
The smug congressmen and senators thought they would get a chance to override a veto. Nice try.
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$600
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$600
We as citizens take on $7,000 more in debt so those fuckin’ bastards in congress can grace us with a check for $600.
The porkulus is yet another example of why they must all go.
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I propose we give everyone a check equal to their gross reported wages on their 2019 tax return.
Only to people that got screwed by government meddling in free enterprise.
Government pukes and "essentials" should get nothing.
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https://thelibertyloft.com/an-extended-government-shutdown-would-be-good-for-america/
An Extended Government Shutdown Would Be Good for America
Eric Wright December 26, 2020
Charlotte, N.C. – On the heels of the new COVID relief bill defeat, Democrats and Republicans continue to battle in Congress on how to get a new round of stimulus money to desperate, in-need Americans.
The problem? Democrats and some moderate Republicans tried to bury massive amounts of pork-barrel spending into the COVID bill, ending with President Trump demanding a cut in foreign aid and liberal pet projects padding the gigantic $2.3 trillion coronavirus aid and spending package.
While millions of Americans faced the risk of losing jobless benefits on Saturday and the threat of a partial government shutdown next week, Democrats were busy sending billions of dollars to countries like Burma, Cambodia, and Egypt. Liberals portrayed their $600 payments as “enough” to assist families nearing bankruptcy or homelessness back here at home in America.
Of the total $2.3 trillion, only $892 billion was for actual coronavirus relief, and the other $1.4 trillion was proportioned for regular government appropriations.
As many Americans sit at home and wonder how much of their hard-earned money these out-of-touch politicians in D.C. will return to them, they fail to understand the real issue. And that is, as a direct result of Democratic local and state policy, many have found themselves out of work, increased food and fuel prices, and local small businesses within their community either closed for good or scrambling daily to say afloat.
Meanwhile, from Congress’s halls to every gubernatorial mansion in America, politicians haven’t missed a meal or a paycheck. Even more, many political leaders have continued to live their life of luxury, and even going so far as to defy their executive and legislative orders of mask-wearing, home confinement, and social distancing.
It is high time that governments, large and small, feel the pain of everyday Americans. During the last government shutdown of 2018-2019, nine out of 15 federal departments are closed. More than 420,000 federal employees worked without pay, including agents from the FBI, ATF, DEA, CBP, and staff from the State Department, Coast Guard, IRS, and Department of Homeland Security.
According to Ziprecruiter.com, as of Dec 18, 2020, the average annual pay for a Government Employee in the United States is $63,659 a year, or $30.61 an hour. But for non-government, regular American workers, the median wage is $19.33 per hour, which translates into about $40,000 per year for a full-time, full-year worker.
During the COVID-19 pandemic, Democratic lawmakers have decimated small and large businesses, leaving millions of Americans out of work and out of luck. Meanwhile, most government workers have either kept their employment or received more congressional relief packages than working-class Americans.
Government has grown beyond control and the thoughts of our nation’s founders and the confines set forth by our Constitution. The only way for the government to begin to return to work for ordinary Americans and their families is to ensure they feel the same pain and are held to the same standard. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. It is high-time America regains her freedom. It starts with the plucking of the feathers philandering politicians who promise everything but only pads their own pockets along the way.
Reject Socialistic Scraps
For those who have strayed from your Christmas table and attempted to wrap their head around the madness contained in the new COVID-19 bill, like me, you are Godsmacked! Just listen to some of the money that today’s lame-duck liberals and wanna be conservative Congressmen and women were attempting to squander and steal from the American people.
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Trump signed the bill in order to prevent a government shutdown.
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STATEMENT FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP
As President of the United States it is my responsibility to protect the people of our country from the economic devastation and hardship that was caused by the China Virus. I understand that many small businesses have been forced to close as a result of harsh actions by Democrat-run states. Many people are back to work, but my job is not done until everyone is back to work. Fortunately, as a result of my work with Congress in passing the CARES Act earlier this year, we avoided another Great Depression.
Under my leadership, Project Warp Speed has been a tremendous success, my Administration and I developed a vaccine many years ahead of wildest expectations, and we are distributing these vaccines, and others soon coming, to millions of people. As President, I have told Congress that I want far less wasteful spending and more money going to the American people in the form of $2,000 checks per adult and $600 per child. As President I am demanding many rescissions under the Impoundment Control Act of 1974. The Act provides that, “whenever the President determines that all or part of any budget authority will not be required to carry out the full objectives or scope of programs for which it is provided, or that such budget authority should be rescinded for fiscal policy or other reasons (including termination of authorized projects or activities for which budget authority has been provided), the President shall transmit to both Houses of Congress a special message” describing the amount to be reserved, the relevant accounts, the reasons for the rescission, and the economic effects of the rescission. 2 U.S.C. § 683. I will sign the Omnibus and Covid package with a strong message that makes clear to Congress that wasteful items need to be removed.
I will send back to Congress a redlined version, item by item, accompanied by the formal rescission request to Congress insisting that those funds be removed from the bill. I am signing this bill to restore unemployment benefits, stop evictions, provide rental assistance, add money for PPP, return our airline workers back to work, add substantially more money for vaccine distribution, and much more. On Monday the House will vote to increase payments to individuals from $600 to $2,000.
Therefore, a family of four would receive $5,200. Additionally, Congress has promised that Section 230, which so unfairly benefits Big Tech at the expense of the American people, will be reviewed and either be terminated or substantially reformed. Likewise, the House and Senate have agreed to focus strongly on the very substantial voter fraud which took place in the November 3 Presidential election.
The Senate will start the process for a vote that increases checks to $2,000, repeals Section 230, and starts an investigation into voter fraud. Big Tech must not get protections of Section 230! Voter Fraud must be fixed! Much more money is coming. I will never give up my fight for the American people!
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Line item veto? I was wondering why he hasn’t done that.
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Line item veto? I was wondering why he hasn’t done that.
This is news to me. There’s no line item veto at the federal level, but I’m curious about this Act that he is invoking.
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The president is responsible for spending money allocated by Congress. If, in his opinion, the money is being spent in a illegal way, he may put a hold on the funds and then must notify Congress.
My read is that he has or intends to put a hold on at least some of the funds allocated by Congress.
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This is news to me. There’s no line item veto at the federal level, but I’m curious about this Act that he is invoking.
That’s right, I forgot. There isn’t a line item veto. Him saying he redlined some stuff sounded like he crossed them out.
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https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1343383835250200576
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Fuck you Nancy Pelosi. We know you don’t give a fuck about Americans struggling to stay afloat.
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