PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on January 02, 2017, 09:56:35 AM
-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4081968/Top-Obama-adviser-claims-president-hasn-t-scandal-watchdog-claims-White-House-scandal-rap-sheet-long-arm.html
'The president prides himself on the fact that his administration hasn't had a scandal and he hasn't done something to embarrass himself,' she said in an interview broadcast Sunday on CNN's 'Fareed Zakaria GPS.'
'That's because that's who he is – that's who they are – and I think that's what really resonates with the American people,' Jarrett continued.
-
If the Barack, and Michelle Obama's, Svengali, Valerie Jarrett, has to cry from the roof tops there has been no scandals then guess what? She's saying there have been PLENTY. Shall we list a few?
Obamacare
IRS
EPA
Benghazi
Illegal Immigration
Sanctuary cities
Hidden unemployment, inflation numbers
Weak GDP, no growth
Russian reset
Syria
Iraq
IRAN!!!
BLM promotion to create police deaths, and lawlessness
Corruption of DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc
Selective enforcement of laws
-
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w464/flybywire1959/obama%20scandal_zpsmxk12txd.jpg)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w464/flybywire1959/obama_zpszo9qwjio.jpg)
While not all "scandals" it does show how corrupt BHO has been as President.
Remember, he proclaimed to have the "most transparent administration in history".
-
Fast and Furious, he should have been impeached for that alone, but apparently that would be racist.
-
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-
Asserted by his Iranian minder. LMAO.
-
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/05/the_titanic_has_set_sail_132708.html
Over the New Year's weekend, President Barack Obama's chief policy adviser and closest strategist, Valerie Jarrett, told a talk show host that her boss would have a happy legacy because there was an absence of scandal in his administration. When first I heard this preposterous claim, I thought I had misheard it. Yet it is apparently true that President Obama and his team somehow can overlook recent history and behave as if events with which we are all familiar never happened.
-
Jarrett being in the White House is itself a scandal.
-
Jarrett being in the White House is itself a scandal.
It is amazing the media didn't key on her, and other Maoists like Van Jones, Jonathan Gruber, etc. These people are radical, far left manipulators, and agitators just like Obama, but he pays attention to what they say. Especially Jarrett who has some weird hold on both Barack, and Michelle Obama. She is their handler, and controller. It is scary.
-
Especially Jarrett who has some weird hold on both Barack, and Michelle Obama. She is their handler, and controller. It is scary.
She knows their real genders.
-
Maybe she knows where B.O.s college transcripts and application and admission papers are stashed.
-
Maybe she knows where B.O.s college transcripts and application and admission papers are stashed.
And who is real father is.
-
It is amazing how little we really know about Barack and Michelle. Affirmative Action, and foreign student exemptions do a lot for a student.
Then there came the Manchurian Candidate with a faked (OK Dems, let’s say “of questionable origin” to assuage your PC brains) birth certificate, who’d gotten a free ride through college under a foreign student exemption, and whose college records and complete life history had been sealed. (We know more about Thomas Jefferson’s supposedly bastard children than we do about Obama, Michelle, OR their two kids.)
-
It is amazing how little we really know about Barack and Michelle. Affirmative Action, and foreign student exemptions do a lot for a student.
The quote in your post is ridiculous.
-
The quote in your post is ridiculous.
Why? Back up your statements.
Maybe your opinion is suspect?
-
Why? Back up your statements.
Maybe your opinion is suspect?
I cannot fathom how an intelligent dude like you could still be a birther when there are so many other things to easily criticize Obama for.
-
I cannot fathom how an intelligent dude like you could still be a birther when there are so many other things to easily criticize Obama for.
I think it is more of a thing were the MSM never covered his relationship with Bill Ayers and particularly Frank Marshall Davis. Do you feel those two, alone, did not have any affect on how he thinks about things?
-
Where did Anthony claim to be a birther?
Steve Sailor wrote an excellent book called America's Half Blood Prince. Sailor was fascinated by the rise to power of Obama, considering the efforts made by his handlers to freeze out info about his life. They let out just what they needed to in order to create the idea of a new kind of American god who would be our savior.
Anthony is right. The same deemed-harmless bits of screened and edited info about Obama and his wife were repeated endlessly. The awful bits were dismissed. And anyone questioning Obama's cred was immediately labeled a birther, and thus dismissed.
-
I cannot fathom how an intelligent dude like you could still be a birther when there are so many other things to easily criticize Obama for.
I never said he wasn't a U.S. citizen. There is still controversy around him being classified a foreign student and getting a huge affirmative action pass. I'm not saying this the definitely the case, only that it is a POSSIBILITY otherwise he would have release his transcripts. Why wouldn't he release his transcripts if he had nothing to hide.
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said. You are starting to sound like Reverend Slappy. :)
Thanks Becky. :)
-
Obamacare
-one of the most successful health care measures, saving money and providing health care insurance to those who have none.
IRS
-embarassing, but sounded like poor implementation of bad law.
EPA
-now you think he invented it?
Benghazi
-every tragedy does not a scandal make. Or should we be blaming W for 911?
Illegal Immigration
-Obama departed more of those guys than his two previous predecessors.
Sanctuary cities
-he did that?
Hidden unemployment, inflation numbers
-according to you and your conservative followers. Of course its hidden, so there's no evidence, right?
Weak GDP, no growth
-11,000,000 jobs added. Whatever.
Russian reset
-yeah, he's responsible for Putin now. Oh, and your Orange Overlord seems in a pretty big hurry to make nice. He should, since Putin helped put him in the White House.
Syria
-he started the civil war? Heck, if he did everything you conservatives think he did you should be thankful he's stepping down and not stepping up as permanent dictator.
Iraq
-last I checked W broke it.
IRAN!!!
-yeah, no don't like the nuclear deal. Better a nuclear armed Iran. Got it.
BLM promotion to create police deaths, and lawlessness
-?
Corruption of DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc
-?
Selective enforcement of laws
-no other POTUS has ever done that!
-
Obamacare
-one of the most successful health care measures, saving money and providing health care insurance to those who have none.
(and other non-sensible inane rambling......)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w464/flybywire1959/giphy_zpsgec4so1e.gif)
-
Some people are just delusional, indoctrinated, and culturally impaired.
-
Obamacare
-one of the most successful health care measures, saving money and providing health care insurance to those who have none.
Engage your "triple digit IQ" before spouting complete nonsense. That POS obamacare did absolutely nothing about heath care. It was about health insurance.
"saving money"? - prove it.
-
Where did Anthony claim to be a birther?
Here:
Then there came the Manchurian Candidate with a faked (OK Dems, let’s say “of questionable origin” to assuage your PC brains) birth certificate
I think it was a fair assumption on my part that the statement doesn't mean he was actually born in the cornfields of Iowa but faked his Hawaii birth certificate.
-
Here:
I think it was a fair assumption on my part that the statement doesn't mean he was actually born in the cornfields of Iowa but faked his Hawaii birth certificate.
Questionable origin can mean a lot of things. I did NOT say he wasn't a U.S. citizen.
-
I never said he wasn't a U.S. citizen. There is still controversy around him being classified a foreign student and getting a huge affirmative action pass.
Well he deserved that since he is the descedent of American slaves..... :o
-
Obamacare
-one of the most successful health care measures, saving money and providing health care insurance to those who have none.
LMAO. For whom did it save money? Certainly not me, but I'm a "rich" white guy, a regular deplorable, so it's just that I pay for video-gaming tat babies.
-
Questionable origin can mean a lot of things. I did NOT say he wasn't a U.S. citizen.
It says faked. So tell me, why else would it be faked?
-
The reason the birther issue had such an extended life is that there were elements of truth within it. The "actual" Hawaiian birth certificate did contain suspicious elements suggesting falsification. Obama was called, on a book he supposedly wrote, a "Kenyan-born author."
Personally, I don't think there is enough solid info to say yea or nay. It is, of course, irrelevant now. But "birther" has entered the lexicon as a clueless rube who will believe anything. Such is the power of labels.
-
The reason the birther issue had such an extended life is that there were elements of truth within it. The "actual" Hawaiian birth certificate did contain suspicious elements suggesting falsification. Obama was called, on a book he supposedly wrote, a "Kenyan-born author."
No, sorry, not even a bit. If you intend to pursue that assertion, I challenge you to come up with a reputable source confirming suspicious elements that suggest falsification. The reason the birther issue had such extended life (that continues even in this thread, mind you), is that even intelligent people who should know better will eat that shit up. It is ridiculous.
PS - The Kenyan born author line was not in his book, and not in something he wrote, and the person who did write the line admits that it was an error.
Personally, I don't think there is enough solid info to say yea or nay. It is, of course, irrelevant now. But "birther" has entered the lexicon as a clueless rube who will believe anything. Such is the power of labels.
There is, quite literally, all the info you should possibly need, to make the call. You just have to decide whether to willfully ignore the truth or not.
PS - Birther does not mean clueless rube who will believe anything, it means someone who believes that Obama's birth certificate was faked and that he is not a US citizen. It is derogatory because it should be.
-
Well, that just proves I am more open minded than you. :)
I think the possibility can be entertained, considering the rather ironclad cloak of secrecy around the guy, that there are a number of things about him we will never know for sure.
-
Well, that just proves I am more open minded than you. :)
I think the possibility can be entertained, considering the rather ironclad cloak of secrecy around the guy, that there are a number of things about him we will never know for sure.
Penalty. Unfair broadening of the topic on multiple fronts. There are many things about everyone that we'll never know for sure, including the president elect. And many possibilities can be entertained and then discarded for the choice that is overwhelmingly the likely truth. Stating these things, which apply to everything, is not an substantive argument that Obama's birth certificate was fake.
PS - Did you know that Trump's college transcripts are just as "sealed" as Obama's?
-
Penalty. Unfair broadening of the topic on multiple fronts. There are many things about everyone that we'll never know for sure, including the president elect. And many possibilities can be entertained and then discarded for the choice that is overwhelmingly the likely truth. Stating these things, which apply to everything, is not an substantive argument that Obama's birth certificate was fake.
PS - Did you know that Trump's college transcripts are just as "sealed" as Obama's?
The position that we cannot know some things for sure is a valid one, and I take it happily and with assurance it is the best place to leave some questions until, as the Quakers would say, more light comes. Of course it is not a substantive argument for or against anything.
From the outset of Obama's arrival in the public eye, he has been a preening charlatan, who seems to have been a mere construct more than an actual personality, designed by his handlers to reflect whatever one wants to see in him. He may indeed be a US citizen. It is, in fact, as you say, likely. But he certainly has not acted like one.
You believe what you have seen written about the book jacket and the birth certificate. You are satisfied it is the truth. These days, a measure of skepticism about everything suits me better.
-
One of the all time , all common liberal strategies is to put things out of bounds by making them into a joke. All that does is assuage the snowflakes about things that might hurt their little feelings.
IF Barack Obama had nothing to hide, he, or his handlers, wouldn't have gone to such trouble to hide everything that would prove the things he claims about himself.
The fact that progressives go nuclear every time the subject is raised just proves how insecure they are about their total devotion to whatever lies they've been fed about him.
-
The position that we cannot know some things for sure is a valid one, and I take it happily and with assurance it is the best place to leave some questions until, as the Quakers would say, more light comes. Of course it is not a substantive argument for or against anything.
From the outset of Obama's arrival in the public eye, he has been a preening charlatan, who seems to have been a mere construct more than an actual personality, designed by his handlers to reflect whatever one wants to see in him. He may indeed be a US citizen. It is, in fact, as you say, likely. But he certainly has not acted like one.
You believe what you have seen written about the book jacket and the birth certificate. You are satisfied it is the truth. These days, a measure of skepticism about everything suits me better.
You're not practicing measured skepticism. You're practicing selective denial in the face of facts. Why do you not question Trump's birth certificate with the same vigor with which you appear to question Obama's? After all, shouldn't your measured skepticism consider the possibility that he was born in Pakistan (http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-bizarre-birther-twist-claims-trump-is-pakistani/)?
-
You're not practicing measured skepticism. You're practicing selective denial in the face of facts. Why do you not question Trump's birth certificate with the same vigor with which you appear to question Obama's? After all, shouldn't your measured skepticism consider the possibility that he was born in Pakistan (http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-bizarre-birther-twist-claims-trump-is-pakistani/)?
Yeah, that'll take, for sure. And Bill Clinton has a son with a black woman. And so on. You're misreading me. I'm not questioning Obama's BC with vigor. I'm simply letting the issue rest in neutrality.
I read the other day that the Dems are going full War Room against Trump and forming a pushback coalition to bring him down. You know, dig up dirt, fling it around, generally make a scene, trying to delegitimize him.
So I call that selective outrage, and the left is rife with it. Like many, I hope they keep it up while the rest of us ignore them and get on with some recovery.
-
Here's the thing. When I think of a "scandal", I think of willful wrongdoing uncovered. Monica Lewinsky comes quickly to mind. So does Iran Contra and Watergate. All of these involve willful misconduct by the President or his officers.
I have not seen any behavior of the Obama administration that rises to that level. There are folks here that don't like the ACA, I get that. I may disagree, but we're all entitled to our opinions and I won't belittle those who take another stance. But in no way shape or form does this rise to willful misconduct. The laws were passed according to he legislative process spelled out by the Constitution of the United States of America.
Benghazi was a tragedy to be certain. It was also one of the most heavily investigated tragedies in US history, more hearings about Benghazi than 911. And at no point was anyone able to prove any misconduct by the President or his officers. Yeah, they screwed the pooch and folks lied because of it, but their behavior didn't come close to rising to the level of willful misconduct.
Now, if by scandal you mean the President did something you don't like, well yes then we've had 8 years of unremitting scandal. But I think you've set the bar a bit on the low side. Like someone who said W was a hugely successful President because we were all still alive at the end of his second term. Setting the bar just a bit low.
-
Fast and Furious - ran illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels, and maybe terrorists - SCANDAL
Benghazi - Purposely let four Americans die, including a very progressive, and gay Democrat Ambassador, lied about the cause being a video - SCANDAL
IRS targeting conservative groups - SCANDAL
EPA targeting conservatives - SCANDAL
Hillary server, and damning emails - SCANDAL
Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton - SCANDAL
Obama lying about Obamacare - SCANDAL
Obama lying about shovel ready jobs - SCANDAL
Obama/Holder/Lynch supporting the BLM movement, and false narrative about hands up don't shoot - SCANDAL
Crony grants that went bust like Solyndra - SCANDAL
GM union bail out - SCANDAL
-
Pick one "scandal." Just one.
Produce the evidence you have to back up said allegation. It must be factual and not hyperbolic or contain innuendo.
Prove your allegations.
I won't hold my breath. I'll await the inevitable ad hominem bluster that follows. Because that's all this is.
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
-
Fast and Furious - ran illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels, and maybe terrorists - SCANDAL
Benghazi - Purposely let four Americans die, including a very progressive, and gay Democrat Ambassador, lied about the cause being a video - SCANDAL
IRS targeting conservative groups - SCANDAL
EPA targeting conservatives - SCANDAL
Hillary server, and damning emails - SCANDAL
Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton - SCANDAL
Obama lying about Obamacare - SCANDAL
Obama lying about shovel ready jobs - SCANDAL
Obama/Holder/Lynch supporting the BLM movement, and false narrative about hands up don't shoot - SCANDAL
Crony grants that went bust like Solyndra - SCANDAL
GM union bail out - SCANDAL
Those all sound like willful misconduct to me. Especially the IRS. When the government breaks the law to single out political opponents, that is the worst kind of willful misconduct and strikes at the heart of liberty.
-
Fast and Furious - ran illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels, and maybe terrorists - SCANDAL
Fast and Furious was a sting operation gone wrong. It happens. No one was trying to support cartels with guns, they were using guns to try and track cartels.
Benghazi - Purposely let four Americans die, including a very progressive, and gay Democrat Ambassador, lied about the cause being a video - SCANDAL
No one let anyone die, a tragedy occurred. Moreover, no one lied about anything, they perhaps did go public before all the facts were in.
IRS targeting conservative groups - SCANDAL
One office of the IRS did a poor job of enforcing a vague and confusing law.
EPA targeting conservatives - SCANDAL
I'd need a link for this. Don't even know what its about.
Hillary server, and damning emails - SCANDAL
Investigate by the FBI who found no wrongdoing.
Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton - SCANDAL
Poor judgement to be certain, which is why she recused herself from the E-mail investigation and why all the public announcements were made by the head of the FBI.
Obama lying about Obamacare - SCANDAL
Obama lying about shovel ready jobs - SCANDAL
If every time a politician lied about something it were a scandal we'd see no end of them.
Obama/Holder/Lynch supporting the BLM movement, and false narrative about hands up don't shoot - SCANDAL
Again I have no idea what you're' talking about, but wouldn't be surprised if you didn't either. ;D
Crony grants that went bust like Solyndra - SCANDAL
Again, no misconduct, everything was done by the letter of the law. Again, if every time and elected official misused government funds we'd have no end of scandals.
GM union bail out - SCANDAL
I call BS on this one. they went belly up, asked the government for a bailout. Government gets to set the terms, which preserved union benefits at the expense of the investors and officers who caused the shit storm in the first place. No scandal, just good judgement. I can't see why workers should have to suffer for the malfeasance of CEOs.
-
Those all sound like willful misconduct to me. Especially the IRS. When the government breaks the law to single out political opponents, that is the worst kind of willful misconduct and strikes at the heart of liberty.
Willful misconduct, and malfeasance for sure, but most, if not all of them, the Obama Admin tried to cover up. When cover ups occur, that is a SCANDAL to me.
-
[snipperoo]
hear no evil, see no evil....
-
Snipped
I don't know why you bothered. This will fall upon deaf ears.
hear no evil, see no evil....
..and there you go.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
-
..and there you go.
whoooooosh
peanuts!!!
-
Yeah, that'll take, for sure. And Bill Clinton has a son with a black woman. And so on. You're misreading me. I'm not questioning Obama's BC with vigor. I'm simply letting the issue rest in neutrality.
Oh, that won't take? Why not?
You're letting it rest, but in partiality, not neutrality. The neutral position would be that which is suggested by the overwhelming evidence. This is why most would agree that Trump is a man and not a woman; that the earth is spherical and not flat; that 9/11 wasn't an inside job; that Obama was born in Hawaii and not in a foreign country. The contrary positions are loony. And taking no position is pusillanimous.
-
Oh, that won't take? Why not?
You're letting it rest, but in partiality, not neutrality. The neutral position would be that which is suggested by the overwhelming evidence. This is why most would agree that Trump is a man and not a woman; that the earth is spherical and not flat; that 9/11 wasn't an inside job; that Obama was born in Hawaii and not in a foreign country. The contrary positions are loony. And taking no position is pusillanimous.
Because even low info types would probably laugh at it. We'll see! Maybe it will be Agenda Item 1A at the first meeting of the Dems' coalition to bring Trump down.
Wow, it seems really important to you to establish that Obama was born in America. I think there is a possibility he was not. Not much, but some. Not likely, but possible. Also, I don't really care at this point, and never really did. Therefore, I take a neutral position, which means I am not swayed in either direction. The only partiality I show is toward the possibility of more information coming to light. And you know what? It could. Same with the climate, Russian hacking, Hillary's nefariousness, and so on.
You have to admit it's possible that information about Obama has been changed or hidden. There are other things, like who his real father is, that we do not know. Really.
It is not faint hearted to take no position, which I consider to be so similar to a neutral position as to be indistinguishable. Both positions imply a lack of complete certainty, and perhaps even indifference.
It has impressed me through the years that the man who is most certain he is right is often very, very wrong.
-
The far left and academics with their blinders firmly in place will never admit to anything that contradicts their brainwashing. Think about it. If you sold out to something as stupid, corrupt and rife with incompetence as the progressive agenda would you willingly admit that you got taken for the ride of the century?
Between made up data to fit the predetermined agenda driven conclusion, WRT the fake MMGW scam, to every one of Obama's criminal enterprises, and Hilary's corruption, the progressive left has simply denied, denied, denied, to the point that the rest of us simply shake our heads and laugh at their brutal stupidity.
It doesn't take a genius to know that Steingar rolls out his ignorant rants about his IQ to try and silence doubt about his closed mind and narrow vision. It's self preservation for him. He CAN'T admit to his own limitations because it makes a lie out of everything he preaches and babbles about.
-
Because even low info types would probably laugh at it. We'll see! Maybe it will be Agenda Item 1A at the first meeting of the Dems' coalition to bring Trump down.
Wow, it seems really important to you to establish that Obama was born in America. I think there is a possibility he was not. Not much, but some. Not likely, but possible. Also, I don't really care at this point, and never really did. Therefore, I take a neutral position, which means I am not swayed in either direction. The only partiality I show is toward the possibility of more information coming to light. And you know what? It could. Same with the climate, Russian hacking, Hillary's nefariousness, and so on.
You have to admit it's possible that information about Obama has been changed or hidden. There are other things, like who his real father is, that we do not know. Really.
It is not faint hearted to take no position, which I consider to be so similar to a neutral position as to be indistinguishable. Both positions imply a lack of complete certainty, and perhaps even indifference.
It has impressed me through the years that the man who is most certain he is right is often very, very wrong.
I am not interested in convincing you that Obama was born in the USA. I am, admittedly, quite interested in your decision-making processes, given that they seem wildly partisan and inconsistent. You've gone -- in a single thread -- from stating that you have too-little information to decide whether Obama is a citizen or not, to now admitting that there is very little chance that he was not born in the US.
Well...little in life is absolutely certain, and yet you constantly come to conclusions on one side or the other of an issue. I am confident that you believe Trump is a citizen, despite the fact I have shown you a news story that suggests otherwise. You admit that the story is laughable, and I assume you do so because the preponderance of evidence suggests that the truth is contrary to the article. And yet you've not given Obama the same treatment. Despite a similar preponderance of evidence, you're waffling in a grey area that allows you not to make a choice.
I don't intend to pursue this much longer, but I think you ought to have the guts to come down on one side or the other. 'Cause hey, if even Trump can admit (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/16/donald-trump-obama-born-united-states-period/) it after Obama rifled through his dead mother's belongings trying to prove he's not a foreigner, so can you, or you could come up with a better excuse than "hey, it's possible", which is nothing more than the typical fodder for conspiracy theorists the world over.
-
I am not interested in convincing you that Obama was born in the USA. I am, admittedly, quite interested in your decision-making processes, given that they seem wildly partisan and inconsistent. You've gone -- in a single thread -- from stating that you have too-little information to decide whether Obama is a citizen or not, to now admitting that there is very little chance that he was not born in the US.
Well...little in life is absolutely certain, and yet you constantly come to conclusions on one side or the other of an issue. I am confident that you believe Trump is a citizen, despite the fact I have shown you a news story that suggests otherwise. You admit that the story is laughable, and I assume you do so because the preponderance of evidence suggests that the truth is contrary to the article. And yet you've not given Obama the same treatment. Despite a similar preponderance of evidence, you're waffling in a grey area that allows you not to make a choice.
I don't intend to pursue this much longer, but I think you ought to have the guts to come down on one side or the other. 'Cause hey, if even Trump can admit (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/16/donald-trump-obama-born-united-states-period/) it after Obama rifled through his dead mother's belongings trying to prove he's not a foreigner, so can you, or you could come up with a better excuse than "hey, it's possible", which is nothing more than the typical fodder for conspiracy theorists the world over.
I am curious. If one must be a natural-born American citizen in order to be President, would that not require producing a valid birth certificate before being sworn in, if not before running, being nominated, and potentially elected?
-
I am curious. If one must be a natural-born American citizen in order to be President, would that not require producing a valid birth certificate before being sworn in, if not before running, being nominated, and potentially elected?
Depends if one has a (D) after their name or an (R).
Obama was no questions asked. That would have been racist and the media politely overlooked it.
However, John McCain was grilled and had to provide proof (he was born in Panama to US parents) and Ted Cruz was grilled about his place of birth and parentage.
-
I am curious. If one must be a natural-born American citizen in order to be President, would that not require producing a valid birth certificate before being sworn in, if not before running, being nominated, and potentially elected?
No. Candidates are not required to produce birth certificates, and that vast majority of historical candidates wouldn't have had them anyway. Obama produced his anyway, prior to the election.
And despite the inaccurate BS in the post just above this one, both Obama and McCain had their eligibility challenged in court before the election.
-
PS - There are a number of ways to challenge eligibility.
-
After thinking about this a while, I realized that it's similar to the time I wrote "Moochelle" and you challenged me on it. I thought about that, too, and realized it is because I don't respect her, and it's hard for me to use the real name of someone who, in my opinion, is neither worthy (of a position, say) or respectable (because of their behavior). I concluded then that I supposed I should consider a person's name sacrosanct, despite my feelings about them. I could skip titles, though, as I often do with the current person residing in the White House.
On this issue of Obama's birthplace, here is the deal. I simply do not trust him, or any of his minions, handlers, cohorts, and cadre. I don't trust him, or them, asechrest, sir. Really, AT ALL. And why should I? Look what he has done to our country! His only memorable quote in office was a lie!
One can pontificate about this and that, that he has done, and how wonderful he is, but the fact is that his tenure has been painfully disastrous for our country. Fareed Zakaria did a CNN special on Obama's second term, admitting that it was a disaster, but claimed that "America has failed its President. It was not ready for his ideas."
Well, thank God we weren't ready for the compost heap he shoved down our throats and the cloak of despair he threw over our country! Those who TRUSTED him, and voted for him, brought it all down upon us. I. Do. Not. Trust. Obama.
I don't trust Trump, either. My trust has to be earned. I am watching.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, and don't think I deserve to be called "wildly partisan" and "inconsistent." I am not a birther. I didn't care when it was issue, and I don't care about it now. There were much more important reasons to be concerned about him than where he was born.
My lack of trust in the whole leftist machine, as we saw exercised in such a WILDLY PARTISAN manner in this election, causes me to trust NOTHING that they do or say. They have brought it on themselves, and I am not alone amongst thinking, rational people in seeing the horrific tearing away of the mask of civility the leftists managed to hide behind, before they began rioting, blaming everything but themselves, and gnashing their teeth at November 8th's REAL NEWS that there was a large swath of American citizenry who didn't trust them, either.
-
Alright, Becky. I can respect most of that. Here is my final opinion on the matter.
This birth certificate thing cheapens, or waters down, the substantive and legitimate complaints you have with Obama. It is not based on evidence or facts. It is like mixing a supermarket tabloid with the Times (Tampa Bay Times, of course). Or like mixing séance with science. I think it so bothers me because intelligent, articulate individuals, who could likely write pages of real issues they have with the outgoing president, are latching onto such a baseless accusation.
I think it bolsters your real arguments to stand above the other stuff. Just my opinion.
-
Thanks; I see your points.
I'll close with saying that if his mother was a US citizen, location doesn't matter, according to my understanding.
As to the power of a colluding media and political operatives to distort or hide almost any real information hostile to their narrative or power, I'd say it's close to unlimited.
-
If focusing on the birth certificate thing is all you got, then that is sad aeschrest.
-
If focusing on the birth certificate thing is all you got, then that is sad aeschrest.
If Obama was leaving office with a list of achievements, it wouldn't be even a footnote.
A week from Friday, January 20th, Barack Hussien Obama will leave office after 8 years with a legacy of partisanship, racism, failure and economic disaster. He has decimated his own party after costing them nearly 900+ legislative seats, 12 governors, 69 house seats and 13 senate seats.
Obama has increased the national debt more than all presidents before him combined and presided over 8 years with a gdp that never got above 3%.
Another "first" for Obama was the downgrade of the US credit rating. For the first time in history the US credit rating was downgraded as a direct result of the Obama Administration's governance and policy making process.
Under Obama the number of people out of the workforce grew by 18% to an all time new record (over 95 million). 50+ million in poverty, 46+ million on food stamps, all new records. Couple that with the record number of new regulations implemented under Obama that are job killers and private sector killers and it's easy to see what a disaster he has left.
Then we have the Obama/Clinton/Kerry foreign policy mess. Destabilation of the Middle East, backstabbing of Israel and a "reset" with Russia that was a joke from the word go. And under Obama we gave the Iranians money and have helped them with their nuclear program.
Then we have the ACA, aka "Obamacare". Yep, legislation that was so good that it was put into place on a strict party line vote (all democrats, no republicans) using reconciliation. And remember all the lies that came with it? "It will decrease cost", "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" and so on.
So what are the great achievements of Obama? What will his legacy reveal? How will historians treat the soon to be former president?
This country elected a complete amateur in 2008 with no records of accomplishment and a past surrounded in mystery. His 2 ghost written books gave insight into his past by pointing out his fascination with communism and Marxism as well as the radical ideologues that inspired him. Add to that a fawning media that worked diligently to promote his agenda rather than question it or even attempt to view it unbiased.
January 20th, 2017 will be the end of a long national nightmare. Clint Eastwood said it best when he made this comment "President Obama Is The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On The American People".
-
But, according to Tom Hanks, and the other Hollywood elite, he did great things for Cuba, and Man Made Global Warming.
What is the LEFT's fascination with an oppressive, violent, and totalitarian regime like Cuba that abuses its citizens regularly, and keeps them in enslaved poverty? Why do they love the Castros so much?
-
But, according to Tom Hanks, and the other Hollywood elite, he did great things for Cuba, and Man Made Global Warming.
What is the LEFT's fascination with an oppressive, violent, and totalitarian regime like Cuba that abuses its citizens regularly, and keeps them in enslaved poverty? Why do they love the Castros so much?
Blind Ideology.
-
What is the LEFT's fascination with an oppressive, violent, and totalitarian regime like Cuba that abuses its citizens regularly, and keeps them in enslaved poverty? Why do they love the Castros so much?
It is the left's blindness to reality and to nature. This blindness allows them to believe that man is on a "progressive" course to some utopian ideal. They've constructed a belief that the way to achieve this vision is wealth redistribution by a centralized authority. So they keep trying, and when it fails, as it always does, they must blame anything other than themselves. The oppression, violence, etc., is either a necessary step in the journey toward perfection, or it is a result of outside meddling by others (usually white males). Their obsession results from their rage that their experiment is obviously a failure, and their scramble to rationalize why it's the fault of anything but their unnatural ideals.
Conversely, adherents to free market capitalism can also suffer from utopian idealism. But in general, as an economic system, capitalism works far better than collectivism. The truth is reality is fluid and capitalism recognizes that reality; collectivism does not. Society will always change around with the flow of time. The nature of man as a living organism is to behave certain ways and make constant micro-decisions for individual and group survival. Capitalism takes advantage of this reality. Collectivism tries to kill it.
Because the left doesn't understand these realities, they're doomed to constant frustration as the world keeps insisting on working the way mother nature made it, that is: individuals seek to trade at a profit to both parties. It's the most basic of human behaviors and the left's economic theories go straight opposite of it. Because they refuse to see humans as just another working part in the whole of nature (including such horrors as killing and eating other things with faces) they suffer from internal dissonance. They can't reconcile reality with their intellectually constructed notions. By God they will prove that their theories work if they must torture and kill every human on earth in the process.
-
Well said. One thing that is beginning to truly horrify me lately is the mainstream flow of hatred, vilifying and vitriol spewing from the left. It goes beyond mere irritation or criticism. When I venture to read mainstream to see what is being reported, I STILL see Republicans, whites, Trump voters, etc. being repeatedly referred to as fascists, racists, you know the rest. Can't they see that keeping that up is a large part of why they are losing?
-
Well said. One thing that is beginning to truly horrify me lately is the mainstream flow of hatred, vilifying and vitriol spewing from the left. It goes beyond mere irritation or criticism. When I venture to read mainstream to see what is being reported, I STILL see Republicans, whites, Trump voters, etc. being repeatedly referred to as fascists, racists, you know the rest. Can't they see that keeping that up is a large part of why they are losing?
Hate, lies, and name calling (vilification to nullify the opposition) is all the LEFT has. They do not have facts, logic, nor the truth in which to argue so they resort to vilification. As you note, it has become mainstream by the leftists, media, and Democrats, which is scary. The Jews were vilified in this way in Nazi Germany which led to the Final Solution. It seems that's what the LEFT wants for anyone who disagrees with them.
-
Hate, lies, and name calling (vilification to nullify the opposition) is all the LEFT has. They do not have facts, logic, nor the truth in which to argue so they resort to vilification. As you note, it has become mainstream by the leftists, media, and Democrats, which is scary. The Jews were vilified in this way in Nazi Germany which led to the Final Solution. It seems that's what the LEFT wants for anyone who disagrees with them.
You just described fascism. But wait ... those who oppose liberals are the fascists ...
-
If Obama was leaving office with a list of achievements, it wouldn't be even a footnote.
A week from Friday, January 20th, Barack Hussien Obama will leave office after 8 years with a legacy of partisanship, racism, failure and economic disaster. He has decimated his own party after costing them nearly 900+ legislative seats, 12 governors, 69 house seats and 13 senate seats.
Obama has increased the national debt more than all presidents before him combined and presided over 8 years with a gdp that never got above 3%.
Another "first" for Obama was the downgrade of the US credit rating. For the first time in history the US credit rating was downgraded as a direct result of the Obama Administration's governance and policy making process.
Under Obama the number of people out of the workforce grew by 18% to an all time new record (over 95 million). 50+ million in poverty, 46+ million on food stamps, all new records. Couple that with the record number of new regulations implemented under Obama that are job killers and private sector killers and it's easy to see what a disaster he has left.
Then we have the Obama/Clinton/Kerry foreign policy mess. Destabilation of the Middle East, backstabbing of Israel and a "reset" with Russia that was a joke from the word go. And under Obama we gave the Iranians money and have helped them with their nuclear program.
Then we have the ACA, aka "Obamacare". Yep, legislation that was so good that it was put into place on a strict party line vote (all democrats, no republicans) using reconciliation. And remember all the lies that came with it? "It will decrease cost", "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" and so on.
So what are the great achievements of Obama? What will his legacy reveal? How will historians treat the soon to be former president?
This country elected a complete amateur in 2008 with no records of accomplishment and a past surrounded in mystery. His 2 ghost written books gave insight into his past by pointing out his fascination with communism and Marxism as well as the radical ideologues that inspired him. Add to that a fawning media that worked diligently to promote his agenda rather than question it or even attempt to view it unbiased.
January 20th, 2017 will be the end of a long national nightmare. Clint Eastwood said it best when he made this comment "President Obama Is The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On The American People".
You left out that we are now going to give Uranium to Iran.
-
You left out that we are now going to give Uranium to Iran.
Yep. What I wrote was just a very, very brief review of why Obama will go down as the worst president in modern history.
-
If focusing on the birth certificate thing is all you got, then that is sad aeschrest.
No worries, it is not all I got.
-
You just described fascism. But wait ... those who oppose liberals are the fascists ...
Leftism is nothing but a case study in psychological projection.
-
Many of you are doomed by your own inability to do one thing: recognize that both sides of an issue can be legitimate at the same time. The ubiquitous quote about a first rate intelligence is one that I am quite fond of. At risk of sounding pretentious, I can recognize that the political side that opposes my sensibilities is full of folks who care about the country, are honest in their convictions, and who hold legitimate views that just happen to oppose my own. And this past election, I didn't just pay that lip service as I refused to vote for my own party's candidate.
You guys really have to get past your opinion that "the left" is some gargantuan group of evil individuals. I assume you recognize the irony in bitching about how Obama never worked with Republicans during his tenure, only to turn around speak about your political opponents as you have above.
-
Many of you are doomed by your own inability to do one thing: recognize that both sides of an issue can be legitimate at the same time. The ubiquitous quote about a first rate intelligence is one that I am quite fond of. At risk of sounding pretentious, I can recognize that the political side that opposes my sensibilities is full of folks who care about the country, are honest in their convictions, and who hold legitimate views that just happen to oppose my own. And this past election, I didn't just pay that lip service as I refused to vote for my own party's candidate.
You guys really have to get past your opinion that "the left" is some gargantuan group of evil individuals. I assume you recognize the irony in bitching about how Obama never worked with Republicans during his tenure, only to turn around speak about your political opponents as you have above.
Tsk. Plenty of people in all political realms--Democrats, Independents, Republicans, Libertarians, and on PilotSpin--can hold opposing ideas and still function. You are indeed being pretentious. All we need now is how many digits your IQ has. :)
The fact is that when a core group of people is established in power who hold political views hostile to human flourishing, the rot sets in. Add sycophants who like the "feeling" of being "right," and the rot spreads. Add a colluding media and the projection of evil into ANYONE opposing the spread of the rot, and you have putrefaction. That, sir, is a gargantuan pile of evil.
Plenty of people of many different persuasions in America and on this board could smell it this year, and voted accordingly.
Besides, it's not about what we think of each other, it's WHAT GETS DONE.
Here's a whiff:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-youth-unemployment-urban-league-0126-biz-20160124-story.html
-
Alright, Becky. I can respect most of that. Here is my final opinion on the matter.
This birth certificate thing cheapens, or waters down, the substantive and legitimate complaints you have with Obama.
The only reason the birth certificate became an issue is because when it was legitimately questioned and requested, it was not produced. It took many months of political gamesmanship to finally produce a facsimile. His resistance to producing a birth certificate when first requested is much more serious than Trump declining to make public his tax records because tax records are not a requirement to be President.
I guess you could compare Obama's refusal to release his college transcripts with Trumps refusal to release his tax records, but neither one is a requirement for the office. But why won't 'O release his transcripts?
-
O-ver's Iranian handler trying to rewrite history.
-
Tsk. Plenty of people in all political realms--Democrats, Independents, Republicans, Libertarians, and on PilotSpin--can hold opposing ideas and still function. You are indeed being pretentious. All we need now is how many digits your IQ has. :)
The fact is that when a core group of people is established in power who hold political views hostile to human flourishing, the rot sets in. Add sycophants who like the "feeling" of being "right," and the rot spreads. Add a colluding media and the projection of evil into ANYONE opposing the spread of the rot, and you have putrefaction. That, sir, is a gargantuan pile of evil.
Plenty of people of many different persuasions in America and on this board could smell it this year, and voted accordingly.
Besides, it's not about what we think of each other, it's WHAT GETS DONE.
Here's a whiff:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-youth-unemployment-urban-league-0126-biz-20160124-story.html
You'd be right if we pretended that the entirety of "the left" was bundled into a tiny box with a single label. It's not, and never was. Don't make me search the forum and pull out copious examples of people here claiming the entirety of "the left" has no redeeming qualities. You may read some posts above yours for the first examples. Begging your pardon, but if you are of the opinion that half the nation are leftist losers, the problem likely lies with the accuser versus the accused. Granted, this is not likely what you think, but the more you write about the left, the less certain I am of that opinion. Don't you find it curious that you accuse the left of projecting evil onto anyone opposing them, and not seven posts above yours is an accusation that the left has NOTHING but hate, lies and name calling? Pot, kettle, something something.
I also believe you conflate the political class with "the left". We have a lot of problems in politics. Don't for one minute believe those problems -- and sycophants, etc. -- are exclusive to Democrat politicians. Power begets a desire for more, no matter red or blue.
-
The only reason the birth certificate became an issue is because when it was legitimately questioned and requested, it was not produced. It took many months of political gamesmanship to finally produce a facsimile. His resistance to producing a birth certificate when first requested is much more serious than Trump declining to make public his tax records because tax records are not a requirement to be President.
I guess you could compare Obama's refusal to release his college transcripts with Trumps refusal to release his tax records, but neither one is a requirement for the office. But why won't 'O release his transcripts?
Bullshit. Within three months of the ridiculous internet rumors, and still well before the election, it was released. Further, no presidents release their college transcripts. I'm not sure why you expected otherwise. So let us keep score:
| Birth Certificate | Tax Records | College Transcripts |
| Obama | YES | YES | NO |
| Trump | YES | NO | NO |
Hmm...
-
Many of you are doomed by your own inability to do one thing: recognize that both sides of an issue can be legitimate at the same time. The ubiquitous quote about a first rate intelligence is one that I am quite fond of. At risk of sounding pretentious, I can recognize that the political side that opposes my sensibilities is full of folks who care about the country, are honest in their convictions, and who hold legitimate views that just happen to oppose my own. And this past election, I didn't just pay that lip service as I refused to vote for my own party's candidate.
You guys really have to get past your opinion that "the left" is some gargantuan group of evil individuals. I assume you recognize the irony in bitching about how Obama never worked with Republicans during his tenure, only to turn around speak about your political opponents as you have above.
The left and the right are medium sized groups of people, made evil by following different theories and fed with different groups of propaganda. I label them as fanatics because they are incapable of understanding what the opposition is interested in. There are people and causes to dislike on both sides.
I have been dismayed and embarassed by how Democrats are reacting to this election. At first I wrote it off to having to go through the grieving process for loss, but far too many are still in denial and are getting criminally nasty about how they express it. Certainly there are Republicans who are behaving badly too, but far fewer and far less extremely.
Only about 20% of the country are leftist losers.
-
Further, no presidents release their college transcripts.
If you're a Republican, like GWB, some leftist releases them for you to a compliant media outlet that dutifully published them (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1999/11/08/dept-of-aptitude-walexandra-robbins).
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1831.0;attach=444) (http://www.americanpolitics.com/bushtranscript.html)
It is in many ways similar to Obama's first (only!) Senate campaign -- when his Republican opponent Jack Ryan was forced to withdraw after Ryan's sealed divorce court records somehow were made public, exposing his ex-wife's allegations of sex club visits. Funny how those "inadvertent" disclosures so frequently seem to benefit Democrats at the expense of Republicans, isn't it? O_o But I digress...
Ace, you and I have been over this ground before -- Let's be honest. It is known fact that at one point in his career, that Obama (or those working on his behalf) touted him as "born in Kenya... raised in Indonesia and Hawaii" (whether that was entirely factual or not). Some will attribute that to Obama, even if he was not directly responsible, since it was incontrovertibly said about him and on his behalf to promote his early writing engagements.
The interest in Obama's (Columbia) college records are not his grades, but that they would show that he claimed to be a foreign student (perhaps "born in Kenya" -- has a nice ring to it, eh?) in order to gain transfer admission from Occidental.
Like the birth certificate, the significance is (was) not that Obama was actually born in Hawaii vs. Kenya. In either case he is undoubtedly a red diaper baby raised by people who hate America which has... err, influenced ... his world view and consequently his reign over America (blessedly short that it was) as President. The significance of Obama's college records is that they conclusively prove (as if further proof were necessary) that he is a lying opportunist, dating back at least to his college days.
-
Many of you are doomed by your own inability to do one thing: recognize that both sides of an issue can be legitimate at the same time. The ubiquitous quote about a first rate intelligence is one that I am quite fond of. At risk of sounding pretentious, I can recognize that the political side that opposes my sensibilities is full of folks who care about the country, are honest in their convictions, and who hold legitimate views that just happen to oppose my own. And this past election, I didn't just pay that lip service as I refused to vote for my own party's candidate.
You guys really have to get past your opinion that "the left" is some gargantuan group of evil individuals. I assume you recognize the irony in bitching about how Obama never worked with Republicans during his tenure, only to turn around speak about your political opponents as you have above.
Let's take just one thing right now and discuss. Is giving Iran Uranium a good thing?
-
Let's take just one thing right now and discuss. Is giving Iran Uranium a good thing?
Absolutely not. This is another example of Obama TREASON.
-
Bullshit. Within three months of the ridiculous internet rumors, and still well before the election, it was released. Further, no presidents release their college transcripts. I'm not sure why you expected otherwise. So let us keep score:
| Birth Certificate | Tax Records | College Transcripts |
| Obama | YES | YES | NO |
| Trump | YES | NO | NO |
Hmm...
I notice you carefully ignore that Hawaii never certified the facsimile birth certificate and that within hours of the release it was shown to be a joke - unless you think Doctor Ukelele really did deliver Barack.
When the real birth certificate is in evidence you can play the self righteous card. Not before.
Everything else seems to be projection, lies, spin and a never ending spew of rot to avoid the real issue.
-
Let's take just one thing right now and discuss. Is giving Iran Uranium a good thing?
If it keeps them from building nuclear weapons, then it is a very good thing indeed. Unless you really want nuclear weapons under the control of religious zealots, that is. Pakistan has that already and it makes me queasy to think about. Thankfully the Pakistanis have those things pointed squarely at India and not us.
-
If it keeps them from building nuclear weapons, then it is a very good thing indeed. Unless you really want nuclear weapons under the control of religious zealots, that is. Pakistan has that already and it makes me queasy to think about. Thankfully the Pakistanis have those things pointed squarely at India and not us.
You trust the Iranians with any form of nuclear material? LOL!!!
-
You trust the Iranians with any form of nuclear material? LOL!!!
Is there an alternative? They can clearly make all the components of a nuclear weapon themselves.
-
If it keeps them from building nuclear weapons, then it is a very good thing indeed. Unless you really want nuclear weapons under the control of religious zealots, that is. Pakistan has that already and it makes me queasy to think about. Thankfully the Pakistanis have those things pointed squarely at India and not us.
I understood that a typical US commercial nuclear plant produces plutonium as "waste". It's not a lot, maybe enough to build a 1/2 megaton bomb every year. That's big enough to wipe out say DC and Baltimore and all the suburbs. Or maybe NYC, from about Trenton NJ to New Haven, CT. All of Chicago. All of LA. 4 such devices detonated at these 4 locations would pretty much eliminate 80% of the Democrat vote.
This doesn't make you nervous?
-
Is there an alternative? They can clearly make all the components of a nuclear weapon themselves.
Then why do they need our Uranium? Trump needs to nullify Obama's agreement with Iran, as he repeals Obamacare.
-
I understood that a typical US commercial nuclear plant produces plutonium as "waste". It's not a lot, maybe enough to build a 1/2 megaton bomb every year. That's big enough to wipe out say DC and Baltimore and all the suburbs. Or maybe NYC, from about Trenton NJ to New Haven, CT. All of Chicago. All of LA. 4 such devices detonated at these 4 locations would pretty much eliminate 80% of the Democrat vote.
This doesn't make you nervous?
Someone may want to chime in, since I am somewhat out of my depth in this subject. As far as I know, the plutonium we produce at our nuclear power stations cannot be weaponized, though it is one of the most hideously toxic substances known. To make it suitable for fissile devices the spent nuclear fuel has to go through a breeder reactor, which can use spent nuclear fuel to produce that much more energy. A byproduct is weapons grade plutonium. We haven't invested in these reactors that I know of, though the French run one.
-
I notice you carefully ignore that Hawaii never certified the facsimile birth certificate and that within hours of the release it was shown to be a joke - unless you think Doctor Ukelele really did deliver Barack.
When the real birth certificate is in evidence you can play the self righteous card. Not before.
Everything else seems to be projection, lies, spin and a never ending spew of rot to avoid the real issue.
The Hawaiian official who certified it died in a plane crash not to long after. The ONLY person who died in the crash.
Just a coincidence.
-
The left and the right are medium sized groups of people, made evil by following different theories and fed with different groups of propaganda. I label them as fanatics because they are incapable of understanding what the opposition is interested in. There are people and causes to dislike on both sides.
I have been dismayed and embarassed by how Democrats are reacting to this election. At first I wrote it off to having to go through the grieving process for loss, but far too many are still in denial and are getting criminally nasty about how they express it. Certainly there are Republicans who are behaving badly too, but far fewer and far less extremely.
Only about 20% of the country are leftist losers.
I've been embarrassed, too, to the point where I put my own liberal brother in his place, and since then we rarely talk politics.
-
I notice you carefully ignore that Hawaii never certified the facsimile birth certificate and that within hours of the release it was shown to be a joke - unless you think Doctor Ukelele really did deliver Barack.
When the real birth certificate is in evidence you can play the self righteous card. Not before.
Everything else seems to be projection, lies, spin and a never ending spew of rot to avoid the real issue.
I regularly ignore total bullshit. Sorry of that offends you.
Anyway, the Hawaii certificate released in 2008 was not a "facsimile". It was a scan of a real document. A document which was obtained from, and certified by, the Hawaii department of health. I don't think it's any surprise that the electronic copy of said document wasn't certified. Similarly, if I demanded you fax me a copy of your birth certificate, that faxed copy that I held in my hand would not be certified either. But anyway, you don't have to believe me. You're welcome to believe Hawaii, or any of the media that have truly investigated, or even the court system which has been charged with verifying the records after challenge to Obama's eligibility.
I have no idea who Dr. Ukelele is, since that doesn't appear anywhere.
-
If you're a Republican, like GWB, some leftist releases them for you to a compliant media outlet that dutifully published them (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1999/11/08/dept-of-aptitude-walexandra-robbins).
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1831.0;attach=444) (http://www.americanpolitics.com/bushtranscript.html)
It is in many ways similar to Obama's first (only!) Senate campaign -- when his Republican opponent Jack Ryan was forced to withdraw after Ryan's sealed divorce court records somehow were made public, exposing his ex-wife's allegations of sex club visits. Funny how those "inadvertent" disclosures so frequently seem to benefit Democrats at the expense of Republicans, isn't it? O_o But I digress...
Ace, you and I have been over this ground before -- Let's be honest. It is known fact that at one point in his career, that Obama (or those working on his behalf) touted him as "born in Kenya... raised in Indonesia and Hawaii" (whether that was entirely factual or not). Some will attribute that to Obama, even if he was not directly responsible, since it was incontrovertibly said about him and on his behalf to promote his early writing engagements.
The interest in Obama's (Columbia) college records are not his grades, but that they would show that he claimed to be a foreign student (perhaps "born in Kenya" -- has a nice ring to it, eh?) in order to gain transfer admission from Occidental.
Like the birth certificate, the significance is (was) not that Obama was actually born in Hawaii vs. Kenya. In either case he is undoubtedly a red diaper baby raised by people who hate America which has... err, influenced ... his world view and consequently his reign over America (blessedly short that it was) as President. The significance of Obama's college records is that they conclusively prove (as if further proof were necessary) that he is a lying opportunist, dating back at least to his college days.
IIRC, GWB's transcripts were leaked illegally. I don't condone that. I am also able to separate that event from the details of Obama's birth certificate and focus on the merits thereof.
I certainly believe you if you say that the details surrounding Obama's birth certificate are important to you because they may illustrate that he is a lying opportunist. And while I can respect that more than I ever could respect full birther-mode, I do not consider your opinion to match those of most who question Obama's birth certificate. Because if the assertion is that, for example, he lied about his birthplace in a pamphlet to bolster his author credentials and sell more books, then what is the purpose of the complete idiocy surrounding his actual, verified, certified, bona fide, Hawaiian birth certificate? "It's fake, it's not certified, it's a copy, it's photoshopped, blah blah blah." I mean, your suggestion that he may have lied to Columbia University to get the benefits of a foreign student designation wouldn't even work if the Hawaiian certificate was faked and he was actually born in Kenya.
Sorry, I don't buy your point at least with respect to birthers as a monolithic group.
-
Let's take just one thing right now and discuss. Is giving Iran Uranium a good thing?
Frankly, I don't think Iran's demeanor or cooperation -- pre and post agreement -- warranted the lengths to which we went to negotiate with them. So for me, the answer is no.
-
You'd be right if we pretended that the entirety of "the left" was bundled into a tiny box with a single label. It's not, and never was. Don't make me search the forum and pull out copious examples of people here claiming the entirety of "the left" has no redeeming qualities. You may read some posts above yours for the first examples. Begging your pardon, but if you are of the opinion that half the nation are leftist losers, the problem likely lies with the accuser versus the accused. Granted, this is not likely what you think, but the more you write about the left, the less certain I am of that opinion. Don't you find it curious that you accuse the left of projecting evil onto anyone opposing them, and not seven posts above yours is an accusation that the left has NOTHING but hate, lies and name calling? Pot, kettle, something something.
I also believe you conflate the political class with "the left". We have a lot of problems in politics. Don't for one minute believe those problems -- and sycophants, etc. -- are exclusive to Democrat politicians. Power begets a desire for more, no matter red or blue.
I see your points and I hate labels, but an implacable enemy has been devouring the innards of our country for eight years, and variously nibbling and gouging at them for decades before that. Not giving it a name is dangerous.
Take two islands. Put conservatives in charge of one and liberals in charge of the other.
Which will thrive?
Ironically, it is the wealth and prosperity that arise from conservative principles and capitalism that allows the left the luxury of free time to try and destroy it, further ironically by labelling, freezing and taking down anyone on the right who challenges them. (Until Trump.)
Not labelling is dangerous, and labelling is often destructive. Not sure what to do about that, because our political class seems entrenched in labelling, as does the press and a big swath of unthinking citizenry. Consensus on a different approach would be needed. Consensus is a rare beast.
-
http://www.freemarketcentral.com/post/4731/obamas-scandal-free-administration-is-a-myth