Post by: Number7 on April 25, 2016, 07:47:00 AM
The call to refuse to comply with idiotic, repulsive, and ignorant regulations, orders, and judicial findings is growing.
I believe the Obama Administration would love to provoke violence against those who would insist upon protecting the women in their lives from the gross invasion of privacy committed by the cross dressing, freaks, and the intentional frauds who wish to prey upon young girls.
The point is quickly approaching when citizens will refuse to be bullied by the government.
It seems like progressives love the idea of violence against anyone that dares to speak out against their agenda. Just look at their instant, and hateful response every time it happens. Barack Obama isn't someone who cares about individual rights, or the constitutional protections against the government, and as the current father of the progressive movement, his words and actions have empowered fascist attacks against those who speak against him and his corruption.
The British tax on tea was the tipping point once-upon-a-time.
What will be the current tipping point?
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Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 07:59:03 AM
Post by: nddons on April 25, 2016, 07:59:46 AM
Post by: Dav8or on April 25, 2016, 07:54:45 PM
Post by: Mase on April 25, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
I've already had that in mind, though I'd be standing outside the door. If a dude walked in, he's getting tossed out if my wife or daughter were in there.
The problem with that is that the guy in there guarding his daughter when YOU walk in might not take kindly to you being there.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 26, 2016, 04:01:10 AM
Yep. Not a problem in the world that can't be fixed with a meme.
or a hashtag
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 26, 2016, 05:41:42 AM
Post by: JeffDG on April 26, 2016, 05:59:14 AM
There is a meme going around showing a lady, Sarina, and a muscular man. Apparently both had sex change operations in the past. The meme alleges that according to the new NC law the man would have to use the ladies room and the lady would have to use the men's room. A FB friend of mine shared it so I immediately called him out on it and quoted the NC Law showing that their birth certificates would now show their new genders. He and his friends didn't like that and immediately changed the subject and went on the attack. I went to his wall this morning to try and find the meme and it would appear that he deleted the posts.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 26, 2016, 06:16:57 AM
A FB friend of mine shared it so I immediately called him out on it and quoted the NC Law showing that their birth certificates would now show their new genders.
"new genders"? wth?
kind of reminds me of someone proposing a law to change the value of pi to 3.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 26, 2016, 06:33:59 AM
"new genders"? wth?
kind of reminds me of someone proposing a law to change the value of pi to 3.
In some places you can petition to have your gender changed on your birth certificate changed as a transgender.
Remember, in this Democrats America you can be whatever you want.
Post by: bflynn on April 26, 2016, 06:37:55 AM
There is a meme going around showing a lady, Sarina, and a muscular man. Apparently both had sex change operations in the past. The meme alleges that according to the new NC law the man would have to use the ladies room and the lady would have to use the men's room. A FB friend of mine shared it so I immediately called him out on it and quoted the NC Law showing that their birth certificates would now show their new genders. He and his friends didn't like that and immediately changed the subject and went on the attack. I went to his wall this morning to try and find the meme and it would appear that he deleted the posts.
Do tell.
The awkward part isn't the people who pass for the opposite sex. They will go into the bathroom, do their business and nobody will be the wiser.
There are three places that we run into trouble -
1) Transgender / crossdressers that don't pass. These people stand out no matter what bathroom they use because THEY STAND OUT.
2) No matter what your gender, you have no business exposing yourself in a place with a minor of the biologically opposite sex can see it. That's illegal today but there are people who do it.
3) Perverts who want to use crossdressing as way to gain access to bathrooms of the opposite sex for a thrill. In all the stories I've found of them, these are primarily men.
Ok, so let's address that.
1) no rules by anyone on public bathroom use. Bathrooms exist for the purpose of public sanitation and let's not complicate it beyond that.
2) If you are transgender then you bear a heightened responsibility not to expose your genitalia to a minor of the other sex. That's the law today and if you break it then you are guilty of corruption of a minor and you may wind up being forced to register as a sex offender the same way the flasher in the trench coat would. Sorry, but heap it on the pile of burdens you have to bear.
3) Bathrooms exist for the purposes of public sanitation. If you are caught using a public bathroom for sexual gratification then it is 1) A class ? misdemeanor for all parties if it is consensual or 2) a class ? felony if it involves an involuntary participant or a minor and you must register as a sex offender.
Bathroom functions are private and for sanitation and as long as you keep it in that realm then we can all get along.
Probably makes way too much sense.
Post by: nddons on April 26, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
Do tell.HATER!!
The awkward part isn't the people who pass for the opposite sex. They will go into the bathroom, do their business and nobody will be the wiser.
There are three places that we run into trouble -
1) Transgender / crossdressers that don't pass. These people stand out no matter what bathroom they use because THEY STAND OUT.
2) No matter what your gender, you have no business exposing yourself in a place with a minor of the biologically opposite sex can see it. That's illegal today but there are people who do it.
3) Perverts who want to use crossdressing as way to gain access to bathrooms of the opposite sex for a thrill. In all the stories I've found of them, these are primarily men.
Ok, so let's address that.
1) no rules by anyone on public bathroom use. Bathrooms exist for the purpose of public sanitation and let's not complicate it beyond that.
2) If you are transgender then you bear a heightened responsibility not to expose your genitalia to a minor of the other sex. That's the law today and if you break it then you are guilty of corruption of a minor and you may wind up being forced to register as a sex offender the same way the flasher in the trench coat would. Sorry, but heap it on the pile of burdens you have to bear.
3) Bathrooms exist for the purposes of public sanitation. If you are caught using a public bathroom for sexual gratification then it is 1) A class ? misdemeanor for all parties if it is consensual or 2) a class ? felony if it involves an involuntary participant or a minor and you must register as a sex offender.
Bathroom functions are private and for sanitation and as long as you keep it in that realm then we can all get along.
Probably makes way too much sense.
It makes sense, and I agree. But you also have to include locker rooms in your analysis, because that appears to be included in many of these laws, and that is where I can see significant problems arise.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 26, 2016, 08:30:27 AM
In some places you can petition to have your gender changed on your birth certificate changed as a transgender.
Remember, in this Democrats America you can be whatever you want.
yep, democrats want to be whatever you want.... include completely ignorant of, ya know, actual science.
for all the whining of various liberals (here and in the POA SZ) regarding "settled" science, they are notably absent wrt people with Y chromosomes claiming to be a woman, etc.
Post by: asechrest on April 26, 2016, 09:05:14 AM
yep, democrats want to be whatever you want.... include completely ignorant of, ya know, actual science.
for all the whining of various liberals (here and in the POA SZ) regarding "settled" science, they are notably absent wrt people with Y chromosomes claiming to be a woman, etc.
Probably because the science is not that simple.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 26, 2016, 09:09:14 AM
Probably because the science is not that simple.
and you think that because?
Post by: asechrest on April 26, 2016, 09:34:45 AM
and you think that because?
Because I have done some reading on it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 26, 2016, 10:15:17 AM
Post by: FastEddieB on April 26, 2016, 10:49:59 AM
and you think that because?
One take here:
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4463 (https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4463)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 26, 2016, 01:46:13 PM
Because I have done some reading on it.
oh, well, that makes you an expert.
Post by: Little Joe on April 26, 2016, 02:01:28 PM
The problem with that is that the guy in there guarding his daughter when YOU walk in might not take kindly to you being there.I believe Stan said he would be standing on the outside of the door. Your guy that is inside watching his daughter is the pervert! ;D
How about a compromise?
If one is confused about their gender, then they may use the men's room. I think that is ok for many reasons that I don't particularly want to go into right now.
Post by: nddons on April 26, 2016, 02:06:17 PM
I believe Stan said he would be standing on the outside of the door. Your guy that is inside watching his daughter is the pervert! ;DDing ding ding ding! We have a winner. It's easy to implement too.
How about a compromise?
If one is confused about their gender, then they may use the men's room. I think that is ok for many reasons that I don't particularly want to go into right now.
Until the whining starts. On the news last night I saw this large black guy at a rally with a wig, boobs, and a dress on, saying how unfair it would be for "them" to "force me to use the men's bathroom!" Cheers ensued. We are truly screwed.
Post by: asechrest on April 26, 2016, 03:10:21 PM
oh, well, that makes you an expert.
No, not an expert. But it's factually not the case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome) that all males have a Y chromosome. Additional reading makes it clear that it is not as simple (http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html) as you seem to suggest. And this is without getting into the sex vs. gender debate.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 26, 2016, 03:21:10 PM
No, not an expert. But it's factually not the case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome) that all males have a Y chromosome. Additional reading makes it clear that it is not as simple (http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html) as you seem to suggest. And this is without getting into the sex vs. gender debate.
do you understand the concept of genetic defect? and birth defect?
Post by: asechrest on April 26, 2016, 03:38:29 PM
do you understand the concept of genetic defect? and birth defect?
Yes. Next question.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 26, 2016, 03:57:41 PM
Yes. Next question.
apparently you don't consider a "male" without a Y chromsome to be a defect.
Post by: asechrest on April 26, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
apparently you don't consider a "male" without a Y chromsome to be a defect.
I haven't said that. I simply successfully refuted your apparent position. Some people without a Y chromosome are decidedly male, and some people with a Y chromosome are decidedly female. As well as quite a few other chromosomal variations. And further discussion could be had about sex vs. gender and other things. But if your mind is made up, so be it.
Post by: JeffDG on April 27, 2016, 05:59:08 AM
But not "factually male"
Personally, I identify as an attack helicopter.
Post by: Number7 on April 27, 2016, 06:04:14 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 27, 2016, 06:10:44 AM
Personally, I identify as an attack helicopter.
Cobra? Apache? Comanche? :)
Post by: asechrest on April 27, 2016, 06:13:57 AM
"Decidedly male"
But not "factually male"
Personally, I identify as an attack helicopter.
Factually male.
And to answer Anthony - Apache (https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/2c4mfv/i_sexually_identify_as_an_attack_helicopter/). :D
Post by: JeffDG on April 27, 2016, 06:36:52 AM
Cobra? Apache? Comanche? :)Model fluid.
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2016, 06:37:49 AM
I haven't said that. I simply successfully refuted your apparent position. Some people without a Y chromosome are decidedly male, and some people with a Y chromosome are decidedly female. As well as quite a few other chromosomal variations. And further discussion could be had about sex vs. gender and other things. But if your mind is made up, so be it.Are you saying this fight is all about genetically defective people? Because I don't believe that for a minute. This "use whatever bathroom/locker room you 'identify' with" movement is yet another battleground in the war to mainstream deviance and "alternative lifestyles."
I have no idea how many transgenders exist in the US. I suspect it is larger than the number of people with chromosomal defects. But I do believe that the number of registered sex offenders far, far outnumber the number of transgenders. And therein lies THE problem.
In a world where the left is critical of males and what they call a "rape culture" on campuses and elsewhere, the same group of leftists and LGBT activists are now forcing, BY LAW, men like Bruce Jenner to be allowed to use women's bathrooms and locker rooms.
Just wait. The rapes will come.
Post by: asechrest on April 27, 2016, 06:42:55 AM
Are you saying this fight is all about genetically defective people?
No. But I am fighting against an inappropriate simplification of sex and gender, which is why I entered the conversation with Bob.
Post by: Number7 on April 27, 2016, 09:04:17 AM
No. But I am fighting against an inappropriate simplification of sex and gender, which is why I entered the conversation with Bob.
The simple approach is far too complicated for progressives because it fails to allow for all the whining, wailing and gnashing of teeth used to hijack the law to pander to a small block of potential voters.
You are either and innie or an outie. Your access to public bathrooms or showers should be as simple as that.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 27, 2016, 09:10:10 AM
No. But I am fighting against an inappropriate simplification of sex and gender, which is why I entered the conversation with Bob.
There are the normal XY people, the normal XX people, and the very few genetically defective people.
It really is that simple.
Those that want to claim than an XY can actually be a woman in a man's body are on drugs.
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2016, 09:14:38 AM
There are the normal XY people, the normal XX people, and the very few genetically defective people.I have a certain sympathy for anyone with a birth defect, and I don't mind making certain accommodations for them and providing them certain essential services.
It really is that simple.
Those that want to claim than an XY can actually be a woman in a man's body are on drugs.
But that doesn't man I am going to allow them in the restrooms with my "women-folk". Let them in the men's room if they can't decide which one is appropriate.
Post by: bflynn on April 27, 2016, 12:13:35 PM
I have no idea how many transgenders exist in the US.
Activist for the cause report 80,000 that have officially changed their legal gender and 5 times that many total. I would expect, given their activist role and the difficult in counting these things that they're over reporting. But by their own estimate about 300,000 people max.
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2016, 02:16:36 PM
Activist for the cause report 80,000 that have officially changed their legal gender and 5 times that many total. I would expect, given their activist role and the difficult in counting these things that they're over reporting. But by their own estimate about 300,000 people max.So, 0.0009 of the population. And probably half of them are in San Francisco.
Post by: Number7 on April 29, 2016, 08:24:17 AM
So, 0.0009 of the population. And probably half of them are in San Francisco.
None of whom would be disenfranchised by having to use the bathroom that corresponds to their plumbing.
Post by: Anthony on April 29, 2016, 08:28:29 AM
None of whom would be disenfranchised by having to use the bathroom that corresponds to their plumbing.
This is a Media/Democrat generated NON ISSUE. It is a another fabricated problem to further divide us. It is calculated, and cunning. It parallels the divisiveness promoted using race, gender, sexual orientation, political beliefs, religion, etc. All constructed to keep us infighting, and at each other's throats as a purposeful distraction so we don't focus on the real problems, and unite against Government, media, and education.
Post by: Dav8or on April 29, 2016, 08:36:56 AM
This is a Media/Democrat generated NON ISSUE. It is a another fabricated problem to further divide us. It is calculated, and cunning. It parallels the divisiveness promoted using race, gender, sexual orientation, political beliefs, religion, etc. All constructed to keep us infighting, and at each other's throats as a purposeful distraction so we don't focus on the real problems, and unite against Government, media, and education.
I agree. It's election year pandering. The Democrats present themselves as the champions of civil rights. With this kind of stupidity, they can show their base they did something and illustrate how the Republicans are "obstructionist" and hate minorities. All of it a smoke screen to cover the real problems we face as a country and as you say, divide us.
Post by: nddons on April 29, 2016, 02:46:32 PM
None of whom would be disenfranchised by having to use the bathroom that corresponds to their plumbing.Exactly.