PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 30, 2021, 08:51:44 AM
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"new strains of COVID-19 could cause a deadly spike in cases across the US this spring, researchers from the University of Washington warn"
"up to 654,000 Americans could die of [edit: some] strain of coronavirus by May 1"
"Americans could bring that number down by 30,000 through continued social distancing and masking over the next several months - even if they've received vaccindations"
"Fauci: Mutations show need for speed for vax"
run around.... run around... we are all going to die!!!!!!!!!
edit: sorry about the typo
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Yep. When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!
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"up to 654,000 Americans could die of strain of coronavirus by May 1"
Absolutely. Especially since heart attacks, natural deaths from old age, etc., are all being counted as covid deaths if the body happens to test positive for a molecule of covid.
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Absolutely. Especially since heart attacks, natural deaths from old age, etc., are all being counted as covid deaths if the body happens to test positive for a molecule of covid.
oops - typo in my post.
But I understand your point.
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When government can use an emergency to take away your rights and freedom, government will start creating emergencies to take away your rights and freedom.
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oops - typo in my post.
But I understand your point.
Oh I didn’t even see the typo, I read it as you intended it.
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When government can use an emergency to take away your rights and freedom, government will start creating emergencies to take away your rights and freedom.
That's why we need to start holding politicians and bureaucrats accountable. Legally of course.
Once they fear the accountability things will calm down.
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That's why we need to start holding politicians and bureaucrats accountable. Legally of course.
Once they fear the accountability things will calm down.
When the government fears the people, you have liberty.
When the people fear the government, you have tyranny.
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That's why we need to start holding politicians and bureaucrats accountable. Legally of course.
Once they fear the accountability things will calm down.
How? Elections? They’re rigged. Lawsuits? Corrupt or cowardly courts. What else? How about shaming on social media? Censorship.
What else?
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How? Elections? They’re rigged. Lawsuits? Corrupt or cowardly courts. What else? How about shaming on social media? Censorship.
What else?
I hear you.
We need to put the fear back in the politicians. It's obvious they have lost that fear since now they don't fear the voters, and they know the courts are on their side.
For the free states, we still have the ballot. Plus we do have laws to recall those who refuse to represent the people. Judges can still be removed at the state level (again, free states).
We have to keep in mind the DCP is really not that big. Just look at the map, and while they control shitholes like LA, SF, NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, etc, much of the country and states are indeed red and free.
Secession talk is ramping up. Texas has a bill before the legislature, Eastern Oregon wants to join Idaho, Californa has a very active contingent that wants to ditch LA and SF.
For all of his talk of "unity", Xiden is doing the exact opposite. His handlers are just pissing more and more people off.
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Well prior to the election, the Dems were all ready to secede if Trump won. So it only makes sense that they'll forbid the other side from doing so. Double standard, just like everything with them.
https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2020/10/could-states-really-secede-from-the-union.html
Could States Really Secede from the Union?
We are told that the Civil War settled the matter.
When 11 southern states decided to secede from the union, the result was a horrendous war in which some 620,000 soldiers died. That grim outcome supposedly provided the answer on whether the U.S. would tolerate states that seek to break away from the union.
So why, then, are more and more people talking about secession? (At least, it appears that the talk is escalating.)
In August, a bipartisan group of more than 100 “current and former senior government and campaign leaders and other experts" produced a report that examined various post-election scenarios. In one of them, the entire West Coast secedes from the union.
Then, in September, Hofstra University conducted a poll which found that nearly 40% of the respondents support or somewhat support the idea that their state should formally request secession if their chosen presidential candidate does not win.
Add to that the fact that several recently published books on secession have been attracting a lot of attention for daring to look at what a fractured United States of America might look like.
Is this all just idle theorizing? Or might there be some kind of secession in America's future? And is there even a legal mechanism for states to secede?
America's Two Warring Camps
Although everyone agrees that secession would be extremely difficult, everyone also agrees that the split that divides Americans into two camps – currently, one blue and the other red – is the widest it's been in many decades.
It's gotten to the point where each side hates the idea of sharing a nation with the other.
That's why people on both sides are at least thinking about secession scenarios, and some of the chatter around the topic is more serious than you might think.
On October 9, the New York Times podcast, “The Argument," discussed the topic, “What happens if Trump won't leave?," and when the discussion turned to the various post-election scenarios that could keep Trump in office despite losing the popular vote again, this is what Times columnist Michelle Goldberg had to say: “I think … you would see a more serious movement than you've ever seen for secession in some of the blue states. And frankly, I think I would be part of it. I don't think it would happen overnight. But I think it would start the processes that turn the break-up of the United States from something completely far-fetched to something that would gradually start to seem more plausible and perhaps eventually even inevitable."
In his book, “Break It Up: Secession, Division, and the Secret History of America's Imperfect Union," journalist Richard Kreitner makes a similar claim. He points out that secessionist impulses have existed in the U.S. since its founding and that they've basically just expanded now to a point where they at least begin to seem plausible.
Kreitner's book is a fascinating historical review of the nation's secessionist movements, but he also makes the point that if the United States were to divide itself into two or more nations, maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea.
“If the massive hodgepodge of a country known as the United States no longer functions as a going concern," he writes, “maybe it's time to break it up."
Part of what is making the current secession talk unusual is that much of it is coming from people like Goldberg and Kreitner on the left side of the political spectrum. A group called Yes California got the ball rolling for liberals after President Donald Trump was elected in 2016, voicing its desire to leave the union. Then, as the 2020 general election drew closer, we began to hear that secession now has a role in post-election war-gaming.
This marks a shift in the secessionist conversation. At least in recent decades, most of the serious secessionist talk has come from more rural, southern, conservative areas. Texas has probably led the way, with numerous secessionist movements arising over the years. A current venture called Texit claims nearly 400,000 supporters. In addition, various neo-Confederate groups, like the League of the South, have continued to push for secession.
Looking to the Future
So, what are we to make of all this?
David French, a conservative attorney and well-known commentator, is the author of one of the new secession books, “Divided We Fall: America's Secessionist Threat and How to Restore Our Nation," and he reaches a conclusion not much different from Kreitner's: Maybe breaking up is not a bad idea.
While Kreitner doesn't go into specifics on how this is to be done, French is more substantive. He suggests that the nation stay intact but break itself into regional confederations with the ability to maintain their own identities.
Reviewing French's book, Governing.com editor-at-large Clay Jenkinson wrote that the author's main point is that in a nation as big as ours, it's a mistake to attempt to try to forge a single national identity. “French believes we need to relax a little and shrug off the differences that seem to be driving us apart," he wrote. “It's not necessary to have a one-size-fits-all national identity. But don't mess with the Bill of Rights."
At least it sounds sensible.
Do States Have the Right to Secede?
But what if we really do want to divide ourselves into actual separate nations? Could we do it?
The late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia once wrote, “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede."
Actually, there is.
What Scalia probably meant to say was that there is no unilateral right to secede. One state can't just say, “The heck with you, U.S.A. We're out of here."
What a state (or states) can do, however, is begin the process of seeking a mutually agreed upon parting of the ways, and that process clearly exists, set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in its 1868 ruling in Texas v. White. That ruling concluded that a state (or states) could secede by gaining approval of both houses of Congress and then obtaining ratification by three fourths of the nation's legislatures. In other words, it's a tough task.
Texas v. White did, however, suggest another way a state might secede: “through revolution." That might be obvious, but it's a point that French, the author, focuses on when he talks about how a California exit could come about, as he did in the New York Times “The Argument" podcast on Oct. 30. It could happen, he suggests, if civil unrest becomes extreme, and the state and the nation simply agree to part ways to minimize the damage.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Remember Brexit?
We were told that it couldn't happen, and if attempted dire things would happen.
It didn't.
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Well prior to the election, the Dems were all ready to secede if Trump won. So it only makes sense that they'll forbid the other side from doing so. Double standard, just like everything with them.
What am I missing here? Since when do states ask permission? Don't they just leave and it's up to what's left of the union to try and make them come back?
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Everything I’ve been seeing says no state can leave the union. But when the SCOTUS brushed aside Texas and 19 other states in that election fraud lawsuit, it became clear that the institutions designed to give the citizens remedies for injustice are failing.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/bill-filed-moving-toward-texas-independence/269-80998141-9a87-4d36-bafb-b130879f1711
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The slave (communist) states are incapable of survival without those of us who actually produce something of value.
I don't mean people who talk and go to meetings, or type things for a living. What I'm talking about is producers as opposed to consumers.
The left and their commie states have become so immune to the reality that they produce nearly nothing, and believe they are entitled to take whatever they want and need from producers, that they have no idea what would happen if we seceded and cut them off from our production of essential things like energy and food.
The collapse of the US treasury under the weight of the government debt is a real and likely threat. If you doubt that, where IS the USSR these days?
Once reality set in those communist (they call themselves democrats) states would devolve straight into eating each other. Their will be food riots, housing riots, heat riots, and violence will replace the thuggery of liberal government overnight.
Rape and sex slavery would be the order of the day because liberals really have no moral code, or compass. The worship of abortion is just one example of a total lack of respect for life, personal property, and civil rights. Liberals HATE civil rights with more passion than they hate personal responsibility.
Free states would continue to operate as they do now, without the boot of the communist democrats on our throats, u til the slave states tried to force their political and social cannibalism on the rest of us, trying to steal what we produce.the resultant war will be short and terrible.
At some point the communist democrats will run out of fake outrage, fake moral superiority and fake intellectual righteousness and shut the fuck up and start trying to find ways to feed themselves instead of stealing from the rest of us.
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Everything I’ve been seeing says no state can leave the union.
OK, but we also have laws that prohibit murder, burglary, and slander and that still happens. See where I'm going here?
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In reality there’s nothing in the constitution that says a state cannot secede. There was a SC opinion in the 1800’s that had some cockamamie logic that said states were forbidden from secession, but good luck on making that hold water.
Lincoln went to war to keep states from splitting off, and on many grounds it was an unjust war. Today is much different than the 1860’s. The free states hold much of the wealth and resources. The blue state shitholes are laden in debt and decline.
Keep in mind that much of California outside of LA and SF is conservative. Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon is also conservative. New York State outside of NYC and Albany is conservative. Michigan outside of Detroit and Lansing is conservative. Point is, even in the blue states there are a large conservative base.
People are going to have to get fed up to the point of forcibly (legally) removing these despots from office. Career politicians have sunk this country.
A good start would be a constitution convention of the states.
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Without looking it up, I was under the impression that after the civil war, those states that seceded and then rejoined the union all signed documents stating they would never be allowed to secede again. I guess that means that Northern states or other states that never seceded are not under that mandate.
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NC at least has it written into the State Constitution that they will not succeed. However, changing the Constitution isn’t that difficult, so if it becomes overwhelming bad, it can be done.
I actually view it as it as “them” that are leaving the US. We aren’t the ones who changed. They are the ones seceding..
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Without looking it up, I was under the impression that after the civil war, those states that seceded and then rejoined the union all signed documents stating they would never be allowed to secede again. I guess that means that Northern states or other states that never seceded are not under that mandate.
I can’t find anything about that. There was the Ironclad Oath but that applied to individuals.
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In reality there’s nothing in the constitution that says a state cannot secede.
And therefore reserved as a power of the States under the 10th Amendment.
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NC at least has it written into the State Constitution that they will not succeed. However, changing the Constitution isn’t that difficult, so if it becomes overwhelming bad, it can be done.
I actually view it as it as “them” that are leaving the US. We aren’t the ones who changed. They are the ones seceding.
Fixed it for you.
Yep. I love how they claim the Capitol siege was a “coup attempt” when what the Trump supporters wanted was simply for the vote certification to be delayed until an investigation into allegations of fraud was carried out. Hardly a coup attempt. Less even than what the Dems did for four years - claim Trump’s election was fraudulent and spent millions of taxpayer dollars trying to remove him from office.
How do these people live with the hypocrisy.
The true coup is them, abandoning any idea of rule by the people, the foundation of our country. It is them that left us, not the other way around.
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Auto correct has ruined everyone’s apparent grammar.
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While the new strains might change infection and mortality rates I doubt strongly that they'll alter immunogenicity. COVID has a secret weapon, a coat protein that can latch onto a relatively ubiquitous human protein called ACE2. That coat protein is the target of all of the vaccines being tested right now. In order for the virus to escape immune surveillance it would have to alter this coat protein to the point where the immune system didn't recognize it anymore. But if it does that odds are the coat protein will no longer bind ACE2 with high avidity, thus the virus looses its secret weapon.
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But if it does that odds are the coat protein will no longer bind ACE2 with high avidity, thus the virus looses its secret weapon.
Do you really mean it "looses" its secret weapon? That sounds bad. It means it sets the secret weapon loose to attack us.
Or do you mean it "loses" it's secret weapon, which would be a good thing. It means it doesn't have a secret weapon any more.
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I read loses. I didn’t even see the misspelling.
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its a common typo. ;-)
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its a common typo. ;-)
One that Steingar makes 99 out of 99 times. He has been corrected so often I now believe he does it on purpose.
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One that Steingar makes 99 out of 99 times. He has been corrected so often I now believe he does it on purpose.
probably.
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“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation….” – Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson
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“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation….” – Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson
Well, obviously that Jefferson guy was a domestic terrorist!
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Well, obviously that Jefferson guy was a domestic terrorist!
In the eyes of the King
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In the eyes of the King
And now they are changing the names of schools to get rid of Jefferson, Washington, Madison, etc. What does that tell you about the left? They think they’re royalty. They believe the founding fathers were terrorists. They have literally taken over the U.S.A. away from what was founded in 1776 and transformed it into what we left in 1776, a country with a ruling class and a bunch of serfs.
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With the new variant of COVID now, will lock downs be reinstated?
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And now they are changing the names of schools to get rid of Jefferson, Washington, Madison, etc. What does that tell you about the left? They think they’re royalty. They believe the founding fathers were terrorists. They have literally taken over the U.S.A. away from what was founded in 1776 and transformed it into what we left in 1776, a country with a ruling class and a bunch of serfs.
Again, they are following the communist playbook.
After the revolution in Russia that started in 1917, the communist renamed towns and cities, took down statues and erased history to agree with their revisionist version. Same thing in China, same thing in Viet Nam, etc.
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With the new variant of COVID now, will lock downs be reinstated?
Covid was a gift to the left, and has accomplished in weeks what their other cockamamie schemes couldn't accomplish in decades.
No way will they ever release the covid boogeyman from their playbook. We will be told of unending strains that will kill anyone just looking at it, no proof needed, just follow the leftist version of "science".
Fortunately the free states are pushing back. The Xiden EO on masking is ridiculous and on many levels not even constitutional. The quack MD Pope Tony has been proven over and over to be a fraud and nothing more than a political hack who enjoys the limelight and adoration of the MSM.
Medical Tyranny is the new tool of the DCP.
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Everything I’ve been seeing says no state can leave the union. But when the SCOTUS brushed aside Texas and 19 other states in that election fraud lawsuit, it became clear that the institutions designed to give the citizens remedies for injustice are failing.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/bill-filed-moving-toward-texas-independence/269-80998141-9a87-4d36-bafb-b130879f1711
Yeah well. All we need to do is go back prior to Nov 3 of last year and look at how the Democrats talked about seceding if Trump won. Both sides hate each other. We need to divorce.
No, what we really need to do is just kick a dozen or so counties out of the U.S. It's the big cities that have killed this country. Big cities are the source of leftism and corruption.
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Yeah well. All we need to do is go back prior to Nov 3 of last year and look at how the Democrats talked about seceding if Trump won. Both sides hate each other. We need to divorce.
No, what we really need to do is just kick a dozen or so counties out of the U.S. It's the big cities that have killed this country. Big cities are the source of leftism and corruption.
It is now the Cities AND the Suburbs and former Ex-Burbs that are now suburbs and ALL DEMOCRAT. So all the massive population centers are now Democrat, Far Left Marxist.
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Yeah well. All we need to do is go back prior to Nov 3 of last year and look at how the Democrats talked about seceding if Trump won. Both sides hate each other. We need to divorce.
No, what we really need to do is just kick a dozen or so counties out of the U.S. It's the big cities that have killed this country. Big cities are the source of leftism and corruption.
What would balance the idiocy of having a dozen counties deciding the future of the country for everyone else, is to enact a Electoral College style procedure in all fifty states, balancing the population by county, instead of having one county hijack the entire state election.
It is so perfectly fair that the communists (democrats) would rather burn the entire country to the ground than let it happen.
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Yeah well. All we need to do is go back prior to Nov 3 of last year and look at how the Democrats talked about seceding if Trump won. Both sides hate each other. We need to divorce.
No, what we really need to do is just kick a dozen or so counties out of the U.S. It's the big cities that have killed this country. Big cities are the source of leftism and corruption.
The big cities need the rest of the country. The rest of the country doesn’t need the big cities. Rural America does not have an interdependence with New York or Los Angeles. And Chicago is no longer the hog butcher for the world, as written by Carl Sandburg.
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The big cities need the rest of the country. The rest of the country doesn’t need the big cities.
Yup, blow the bridges and tunnels into Manhattan, let's see how quickly they can grow food to feed 1.6M people.
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Yup, blow the bridges and tunnels into Manhattan, let's see how quickly they can grow food to feed 1.6M people.
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And now they are changing the names of schools to get rid of Jefferson, Washington, Madison, etc.
Lincoln, who emancipated the slaves, too is now eschewed as a bad guy.