PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: InTheSoup on May 13, 2019, 06:14:42 PM
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This is such BS! I have daughter that is very competitive in sports and this crap has to stop..
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/05/06/8th-place-high-school-girls-speak-out-on-getting-beat-by-biological-boys/?fbclid=IwAR3sI4yASr40YzTeBCaHM_lAQErobZZnX0k-Wb6DZxNP1NoUapwOJ8-YdxU
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The fake tranny thing is another in a long line of asshole liberal stupidity, coupled with young idiots and their obsession with getting attention. Now that Rachel Doezel (so) got away with pretending to be black and that moron from mass got away with pretending to be an Indian, we’re supposed to pretend asshole boys are really girls so they can get attention AND cheat like every good liberal will whenever given a chance.
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Wow. It’s going to edge out biological women completely and the sport will end up being men’s and tranny’s.
Good job liberals and feminists. Once again your insanity only hurts women.
Edit: make no mistake, I want transgenders to be accepted and to live happy lives. One of my best friends was transgender. He committed suicide and drives my desire to see more research to help these people.
At the same time there is no denying that being born male endows you with greater muscle mass and more strength. It is unfair to women to complete on the same field with biological males even if they transition completely. It sounds unfair to the tranny but life isn’t always fair and this is a case of the greater good for the most people.
This sort of problem only serves to make people resent transgenders and doesn’t help their cause.
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The ONLY thing liberals care about is themselves.
Liberalism is comprised of the most selfish people in the country, all hating the rest of us.
I’ve run the hurricane relief efforts in our county for the last four years and have yet to meet a single volunteer who identified as a liberal. The only ones I’ve run across were all paid by local, state Aand/or the federal government because liberals Talk about humanitarianism while the rest of us live it.
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Wow. It’s going to edge out biological women completely and the sport will end up being men’s and tranny’s.
Good job liberals and feminists. Once again your insanity only hurts women.
Edit: make no mistake, I want transgenders to be accepted and to live happy lives. One of my best friends was transgender. He committed suicide and drives my desire to see more research to help these people.
At the same time there is no denying that being born male endows you with greater muscle mass and more strength. It is unfair to women to complete on the same field with biological males even if they transition completely. It sounds unfair to the tranny but life isn’t always fair and this is a case of the greater good for the most people.
This sort of problem only serves to make people resent transgenders and doesn’t help their cause.
This is one of those issues where lesbian feminism is 100% allied with scientific reality (and just plain common sense). That it's unfair to allow biological males to compete with biological females in most sports is something pretty much everyone who has given this much thought agrees with - except for the trans community of course, and the Far Left. I would contend, though, that the Far Left really hasn't thought this through and is too focused on the (very real) oppression and ostracism that trans people endure. The trans community, unfortunately, pushes the lie that cross-gender hormones completely undo years of natural masculinization. I will pick one nit with what you said, regarding muscle mass: as the IOC found, a sufficient time on estrogen (something like 2 years) does erase the advantage males have in sheer muscle bulk. What remains, though, an androgenized bone structure that anchors those muscles, can't be erased by hormones and the advantage it gives doesn't go away even after years and even decades.
This is not a new issue btw. Google Michelle Dumaresq for an example of someone who triggered lots of controversy a decade and more ago.
There is also the flip side of this, the question of how much (if any) unfair advantage *natural* androgens confer to biological females with conditions like CAH. Olympian Caster Semenya is someone unfortunately caught at the center of this controversy right now. Sadly we're going to be hearing more and more about this in the next few years.
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^^^^^^Thanks Azure. That makes a lot of sense. The Left always over reaches, and over reacts to what they perceive as past indiscretions, real, or invented. This hurts their case as it often reflects a radical reaction. Statues coming down, murals of George Washington coming down, Affirmative Action, corporate PC policy, Male Punishment disguised as "Feminism", White Punishment disguised as Civil Rights, Hate Speech, PC Speech, etc.
I am tired of the Left punishing people and traditional values for thing tat occurred decades or centuries ago. It is an excuse to control, gain power, and government favoritism.
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This is one of those issues where lesbian feminism is 100% allied with scientific reality (and just plain common sense). That it's unfair to allow biological males to compete with biological females in most sports is something pretty much everyone who has given this much thought agrees with - except for the trans community of course, and the Far Left. I would contend, though, that the Far Left really hasn't thought this through and is too focused on the (very real) oppression and ostracism that trans people endure. The trans community, unfortunately, pushes the lie that cross-gender hormones completely undo years of natural masculinization. I will pick one nit with what you said, regarding muscle mass: as the IOC found, a sufficient time on estrogen (something like 2 years) does erase the advantage males have in sheer muscle bulk. What remains, though, an androgenized bone structure that anchors those muscles, can't be erased by hormones and the advantage it gives doesn't go away even after years and even decades.
This is not a new issue btw. Google Michelle Dumaresq for an example of someone who triggered lots of controversy a decade and more ago.
There is also the flip side of this, the question of how much (if any) unfair advantage *natural* androgens confer to biological females with conditions like CAH. Olympian Caster Semenya is someone unfortunately caught at the center of this controversy right now. Sadly we're going to be hearing more and more about this in the next few years.
You brought up an excellent point about CAH! Even among normal humans there is great variation in lots of factors conferring and denying various advantages to individuals. It would be ludicrous to try to equalize every relevant factor, levels of adrenal and why stop there? Thyroid plays a huge part in energy and motivation. To be truly fair you’d have to equalize blood sugar, neurotransmitters and even height or leg length down to the last fraction of an inch.
The unfortunate reality is nature dishes out all these things unequally and in all sports we must for the most part accept these inequities and just assume that individual training is a far greater effect and can overwhelm these other differences. We ban artificial drug or hormone enhancement and we set the bar differently for males vs females. In some sports we try to account for congenital physical differences like body size by having different competition classes. That’s the best we can do. If you overthink this to the nth degree then the whole idea of competitive sports goes out the window. What about mental sports like chess? You would have to worry about intellectual differences. Asians have on average 10 more IQ points than Caucasians. Should we not ban them from chess competition?
One could argue for transgenders competing as females based on the above. However the sexual dimorphism of our species is on average greater than any of these other things one presumes. Still you could argue that the advantage given by height has made basketball evolve over time to include only very tall people. Isn’t that unfair to short people? How is trannies in track different than that? I’m being devil’s advocate here. I don’t think anyone would argue that short people have a “right” to play professional basketball and then complain it’s harder for them to make a basket. Likewise women don’t have a “right” to run track and then complain a TG has an unfair advantage. Or do they? Women’s track being for women only is a defined constraint of the sport. To my knowledge no one has made a rule that being abnormally tall is mandatory to play basketball. Or have they?
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This is one of those issues where lesbian feminism is 100% allied with scientific reality (and just plain common sense). That it's unfair to allow biological males to compete with biological females in most sports is something pretty much everyone who has given this much thought agrees with - except for the trans community of course, and the Far Left. I would contend, though, that the Far Left really hasn't thought this through and is too focused on the (very real) oppression and ostracism that trans people endure. The trans community, unfortunately, pushes the lie that cross-gender hormones completely undo years of natural masculinization. I will pick one nit with what you said, regarding muscle mass: as the IOC found, a sufficient time on estrogen (something like 2 years) does erase the advantage males have in sheer muscle bulk. What remains, though, an androgenized bone structure that anchors those muscles, can't be erased by hormones and the advantage it gives doesn't go away even after years and even decades.
This is not a new issue btw. Google Michelle Dumaresq for an example of someone who triggered lots of controversy a decade and more ago.
There is also the flip side of this, the question of how much (if any) unfair advantage *natural* androgens confer to biological females with conditions like CAH. Olympian Caster Semenya is someone unfortunately caught at the center of this controversy right now. Sadly we're going to be hearing more and more about this in the next few years.
The left didn't even wait for the ink to dry on the same-sex marriage law in my state before insisting our AG slap a lawsuit on florist Baronelle Stutzman, whom I know personally. The media narrative is the polar opposite of what actually happened. I’m going out on a limb here and say that the left NEVER thinks things things through. The right is not immune from doing that, but the left seems to have prefrontal lobe issues on a grand scale. Feelz v. realz.
We all know that focusing on something overmuch gives it great, distorted power, and that power can be used to destroy. The left is trying to use exaggerated, over-focused attention on various outlier groups to try and make conservatives seem like haters. To the left’s dismay, the narrative doesn’t hold up. Conservatives for the most part live with, love, care for and accept all the trans, gays and people of all colors and ilk we have in our lives ... family, friends, coworkers ... and for the left to hold up a facade that screams otherwise is a losing proposition. It results in movements like WalkAway.
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I’m going out on a limb here and say that the left NEVER thinks things things through. The right is not immune from doing that, but the left seems to have prefrontal lobe issues on a grand scale. Feelz v. realz.
After all the Dims are the ones who came up with the 'nuclear option' in the Senate. Guess they never thought the Repubs would use it.
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I'd be happier if they created a 3rd class of sporting events,
Male
Female
Transgender
If they can't find enough other trannys to fill out a team, or to compete against, well that is their problem.
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How is it fair that females transitioning to male have to compete with "natural" males who are much stronger and faster? They are at a clear disadvantage. All natural males must carry a 50 pound backpack to make it a fair competition.
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What everyone misses when they contemplate trannies and the liberal fascination with courting them, is that liberals couldn’t care less about transsexuals, except as a source of potential power.
Liberals care about control and power...
nothing else...
None of the time.
Take away the power grab and you would have zero interest on the part 9f the comm7nist party (calling themselves democrats is a straight up lie).
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I'd be happier if they created a 3rd class of sporting events,
Male
Female
Transgender
If they can't find enough other trannys to fill out a team, or to compete against, well that is their problem.
The females transitioning to male would lose to the male transitioning to female.
The rules would have to include 2 Transgender groups to make it fair.
That would screw up the Title 9 rules in all kinds of ways. ;D
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The females transitioning to male would lose to the male transitioning to female.
The rules would have to include 2 Transgender groups to make it fair.
I thought about that, but I figured that they seem to think it is fair. They think the hormone shots girls get to make them boys makes them more boy like, and the shots the boys get to make them girls make them more girl like. They seem to think they can compete with their new-found gender with biologically intact people, so their new gender would where they meet in the middle.
That would screw up the Titile 9 rules in all kinds of ways. ;D
It's already screwed up. It might force a little logic to be introduced; like proportionate funding instead of equal funding.