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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on August 06, 2021, 04:14:23 AM
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More of an acquaintance than a friend, but we did talk fairly often. I was surprised to see this in the paper today since I had not talked to him for several weeks.
He didn't think he needed or trusted the vaccine either.
https://daytonanewsjournal-fl.newsmemory.com?selDate=20210806&goTo=A01&artid=2
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What comorbidities did he have?
My two chapter friends have both been discharged from the hospital at this point. Husband was sent home with oxygen. They'll continue their recovery at home.
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Ahhhh.... the liberal sob story.
When the tide turns away from whatever liberals think they want, the sob stories are supposed to turn the tide.
People die. It's a fact. If you live long enough, you will get old and die.
For some sick reason liberals never sob over drug abuse, insane government actions that force the poor and elderly to make choices negatively affecting health, as long as it panders to the liberal agenda. And those same liberals NEVER give the Holocaust of abortion a thought, but when their agenda is at risk, here come the torrent of crocodile tears used to sway public attention away from the intrusion against individual right and into line with the communist concept of the infallible state.
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More of an acquaintance than a friend, but we did talk fairly often. I was surprised to see this in the paper today since I had not talked to him for several weeks.
He didn't think he needed or trusted the vaccine either.
https://daytonanewsjournal-fl.newsmemory.com?selDate=20210806&goTo=A01&artid=2
I’m sorry to hear that. Paywall though, can’t see the article.
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I’m sorry to hear that.
Thanks.
Paywall though, can’t see the article.
Yeah, sorry about that. But last time I referred to an article in my on-line paper I didn't like because I knew it was pay walled, and I got called all sorts of bad names and was labeled a plagiarist for not linking.
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What comorbidities did he have?
My two chapter friends have both been discharged from the hospital at this point. Husband was sent home with oxygen. They'll continue their recovery at home.
As far as I know he was a perfectly healthy, 39 yr old police officer. (afaik).
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I have a friend who is now suffering from the vaccine side effects.. Perfectly healthy mid 40's, took the vaccine and now is having cardiovascular problems (no previous problems, no history or family history).
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I have a friend who is now suffering from the vaccine side effects.. Perfectly healthy mid 40's, took the vaccine and now is having cardiovascular problems (no previous problems, no history or family history).
Doesn't conform to the accepted liberal agenda, so nobody is supposed to care.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/mother-conservative-activist-speaks-gateway-pundit-dies-covid-vaccine-27/
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/mother-conservative-activist-speaks-gateway-pundit-dies-covid-vaccine-27/
Wow, check out the group he was involved in:
https://everyblm.com/
A loss to the country. :(
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Wow, check out the group he was involved in:
https://everyblm.com/
A loss to the country. :(
His story is not the only one. At any other time in history a vaccine that has killed or injured as many people as these vaccines would have been removed way, way before this much damage was done. Even the inventor of the mRNA Dr. Malone has insisted it stopped being used.
Big Pharma is posting record profits and sees even more huge profits ahead. They are making sure to purchase the right politicians and back the right people in MSM and Big Tech to push the vaccines even harder. We are at a point that these vaccines are so wonderful, and so good people must be threatened and coerced into taking them, even if it results in disability and death.
These vaccines are so wonderful that anyone who has any information that is the least bit negative gets cancelled, or banned. They are so wonderful our health agencies won't even consider treating the disease with low cost available drugs that have a 90%+ success rate.
"Just get the damn vaccine!" has now become the order of the enlightened virtue signalers. Then after that, what? Does anyone actually believe that will end it? Anyone with critical thought knows it only leads to more restrictions, and more mandates.
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More of an acquaintance than a friend, but we did talk fairly often. I was surprised to see this in the paper today since I had not talked to him for several weeks.
He didn't think he needed or trusted the vaccine either.
https://daytonanewsjournal-fl.newsmemory.com?selDate=20210806&goTo=A01&artid=2
My condolences to you and to his family. Any death decreases us all.
I'm afraid this story will be repeated over and over because the government has blown the vaccine rollout. After all the work to get it developed, too many believe they are at bigger risk from the vaccine than from the virus.
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His story is not the only one. At any other time in history a vaccine that has killed or injured as many people as these vaccines would have been removed way, way before this much damage was done. Even the inventor of the mRNA Dr. Malone has insisted it stopped being used.
Big Pharma is posting record profits and sees even more huge profits ahead. They are making sure to purchase the right politicians and back the right people in MSM and Big Tech to push the vaccines even harder. We are at a point that these vaccines are so wonderful, and so good people must be threatened and coerced into taking them, even if it results in disability and death.
These vaccines are so wonderful that anyone who has any information that is the least bit negative gets cancelled, or banned. They are so wonderful our health agencies won't even consider treating the disease with low cost available drugs that have a 90%+ success rate.
"Just get the damn vaccine!" has now become the order of the enlightened virtue signalers. Then after that, what? Does anyone actually believe that will end it? Anyone with critical thought knows it only leads to more restrictions, and more mandates.
“Deployment of current Covid-19 vaccines in mass vaccination campaigns combined with the ongoing widespread circulation of Sars-CoV-2 can only increase immune selective pressure on Sars-CoV-2 spike protein and hence, further drive its adaptive evolution to circumvent vaccine-induced humoral immunity. In this regard, the expectation of an increasing number of vaccinologists matches the current observation made by genomic epidemiologists in that S protein-directed immune escape variants are highly likely to further spread and expedite the occurrence of viral resistance to the currently deployed and future (so-called ‘2nd generation’) Covid-19 vaccines.”
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/why-the-ongoing-mass-vaccination-experiment-drives-a-rapid-evolutionary-response-of-sars-cov-2
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/not-covid-19-vaccine-mediated-but-naturally-acquired-immunity-enables-herd-immunity
In other words, stop the mass vaccinations NOW.
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"Just get the damn vaccine!" has now become the order of the enlightened virtue signalers. Then after that, what? Does anyone actually believe that will end it? Anyone with critical thought knows it only leads to more restrictions, and more mandates.
And more viral evolution into more virulent strains. I still think for some individuals, like me, an old female, the vaccine is a lower risk than the disease, but for others, like young males (who get that heart thing), the vaccine is a higher risk than the disease. But even if it's a better deal for me, as an individual, to get the vaccine, it is still bad for society overall, because of how it is encouraging the virus to mutate. If we'd had no vaccines ever, never locked down, and let the disease burn through the population, we'd have reached a stable state by now where almost everyone would either be naturally immune, or dead, and in the meantime we would not have lost hundreds of thousands (millions worldwide) from the consequences of lockdowns.
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My condolences to you and to his family. Any death decreases us all.
I'm afraid this story will be repeated over and over because the government has blown the vaccine rollout. After all the work to get it developed, too many believe they are at bigger risk from the vaccine than from the virus.
There are treatments for the virus, which “doctors” are ignoring. Instead, “doctors” are sending people home to wait in fear until their breathing becomes difficult, they enter the hospital, and God only knows what their outcome might be, because treatment of the actual disease often doesn’t happen there, either.
Dr. Peter McCullough testifies to this strange, damnable and unethical behavior by the medical community.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAHi3lX3oGM
As well, Dr. McCullough and his associates have developed a home treatment plan. It’s well worth considering, even and perhaps especially for the vaccinated, who are now petri dishes for new strains. I procured ivermectin, we have been taking Vitamins D and C and zinc. Ivermectin can be taken prophylactically but my plan is to use it if one of our family contracts Covid.
Sadly, several robust elderly relatives have gotten the jab. It’s stunning to see the increase in their senescence just in the few months since. I’ve had a couple of hospital visits and nurses told me there are many weird cases of vaccinated people with mysterious maladies that cannot be diagnosed with tests. Odd, creeping malaise.
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https://odysee.com/@TruthPills:5/Corona-McCullough:b?src=embed
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but...but...but liberals always KNOW what's best for everyone.
We are not supposed to let a little thing like the real facts get in the way of a government expanding program.
Since when are people allowed to decide what's best for them, anyhow?
Government owns everyone. Just ask liberal assholes.
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How long will we have to wait for the lefty apologists here to comment on this?
I'm voting never. Because libs don't really like facing their hypocrisy. It's so much easier to repeat pathetic sob stories and pretend to feel compassion, but only for state approved news.
https://www.lifenews.com/2021/08/05/university-admits-harvesting-kidneys-from-unborn-babies-while-their-hearts-are-still-beating/
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There are treatments for the virus...
Perhaps. But I think it's crass to have a pissing match in a thread about someone friend's dying.
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Perhaps. But I think it's crass to have a pissing match in a thread about someone friend's dying.
Moved to new thread.
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“Deployment of current Covid-19 vaccines in mass vaccination campaigns combined with the ongoing widespread circulation of Sars-CoV-2 can only increase immune selective pressure on Sars-CoV-2 spike protein and hence, further drive its adaptive evolution to circumvent vaccine-induced humoral immunity. In this regard, the expectation of an increasing number of vaccinologists matches the current observation made by genomic epidemiologists in that S protein-directed immune escape variants are highly likely to further spread and expedite the occurrence of viral resistance to the currently deployed and future (so-called ‘2nd generation’) Covid-19 vaccines.”
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/why-the-ongoing-mass-vaccination-experiment-drives-a-rapid-evolutionary-response-of-sars-cov-2
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/not-covid-19-vaccine-mediated-but-naturally-acquired-immunity-enables-herd-immunity
In other words, stop the mass vaccinations NOW.
Mutation rate increases in direct proportion with the replication rate. Replication rate increases in direct proportion to the number of infected individuals. Therefore allowing the virus to spread increases the number of mutant strains. Decreasing the number of infect-able individuals decreases the number of mutations that can occur.
The text you quoted is using special pleading - it argues “adaptive evolution to circumvent vaccine-induced humoral immunity” while making no equivalent statement for the non-vaccination case. E.g. “adaptive evolution to circumvent virus-induced humoral immunity.”
Since the virus has no, or reduced, chance to replicate in a vaccinated person then that person is not a vehicle for further virus mutations. So besides protecting the person they are also helping put a cap on mutations.
Smallpox and polio were eradicated using vaccines, proving that widespread vaccination works faster than some viruses can mutate to viable immune resistant strains.
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Mutation rate increases in direct proportion with the replication rate. Replication rate increases in direct proportion to the number of infected individuals. Therefore allowing the virus to spread increases the number of mutant strains. Decreasing the number of infect-able individuals decreases the number of mutations that can occur.
The text you quoted is using special pleading - it argues “adaptive evolution to circumvent vaccine-induced humoral immunity” while making no equivalent statement for the non-vaccination case. E.g. “adaptive evolution to circumvent virus-induced humoral immunity.”
Since the virus has no, or reduced, chance to replicate in a vaccinated person then that person is not a vehicle for further virus mutations. So besides protecting the person they are also helping put a cap on mutations.
Smallpox and polio were eradicated using vaccines, proving that widespread vaccination works faster than some viruses can mutate to viable immune resistant strains.
Jim, that’s just not a true statement, to my understanding, unless you are applying it to actual attenuated virus vaccines, which the mRNA vaccine is not.
Here’s the discussion where I found the links. Some don’t transfer with cut/paste but they’re in my posts above. I’ll try and attach the chart for Israel, which didn’t cut/paste either.
“Leaky Vaccines
The vaccines we've taken in the past are made from what are called attenuated viruses. These are viruses that have been grown in egg yolks (usually) over a period of time. Once harvested, they are "killed" or "weakened" so they can't be infective and are put into vaccines. It takes a long time to grow these viruses in amounts large enough to vaccinate large swaths of the population, which is why everyone thought it was vastly too optimistic to hope for a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine within under a year as Trump promised. There just wasn't enough time to grow the mass of viruses needed to make a vaccine the standard way they've always been made.
But the mRNA vaccines are different. In this method, viruses don't have to be grown. They have to have their genome determined so a template can be made. And it the case of SARS-CoV-2, a template of only the spike protein. Those making the vaccine determined that the spike protein was a harmless component of the virus. (Which it appears perhaps didn't turn out to be the case, but that's a different subject.) An injection of the mRNA of the spike protein would cause the host's cellular machinery to create the spike protein and release it. The immune cells would recognize it as foreign and attack it. And through T-cell memory would remember it, so when the vaccinated person was exposed to the complete intact infectious virus, these memory cells would remember that spike and generate the antibodies to wipe out any cell wearing it.
One of the issues Robert Malone and others, especially Geert Vanden Bossche (another expert on the subject), have been worried about is the inability of mRNA vaccines to establish herd immunity.
Viruses are tiny agents of infection. But the entire virus is huge compared to just the spike protein component. An entire virus has multiple sites, called epitopes, to which immune cells attach in an effort to destroy the virus. When an attenuated virus is used as a vaccine, the entire panoply of epitopes is presented to the immune cells, which become sensitized to them and remember them. When a vaccinated person then encounters a live, infectious virus, the immune cells attack it six ways from Sunday attaching to every epitope present.
If, over time, the virus mutates a bit, the vaccinated person is still protected because the virus won't mutate into a completely different virus. If one epitope mutates in a way that evades the immune system, there will still be many other epitopes that will not have mutated. The vaccinated individual will still mount an immune response to the many other epitopes on the mutated virus and kill it.
Imagine if a vaccine were made that somehow generated an immune response to one epitope only. What do you think would happen if the component of the virus containing that one epitope mutated? Obviously the vaccine-provided protection would wane. This is precisely the situation we're in with the mRNA spike protein vaccine.
Since the spike protein epitope is the only one the current vaccines generate immunity against, it provides a fertile field for mutation of that epitope. The variants with a mutated epitope are selected for. Since the immune systems of these vaccinated individuals won't be able to attack the mutated epitope, they will begin to lose their immunity. Which is exactly what we've seen in Israel, probably the most vaccinated country in the world. I posted this chart of confirmed cases in Israel a couple of weeks ago, but it's worth posting again.
Confirmed Covid cases in Israel
As you can see, the protection from the vaccine is waning.
Vaccine experts such as Vanden Bossche and Malone worry that the widespread vaccination that has taken place will both decrease the efficacy of the vaccines (which has already happening) and select for more infectious and virulent forms. And worst of all, not help to develop herd immunity.
Here's what Vanen Bossche wrote about herd immunity:
It is, indeed, quite unbelievable that some advising experts pretend that although we won’t achieve herd immunity, we will still be able to exchange the pandemic for an endemic situation. When does that happen? The answer is: never. Neither disappointing vaccine coverage rates nor diminished virus neutralization rates should be blamed for failure of these vaccines to enable herd immunity. From their very first conceptualization, it should have been very clear that these ‘S-based’ Covid-19 vaccines are completely inadequate for generating herd immunity in a population, regardless of the magnitude of Ab titers induced or the rate of vaccine coverage. Why is this? Let’s first have a closer look at the definition of ‘herd immunity’. Herd immunity occurs when most of a population is immune to an infectious disease and thereby provides indirect protection to those who are not immune to the disease. Mechanistically, indirect protection is due to absence or strong reduction of infectious transmission by those who have been immunized (i.e., the majority of the population). So who concluded all of a sudden that herd immunity would only depend on antigen (Ag)-specific (in this case, ‘spike-specific’) humoral (Ab) responses and nonantigen-specific innate immunity (i.e., operated through several different immune stimulatory and modulatory cytokines and chemokines secreted by immunocompetent cells, including noncytotoxic Ag-specific T cells)? If this were the case, a natural pandemic could never irreversibly evolve into an endemic infectious situation. Here is why S-specific Abs and nonAg-specific innate immunity could never force the Sars-CoV-2 pandemic into endemicity, let alone eradicate Sars-CoV-2. [Bold type in the original]
I encourage you to read the article from which I took this excerpt and read this article as well. It gives the reason the mass vaccination experiment drives the rapid evolutionary response of SARS-CoV-2. It's not easy reading, but well worth the time if you're interested.
And while you're at it, give this one a read as well. He predicts we've got a long way to go before the pandemic is over. Right from the outset, Vanden Bossche has said the mRNA vaccines should be used only for those at serious risk, not the whole of the population. And certainly not children, who barely notice when they get Covid--at least from the original virus. The more natural immunity built up from exposure, the faster to herd immunity. We're now experiencing the fruits of the mad dash to immunized everyone.
But the mad dash will continue because there is so much money involved. If the vaccine is approved for every child age 0-12, then that opens up ~65 million people who could get it. And the price of the vaccine just went up, so multiply $25 times 65M times 2 doses per person to see what that new market would be. Mind boggling.
If Vanden Bossche is correct, we will have to be continuously vaccinating people from here till Kingdom Come because new variants will be driven by the leaky mRNA vaccines. Which will be the only vaccines capable of being made on short notice, so the mutations will rapidly take place. Who knows when one will pop out that is extremely deadly. To all groups, not just those who are elderly and have multiple co-morbidities.
There is a new vaccine coming to market. It is made by Novavax and is based on more traditional processes that have been proven by the test of time. You can read about it here and here.
The Novavax vaccine will inject the actual spike proteins instead of simply a template for the cells to produce a portion of the spike protein. I, like everyone else, write "spike protein" when writing about the current mRNA vaccines when what we all mean is a fraction of the spike protein. Above I wrote about the spike protein epitope as if it were a single thing. There are doubtless many epitopes on the real spike protein, not just one. Vaccinating with the total spike protein doubtless doesn't provide the same degree of immunity as a total attenuated viral vaccine (the quickest one of these has been produced was the mumps vaccine which took four years), but provides much more than the current vaccines and without the long wait.
The Novavax is the one I'm waiting for. It keeps looking like it's just around the corner. I don't know if money interests are behind the delay or if there is no pressing need for an EUA since the others are out or if the FDA is dragging its heels for whatever reason. I seem to remember reading somewhere (and now can't remember where) that the Novavax team was skipping the EUA process and going straight for full FDA approval process. I hope it's true. And, whatever the cause, I wish they would approve it.”
Dr. Michael Eades
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