PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Steingar on March 21, 2017, 01:41:06 PM
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I have been authorised by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign, and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts
That, and the the FBI had no information that the Obama administration wiretapped the Orange One.
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That, and the the FBI had no information that the Obama administration wiretapped the Orange One.
He also said that they were investigating Hillary. They then said they found nothing.
Investigations, not newspaper reports are what are supposed to deliver the facts.
I don't believe they will find that Obama did anything wrong any more than they found that Hillary did anything wrong.
Trump said Obama wiretapped his offices.
Hillary blamed "a vast right wing conspiracy" for her husbands troubles.
Neither claim is worthy of serious consideration.
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Trump needs to drain the swamp. Comey should go, along with the assistant AG, plus any other Obama holdovers. Sessions seriously screwed up when he recused himself from this investigation.
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I really can't believe Comey still has a job.
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That, and the the FBI had no information that the Obama administration wiretapped the Orange One.
So, on January 19th, 2017 the NYT ran a first page story, with a headline that stated "Wiretapped Data used in Inquiry of Trump's Aides". The sub title was "Investigating Russian Ties" and beneath that was "Business Dealings of Campaign Advisers are Investigated".
General Flynn made the phone call to the Russian Ambassador from an office in Trump Tower and that call was tapped. And this was reported by the NYT.
So who exactly was doing the wire tapping of Trump Tower?
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Comey should go.
No, Comey should not go. The FBI director is appointed for a 10 year term for exactly this reason. You do NOT want to have the chief federal LEO be an extension of ANY president's political will.
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No, Comey should not go. The FBI director is appointed for a 10 year term for exactly this reason. You do NOT want to have the chief federal LEO be an extension of ANY president's political will.
Agreed.
Also, the simple fact that he has pissed off both sides tells me he is indispensable, even if not perfect.
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Agreed.
Also, the simple fact that he has pissed off both sides tells me he is indispensable, even if not perfect.
Always a good maxim to follow! ;)
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I don't agree, he bends like a reed to political pressure, we need someone who values the law above loudmouths.
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ANYONE that believes Comey is an asset is either a rank partisan fool, or has no idea how ludicrous his 'investigation' into Hilary Clinton's handling of secret data was handled.
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The FBI Director should NOT be in the spotlight, politically as much as Comey has been. When have we had a Director have this much influence politically? Why has he put himself in this position?
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The FBI Director should NOT be in the spotlight, politically as much as Comey has been. When have we had a Director have this much influence politically? Why has he put himself in this position?
I think it more appropriate to ask "how has been put in this position?".
I can't even imagine the political pressure he has been put under by both sides. That, coupled with his wife pressuring him to "do the right thing" is a position that I don't believe any mortal man could successfully accomplish.
I guess he could just quit and run away and leave it to someone else. But WHO might that be, and would/could they do any better?
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I think it more appropriate to ask "how has been put in this position?".
I can't even imagine the political pressure he has been put under by both sides. That, coupled with his wife pressuring him to "do the right thing" is a position that I don't believe any mortal man could successfully accomplish.
I guess he could just quit and run away and leave it to someone else. But WHO might that be, and would/could they do any better?
I thought the FBI Director's job was to catch bad guys, and not dabble in politics?
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I thought the FBI Director's job was to catch bad guys, and not dabble in politics?
BHO politicized the FBI, the IRS, the EPA, the DOE,the DOD and the intelligence agencies. All of the damage that fucking idiot has done is now coming out and will take years to fix.
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I thought the FBI Director's job was to catch bad guys, and not dabble in politics?
There are no "bad guys" in politics? Personally, I think Comey has handled himself as well as could be expected.
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There are no "bad guys" in politics? Personally, I think Comey has handled himself as well as could be expected.
I understand what you are saying, but the level of involvement, and visibility at critical junctures seems too influential to me. I also could be totally wrong, and he could be playing it right down the middle, but the perception is that he grandstands too much.
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There are no "bad guys" in politics? Personally, I think Comey has handled himself as well as could be expected.
That is simply another case of pretending to understand how difficult it must be to DO YOUR JOB, which is really just protecting the liberal at any cost.
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I understand what you are saying, but the level of involvement, and visibility at critical junctures seems too influential to me. I also could be totally wrong, and he could be playing it right down the middle, but the perception is that he grandstands too much.
He's been in the unfortunate position of having two different bosses recuse themselves because of their behavior. Loretta Lynch took leave of her senses and met with Bill Clinton, causing her to have to recuse herself from involvement with the Hillary Clinton E-mail investigation. Sessions lied under oath to Congress, and as such has to recuse himself from the Russian investigation.
I'm with Gary. Dude's done about as well as can be expected. His job is catching bad guys, not politics. But the situation has concerned him into the political role. In the latter case he was questioned by Congress.
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Sessions lied under oath to Congress, and as such has to recuse himself from the Russian investigation.
The perfesser is back to reading and watching his fake news I see.
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I thought the FBI Director's job was to catch bad guys, and not dabble in politics?
And where are there more bad guys than in politics? What makes it hard is that the politicians hold the hammer when it comes to him doing his job.
I hate almost half the things Comey has done lately. I am pretty ignorant about his actions prior to the Hillary press conference, but I understand he is a competent and honest director.
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ANYONE that believes Comey is an asset is either a rank partisan fool, or has no idea how ludicrous his 'investigation' into Hilary Clinton's handling of secret data was handled.
If you think me a rank (liberal) partisan fool, then you have either not been paying attention, or you have a short attention span.
But you are right that I have no idea how "ludicrous", or thorough the investigation was. But it is my opinion that his decision was forced upon him by powers that are greater than either of us. I am sure that he was forced to make difficult choices, and not all of them were the right ones or the ones he wanted to make.
Anyone that believes politics is simple and transparent is the real fool.
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The perfesser is back to reading and watching his fake news I see.
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MSNBC ;D ;D ;D
The ultimate in fake news. They have no compunction against editing legitimate videos to make them say whatever they want. They have been caught a few times, but not one of their scores of listeners seems to care.
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Sessions lied under oath to Congress, and as such has to recuse himself from the Russian investigation.
The faculty lounge has spoken - without facts - as usual.
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If you think me a rank (liberal) partisan fool, then you have either not been paying attention, or you have a short attention span.
But you are right that I have no idea how "ludicrous", or thorough the investigation was. But it is my opinion that his decision was forced upon him by powers that are greater than either of us. I am sure that he was forced to make difficult choices, and not all of them were the right ones or the ones he wanted to make.
Anyone that believes politics is simple and transparent is the real fool.
The only reason anyone has no idea how ludicrous the Hilary Clinton fiasco was is because they choose to be.
Comey placed himself right between prosecution and Hilary because he has a history of working with the Clintons, as did Loretta Lynch BOTH of whom should have been forced to recuse themselves for ACTUAL conflicts of interest as opposed to made up ones.
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The faculty lounge has spoken - without facts - as usual.
So you think a video of him saying he had no contact with the Russians when in fact he did isn't a fact? I feel like a gadfly here just for positing them. Apparently the only "facts" that count with you are those in support of your Cheeto Jesus.
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So you think a video of him saying he had no contact with the Russians when in fact he did isn't a fact? I feel like a gadfly here just for positing them. Apparently the only "facts" that count with you are those in support of your Cheeto Jesus.
Watch the video and please pay attention to how the question is worded by Senator Coke Head, and then listen to how Senator Sessions answers the question.
Senator Sessions as a SENATOR on a committee had interactions with various ambassadors, just like other senators. Senator Sessions made it clear he did not have interactions on behalf of the Trump campaign.
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Watch the video and please pay attention to how the question is worded by Senator Coke Head, and then listen to how Senator Sessions answers the question.
Senator Sessions as a SENATOR on a committee had interactions with various ambassadors, just like other senators. Senator Sessions made it clear he did not have interactions on behalf of the Trump campaign.
Lol, no, no, no, that's not what the MSM is telling us. We really are doomed when even supposed intelligent people can't reason this out.
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So you think a video of him saying he had no contact with the Russians when in fact he did isn't a fact? I feel like a gadfly here just for positing them. Apparently the only "facts" that count with you are those in support of your Cheeto Jesus.
Is this how you triple digit IQ libs go about prosecuting Donald Trump?
With nothing but lies, stupidity and ignorance?
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Watch the video and please pay attention to how the question is worded by Senator Coke Head, and then listen to how Senator Sessions answers the question.
Senator Sessions as a SENATOR on a committee had interactions with various ambassadors, just like other senators. Senator Sessions made it clear he did not have interactions on behalf of the Trump campaign.
I listened to his answer, which was (and I think I'm quoting quite precisely) "I did not have communications with the Russians". He wasn't even asked that. He was asked what he would do if I he found out that such communications took place. A good answer might have been to initiate an investigation with the FBI. Instead he said that he hadn't had communications with the Russians, which he had. i.e. a flat out lie. That why he's not involved in the investigation.
He could just as easily said he had communications with the Russian ambassador as part of his duties. I doubt it would have caused much of a stir, I suspect Senators talk to ambassadors all the time. But why did he have to lie about it?
The whole thing is so farging weird. I've said before that I doubt there's anything to this. My guess is that Trump could just come clean and the whole thing would blow over just like that. Just like the big brouhaha about his tax returns. Someone leaked some, and its a non story. Instead he obfuscates, doubles down on insanely specious accusations., and generally draws attention back onto what he doesn't want folks to dwell on.
But I stand by my words. I always said a Trump Presidency would be entertaining.
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I listened to his answer, which was (and I think I'm quoting quite precisely) "I did not have communications with the Russians". He wasn't even asked that. He was asked what he would do if I he found out that such communications took place. A good answer might have been to initiate an investigation with the FBI. Instead he said that he hadn't had communications with the Russians, which he had. i.e. a flat out lie. That why he's not involved in the investigation.
He could just as easily said he had communications with the Russian ambassador as part of his duties. I doubt it would have caused much of a stir, I suspect Senators talk to ambassadors all the time. But why did he have to lie about it?
The whole thing is so farging weird. I've said before that I doubt there's anything to this. My guess is that Trump could just come clean and the whole thing would blow over just like that. Just like the big brouhaha about his tax returns. Someone leaked some, and its a non story. Instead he obfuscates, doubles down on insanely specious accusations., and generally draws attention back onto what he doesn't want folks to dwell on.
But I stand by my words. I always said a Trump Presidency would be entertaining.
It's entertaining watching you put the MSM/Liberal spin on this and take everything out of context. Apparently those inflicted with TDS cannot hold the attention span of a house fly nor can they use any comprehension skills. Also you have been taught by your masters to keep throwing the "lie" word at every opportunity.
The true entertainment is watching the TDS among the liberals.
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The true entertainment is watching the TDS among the liberals.
There is no entertainment value in seeing TDS. It's really sad.
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There is no entertainment value in seeing TDS. It's really sad.
TDS = The Daily Show???
I read an article recently about late night TV. It seems Steven Colbert is getting better ratings than Jimmy Fallon, or catching up in the ratings, (I forget), so Jimmy Fallon has vowed to get more political to boost his ratings (he can't stand being #2). Of course I knew what this meant, so I watched the other night, and sure enough the beginning monologue was mostly political, and all Trump bashing. This time it concerned Comey's testimony with Jimmy basically saying that Comey has already concluded the Russians influenced the election, and that is why Hillary lost. Pathetic. I won't watch again.
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TDS = The Daily Show???
I read an article recently about late night TV. It seems Steven Colbert is getting better ratings than Jimmy Fallon, or catching up in the ratings, (I forget), so Jimmy Fallon has vowed to get more political to boost his ratings (he can't stand being #2). Of course I knew what this meant, so I watched the other night, and sure enough the beginning monologue was mostly political, and all Trump bashing. This time it concerned Comey's testimony with Jimmy basically saying that Comey has already concluded the Russians influenced the election, and that is why Hillary lost. Pathetic. I won't watch again.
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS)
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There is no entertainment value in seeing TDS. It's really sad.
I see the entertainment. Watching Progressive Liberals going bizzerk because they can't understand how the election process works, or how they cannot accept their darling candidate ran the shittiest campaign in history.
Watching them stare into the TV with dilated pupils as their MSM tells them what to say, what to believe and what to think. The foaming at the mouth tops it off.
Yep, entertaining after 8 years of their garbage.
Just like their hero BHO proudly proclaimed "Elections have consequences!"
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Unfortunately, the Hollywood, and Mainstream media bubbles still have way too much influence over how, and what people think. I am sure many people believe that Hillary lost due to Russian intervention, and not that she was a terrible candidate, and Trump resonated with folks that are sick of the status quo.
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Yes, it is funny, until they start breaking shit and messing with people. It is starting to feel like carrying might be a good idea, never felt that way before.