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Spin Zone / Re: Our next "Business Venture", the Ukraine
« on: December 22, 2022, 07:29:48 AM »I'm not exactly sure what all of your objections are. Is it the amount of money we are spending? I consider that as a small, selfish investment for ourselves. If Russia fails here that will strengthen our hand against Iran and China.
Is it Ukraine's involvement with Hunter Biden?
Or perhaps it is just the fact that Biden and the Dems are for it so you have to be against it?
Is it the incorrect use of the word "Democracy"? Perhaps what they are striving for isn't actually Democracy. Democracy isn't right for everyone. In fact, it isn't right for us either. But if they survive this in any form, they are bound to be a friend of the US and indebted to us, and we need all the friends we can get.
So convince me what you see as a problem with our support here. My only worry is that we have gone this far already. If we pull back now, we will look even worse than we did withdrawing from Afghanistan. And my biggest objection to Biden (in this regard only) so far is that he has given them too little, too late. If he had shown some backbone in January this whole fustercluck may not have ever happened in the first place. Biden has done NOTHING else that I could defend to any degree.
First objection: FTX. We found out that much of our taxpayer money going to Ukraine came back to the Democrat party.
Second: We don't necessarily want Russia to fall too much as a country. Too many nukes to end up in a fractured, failed nation. Russia needs to remain a superpower.
Third: While I was fine helping Ukraine defend Kiev, they need to give up Donbas. Time to negotiate a settlement, Russia will take it. Russia knows Kiev ain't gonna happen and they need an off ramp to save face. But Zelensky won't do it as long as we keep sending him money.
Fourth: Ukrainians dying to defend Kiev and the nation is one thing, continuing to die defending Donbas for months and years is quite another. Half of Donbas population wants to be in Russia anyway. Negotiate to keep Odessa, and end the war. If Zelensky cared about his people that's what he would do.