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Spin Zone / Re: Trump won states having 55% of the population.
« on: January 15, 2017, 03:16:28 PM »
The investigation is still ongoing...

Good.  Get back to me if they find malfeasance but until then STFU about unproven allegations as if they were a given.  According to Trump he's been under continuous audit from the IRS for years.  Should we all assume he's been illegally dodging taxes because the IRS is "investigating"/auditing his tax returns.  I infer nothing from an IRS audit of Trump but I can infer a lot by his refusal to release his tax returns unlike every other President in modern history.


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Spin Zone / Re: Trump won states having 55% of the population.
« on: January 15, 2017, 03:07:41 PM »
Goldman Sachs paid Hillary $650K for a speech.  What did the Saudi's, and Chinese give the Clintons over the years?

What did they give the Clintons?  Not the Clinton Foundation, but the Clintons themselves?  Unless you can show the Clintons were taking money from their foundation for personal gain, any money given to the Clinton Foundation is off the table for showing influence peddling,  There has to be a quid before you claim a resulting quo.  We know Trump self-dealed with his foundation, not by inference but by admission.  Unless you can show self-dealing by the Clintons through the Clinton Foundation, any Saudi or other contributions to it are gestures of good will to the charitable work it does.  Prove otherwise and I'll join the chorus of lock them up.

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Spin Zone / Re: Trump won states having 55% of the population.
« on: January 15, 2017, 03:00:35 PM »
"Speaking Fees" were not paid to the foundation, they were paid to Bill & Hill individually.  Can anyone seriously say their short speeches were worth $200k, $300k?  Overpaying for something is a known method of money laundering.

So lock her up if it's illegal.  You're accusing the Clinton's of doing something illegal so they should be prosecuted.  Why aren't they under indictment? I don't think a quarterback should command a salary a thousand times greater than a school teacher but so what.  I agree that $200K for a speech is more than I would pay but so what.  If you can show anyone got something for paying Hillary for a speech other than a headache listening to her, than prove it,

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Spin Zone / Re: Bubba works to recruit big donors
« on: January 15, 2017, 02:34:32 PM »
Once again, The Daily Show attracts the low information types who can't watch a standard news cast because of low attention spans.  It's an outlet designed to attract these types and shape the information being fed to them.  Pure propaganda in every sense of the word.

So you speak for all Daily Show viewers, got it.  How did you get that gig?  I don't presume to speak for FOX news fans or CNN watchers or anybody but myself.  I look at everything and judge what to believe and what not to believe based on my own criteria and not what Lucifer "thinks" my criteria might be.  But if it makes you feel superior by claiming a lock on what others think, more power to ya.  I really don't give a rat's ass what you think I view or don't view and what I get from such viewing.  I can judge your intellect just fine by your arguments and not have to ascribe it to a particular media. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Trump won states having 55% of the population.
« on: January 15, 2017, 01:38:05 PM »
Trump made his money from private sector business transactions, and taking business risks...

and bribing public officials, and self-dealing funds from the Trump Foundation, and declaring bankruptcy after bankruptcy letting the common man get stiffed for unpaid materials and services while sheltering millions for himself, and defrauding people enrolled in "Trump University" and who knows what else since he refuses to release tax returns like every other President in my lifetime.

I don't like the Clintons, never did.  While on active duty I deplored having him as my Commander in Chief but I obeyed all orders from above as I had sworn to do and I kept my disgust to myself.  This doesn't mean I have to sit still in retirement and accept unPresidential behavior now because Trump thinks any behavior is acceptable 'cuz he says so.

The Clintons made their money through government influence and selling that influence to the highest bidder, no matter who they were.

That would be illegal.  Can you show me where they have been indicted for illegal influence peddling?  Oh yeah, it's just your flapping gums and Donald's.  Lock her up--let's get it done if she's guilty, she should be punished.  Maybe the reason the Donald is not going after HRC is  the lawyers saying there's no chance of winning a conviction 'cuz there's no evidence of illegal influence peddling.  Donating money to a charity from which the Clinton's receive no money is not illegal.  Try proving there was a quid pro quo.  Taking her to court and losing would deprive the Trumpists of a rallying cry and counterpoint to any shenanagins Trump gets tainted with.

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Spin Zone / Re: Bubba works to recruit big donors
« on: January 15, 2017, 01:14:32 PM »
The Daily Show works for liberals because the low information people who watch it have a difficult time distinguishing between comedy and reality, hence they believe what they see as "factual reporting".

The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

 That describes The Daily Show exactly.

Really? The Daily Show on Comedy Central, is your idea of propaganda?  Mark Twain, Will Rogers, Mort Sahl, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, all serious propagandists and hard core idealogues.  I submit that none of these names would be recognizable if they didn't traffic in humor based on political shenanigans.  If you can't separate a joke from news, perhaps the problem isn't the humor but the possibility that there's more truth to the humor than you would like to admit.

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Spin Zone / Re: Bubba works to recruit big donors
« on: January 15, 2017, 12:53:25 PM »
No, I don't. I also agree that Trump should ignore a lot of the things people say about him and move on. The ironic thing is, the media gets in a frenzy over almost all of his tweets. At some point they'd realize that's just how he is and move on. He says random things a lot and engages in petty arguments he shouldn't.

The media is a business and sensationalism sells.  It's one thing for the media to go into a frenzy and quite another for the President Elect to enter a tweeting frenzy whenever some minor personality voices a negative opinion of him. DT's temperment for being a President of the United States was questioned during the campaign and he continues to demonstrate less than Presidential temperment.  Why do people excuse it as "he's just being Donald Trump."  He's no longer just Donald Trump, he's supposed to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth and to act like it.
Really? Why don't you go and find all of my posts where I've "defended" Trump.
Where am I getting bent out of shape?
 
Sorry, I sometimes think everyone is Lucifer.  I apologize (sincerely, not sarcastically).
...Where your argument fails is that the left gave a complete pass to Hillary on pretty much everything and go after Trump for everything. Your personal feelings about Comey aside, the FBI determined she had classified information on her private server and no charges were ever brought. There are numerous other issues with her that she was also given a pass on. The hypocrisy and double standards are ridiculous.
I remember reading and watching tons of crap critical of HRC during Benghazi et al.  CNN and other "liberal" media outlets reported on the Congressional hearings trying to establish that BHO and HRC deliberately prevented a US military rescue.  Millions were spent and nothing was pinned on them except the fact she originally linked the attack to a anti-Islam video instead of hard core terrorists.  This was all reported in those media outlets.  Might they have had a liberal slant, sure, I don't deny that just like I don't deny Fox News has a conservative slant.

If you go back and look at my posts, you'll find that I'm not exactly a huge fan of Trump. I was very critical of him during the primaries and during the general election, though I found Hillary to be much worse.
We're more alike than different.  I found both to be crappy choices but I thought the Donald to be the worse.

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Spin Zone / Re: Bubba works to recruit big donors
« on: January 15, 2017, 12:35:10 PM »
Comedy Central has the Daily Show in which they lampoon the news. It's a very heavy liberal slant and many liberals cite that as their source of news.

Yeah but the best comedy is the comedy that has truthful roots.  It may take the truth and exaggerate it, but it has a basis rooted in truth.

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Spin Zone / Re: Serious Question on supposed Russian Hacking
« on: January 15, 2017, 12:31:23 PM »
Proof?

Proof?  Reference?

 Again, you can't even stay on subject.  Please read the question carefully, and answer the question directly.

Polls indicated 15 percent of voters were undecided days away from the election.  With Hillary leading Trump by around 6 percent, a good portion of those 15 percent undecided ended up voting for Trump.  Google it yourself.

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Spin Zone / Re: Bubba works to recruit big donors
« on: January 15, 2017, 11:49:20 AM »
That wasn't the question.  The Russian FSB, Vladimir Putin or Julian Assange are not media outlets.

And Comedy Central is?

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Spin Zone / Re: Serious Question on supposed Russian Hacking
« on: January 15, 2017, 11:47:22 AM »
Here's a serious question for those who truly believed the Russians hacked and/or influenced the outcome of the 2016 Presidential election:

Can you please point out or cite, with credible references, just how the supposed hacking influenced the outcome of the election?

Please be specific as to what method was used and how exactly it changed the outcome (perceived).

Many many people who voted for Trump decided to do so at the last minute.  Anything at all could have tripped the balance in favor of Trump so how do you quantify negative information against Hillary planted from Russian sources affecting the people sitting on the fence?   Do you expect thousands of voters to come forward and say this or that story was the linchpin in their decision to vote for Trump and against Hillary?  Get real.  The election is over and no matter what you say, millions of Americans feel Trump is not their President.  It's up to him to do a good job and prove them wrong.  If all he does for the next four years is whine about why millions don't love him, then maybe those millions were right in believing he was not up to the job.

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Spin Zone / Re: Fake News
« on: January 15, 2017, 11:39:49 AM »
BTW, for Witmo......


We WON.......Get Over It.

I'm over it, all over it.

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Spin Zone / Re: Bubba works to recruit big donors
« on: January 15, 2017, 11:36:57 AM »
I thought liberals got their trusted news from Comedy Central?

I trust Comedy Central to be more truthful than the Russian FSB, Vladmir Putin or Julian Assange.

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Spin Zone / Re: Bubba works to recruit big donors
« on: January 15, 2017, 11:34:19 AM »
Are you denying that liberals are trying to delegitimize Trump or that there are Democrats out there that have done much worse and gotten away with it?
No, I'm not denying liberals are trying to delegitimize the election of Donald Trump.  If he can't stand up to scrutiny, than maybe he shouldn't be President.  Do you deny Trump tried to delegitimize BHO through the Birther BS?  BHO stood firm and eventually the Donald had to fall back on blaming Hillary for starting the Birther movement.  Well played Donald, if all else fails, blame Hillary.  It's time for the Donald to put on his big boy pants and act the part.

Why do you always defend Donald's faults by saying others have faults worse than him? If his faults are so trivial, why does he and you get so bent out of shape?  If a thief steals a payroll, are we supposed to ignore it because other thieves have stolen bigger payrolls and gotten away with it?  I wonder how that defense plays out in court--your honor my client is guilty as sin but just the other day so and so got away with it so my client should be exonerated, defense rests.  The Democrats can say whatever they want but until they prove something, Donald needs to ignore unsubstantiated accusations and get on with it. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Fake News
« on: January 15, 2017, 09:21:06 AM »
I see daily lies about Trump in many media websites.  Sometimes the event, or statement occurred, but it is spun in a negative, and untrue way.  It is misinformation, and disinformation.  Pure propaganda to discredit Trump.  This is what our media has become over the last fifty years.  Even Cronkite admitted he was a liberal/progressive, and skewed the "news" to mold public opinion.

Fake News = anything critical of Donald Trump

Russian interference in an American election = Fake News

Russian hacking of DNC = Fake News

Trump failure to release tax returns = Fake News (no one except Fake Media cares)

Trump failure to release who he owes money to and how much = Fake News (has no debt of consequence)

Intelligence Agencies high confidence that Russian Government directed illegal efforts to favor Donald Trump campaign = Fake News

Donald Trump mocking disabled reporter = Fake News (DT says never happened, he was just demonstrating groveling)

Donald Trump stating he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey dancing in the streets after 9-11 = Fake News  (okay, this one was really fake, the dancing part not the Donald Trump stating he saw it part)

Donald Trump has revealed his tactic for answering any criticism, unfounded or legitimate: call everything fake news and condition stupid people to be unable to separate the chaff from the wheat. Respond to everything and tweet enough crap so that people see everything as crap.  Make America great again by a blatant disregard for everything that makes America different from say, Russia. 

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