Post by: bflynn on May 29, 2022, 07:12:30 AM
Democrats are too focused on guns. Let's talk about violence. What are the causes of violence? Tell me if I'm full of crap (about this)
1) Disregard for law - this starts at the presidency down. Law is not viewed as something that makes the country run, it's a tool for those in power. People reinterpret the law to fit their desire and that's reiterated when progressive DAs make public statements that they won't enforce certain laws. Well if laws are invalid, then we just do whatever we want, right?
2) Egotism - there's too much self centeredness in the country and that is taught to children by schools and by culture. Angry with the pretty girls who won't talk to you? Well obviously the problem is with them, they should be killed, right? Makes society better if they are. Or, if you don't choose violence, go ahead and BECOME a pretty girl, there's always pervy teachers ready to help you self mutilate your body. Screw the rules.
3) Lack of respect - I take it as a basic concept that people who respect others don't kill them. But somewhere we left the concept of respect being due to every other human and turned it into "comply with my demands or die". I remember an old Army ad, "Respect is earned, not given". Was that an echo of the change or a cause of it? In any case, every person is due respect. Think of your worst enemy and the answer is not only yes, them too, but yes, especially them too.
What else?
I think very little of the problem is within the purview of the government or politicians to solve. But as a start, We The People have to start talking about the problem and to some extent that means (Democrat) politicians have to stop talking about guns. What's the chance they're going to listen and stop screwing this up?
Post by: Lucifer on May 29, 2022, 07:22:44 AM
The lunatic left doesn’t give a crap about violence as long as it’s a means to an end. And like the regimes before, sacrifices have to be made for the collective to seize power.
Post by: Number7 on May 29, 2022, 07:42:06 AM
The insane devotion to abortion tells you everything you need to know about the democrats.
Their ignorant insanity has spread across the country teaching the less mentally stable to lose any concept of the value of life.
Their bullshit rantings are so blatantly lies that nobody even pretends to believe them when they start babbling about a shooting.
If a democrat is speaking the only thing you know for sure is that they’re lying out their ass.
Post by: Lucifer on May 29, 2022, 07:59:17 AM
Notice how that doesn’t apply to abortion? The hypocrisy is unreal.
Post by: Anthony on May 29, 2022, 11:04:51 AM
Guns are the only thing standing in the way of the Marxist from seizing the country. That’s why the focus is on guns.
The lunatic left doesn’t give a crap about violence as long as it’s a means to an end. And like the regimes before, sacrifices have to be made for the collective to seize power.
Exactly. They are trying to ban and then make your guns illegal, so you're a Felon overnight if you don't turn in your guns.
Post by: Username on May 29, 2022, 12:32:33 PM
Exactly. They are trying to ban and then make your guns illegal, so you're a Felon overnight if you don't turn in your guns.In order to have a firearm in Illinois you need a FOID, firearms owner identification card. It is a bit of a hassle to get one. Without that, it is illegal for you to have ANY firearm. Right now the police have the ability to check any residence for the card and if the card is not there, to confiscate all guns. Right now, in Chicago. Yet they don't do that. Why? Seems they are only interested in banning, criminalizing, and confiscating firearms from the law-abiding citizen.
Post by: Rush on May 29, 2022, 12:54:38 PM
In order to have a firearm in Illinois you need a FOID, firearms owner identification card. It is a bit of a hassle to get one. Without that, it is illegal for you to have ANY firearm. Right now the police have the ability to check any residence for the card and if the card is not there, to confiscate all guns. Right now, in Chicago. Yet they don't do that. Why? Seems they are only interested in banning, criminalizing, and confiscating firearms from the law-abiding citizen.
Here is the Illinois Constitution on the subject:
ARTICLE I
SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS
Subject only to the police power, the right of the
individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)
“Subject to police power” kind of negates the entire right, doesn’t it?
Post by: Rush on May 29, 2022, 01:01:55 PM
THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS
Sec.A23.AA RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defence{ of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 29, 2022, 04:25:52 PM
§ 24. Right to bear arms. The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the state shall not be denied.
Post by: bflynn on May 29, 2022, 07:31:22 PM
Change the game and set your own rules.
Post by: Lucifer on May 29, 2022, 07:50:30 PM
Post by: Anthony on May 30, 2022, 02:55:58 AM
Post by: Rush on May 30, 2022, 03:10:45 AM
So you all just want to talk about guns. Democrats control the conversation and you’re playing their game.
Change the game and set your own rules.
Okay. The cause of this shooting was poverty, mental illness, bullying, a fatherless household and drug abuse, if what I heard is true. You’re not wrong about the three things you list being some of the causes of the breakdown of our society leading to crime and violence. But in this particular case, I think it was simply a sick individual from a sick family. A healthy prosperous society in general will minimize such dysfunctional families but they will never be eliminated completely.
You might say that’s why we need to retain the RTKABA but that’s not true. We need no justification to keep our guns. It is a god given right enshrined in the Constitution. The End.
But maybe you have a point in that pro-gun people can offer a solution to gun violence that doesn’t involve taking our guns. How could this have been avoided? The kid was bullied at school and was failing academically and his family took no action except to criticize him. They should have pulled him out of that school. They could have investigated why he was failing. Probably the classes in how evil the U.S. is and how we are all doomed because climate change gave him no hope for the future and no preparation to earn a living as a man. Speaking of men, where was his father? Feminism says we don’t need no stinking daddy around.
You’re right, the problem in this country isn’t guns.
Post by: Anthony on May 30, 2022, 03:20:32 AM
Post by: Number7 on May 30, 2022, 03:28:43 AM
fuck them... all of them.
They gave us fuckwad biden and asshole harris by criminal means.
They need people to find their testicles and tell them to fuck off and mean it.
End of story.
Post by: Rush on May 30, 2022, 03:45:26 AM
Once We the People start a discussion with the fucking democrat communists about why we should be allowed to keep our guns, the arguments lost, because fucking democrats never consider anything but their bullshit agenda of promoting the communist line. Compromise to a fucking democrat means we give up things and they demand more.\\
fuck them... all of them.
They gave us fuckwad biden and asshole harris by criminal means.
They need people to find their testicles and tell them to fuck off and mean it.
End of story.
This. You cannot win with the left using logic, facts, or morals. You must stand your ground on rights, period, not give an inch, and back it up with the very arms you’re talking about. An armed populace is the only defense against tyranny and tyranny is the left’s goal.
Post by: Rush on May 30, 2022, 04:34:05 AM
Many people, it seems, do not CARE about their children. Especially many Blacks, especially Black fathers.
“Pasty white liberals” see that, and think it is a good idea! Why tie myself to a man when I can get a sperm donor and be a proud single mother, putting my kid in daycare while I have a fulfilling career. Fathers aren’t necessary, in fact they’d only teach their sons toxic masculinity. We need to teach them the feminine virtues of agreeableness, compliance, and the art of using gossip and reputation destruction to silence enemies and control society. We will encourage our sons to get degrees in transgender studies and political science so they can wind up in a dead end bureaucratic job under a female boss - “female” defined as anyone other than a cisgender male, and be oblivious at best and contemptuous at worst of the rural rednecks - disgusting fascists! - that produce and transport our food, energy and goods to our elite urban doorstep.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 30, 2022, 05:24:16 AM
Okay. The cause of this shooting was poverty, mental illness, bullying, a fatherless household and drug abuse, if what I heard is true. You’re not wrong about the three things you list being some of the causes of the breakdown of our society leading to crime and violence. But in this particular case, I think it was simply a sick individual from a sick family. A healthy prosperous society in general will minimize such dysfunctional families but they will never be eliminated completely.
You might say that’s why we need to retain the RTKABA but that’s not true. We need no justification to keep our guns. It is a god given right enshrined in the Constitution. The End.
But maybe you have a point in that pro-gun people can offer a solution to gun violence that doesn’t involve taking our guns. How could this have been avoided? The kid was bullied at school and was failing academically and his family took no action except to criticize him. They should have pulled him out of that school. They could have investigated why he was failing. Probably the classes in how evil the U.S. is and how we are all doomed because climate change gave him no hope for the future and no preparation to earn a living as a man. Speaking of men, where was his father? Feminism says we don’t need no stinking daddy around.
You’re right, the problem in this country isn’t guns.
along those lines...
There are anti-gun people that propose ludicrous "solutions" to "gun violence". When they take the time to actually listen to why their "solutions" aren't actually solutions, their response is often along the lings of "well, you have to propose something." I utterly reject the notion that people who recognize our RTKABA are somehow responsible for proposing solutions to the misuse of firearms.
While some here may be uncomfortable with me for saying this, I believe that our RTKABA is not absolute. None of our rights are absolute. The rights of everyone are in tension with each other. If I was in need of a kidney transplant, my right to life is not so absolute that the government could require someone else to give my a kidney.
I often challenge anti-gun people to explain how my having a firearm infringes on the rights of anyone else. I have yet to encounter someone that can articulate a cogent explanation.
I guess one point of this meandering post is that we need to have the discussion include consideration of all aspects of firearm use... not just the criminal use, but all the legitimate uses. If someone wants to infringe on my rights, if someone wants to constrain my rights, they better have a justification that takes into consideration all impacts and is actually achieveable (good intentions are not sufficient). Sure, eliminating all guns would eliminate all fatalities caused by someone using a gun... but at what cost? (nevermind how completely insane it is to think that they can't possibly get all the guns). We can achieve 0 deaths by airlines by eliminating airlines. In fact, that is really the only possible way to do that.
Post by: Rush on May 30, 2022, 05:44:23 AM
along those lines...
There are anti-gun people that propose ludicrous "solutions" to "gun violence". When they take the time to actually listen to why their "solutions" aren't actually solutions, their response is often along the lings of "well, you have to propose something." I utterly reject the notion that people who recognize our RTKABA are somehow responsible for proposing solutions to the misuse of firearms.
While some here may be uncomfortable with me for saying this, I believe that our RTKABA is not absolute. None of our rights are absolute. The rights of everyone are in tension with each other. If I was in need of a kidney transplant, my right to life is not so absolute that the government could require someone else to give my a kidney.
I often challenge anti-gun people to explain how my having a firearm infringes on the rights of anyone else. I have yet to encounter someone that can articulate a cogent explanation.
I guess one point of this meandering post is that we need to have the discussion include consideration of all aspects of firearm use... not just the criminal use, but all the legitimate uses. If someone wants to infringe on my rights, if someone wants to constrain my rights, they better have a justification that takes into consideration all impacts and is actually achieveable (good intentions are not sufficient). Sure, eliminating all guns would eliminate all fatalities caused by someone using a gun... but at what cost? (nevermind how completely insane it is to think that they can't possibly get all the guns). We can achieve 0 deaths by airlines by eliminating airlines. In fact, that is really the only possible way to do that.
Well said. Although I agree with the not absolute part only in a very limited way. I know that I don’t want a paranoid schizophrenic to walk around with a gun, but actually legislating and enforcing such a thing is fraught with peril. You can make a law saying mentally sick people can’t have guns but they’ll get them as easily as any criminal if they want one. The only mentally sick people who comply with that law will be ones who wouldn’t use it to commit a crime anyway. And now you have denied that person the right to self defense. Should being a paranoid schizophrenic mean you give up the right to defend yourself against real attack?
Ideally family should police mentally sick people, take away their guns, protect them and get them treatment. But it’s far from a perfect world where families do that. I’m just not sure having government try to do it is a better answer. Anything the government restricts tends to grow in a malignant way. Maybe the best solution is for everyone to take responsibility for their own self defense. If I carry my own gun then I have a chance against the paranoid schizophrenic I encounter that has a gun.
Post by: Lucifer on May 30, 2022, 06:01:32 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 30, 2022, 02:27:23 PM
I didn't get into 2A discussions, just posted a link to Glock pistols and told one of those would have done the same amount of damage.
Post by: nddons on May 30, 2022, 04:30:51 PM
The same week 21 people died in Texas in a school shooting, approx 7500 other people died to violent crime of all types, only about 40% of it gun related. Clearly guns are not the cause of violence anymore than Toyota Corollas are the cause of drunk driving.Excellent summation of the issue.
Democrats are too focused on guns. Let's talk about violence. What are the causes of violence? Tell me if I'm full of crap (about this)
1) Disregard for law - this starts at the presidency down. Law is not viewed as something that makes the country run, it's a tool for those in power. People reinterpret the law to fit their desire and that's reiterated when progressive DAs make public statements that they won't enforce certain laws. Well if laws are invalid, then we just do whatever we want, right?
2) Egotism - there's too much self centeredness in the country and that is taught to children by schools and by culture. Angry with the pretty girls who won't talk to you? Well obviously the problem is with them, they should be killed, right? Makes society better if they are. Or, if you don't choose violence, go ahead and BECOME a pretty girl, there's always pervy teachers ready to help you self mutilate your body. Screw the rules.
3) Lack of respect - I take it as a basic concept that people who respect others don't kill them. But somewhere we left the concept of respect being due to every other human and turned it into "comply with my demands or die". I remember an old Army ad, "Respect is earned, not given". Was that an echo of the change or a cause of it? In any case, every person is due respect. Think of your worst enemy and the answer is not only yes, them too, but yes, especially them too.
What else?
I think very little of the problem is within the purview of the government or politicians to solve. But as a start, We The People have to start talking about the problem and to some extent that means (Democrat) politicians have to stop talking about guns. What's the chance they're going to listen and stop screwing this up?
Post by: nddons on May 30, 2022, 04:32:04 PM
Here is the Texas one, which seems to me to give only the state legislature the power to regulate the wearing (carrying?) of arms. Big difference seems to me. In Illinois any small town police can screw with your right. I’m no lawyer….Kind of means a Governor Beto won’t have to do a damned thing.
THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS
Sec.A23.AA RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defence{ of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.
Post by: Lucifer on May 30, 2022, 05:24:33 PM
The party that is smug they will take the house and senate in November is already capitulating to the lunatic left. You see it in comments like "We can find common ground" on the subject of "common sense gun laws".
Post by: Anthony on May 30, 2022, 06:44:40 PM
Keep a close eye.
The party that is smug they will take the house and senate in November is already capitulating to the lunatic left. You see it in comments like "We can find common ground" on the subject of "common sense gun laws".
And I'll vote against all of them I can in the primaries for real 2A candidates.
Post by: bflynn on May 31, 2022, 05:15:50 AM
This. You cannot win with the left using logic, facts, or morals. You must stand your ground on rights, period, not give an inch, and back it up with the very arms you’re talking about. An armed populace is the only defense against tyranny and tyranny is the left’s goal.
Right - but we don't need to win the gun argument, we just need to stalemate it. Meanwhile, change the script on them and start talking about violence. Take the violence away and the left's gun ban argument goes out the window. Meanwhile, everyone is safer. Isn't that a win-win?
Maybe it's too idealistic to think we can ever get the majority people to really respect each other again. Heck, there are people here who can't show respect to allies. We're all too caught up in the "Respect is earned" slogan where we only value people who align to our unstated moral code and when they don't we categorize them as sub-human. Try flipping that to "Respect is given" and practice that for a while in your life. Respect everyone, even those you disagree with, especially those you disagree with. If we could get most people to at least hear that message, life gets less nasty, brutish, and short for all of us.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 31, 2022, 05:44:35 AM
Right - but we don't need to win the gun argument, we just need to stalemate it. Meanwhile, change the script on them and start talking about violence. Take the violence away and the left's gun ban argument goes out the window. Meanwhile, everyone is safer. Isn't that a win-win?
Maybe it's too idealistic to think we can ever get the majority people to really respect each other again. Heck, there are people here who can't show respect to allies. We're all too caught up in the "Respect is earned" slogan where we only value people who align to our unstated moral code and when they don't we categorize them as sub-human. Try flipping that to "Respect is given" and practice that for a while in your life. Respect everyone, even those you disagree with, especially those you disagree with. If we could get most people to at least hear that message, life gets less nasty, brutish, and short for all of us.
wrt to respect being earned...
maybe it isn't binary. Maybe there are at least three levels... starting at neutral and earning points in either direction. I'm reasonably confdent that you encountered Naval officers that you later realized were dumber than a box of rocks and others that were indeed very good people as well as good officers. But you would still show respect to everyone, even the putz's (even if just respecting the rank).
I worked with a lot of USAF people, but I particularly remember working with a former Naval officer (don't remember the rank he had when he separated). I was impressed with the respect he gave everyone, including people he disagreed with... it wasn't just words ("Sir" or "Yes sir" or "No sir")
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2022, 06:10:34 AM
Post by: Rush on May 31, 2022, 06:13:27 AM
Right - but we don't need to win the gun argument, we just need to stalemate it. Meanwhile, change the script on them and start talking about violence. Take the violence away and the left's gun ban argument goes out the window. Meanwhile, everyone is safer. Isn't that a win-win?
Maybe it's too idealistic to think we can ever get the majority people to really respect each other again. Heck, there are people here who can't show respect to allies. We're all too caught up in the "Respect is earned" slogan where we only value people who align to our unstated moral code and when they don't we categorize them as sub-human. Try flipping that to "Respect is given" and practice that for a while in your life. Respect everyone, even those you disagree with, especially those you disagree with. If we could get most people to at least hear that message, life gets less nasty, brutish, and short for all of us.
Agree completely, with one caveat I’ll get to in a minute.
Think of the opposition as Saul that has not yet been knocked off his horse. We see evidence all around us that people can have an epiphany. If you want them to quit voting for destructive Democrats, or to abandon socialist views and move more center-right, badgering them with hate is NOT the way to do it. That only makes them dig in deeper. The way to do it is to engage in respectful discussion if they will allow it. If not, then remain respectful anyway, always model adult behavior, in contrast to the hysterical spoiled brat behavior of leftist crowds. (That’s not to say give them ground.) Be patient and allow them to figure out for themselves the connection between Biden policy and high gas prices, for example. Will Witt is really good at this, making gentle suggestions about facts and logic, and allowing people to rethink their position without hounding them for being “wrong”.
Most of them haven’t expanded their information beyond public school indoctrination and mainstream media bias, but the internet and alternative media aren’t going away despite censorship attempts and they will eventually be exposed to a different perspective. At a certain point the cognitive dissonance becomes unsustainable and they change. They might change away from leftism, or they might not change at all but suddenly realize the Democrats have moved left and no longer represent them, and begin to realize the populism part of the Republican Party is more akin to their values.
We see this happening all over the place. Candace Owens started out a liberal. Rosanne Barr was a liberal Democrat and now supports Trump, and says she didn’t change, the Democrat Party did. Bill Maher, Russell Brand, Elon Musk (all erstwhile liberal Democrats) and countless others are now coming out issue by issue saying the Democrat Party has gone way off the rails. The absolute worst thing the right can do in the face of this trend is to treat the other side with scorn, just as so many on the other side are reconsidering where they should be.
The exception I referred to is those in power, who are using ideology to control the people and consolidate a ruling class. They are beyond hope, because they are literal psychopaths who don’t believe their own bullshit but are simply using it to manipulate the world around them. They are to be mocked and scorned mercilessly and given no quarter.
Post by: bflynn on May 31, 2022, 06:18:48 AM
wrt to respect being earned...
maybe it isn't binary. Maybe there are at least three levels... starting at neutral and earning points in either direction. I'm reasonably confdent that you encountered Naval officers that you later realized were dumber than a box of rocks and others that were indeed very good people as well as good officers. But you would still show respect to everyone, even the putz's (even if just respecting the rank).
I worked with a lot of USAF people, but I particularly remember working with a former Naval officer (don't remember the rank he had when he separated). I was impressed with the respect he gave everyone, including people he disagreed with... it wasn't just words ("Sir" or "Yes sir" or "No sir")
Maybe. But that means you are still evaluating the worthiness of respect against your personal moral code and so are others. I submit what you're talking about is preference. There are a few people I don't like, but they are all due respect.
Post by: bflynn on May 31, 2022, 06:21:44 AM
If you want them to quit voting for destructive Democrats, or to abandon socialist views and move more center-right, badgering them with hate is NOT the way to do it.
Political conversion is not the goal. The goal is to get people to stop killing others.
Post by: Anthony on May 31, 2022, 06:36:55 AM
Political conversion is not the goal. The goal is to get people to stop killing others.
For the Democrats, the violence is just a tool in which to remove the last line of defense from the common Man. So, if you stop the violence, they will just introduce another lie in order to take away everyone's legally owned and used firearms. Therefore, political conversion to a more pragmatic, practical stance that respects freedom and liberty is the goal.
Post by: Rush on May 31, 2022, 07:26:46 AM
Political conversion is not the goal. The goal is to get people to stop killing others.
Oh. In that case, nevermind.
In that case respect has not much to do with it. The majority of killings are committed by criminal thugs inside blue shithole cities. The rest are mentally deranged individuals in any community and the majority of those are within families. Neither of those groups give a flip about respect. They are sociopaths and psychopaths, only out for themselves.
The odd nutbucket shooting up a school or public area out in rural flyover country is exceedingly rare. The way the media fails to report the former and focuses excessively on the latter distracts us from the actual problem and the actual solution. 21 people died in Uvalde, but over 100 people are killed by gun crime EVERY DAY in the U.S., the majority young black males killed by other young black males. Look at all the publicity Uvalde gets and how much the media ignores the daily 500% greater number.
I get the whole point of your thread is that violence is an outgrowth of the social environment we're living in. To the extent that criminal gangs (responsible for the overwhelming majority of killings) are the result of the socioeconomic environment and the decay of the nuclear family, I agree, and I've said ad nauseam that a strong prosperous economy and correcting the legacy of inner city community destruction (absence of fathers, absence of moral leaders such as pastors) is the answer to crime, as well as arming the entire community so would be victims can kill the sociopath on the spot. The only thing these monsters "respect" is deadly force.
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2022, 07:49:31 AM
Oh. In that case, nevermind.
In that case respect has not much to do with it. The majority of killings are committed by criminal thugs inside blue shithole cities. The rest are mentally deranged individuals in any community and the majority of those are within families. Neither of those groups give a flip about respect. They are sociopaths and psychopaths, only out for themselves.
The odd nutbucket shooting up a school or public area out in rural flyover country is exceedingly rare. The way the media fails to report the former and focuses excessively on the latter distracts us from the actual problem and the actual solution. 21 people died in Uvalde, but over 100 people are killed by gun crime EVERY DAY in the U.S., the majority young black males killed by other young black males. Look at all the publicity Uvalde gets and how much the media ignores the daily 500% greater number.
I get the whole point of your thread is that violence is an outgrowth of the social environment we're living in. To the extent that criminal gangs (responsible for the overwhelming majority of killings) are the result of the socioeconomic environment and the decay of the nuclear family, I agree, and I've said ad nauseam that a strong prosperous economy and correcting the legacy of inner city community destruction (absence of fathers, absence of moral leaders such as pastors) is the answer to crime, as well as arming the entire community so would be victims can kill the sociopath on the spot. The only thing these monsters "respect" is deadly force.
Uvalde!!!!!! School shooter!!! Confiscate guns!!!!!
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/weekend-shootings-memorial-day-weekend-may-27-through-31/
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CHICAGO (CBS) – At least nine people were killed and 41 others were wounded in shootings across the city over the long Memorial Day weekend. Two of the victims are under the age of 18.
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/52-people-shot-in-chicago-over-memorial-day-weekend
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CHICAGO - Chicago experienced its most violent Memorial Day weekend in five years — 10 killed, 42 wounded — despite stepped up police patrols and a focus on neighborhood programs that city officials hoped would provide peaceful alternatives.
About half of those shot were on the West Side, most of them in a single police district, the 11th, where there were two mass shootings on Sunday. On the South Side, at least 14 people were shot. And downtown, where there has been a spike in shootings all year, four people were hit by gunfire.
Oh, nothing to see here..............move along...........
Post by: Username on May 31, 2022, 09:35:37 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-9mm-guns-texas-uvalde-mass-shooting
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Recounting a visit to a New York trauma hospital, Biden said doctors showed him X-rays of gunshot wounds. "They said a .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out — may be able to get it and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body," Biden said. "So, the idea of these high-caliber weapons is, uh, there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of self-protection, hunting," Biden added. "Remember, the Constitution was never absolute. You couldn’t buy a cannon when the Second Amendment was passed," Biden said. "You couldn’t go out and purchase a lot of weaponry." "Why should we allow people to have military-style weapons including pistols with 9-mm bullets and can hold 10 or more rounds," he said.
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 31, 2022, 10:59:54 AM
We must ban all handguns 9mm and above!!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-9mm-guns-texas-uvalde-mass-shooting
"Remember, the Constitution was never absolute. You couldn’t buy a cannon when the Second Amendment was passed," Biden said.
Biden is repeating a false claim he made two years ago:
https://www.guns.com/news/2020/06/30/biden-fails-fact-check-on-revolutionary-war-cannon-ownership (https://www.guns.com/news/2020/06/30/biden-fails-fact-check-on-revolutionary-war-cannon-ownership)
Also, Article I, Section 8, the Constitution provides the following power to Congress:
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;”
A Letter of Marque and Reprisal authorizes a private person, known as a privateer or corsair, to attack and capture vessels of a nation at war with the issuer. And these private persons did so using privately owned ships bearing privately owned cannons.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 31, 2022, 11:14:49 AM
Post by: Number7 on May 31, 2022, 12:39:16 PM
the anti-gun zealots don't let facts get in the way.
Democrats live to lie.
Post by: Lucifer on June 21, 2022, 03:42:44 PM
Post by: bflynn on June 21, 2022, 04:32:14 PM
Remove guns and people will still die from violence. Remove violence and guns stop being a topic.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 21, 2022, 04:45:02 PM
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Remove guns and people will still die from violence. Remove violence and guns stop being a topic.
Post by: Anthony on June 21, 2022, 05:40:15 PM
If you keep talking about guns, you’re letting the left control the topic. You’re playing their game on their field by their rules and they only have to win once.
Remove guns and people will still die from violence. Remove violence and guns stop being a topic.
The problem is them just talking about guns is THEM. Government, MEDIA, Education, Corporate America, Social Media, Democrats etc. only focus on guns. They control the narrative and agenda. That's what we need to change. It's not gun violence but Black drug and gang violence that is the real problem.
Purely to disarm the law abiding to give THEM the ultimate power over us.
Post by: elwood blues on June 21, 2022, 05:58:49 PM
It's not gun violence but Black drug and gang violence that is the real problem.
Dig a little deeper and it's a lack of fathers that's the problem.
Dig deeper to the core, and it's a rejection of Christianity.
Post by: Rush on June 22, 2022, 12:54:23 AM
Dig a little deeper and it's a lack of fathers that's the problem.
Dig deeper to the core, and it's a rejection of Christianity.
But the reasons why that happened is historically complex, partly a legacy of racism, partly a result of attempted fixes of racism with unintended consequences, partly economic changes (such as the disappearance of passenger rail and city industries) and many other things. Right now, feminism is preventing men of all races from wanting to commit to a female and family. Women have made it clear men aren’t appreciated and respected.
Post by: Anthony on June 22, 2022, 02:27:27 AM
Dig a little deeper and it's a lack of fathers that's the problem.
Dig deeper to the core, and it's a rejection of Christianity.
Totally agree with both of those.
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2022, 05:27:59 AM
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Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 22, 2022, 08:38:48 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 22, 2022, 08:56:42 AM
You can’t pass enough laws to stop evil. Evil does not obey laws.
Post by: Number7 on June 22, 2022, 09:26:11 AM
It’s such a simple truth that people should be tripping over it every day.
You can’t pass enough laws to stop evil. Evil does not obey laws.
Liberals lack the intellectual capacity to understand simple logic when it conflicts with whatever bullshit they have been told to believe.
Just think of mikey demanding we stop saying the vaccines were a scam since the government approved the emergency use authorization.
Dumb can't begin to describe the blind idiocy of a liberal.
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2022, 09:31:35 AM
It’s such a simple truth that people should be tripping over it every day.
You can’t pass enough laws to stop evil. Evil does not obey laws.
The lunatic left and the liberals don't give a fuck about evil or crime. It's just the vehicle they need to disarm the law abiding.
Post by: Lucifer on June 23, 2022, 06:25:07 AM
Post by: nddons on June 23, 2022, 07:28:27 AM
Time to bring back what works.
Post by: jb1842 on June 23, 2022, 07:31:16 AM
We haven’t tarred and feathered politicians in a long time and it shows.
Time to bring back what works.
The freakshow that is the left will probably enjoy that.
Post by: Username on June 23, 2022, 10:19:18 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 23, 2022, 10:22:11 AM
The Supreme Court just struck down New York's "explain why you need a gun to our satisfaction" law. The left freaks out.
saw that...
I wonder if the ruling is sufficient to go after the other 7 states that are may-issue states.
Post by: Anthony on June 23, 2022, 10:28:12 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 23, 2022, 11:35:40 AM
expect those posts to get deleted...
Post by: Number7 on June 23, 2022, 11:37:58 AM
btw - POA has a thread where the ruling was mentioned (and praised) (go to concealed carry gun)
expect those posts to get deleted...
Can't have citizens talking about things that don't abide by the pushy agenda...
Those fuckwad moderators are probably all I tears right now.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 25, 2022, 06:06:43 AM
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Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 27, 2022, 08:09:51 PM