PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on April 04, 2024, 12:35:35 PM
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Suppressed to protect criminal Pharma and corrupt Biden regime officials, the cdc has released reports of over 780,000 injuries attributable to the scam vaccines.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/cdc-releases-hidden-covid-19-vaccine-injury-reports-5617872
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Suppressed to protect criminal Pharma and corrupt Biden regime officials, the cdc has released reports of over 780,000 injuries attributable to the scam vaccines.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/cdc-releases-hidden-covid-19-vaccine-injury-reports-5617872
Interesting! Thanks for that. 8% suffering negative side effects should have clearly shown up in the phase 3 trials which had 43k subjects just for the Pfizer vaccine. Did a quick search and this is what Pfizer reported:
"Data demonstrate vaccine was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 adverse event greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%"
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccinem (https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccinem)
Hmmm ... "adverse event greater than 2%". Not going to spend time digging through their original results but if they had just 3 other adverse event categories each affecting 1% of subjects then 8% is easily attained and still honestly report only two adverse event types occurring over 2%.
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The pharmaceuticals had billions of reasons to lie.
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We were told by the experts, Government and Corporate Pharma it was 100% Safe and Effective. >:(
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We were told by the experts, Government and Corporate Pharma it was 100% Safe and Effective. >:(
And people lost jobs for refusing the shot. People in the military were kicked out for refusing. We even had people here on this forum going on about how safe the vax was and how the VAERS data was wrong.
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No excuse for government interference in healthcare. But the truth is the rate of serious adverse events from these shots is well known from multiple randomized controlled trials. It is about 1 per 100,000.
I don’t know any serious non government employee who ever claimed it was 100% effective. The early shots were perhaps 90-95% effective, in the sense of reducing your likelihood of being infected, and this decreased over time.
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And people lost jobs for refusing the shot. People in the military were kicked out for refusing. We even had people here on this forum going on about how safe the vax was and how the VAERS data was wrong.
The VAERS data is not “wrong” - it just cannot be used to estimate rate. It is self report and so fairly clearly subject to reporting bias. If there is a lot of news coverage, the number of reports will jump enormously.
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Interesting! Thanks for that. 8% suffering negative side effects should have clearly shown up in the phase 3 trials which had 43k subjects just for the Pfizer vaccine. Did a quick search and this is what Pfizer reported:
"Data demonstrate vaccine was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 adverse event greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%"
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccinem (https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccinem)
Hmmm ... "adverse event greater than 2%". Not going to spend time digging through their original results but if they had just 3 other adverse event categories each affecting 1% of subjects then 8% is easily attained and still honestly report only two adverse event types occurring over 2%.
What appear to be differences here are likely due to how you grade the severity of the adverse events. If the rate of serious adverse events is only 1 in 100k, we also know that mild adverse events is something like 30% or 30k per 100k. Given those numbers, how you draw the qualitative boundaries between mild and moderate or different numeric grades will matter - a lot.
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No excuse for government interference in healthcare. But the truth is the rate of serious adverse events from these shots is well known from multiple randomized controlled trials. It is about 1 per 100,000.
I don’t know any serious non government employee who ever claimed it was 100% effective. The early shots were perhaps 90-95% effective, in the sense of reducing your likelihood of being infected, and this decreased over time.
Then there is the placebo effect:
https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2022/01/placebo-effect-contributes-to-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-events (https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2022/01/placebo-effect-contributes-to-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-events)
"Haas and colleagues analyzed data from 12 clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines. The 12 trials included adverse effects reports from 22,578 placebo recipients and 22,802 vaccine recipients. After the first injection, more than 35 percent of placebo recipients experienced systemic adverse events – symptoms affecting the entire body, such as fever – with headache and fatigue most common at 19.6 percent and 16.7 percent, respectively. Sixteen percent of placebo recipients reported at least one local event, such as pain at site of injection, redness or swelling."
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Then there is the placebo effect:
https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2022/01/placebo-effect-contributes-to-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-events (https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2022/01/placebo-effect-contributes-to-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-events)
"Haas and colleagues analyzed data from 12 clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines. The 12 trials included adverse effects reports from 22,578 placebo recipients and 22,802 vaccine recipients. After the first injection, more than 35 percent of placebo recipients experienced systemic adverse events – symptoms affecting the entire body, such as fever – with headache and fatigue most common at 19.6 percent and 16.7 percent, respectively. Sixteen percent of placebo recipients reported at least one local event, such as pain at site of injection, redness or swelling."
Very good point. That is exactly why one must rely on randomized controlled trials to understand what is due to simply getting a shot, what may be due to receiving the activating agent (adjuvant) to induce greater immune response, and the active agent that is specific to a disease, in vaccine trials.
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That said, I would agree with what I think many are reacting to here that the entire rollout was grossly distorted by the fact that the government was paying for it and exempted the manufacturers from liability and by the fact that the FDA regulates and approves drugs.
Without this sort of government interference in the healthcare marketplace, I am not at all sure these vaccines would have been a money maker for the manufacturers.
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The VAERS data is not “wrong” - it just cannot be used to estimate rate. It is self report and so fairly clearly subject to reporting bias. If there is a lot of news coverage, the number of reports will jump enormously.
VAERS has been around a long time, but all the sudden during the scamdemic it was deemed unreliable.
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When to Use All of the Sudden
All of the sudden is an incorrect formulation of the phrase all of a sudden. Given the fact that it’s not the correct spelling of the phrase, it is rarely used in print.
That is an incorrect statement. I see it in print often. Or at least in electronic font.
VAERS is merely an information gathering tool. It is not meant to be a definitive conclusion of anything.
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VAERS has been around a long time, but all the sudden during the scamdemic it was deemed unreliable.
It was always anecdotal and therefore somewhat meaningless. Never meant to be a scientifically accurate set of data, but rather a collection point for all the perceived and real side effects of drugs so that they could then be addressed and studied. One of the results was the requirement that all “known” side effects be listed with any prescription drug you get, hence the completely useless mice type they give you listing dozens of every kind of woe you can imagine: headache, constipation, diarrhea, fatigue; the ever popular “anal leakage”, and so on and so forth.
That VAERS was ever reliable in the first place was the lie. But it was at least a source of some data besides the formal studies that drug companies made of their own drugs, with the insane expectation that they would be unbiased. And as Peter and Jim point out, even a good study has to account for the placebo effect.
The truth is we will never know the truth about the vaccine. The truth has been hopelessly and permanently compromised. There are only a few facts we know for certain:
1. It causes myocarditis in young males (but so does covid the disease).
2. It is not anywhere near 100% effective at stopping transmission.
3. It does seem to lessen severity of disease in certain groups (the old and sick).
4. It becomes less effective as the virus evolves.
5. It is a massive money maker for the drug corporations.
That’s it. All the rest is speculation, conspiracy theories, or utterly muddled conclusions from incomplete data. The speculations, conspiracy theories and muddled conclusions may be true. They also might not be. Probably some are and some are not or some are in a modified way.
It’s reasonable to conclude that in certain groups the possible risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits and therefore those groups should never receive it. Children and young adult males first and foremost. Beyond that it should be the personal choice of every individual. Mandating the vaccine to keep your job or stay in the military or for children to go to school, for a disease that we quickly figured out had a death rate not much worse than influenza is deplorable authoritarian overreach made possible by portraying a flu-like illness into a terrifying monster so the public would be frightened into accepting these mandates.
However, making the vaccine into a similar horrifying monster is also not helpful. There are men now who refuse to consider marrying a woman who has had the vaccine because of the belief the vaccine is “in her DNA” and will contaminate her children. Is banishing someone who has had the vaccine any different from banishing someone who has not? Extremism on both sides.
This whole thing needs to go away. Get out of our collective minds. Covid has become just a bad cold. The vaccine and boosters need to go away now and we need to put this whole catastrophe behind us.
What we need to do now is make sure it never happens again. Not the pandemic, there will be other pandemics, but allowing government to use a pandemic for a power and money grab, to force us out of our jobs, destroy our businesses, damage the supply chain, lock us into our homes, arrest us for walking on the beach, and fix an election with unvetted mail in ballots. That is the real threat, not anecdotal side effects of the vax.
Maybe we are now too complacent and pussified to make sure this never happens again.
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When to Use All of the SuddenThat is an incorrect statement. I see it in print often. Or at least in electronic font.
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VAERS is merely an information gathering tool. It is not meant to be a definitive conclusion of anything.
No one said it was, but it does contain data, and our government was busy censoring any negative information concerning the vax, so they narrative became VAERS is unreliable.
The narrative was "Safe and Effective".
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No one said it was, but it does contain data, and our government was busy censoring any negative information concerning the vax, so they narrative became VAERS is unreliable.
The narrative was "Safe and Effective".
Yes they did do that and they implied two was all you’d need. Then after realizing (or maybe they knew all along) that the protection wears off after as little as two months (!) they roll out the endless booster train.
Endless money grab more like it.
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The VAERS dust up is really about information that does not support the leftist lies about the scam Covid and scam vaccine. Once the info, any info, failed to support their agenda it was deemed useless.
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No one said it was, but it does contain data, and our government was busy censoring any negative information concerning the vax, so they narrative became VAERS is unreliable.
The narrative was "Safe and Effective".
Agreed. And I do remember hearing "practically" 100% effective.
Then 90%
Then 75%
Then . . .
Then a 3rd one is needed.
Then perhaps annually.
Then, Well, at least it usually keeps you from dying if/when you catch the disease.
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Government allows vaccines to be rushed to market, vaccine turns out to not be effective and/or has a lot of negative side effects, said government is footing the bill for vaccines and is attempting, through coercion, to mandate them. One wonders why said government wants to suppress negative information.
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Government allows vaccines to be rushed to market, vaccine turns out to not be effective and/or has a lot of negative side effects, said government is footing the bill for vaccines and is attempting, through coercion, to mandate them. One wonders why said government wants to suppress negative information.
Bribes will do that,.
BIG bribes just do it more forcefully.
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Government allows vaccines to be rushed to market, vaccine turns out to not be effective and/or has a lot of negative side effects, said government is footing the bill for vaccines and is attempting, through coercion, to mandate them. One wonders why said government wants to suppress negative information.
It wasn't just suppress, the government engaged in full censorship. Under the guise of an emergency they violated everyone's constitutional rights, then went further. Doctors who disagreed with the state controlled narrative were censored and banned, and in a few instances lost their licenses to practice.
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Blah, blah, blah.
Why don't we just come out and admit the truth: This whole thing, from start to end, was to stymie the re-election of Pres. Donald Trump.
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When to Use All of the SuddenThat is an incorrect statement. I see it in print often. Or at least in electronic font.
VAERS is merely an information gathering tool. It is not meant to be a definitive conclusion of anything.
We were told that VAERS was anecdotal and voluntary and thus unreliable. But A PLURALITY OF ANECDOTES IS DATA. It takes around 30 minutes for a health care professional to record an observed shot side effect in VAERS. Many said they could not spare that time. How many victims or family members didn’t either? If we can know for sure that things that didn’t happen (“You’d have had a worse case without your 2, 3, 4, 6 vaccines!”) can be quantified, why not quantify the missing injury reports?
This stuff wasn’t a shot. It was shit.
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Blah, blah, blah.
Why don't we just come out and admit the truth: This whole thing, from start to end, was to stymie the re-election of Pres. Donald Trump.
If the virus itself wasn’t planned to do that, it was very quickly abused for that exact purpose. Once they got the idea (and they got it early on) that they could justify universal mail in ballots because of lockdowns and public fear, the fix was in.
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If the virus itself wasn’t planned to do that, it was very quickly abused for that exact purpose. Once they got the idea (and they got it early on) that they could justify universal mail in ballots because of lockdowns and public fear, the fix was in.
barry the bathhouse boy’s trained puppy, rham emmanuel said it best.
“Never let a good crisis go to waste.”
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barry the bathhouse boy’s trained puppy, rham emmanuel said it best.
“Never let a good crisis go to waste.”
That's why I'm expecting they're going to manufacture another crisis before November. Possibly Biden is purposely leaving the border wide open because he WANTS as many terrorists as possible spread throughout the U.S. and he is hoping (or the CIA is coordinating with ISIS or whatever) to have a major multi-city terror attack this summer. That will make everybody want to vote for the incumbent LOL!!! Or, if that doesn't suddenly make everyone prefer Biden, justify suspending the election altogether. Which of course they can't legally do but I don't think the Biden tyranny is going to let that stop them.
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https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1786788122094674106
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Blah, blah, blah.
Why don't we just come out and admit the truth: This whole thing, from start to end, was to stymie the re-election of Pres. Donald Trump.
Bingo! And it worked because of fraudulent mail in ballots with them using the Covid excuse.
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Ow that the whistleblower admitted in court that the communist democrats cut President Trump out of the loop on Jan 6 we all know who the traitors are and what their agenda was.
Every fuckwad democrat the defended the communist democrat lies about Jan 6 was just as treasonous.
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And even more covid lies
https://twitter.com/nataliegwinters/status/1791093229485519302
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And even more covid lies
https://twitter.com/nataliegwinters/status/1791093229485519302
That six foot separation from other people (strangers) was the only thing I liked about the over-reaction to Covid. I wish we could make that permanent.
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The lockdowns were unnecessary and very damaging socially, economically and educationally.
The vaccines were a lie and money making scam for the elite.
The masks were only to show the populace would be subservient and subjugated.