PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: asechrest on March 18, 2017, 10:42:27 AM
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What's up with this? Trump refuses to shake Merkel's hand.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-angela-merkel-shake-hand-refuse-a7635911.html
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The article seems to say it's because he has made it clear in the past that he disapproves of what she is doing to Europe. The article also says their meeting went on to be a good one. He shook her hand at first meeting; he is not a poseur, but tends toward the pragmatic and genuine. Obviously he was not willing to signal "agreement" for the cameras when he does not agree with her.
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If he had reached over the press would have reported it as he was trying to grab her pussy.
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If he had reached over the press would have reported it as he was trying to grab her pussy.
No. That would have been steingar pretending outrage because... because... Just Because he would.
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What's up with this? Trump refuses to shake Merkel's hand.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-angela-merkel-shake-hand-refuse-a7635911.html
I saw the clip. Nothingburger fake news. A "journalist" tells Trump to shake her hand, and he should perform like a trained monkey? I'm sure he shook her hand when they met. Nuff said...
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The willingness of the left to accept anything - ANYTHING - the fake news says, without question and at full face value, is quie extraordinary.
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It's exceedingly common to shake hands for the camera with the leader of one of our closest ally countries, and doing so doesn't mean Trump "agrees" with her every position. This is not a dictator who Trump has to fear showing agreement with.
It's also not fake news. He was asked by the press and Merkel whether he wanted to shake. Not everything seemingly negative about Trump can be hand-waved away.
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I saw the clip. Nothingburger fake news. A "journalist" tells Trump to shake her hand, and he should perform like a trained monkey? I'm sure he shook her hand when they met. Nuff said...
BS. Watch the clip again. Merkel herself asks. Dick move to a close Ally nation.
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Dick move to a close Ally nation.
You mean like returning a bust of Winston Churchill that was on display in the White House since LBJ was President? That kind of dick move to a close ally nation?
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You mean like returning a bust of Winston Churchill that was on display in the White House since LBJ was President? That kind of dick move to a close ally nation?
Yes.
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It's exceedingly common to shake hands for the camera with the leader of one of our closest ally countries, and doing so doesn't mean Trump "agrees" with her every position. This is not a dictator who Trump has to fear showing agreement with.
It's also not fake news. He was asked by the press and Merkel whether he wanted to shake. Not everything seemingly negative about Trump can be hand-waved away.
He did shake her hand at the beginning. What he didn't do was bow to a journalists request for a photo-op handshake.
And as you said, Merkel didn't ask him to shake hands. She asked him if he wanted to do the handshake that the journalists requested. I saw nothing that indicated Merkel wished for the handshake.
Perhaps it was a "dick move", but when has Trump ever succumbed to that type of "correctness". He didn't do it on the campaign trail and he doesn't do it now.
On the other hand, Obama regularly dissed "our closest allly countries" and liberals were obnoxiously quiet about that.
I thought the highlight was when Trump joked that he and Merkel had "something in common". ;) Sometimes a little humor will go much further than a whole lot of insincere apologies.
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I don't think he heard her ask him if he wanted to shake, he did hear the reporter and I don't blame him for not doing it for them.
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It has to be crushing for liberals to realize the new president doesn't care to indulge their every wish.
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It's also not fake news. He was asked by the press and Merkel whether he wanted to shake. Not everything seemingly negative about Trump can be hand-waved away.
If he had been asked by the press to french kiss her, should he have done that?
The president is not a trained monkey who performs on cue for the press. They should get used to that quality in a leader. They really seem to have forgotten that he is not Obama.
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If he had been asked by the press to french kiss her, should he have done that?
The president is not a trained monkey who performs on cue for the press. They should get used to that quality in a leader. They really seem to have forgotten that he is not Obama.
Stupid comment. Is it customary for the US president to French kiss the leader of close ally nations? Didn't think so.
But, hey. If you want to stick up for a guy who snubs respected international leaders because he doesn't like a photographer noting that's it's time for a customary handshake, so be it.
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Stupid comment. Is it customary for the US president to French kiss the leader of close ally nations? Didn't think so.
But, hey. If you want to stick up for a guy who snubs respected international leaders because he doesn't like a photographer noting that's it's time for a customary handshake, so be it.
Aren't you the little precious snowflake, tonight....
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Aren't you the little precious snowflake, tonight....
A snowflake wouldn't last a second 'round here. Well, a left-of-center snowflake, at least.
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Stupid comment. Is it customary for the US president to French kiss the leader of close ally nations? Didn't think so.
But, hey. If you want to stick up for a guy who snubs respected international leaders because he doesn't like a photographer noting that's it's time for a customary handshake, so be it.
photographers don't dictate protocol
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I have no problem with what Trump did. Germany, like many other European countries has become a socialist hell hole. I don't care if they are an ally. Who gets the better deal from that relationship?
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photographers don't dictate protocol
But don't you know, it is more important that you look marvelous, than it is to be marvelous?
Trump could have looked good, rather than standing up (or in this case, sitting down) for his principles. Shaking hands before a meeting, which Trump did, is a sign of friendship and cordiality. Shaking hands after a meeting is a sign of agreement, which there wasn't.
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Shaking hands before a meeting, which Trump did, is a sign of friendship and cordiality. Shaking hands after a meeting is a sign of agreement, which there wasn't.
Germany, and the other European nations have embraced the entire Muslim refugee movement to the detriment of their native subjects (I can't call them citizens). They have also embraced socialism, Man Made Global Climate Change taxation, fees, and measures that drain their economies, again to their own detriment. I am dealing with some European (UK) commercial leases for my client in which more than half of their energy costs are taxes, and fees specifically to address Climate Change.
Trump's views, and proposed policies are polarly opposite to Merkel, and the others.
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Not everything seemingly negative about Trump can be hand-waved away.
Not everything seemingly negative about Trump is actually negative. The press has taught us that.
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Not everything seemingly negative about Trump is actually negative. The press has taught us that.
Actually most progressives don't even hesitate to condemn Donald Trump. If their masters dictate hatred then they hate.
If their masters dictate hypocrisy then they engage in full blown hypocrisy with a clear heart because they don't think for themselves. They just hate when told to hate, lie when told to lie, pretend when told to pretend and whine the rest of the time, as long as it is consistent with their orders.
Modern Liberalism is a truly twisted, pathetic, sad and unimaginably shallow endeavor.
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Rounding out the perspectives:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/with-merkels-visit-trump-wins-again.php
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Actually most progressives don't even hesitate to condemn Donald Trump. If their masters dictate hatred then they hate.
If their masters dictate hypocrisy then they engage in full blown hypocrisy with a clear heart because they don't think for themselves. They just hate when told to hate, lie when told to lie, pretend when told to pretend and whine the rest of the time, as long as it is consistent with their orders.
Modern Liberalism is a truly twisted, pathetic, sad and unimaginably shallow endeavor.
You're truly correct. I do have a master. I've been with her for 10 years now. ;D
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If you want to stick up for a guy who snubs respected international leaders because he doesn't like a photographer noting that's it's time for a customary handshake, so be it.
That's the stupid part. The snub was to the photographer, not to Merkel. The press is upset because they looked like idiots. Again.
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I hope more and more people are realizing the media is the enemy.
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That's the stupid part. The snub was to the photographer, not to Merkel. The press is upset because they looked like idiots. Again.
Disagree. Merkel asks if he wants to shake, and he simply ignores her.
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I hope more and more people are realizing the media is the enemy.
This is another reason the MSM is going bizzerk. They have lost control and the fourth estate has become immaterial in the information age.
Also stands to reason why the Hollywood elitist have lost it. They view themselves as so important and so correct, but yet people are ignoring them. It's more than they can take.
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Disagree. Merkel asks if he wants to shake, and he simply ignores her.
I'm ok with foreign leaders that display actions counter to our interests to know we disagree with them. I am glad we no longer have that limp wristed fool in the office.
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I'm ok with foreign leaders that display actions counter to our interests to know we disagree with them. I am glad we no longer have that limp wristed fool in the office.
So you are suggesting that a handshake for the camera with an ally means that we agree with everything they do? Mixed signals, then. Trump shook Abe's hand for 19 seconds, and I am awfully sure the two don't see eye to eye on trade, especially considering Merkel and Abe are working on a trade pact (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-20/germany-japan-push-trade-deal-as-merkel-seeks-anti-trump-allies).
I'm not sure why Trump didn't shake Merkel's hand for the camera, but if you're correct that it's because he doesn't agree with Merkel on many things, that sounds awfully petty.
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So you are suggesting that a handshake for the camera with an ally means that we agree with everything they do? Mixed signals, then. Trump shook Abe's hand for 19 seconds, and I am awfully sure the two don't see eye to eye on trade, especially considering Merkel and Abe are working on a trade pact (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-20/germany-japan-push-trade-deal-as-merkel-seeks-anti-trump-allies).
I'm not sure why Trump didn't shake Merkel's hand for the camera, but if you're correct that it's because he doesn't agree with Merkel on many things, that sounds awfully petty.
Take a step back and look at this again? You are making a big deal out of Trump not responding to a photo-op request from a reporter, for a hand shake. Big Fucking Deal! I thought you had higher priorities than that.
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Take a step back and look at this again? You are making a big deal out of Trump not responding to a photo-op request from a reporter and a world leader, for a hand shake. Big Fucking Deal! I thought you had higher priorities than that.
Fixed above. I haven't given my hierarchy of priorities, so you don't really know where this one stands. Doesn't seem much different than complaints that Obama bowed to people, though.
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So you are suggesting that a handshake for the camera with an ally means that we agree with everything they do? Mixed signals, then. Trump shook Abe's hand for 19 seconds, and I am awfully sure the two don't see eye to eye on trade, especially considering Merkel and Abe are working on a trade pact (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-20/germany-japan-push-trade-deal-as-merkel-seeks-anti-trump-allies).
I'm not sure why Trump didn't shake Merkel's hand for the camera, but if you're correct that it's because he doesn't agree with Merkel on many things, that sounds awfully petty.
Petty? Do you hear yourself? That's what this issue with which you're obsessing can be characterized.
Further, did you watch the entire meeting, wall to wall, to ensure beyond a reasonable doubt that they didn't shake hands at some point? Doubtful. I'm guessing you're taking the word of fake news as gospel.
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Fixed above. I haven't given my hierarchy of priorities, so you don't really know where this one stands. Doesn't seem much different than complaints that Obama bowed to people, though.
I saw no evidence that Merkel desired the handshake. The reporter asked for it, and Merkel asked Trump if he wanted to do it. It wasn't like she said "Let's do it". She may have been relieved
Trump didn't respond (possibly because he didn't hear or understand her).
As for your hierarchy of priorities, you are right. I have not idea what yours are, except that you are obviously placing this at a higher priorty than I believe it is worth.
I thought it was much worse when Obama snubbed Bibi.
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I saw no evidence that Merkel desired the handshake. The reporter asked for it, and Merkel asked Trump if he wanted to do it. It wasn't like she said "Let's do it". She may have been relieved
Trump didn't respond (possibly because he didn't hear or understand her).
As for your hierarchy of priorities, you are right. I have not idea what yours are, except that you are obviously placing this at a higher priorty than I believe it is worth.
I thought it was much worse when Obama snubbed Bibi.
Much worse for you and I and fair-minded people, but for the Jew-hating US and global leftists, it made Obama a fucking hero.
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This entire faux outrage is another example of progressive manipulation of anything and everything to pretend outrage against Donald Trump.
No matter what facts are in evidence our resident lapdog of the left unceasingly twists the discussion to attack and divert.
It is as hypocritical as it is sad and shallow, but it is how progressives roll.
Alinsky first. Truth... not really gonna be allowed to intrude.
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Couldn't care less about the handshake, tickled pink Merkel agreed to increase Germany's defense spending, that's the big story. Of course that makes Trump look good so instead the MSM talks about handshakes to keep the moonbats rattled and outraged because the MSM knows moonbats are too stupid to figure things out on their own.
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Couldn't care less about the handshake, tickled pink Merkel agreed to increase Germany's defense spending, that's the big story. Of course that makes Trump look good so instead the MSM talks about handshakes to keep the moonbats rattled and outraged because the MSM knows moonbats are too stupid to figure things out on their own.
but increasing defense spending is a BAD THING.
And it's sooooo more important to shake hands, love, peace....
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Fixed above. I haven't given my hierarchy of priorities, so you don't really know where this one stands. Doesn't seem much different than complaints that Obama bowed to people, though.
But we do know that you place the pretend "snub" of Germany very high on you list due to the amount of activity you devote to it. Based on what you have written in the past, I think your motivation is more "hate Trump" than "protect America". Now that is just my read, but perhaps it is informative to you on how you are coming across.
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Trump should have bowed to his Leftist "better".
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But we do know that you place the pretend "snub" of Germany very high on you list due to the amount of activity you devote to it. Based on what you have written in the past, I think your motivation is more "hate Trump" than "protect America". Now that is just my read, but perhaps it is informative to you on how you are coming across.
If I hated Trump, I would have voted for Clinton. I just think the handshake thing is interesting, and I wondered why it occurred. And it's not for us to decide whether this was a snub or not. The Germans believe it was. Maybe they're pretending, I dunno.
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And it's not for us to decide whether this was a snub or not. The Germans believe it was. Maybe they're pretending, I dunno.
The MEDIA is telling you it was a snub, to take your attention away from any positives that came out of the meeting, and you blindly believe them?
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If I hated Trump, I would have voted for Clinton. I just think the handshake thing is interesting, and I wondered why it occurred. And it's not for us to decide whether this was a snub or not. The Germans believe it was. Maybe they're pretending, I dunno.
You say "the Germans" believe,as if they all think alike. That is like saying "the Americans like Trump" or "the Americans like "Hillary".
Perhaps you have others sources, but the only reference I could find to the Germans reaction was from something called "legalinsurrection.com". That sounds unbiased, doesn't it?
And even they admit what I have said several times, and what you have ignored:
In all fairness to both the leaders, it is unclear if President Trump was able to hear Chancellor Merkel amid all that cracking and shouting in a room filled with reporters and camera.
Leading German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemiene Zeitung used the English phrase “awkward moment” to describe the photo-op incident in the Oval Office, the newspaper was however unsure if it was a “conscious gesture or misunderstanding?”
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The media will NEVER admit that Trump has done anything right.
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The media will NEVER admit that Trump has done anything right.
The only times the media will use Trump and right in the same sentence is when "alt-" is prepended to the word "right."
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The only times the media will use Trump and right in the same sentence is when "alt-" is prepended to the word "right."
It is very obvious the media is out to get Trump, and destroy his Presidency. I will say this again. The Media is the enemy of the American public.
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It is very obvious the media is out to get Trump, and destroy his Presidency. I will say this again. The Media is the enemy of the American public.
The media is the enemy of America, period.