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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on June 16, 2016, 08:11:39 AM

Title: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: nddons on June 16, 2016, 08:11:39 AM
WTF Joe???  I used to kind of like this guy, despite being a democrat. He even piloted the WV Cessna Caravan when he was governor. Is this what being inside the beltway gets you, even though he's only been a senator for 6 years?

"So much for the oath to uphold the Constitution, eh? “Due process is what’s killing us right now,” said Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) on Morning Joe today in pushing for a bill to use secret watch lists to deny Americans civil rights. In place of due process, Manchin proposes a five-year suspension of civil rights and surveillance when the FBI fails to find anything wrong after “suspicion” arises … just to be safe, of course."

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/16/us-senator-get-rid-of-due-process-its-killing-us/
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: acrogimp on June 16, 2016, 08:22:01 AM
Fuck all of these people



'Gimp
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2016, 08:29:28 AM
Another career politician that has lost touch with reality.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: LevelWing on June 16, 2016, 09:06:12 AM
This is just downright scary. Suspension of civil rights for 5 years based on "suspicion" and the subject has to show "good behavior" during that time? Last time I checked, being required to maintain good behavior for a period of time was called "probation" or "parole" and comes after a criminal conviction and is part of the sentencing. He's trying to skip that entire process. This will be abused and soon enough conservatives will be on that list.

This man needs to be recalled and/or impeached.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2016, 09:21:32 AM
This is just downright scary. Suspension of civil rights for 5 years based on "suspicion" and the subject has to show "good behavior" during that time? Last time I checked, being required to maintain good behavior for a period of time was called "probation" or "parole" and comes after a criminal conviction and is part of the sentencing. He's trying to skip that entire process. This will be abused and soon enough conservatives will be on that list.

This man needs to be recalled and/or impeached.

 Yet the voters in his district will tell you he is doing a great job.  Congress and Senate are immune from removal due to voter apathy and they know once in office it's hard to get them out.  This is yet another reason for term limits.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: Steingar on June 16, 2016, 10:46:43 AM
Fortunately there are lots of other congressfolks that he has to convince, and most of have a somewhat better grasp of the US Constitution.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: Little Joe on June 16, 2016, 11:39:58 AM
Fortunately there are lots of other congressfolks that he has to convince, and most of have a somewhat better grasp of the US Constitution.
Yeah.  Mostly the Republicans.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: Dav8or on June 16, 2016, 01:17:21 PM
Fortunately there are lots of other congressfolks that he has to convince, and most of have a somewhat better grasp of the US Constitution.

Yeah.  Mostly the Republicans.

And they will be called stonewallers holding up vital legislation designed to protect us all with their usual party of no vote.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: Jaybird180 on June 16, 2016, 01:18:46 PM
There ought to be a law against Prima Facie Stupidity.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: nddons on June 16, 2016, 01:45:19 PM
And they will be called stonewallers holding up vital legislation designed to protect us all with their usual party of no vote.
Are you agreeing with Manchin?
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: acrogimp on June 16, 2016, 02:08:49 PM
Are you agreeing with Manchin?
whether he agrees with Manchin or not that IS exactly how this will be portrayed.

'Gimp
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: LevelWing on June 16, 2016, 03:27:58 PM
whether he agrees with Manchin or not that IS exactly how this will be portrayed.

'Gimp
This is "common sense", after all, so why would anyone not want to support these "common sense" measures that will protect Americans?  ::)
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: bflynn on June 17, 2016, 06:32:59 AM
This is just downright scary. Suspension of civil rights for 5 years based on "suspicion" and the subject has to show "good behavior" during that time? Last time I checked, being required to maintain good behavior for a period of time was called "probation" or "parole" and comes after a criminal conviction and is part of the sentencing. He's trying to skip that entire process. This will be abused and soon enough conservatives will be on that list.

This man needs to be recalled and/or impeached.

Isn't this what we call the Patriot Act?  Maybe the answer is to admit that we were wrong to EVER do away with due process and to cancel the Patriot Act.  Of course then we'd have to admit that we acted stupidly out of fear and we've been too cowardly to admit it.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on June 17, 2016, 07:44:10 AM
Are you agreeing with Manchin?

I think that he is pointing out the irony.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: Dav8or on June 17, 2016, 09:14:25 AM
Are you agreeing with Manchin?

No, not agreeing.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: nddons on June 19, 2016, 01:15:27 PM
No, not agreeing.
Got it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sen. Joe Manchin: "Due process is what's killing us right now."
Post by: Anthony on June 20, 2016, 04:46:36 AM
Manchin is also an advocate for yet MORE gun control laws.