Post by: Number7 on August 29, 2021, 05:10:18 AM
Be safe.
Post by: Rush on August 29, 2021, 05:39:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 29, 2021, 06:18:11 AM
Should non vaccinated people be refused assistance?
Post by: Little Joe on August 29, 2021, 06:50:33 AM
How soon before the media starts blaming Trump and people who refused the vaccine?Even if they don't blame Trump, or the un-vaccinated, you know they won't blame Biden like they blamed Bush for Katrina.
Should non vaccinated people be refused assistance?
Although they will blame the un-vaccinated on the super spreader event that is sure to occur at the evacuation centers.
Post by: Lucifer on August 29, 2021, 07:13:53 AM
Even if they don't blame Trump, or the un-vaccinated, you know they won't blame Biden like they blamed Bush for Katrina.
Although they will blame the un-vaccinated on the super spreader event that is sure to occur at the evacuation centers.
But of course! These NO people aren’t “sophisticated”, therefore they are super spreaders.
If they just hold a birthday party for Obama, or hold a worship service for Pope Tony then all will be forgiven. Right?
Post by: Username on August 29, 2021, 07:28:17 AM
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2021, 08:56:31 AM
Time to start up the climate change crisis again.In 3…2…1…
Post by: Steingar on August 30, 2021, 10:07:34 AM
Post by: Username on August 30, 2021, 10:21:34 AM
No debate, the climate's changing. You can see that with your own eyes. The question that gets you guys all hot and bothered is the underlying cause.Exactly. No doubt that the climate is changing. It's been changing forever. And yes the debate is how much humans are the cause. And how sending money to the government will help one way or the other. I refuse to alter my behavior to address "climate change" until China, India, etc. are at least acknowledged as primary sources by Saint Greta.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 30, 2021, 10:46:24 AM
No debate, the climate's changing. You can see that with your own eyes. The question that gets you guys all hot and bothered is the underlying cause.
actually, the question that many people are interested in is: What is the correct temperature for the earth?
I realize that answering that question would be a blow to the whole mmgw weenies.
Post by: Anthony on August 30, 2021, 11:12:05 AM
No debate, the climate's changing. You can see that with your own eyes. The question that gets you guys all hot and bothered is the underlying cause.
There has always been severe and extreme weather. We also RECENTLY went for over TEN YEARS with no hurricanes making landfall on the U.S.
So climate and weather have nothing to do with Man using fossil fuels.
Post by: Username on August 30, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
This year we had the earliest warming after winter I've seen. Lots of crops got planted earlier and they grew much faster than usual. Corn was much taller by the fourth of July than anyone remembers. Cherry trees bloomed and had their harvest much earlier. Farmers are looking at an extra harvest.
There probably isn't any correct temperature. It's been way warmer and way colder than this even in historical times. We're in a warming period in an overall cooling cycle which is in a larger warming cycle which itself is in a much larger cooling cycle. It's not about the climate. It's about control.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2021, 11:33:39 AM
No debate, the climate's changing. You can see that with your own eyes. The question that gets you guys all hot and bothered is the underlying cause.
You mean like burning fossil fuel for entertainment? You know, like flying your airplane, riding your motorbikes or joyriding your car?
Post by: Rush on August 30, 2021, 11:39:18 AM
Exactly. And while some people are inconvenienced by warming, others are enjoying huge benefits like longer growing seasons. Some are flooded, others get oceanfront. Some get drying, others get more rain. But let's focus on the people having problems rather than people who have benefits. And conveniently ignore panic mongers like Obama buying houses on the beach.
This year we had the earliest warming after winter I've seen. Lots of crops got planted earlier and they grew much faster than usual. Corn was much taller by the fourth of July than anyone remembers. Cherry trees bloomed and had their harvest much earlier. Farmers are looking at an extra harvest.
There probably isn't any correct temperature. It's been way warmer and way colder than this even in historical times. We're in a warming period in an overall cooling cycle which is in a larger warming cycle which itself is in a much larger cooling cycle. It's not about the climate. It's about control.
This. The earth has been a lot warmer in the past and life is much more diverse and prolific during those times. It’s nothing to be afraid of.
Even if man is contributing to the earth warming, what are we to do about it? The only thing that will stop it is to kill most of the world’s population. Or stop all the electric power generation and technology dead in its tracks, we all go back to Stone Age living which will accomplish the same thing.
Not gonna happen. All of the supposed schemes to control climate change is just wealth transfer from the middle class to the political corporate elite, ALL of it. If they really believed in MMGW they wouldn’t buy beach houses and fly around in private jets.
Post by: Number7 on August 30, 2021, 12:19:54 PM
No debate, the climate's changing. You can see that with your own eyes. The question that gets you guys all hot and bothered is the underlying cause.
No one doubts that climate changes.
It takes a special kind of stupid to think that it is all caused by Americans and that paying money for useless carbon credits helps in any way, but keep lying, you fucking asshole.
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2021, 12:34:26 PM
No debate, the climate's changing. You can see that with your own eyes. The question that gets you guys all hot and bothered is the underlying cause.Yes, wanting to know the correct underlying cause is something we should all want to explore. Why do you wish to ignore it, as a scientist no less?
I’ve been saying this forever:
https://www.patriotproject.com/study-nearly-2-dozen-scientists-finds-sun-not-co2-may-chief-cause-global-warming/
Post by: Rush on August 30, 2021, 01:01:34 PM
Yes, wanting to know the correct underlying cause is something we should all want to explore. Why do you wish to ignore it, as a scientist no less?
I’ve been saying this forever:
https://www.patriotproject.com/study-nearly-2-dozen-scientists-finds-sun-not-co2-may-chief-cause-global-warming/
That’s been the leading most likely theory for a long time but doesn’t fit the agenda of the left. Nothing much we can do about the sun’s periodic radiance changes so can’t milk the taxpayer for money to enrich the corrupt elite. Make no mistake, none of the climate change policies are not about money.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 30, 2021, 05:16:24 PM
actually, the question that many people are interested in is: What is the correct temperature for the earth?
I realize that answering that question would be a blow to the whole mmgw weenies.
It's from the same school that prevents Dems from stating a number when asked "How much tax should anyone pay?"
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2021, 07:13:02 PM
Post by: bflynn on August 30, 2021, 07:14:23 PM
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2021, 07:49:19 PM
Not sure what else to do. US co2 emissions are the lowest since 1985 and still dropping, so it can't be us. That is assuming co2 has an actual impact on climate, and isn't absorbed in other ways, like growing more trees (vegetation is the highest in recorded history).Exactly. And with Biden’s push forward EVs, is anyone asking where all the lithium is being mined, or how it’s being mined, or how much the EV infrastructure will cost, or how much more electricity will have to be produced for the increased demand, or how these power plants are powered, or what happens when all these EVs get junked, along with their batteries? Fuck, I’m not supposed to throw a single AA battery in the trash.
Post by: Anthony on August 31, 2021, 02:44:09 AM
Exactly. And with Biden’s push forward EVs, is anyone asking where all the lithium is being mined, or how it’s being mined, or how much the EV infrastructure will cost, or how much more electricity will have to be produced for the increased demand, or how these power plants are powered, or what happens when all these EVs get junked, along with their batteries? Fuck, I’m not supposed to throw a single AA battery in the trash.
This is what I keep saying, but the MMGW zealots and EV religious and I mean religious keep pushing them just like they push the vaccine, masks and lockdowns. Same Marxist people wanting to control YOU.
EVs are a travel limiting, control measure. Nothing more. It also enables car companies to sell new products and their politician cronies to get more kickbacks.
Total fucking SCAM.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 31, 2021, 03:49:21 AM
Post by: nddons on August 31, 2021, 05:01:42 AM
They say Afghanistan is Lithium rich.Yes, and that the Chinese obtained mining rights from the Taliban.
Post by: Old Crow on August 31, 2021, 09:41:00 AM
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/what-are-afghanistans-untapped-minerals-resources-2021-08-19/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-eyes-1-trillion-minerals-110126621.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
This is what concerns me now.
https://www.thebalance.com/yuan-reserve-currency-to-global-currency-3970465
Post by: nddons on August 31, 2021, 11:31:47 AM
https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/six-largest-lithium-reserves-world/Maybe it’s not a bad trade if we get to cancel the $1.1 trillion of US Treasuries held by China.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/what-are-afghanistans-untapped-minerals-resources-2021-08-19/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-eyes-1-trillion-minerals-110126621.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
This is what concerns me now.
https://www.thebalance.com/yuan-reserve-currency-to-global-currency-3970465
Post by: Anthony on September 01, 2021, 05:55:45 AM
Maybe it’s not a bad trade if we get to cancel the $1.1 trillion of US Treasuries held by China.
Then who buys our debt in the future to keep the House of Cards from toppling? We LOVE are overly affluent, comfy lifestyles where we have the luxury to worry about MMGW, faux Racism, faux Sexism, faux Homophobia, etc. And not worry about real threats and issues that can really harm us.
Post by: nddons on September 01, 2021, 09:15:01 AM
Then who buys are debt in the future to keep the House of Cards from toppling? We LOVE are overly affluent, comfy lifestyles where we have the luxury to worry about MMGW, faux Racism, faux Sexism, faux Homophobia, etc. And not worry about real threats and issues that can really harm us.Killjoy. Let me enjoy sticking it to the CCP for a minute.
If that would kill the market for our Treasuries, then maybe, and I’m spitballing here, we learn to live within our means, stop deficit spending cold, and act like a nation of grownups instead of a nation of spoiled rich kids.
Post by: bflynn on September 01, 2021, 12:49:17 PM
EVs are a travel limiting, control measure.
The first part of this is real, the second probably isn't a thing.
A lot (all?) of the EV zealots approach it from the MMGW standpoint - they view car exhaust as a major source of pollution and in some areas, it's true. As pilots, I think we've all seen the "brown smudge" over large cities. I wouldn't classify it as intended as a control measure, at most it's a side effect, they're primarily concerned with pollution, including MMGW gases.
I believe at some point they'll have battery tech and charging to the point that electricity can be loaded into the batteries in not much longer than pumping gas. Not true yet. I have a mid range EV (160 miles/charge) and we've done some trips in it. Having to stop and charge adds significant time, so it isn't convenient. As long as the trip is under about 120 miles, I'm pretty comfortable going point to point and then recharging. A better car has more range (but Elon couldn't get T3s out when I needed a car)
My interest has been in money. I paid a little more for the car, but my "fill up" happens in my garage overnight and costs me about 1/10th of gas costs. Will I ever make that back? I don't know, but will find out.
Post by: Anthony on September 01, 2021, 07:16:26 PM
Post by: bflynn on September 01, 2021, 07:53:05 PM
Post by: Anthony on September 01, 2021, 11:20:49 PM
Except that it isn’t a control measure. I can drive coast to coast if I choose. I can also drive my car to the airport, fly to the other coast, and rent a car cheaper and quicker than driving. Where is the control in that? Nobody is prevented from traveling.
You yourself said it was less convenient and hard to charge on long trips. That is inconvenient and more time consuming therefore less likely for people to go through the hassle. It is limiting and there's a reason the elite want to limit travel. Yes, it is exactly controlling.
Post by: bflynn on September 02, 2021, 02:12:47 AM
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 03:27:47 AM
A lot (all?) of the EV zealots approach it from the MMGW standpoint -
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Additionally, nobody talks about limiting travel as a goal, it’s all about emissions.
While I mostly agree with you, I think you are missing the point about it being all about emissions.[/quote]
I want an EV for several reasons. Low emissions are probably at the bottom of my list. My friend has had a Tesla model X for about 6 years and I have driven it several times.
I am thoroughly amazed with the performance.
And I like the quiet. I love it when I punch the throttle and am quietly pushed back into the seat as the car accelerates faster than anything I have ever been in.
And I really like cutting out the gas station. My wife hates pumping gas so I have to take her vehicle to the gas station to fill it for her. I would love to wake up to a "full tank" every morning.
The range thing is only a slight deterrent for me, but not much because we fly anywhere that is out of easy rang for an EV anyway. And since both of my ICE vehicles are still in great shape, and paid for, I will be keeping them for a while as the range and efficiency of EVs improve. By then the charging network should be more widely available.
If it were all about the emissions, I would sell the Bonanza. Fat chance of that.
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 03:45:12 AM
https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/motor-trend-review-the-2022-rivian-r1t-is-the-most-remarkable-pickup-we%E2%80%99ve-ever-driven.1998/
Post by: bflynn on September 02, 2021, 05:24:33 AM
For the left, EVs are all about emissions and saving the planet. For me, it's money and a bit about independence. My local power comes from nuclear, so as much as I'm able to, we're off oil. Yes, oil is still embedded in our society so it's impossible to get away entirely right now, but I think one day it could happen.
Post by: bflynn on September 02, 2021, 05:26:29 AM
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 06:27:03 AM
Since this is a hurricane thread...Does the Rivian had the capability to act as a whole house battery to keep the power on? The Ford electric truck will do that, I don't know how common it is.Not sure how it compares with Ford, but there is this:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/38398/the-rivian-r1ts-onboard-power-supply-lit-up-20000-christmas-lights-with-a-single-outlet
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Power outlets in pickups are commonplace now. Heck, you could run a whole kitchen with the power from a new Ford F-150 hybrid. However, Rivian's display of holiday cheer was made even more impressive by the fact that all 20,000 LED lights were plugged into a single bed-mounted outlet. Mobile generators—they're so nice.
I'm not sure how much power it takes to run 20,000 LEDs.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 02, 2021, 06:40:06 AM
I'm not sure how much power it takes to run 20,000 LEDs.
A little googling suggests 70 bulbs draws 4.8 watts. So, it would seem that 20000 mini leds would require less than 1500 watts
Post by: Username on September 02, 2021, 06:45:11 AM
The plug is capable of 350 kw power delivery, which could theoretically deliver 300 miles of battery life in about 10 minutes. The cost will depend on the companies supplying the plug, but even doubling the power cost put it at only about $15 for the fill up.The sticking point isn't so much the plug as it is the 350 kw of power. If more than one car is charging at a time, you'll have to have a megawatt coming in the the station. That means all charging stations will have their own electric substations. Even 350 kw is a lot for rural charging. The grid as it's currently implemented can't handle that.
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 06:52:23 AM
A little googling suggests 70 bulbs draws 4.8 watts. So, it would seem that 20000 mini leds would require less than 1500 wattsI was planning on doing that search. I didn't think 20,000 LEDs drew much power. It was just the fact that it was done by one outlet from a truck that was interesting.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 02, 2021, 07:20:52 AM
I was planning on doing that search. I didn't think 20,000 LEDs drew much power. It was just the fact that it was done by one outlet from a truck that was interesting.
btw - when I said "a little googling", I didn't mean to imply anything.... just that I didn't do much research.
anyway, don't forget that 20,000 lights would also mean a lot wire... and the resulting power loss.
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 08:03:43 AM
Post by: bflynn on September 02, 2021, 08:09:06 AM
The sticking point isn't so much the plug as it is the 350 kw of power. If more than one car is charging at a time, you'll have to have a megawatt coming in the the station. That means all charging stations will have their own electric substations. Even 350 kw is a lot for rural charging. The grid as it's currently implemented can't handle that.
Multiple plugs at this would be a challenge.
I know there are stations today with 10x 150kw plugs already, but that doesn't mean all 10 can deliver 150kw at once.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 02, 2021, 09:27:05 AM
The sticking point isn't so much the plug as it is the 350 kw of power. If more than one car is charging at a time, you'll have to have a megawatt coming in the the station. That means all charging stations will have their own electric substations. Even 350 kw is a lot for rural charging. The grid as it's currently implemented can't handle that.
It looks like some of the Tesla V3 Supercharger stations have a battery on site that allows higher power charging than what the link to the nearest substation can handle. This article seems to have a lot of info on Tesla Superchargers:
https://teslatap.com/articles/supercharger-superguide/ (https://teslatap.com/articles/supercharger-superguide/)
“V3 Stall Limitations
The V3 Supercharger has a maximum grid power input of 350 kW and local battery storage input of 575 kW for a combined maximum input of 925 kW. Assuming a 5% conversion loss, this means 878 kW is available to four stalls. Now that assumes the battery has not been depleted. There could be a heavily used situation where the battery has been depleted, and then only the AC input is available, for a 350 * 0.95 = 332 kW that is available for the four stalls.
So you could have three Model Y cars charging at 250 kW, and a forth Model S 75 charging at 120 kW. It is unlikely four cars would converge on four stalls at the exact same time with very low SOC that would limit the power to one or more cars. In most cases, every car will get the maximum power they need.”
The Tesla Supercharger Emergency Response Guide shows the V3 chargers having a Tesla Powerpack battery: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Supercharger_First_Responder_Guide_en.pdf (https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Supercharger_First_Responder_Guide_en.pdf)
Post by: nddons on September 02, 2021, 01:18:15 PM
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 02:10:42 PM
The grid as it's currently implemented can't handle that.Key Word being "currently".
I'll wager that when gas powered automobiles started rolling out there were not very many gas stations around either.
The grid will expand to handle the load as the number of EV rollouts increase.
Post by: Rush on September 02, 2021, 02:27:35 PM
Key Word being "currently".
I'll wager that when gas powered automobiles started rolling out there were not very many gas stations around either.
The grid will expand to handle the load as the number of EV rollouts increase.
How is the grid going to expand when coal plants are shutting down all over the country, very long lead time for nuclear plants, natural gas is inappropriate for base generation, you can’t build new dams for hydro because “destroying habitats” and wind and solar won’t come close to doing the job.
Post by: Lucifer on September 02, 2021, 02:39:55 PM
How is the grid going to expand when coal plants are shutting down all over the country, very long lead time for nuclear plants, natural gas is inappropriate for base generation, you can’t build new dams for hydro because “destroying habitats” and wind and solar won’t come close to doing the job.
The "clean electric fairy" will come along..................
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 02:47:47 PM
The "clean electric fairy" will come along..................Yeah, that.
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 02:52:31 PM
How is the grid going to expand when coal plants are shutting down all over the country, very long lead time for nuclear plants, natural gas is inappropriate for base generation, you can’t build new dams for hydro because “destroying habitats” and wind and solar won’t come close to doing the job.Those things will take more time, but I was told by a nephew that is a mechanical engineer that I would be surprised at some of the projects that are about to come on line.
But something more near term (fewer years) is improved battery storage and a more efficient grid. Charging cars at varying rates at various times will make it easier to use the excess capacity we have during non-peak times.
I think we will see some significan advances in 2 years and even more in 10 years.
Post by: nddons on September 02, 2021, 04:11:11 PM
How is the grid going to expand when coal plants are shutting down all over the country, very long lead time for nuclear plants, natural gas is inappropriate for base generation, you can’t build new dams for hydro because “destroying habitats” and wind and solar won’t come close to doing the job.And Joe Biden shutting down pipelines faster than Kammy is getting rug burns on her knees.
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 04:49:55 PM
And Joe Biden shutting down pipelines faster than Kammy is getting rug burns on her knees.That doesn't mean anything. We can always buy more oil from OPEC.
Post by: Rush on September 02, 2021, 05:04:43 PM
That doesn't mean anything. We can always buy more oil from OPEC.
I’d prefer to kick the fucking Democrats out in 2024 and get our energy independence back.
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2021, 05:35:32 PM
I’d prefer to kick the fucking Democrats out in 2024 and get our energy independence back.Right now, all of my hope is aimed towards 2022. We need a serious HOUSE cleaning (and Senate cleaning).
Post by: Mr Pou on September 03, 2021, 04:44:09 AM
How is the grid going to expand when coal plants are shutting down all over the country, very long lead time for nuclear plants, natural gas is inappropriate for base generation, you can’t build new dams for hydro because “destroying habitats” and wind and solar won’t come close to doing the job.
And of course NIMBY. All the greenies want "clean" electric cars, nobody wants a new power plant in their backyard.
Post by: Rush on September 03, 2021, 05:19:15 AM
And of course NIMBY. All the greenies want "clean" electric cars, nobody wants a new power plant in their backyard.
This! They don’t even like wind farms nearby. They can’t handle the dirty, noisy and/or vast eyesore process of making the stuff that powers their cell phones, espresso machines and wifi modems. That’s to be hidden away out of sight and mind in the basement or the attic like all servants’ quarters.