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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: bflynn on May 16, 2017, 02:50:19 PM
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So can someone accurately explain what's going on for the last day with the Russia meeting? Have the Democrats even defined what crime they think was committed or have they jumped straight to "we hate him, so off with his head"?
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So can someone accurately explain what's going on for the last day with the Russia meeting? Have the Democrats even defined what crime they think was committed or have they jumped straight to "we hate him, so off with his head"?
He met with the Russian Ambassador, just like every president before him in modern history. He even shared some intel on ISIS with them, again, just like his predecessors.
But since it's Trump, it's all wrong and he had to do something terrible.
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He met with the Russian Ambassador, just like every president before him in modern history. He even shared some intel on ISIS with them, again, just like his predecessors.
But since it's Trump, it's all wrong and he had to do something terrible.
My problem is that I wouldn't put it past Trump to say something to the Russians, off the cuff, that could be treading on the edge of classified information. This could be a big thing.
But when they make such a big deal out of him getting TWO SCOOPS of ice cream, or that he got THOUSAND ISLAND dressing when everyone else got vinaigrette, then it is very much like the boy that cried wolf. You can't believe a damn thing the MSM says about Trump because it is all bad and it is all subjective journalism (when they are supposed to be taught objective journalism.
Even CNN said they couldn't verify the WAPO story, but they ran with it anyway.
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My problem is that I wouldn't put it past Trump to say something to the Russians, off the cuff, that could be treading on the edge of classified information. This could be a big thing.
First of all, I don't think Trump is that ignorant. The media wants to paint him as an ignoramus but he's not.
Secondly, the President does have the ability to declassify information.
But when they make such a big deal out of him getting TWO SCOOPS of ice cream, or that he got THOUSAND ISLAND dressing when everyone else got vinaigrette, then it is very much like the boy that cried wolf. You can't believe a damn thing the MSM says about Trump because it is all bad and it is all subjective journalism (when they are supposed to be taught objective journalism.
Even CNN said they couldn't verify the WAPO story, but they ran with it anyway.
Of course they did. Just like Fox keeps running negative stories under the guise of "This is being reported by other news outlets". They attempt to make it look like they are making the story look illegitimate, but then proceed to cover each and every MSM talking point over and over, and in detail.
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My problem is that I wouldn't put it past Trump to say something to the Russians, off the cuff, that could be treading on the edge of classified information. This could be a big thing.
But when they make such a big deal out of him getting TWO SCOOPS of ice cream, or that he got THOUSAND ISLAND dressing when everyone else got vinaigrette, then it is very much like the boy that cried wolf. You can't believe a damn thing the MSM says about Trump because it is all bad and it is all subjective journalism (when they are supposed to be taught objective journalism.
Even CNN said they couldn't verify the WAPO story, but they ran with it anyway.
Assuming for a minute that everything WAPO said is true, so what? By US Law, the president is the ultimate authority on classified information. He could have disclosed the nuclear launch codes and it would have been really stupid, but not illegal.
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Here's reality, we should get used to it.
The Democrats and the media hate Trump, a real visceral hatred that is beyond most folks comprehension. There will be a new story every other day or so stating that Trump has done something that he should be impeached for. During the eight years of Obama they have grown to believe the White house belonged to them and they would never lose it again. The Russians, oh sorry, Hillary turned out to be such a lousy candidate combined with the Democrats making a choice to cast aside the middle class white vote, they lost the White house and we are seeing the outcome of that.
The Washington Post is owned by Liberal Jeff Bezos, need we say more. CNN's ratings have sunk below that of HGTV. Let's not forget how many seats the Democrats have lost on the local, state and federal level. They will only get more dangerous, just how dangerous we do not know.
As mentioned above, the President has to right to declassify material. I don't really think he did that here though, he just shared info on the likelihood of there being a laptop bomb.
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http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2017/05/16/guests-remind-nbc-cnn-obama-gave-classified-intel-russia
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I don't know how they can even talk about protecting classified information with a straight face after their candidate (Hillary) and her server.
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The Washington Post seems to be leading the PROPAGANDA parade right now. CNN, NBC/MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, AP, Reuters, etc are right up there with them. It is total B.S., non-news. It is really sickening.
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The lynchings will continue, get used to it. The left/media is throwing the biggest political tantrum I've ever seen.
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The retard-o-meter was pegged when Maxine Waters claimed Donald Trump should be impeached because he didn;t believe something the progressive morons were promoting that day.
The democrat party has become an outright seditious organization as dangerous as they are uninformed.
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The Washington Post seems to be leading the PROPAGANDA parade right now. CNN, NBC/MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, AP, Reuters, etc are right up there with them. It is total B.S., non-news. It is really sickening.
Jeff Bezos
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Jeff Bezos
Media propaganda outlets like the Washington Post, New York Times, NBC/MSNBC, CNN, ESPN, etc are all owned, and run by individuals, and corporations that make HUGE money elsewhere so can afford to lose money on these far left LIARS. Jeff Bezos, Bloomberg, Brian Roberts, and a host of others that are pulling the strings.
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The retard-o-meter was pegged when Maxine Waters claimed Donald Trump should be impeached because he didn;t believe something the progressive morons were promoting that day.
The democrat party has become an outright seditious organization as dangerous as they are uninformed.
Several Democrats have called for impeachment. At this point there is no basis for it, so what they have done is reveal that their desires are partisan based hatred. Any future calls for impeachment will be tainted by that.
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I cannot seem to find the transcript of Comey's Testimony from May 3rd. Senate hearing I believe.
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Several Democrats have called for impeachment. At this point there is no basis for it, so what they have done is reveal that their desires are partisan based hatred. Any future calls for impeachment will be tainted by that.
Some Democrats were calling for impeachment well before now. Maxine Waters comes to mind.
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I cannot seem to find the transcript of Comey's Testimony from May 3rd. Senate hearing I believe.
Gosh, it seems like it has happened so often. Perhaps this is relevant to why he was fired?
March 20 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/20/full-transcript-fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election/
May 3 statement - https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/oversight-of-the-federal-bureau-of-investigation-050317
May 3 questions? - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/03/read-the-full-testimony-of-fbi-director-james-comey-in-which-he-discusses-clinton-email-investigation/?utm_term=.eeec9217424e
May 15 - http://gulcfac.typepad.com/georgetown_university_law/files/comey.transcript.pdf
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Some Democrats were calling for impeachment well before now. Maxine Waters comes to mind.
I think she, and some others were calling for his impeachment when he was President Elect!!! Maxine Waters is the poster child for everything that is wrong in politics. Elijah Cummings, Chuck Schummer, Nancy Pelosi, etc are others to name a few.
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I think she, and some others were calling for his impeachment when he was President Elect!!! Maxine Waters is the poster child for everything that is wrong in politics. Elijah Cummings, Chuck Schummer, Nancy Pelosi, etc are others to name a few.
Correct. Right after the inauguration there was an interview with Nancy Pelosiwhere she floated the impeachment idea, because, as she said "so the voters could realize the mistake they made during the election".
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Correct. Right after the inauguration there was an interview with Nancy Pelosiwhere she floated the impeachment idea, because, as she said "so the voters could realize the mistake they made during the election".
I hadn't heard that quote from her before but it doesn't surprise me. The Democrats apparently refuse to learn why they've lost at the state and federal level across the country in massive proportions.
That being said, this Russia/Flynn thing could change the 2018 mid-terms, which is exactly what the Democrats want. The way to prevent that from happening is to focus on tax reform, health reform and building the wall.
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I hadn't heard that quote from her before but it doesn't surprise me. The Democrats apparently refuse to learn why they've lost at the state and federal level across the country in massive proportions.
That being said, this Russia/Flynn thing could change the 2018 mid-terms, which is exactly what the Democrats want. The way to prevent that from happening is to focus on tax reform, health reform and building the wall.
My prediction is after an investigation Mueller will have no findings and it will end. The left will claim conspiracy and go on another tirade, and of course demand a new investigation with a SP of their choosing.
The folks in the flyover states, those irredeemable deplorables who cling to their bibles and guns are paying attention to this circus being put on by the left, and will have even more resolve not to let them back into power.
The liberal progressive left is not that large of a movement and with the help of the MSM they only appear to have any clout. The more people that tune them and their mouthpiece (MSM) out will weather the latest storm.
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My prediction is after an investigation Mueller will have no findings and it will end. The left will claim conspiracy and go on another tirade, and of course demand a new investigation with a SP of their choosing.
Agreed. If the Democrats take over either the House or the Senate (or both) they'll launch an "independent commission" to get the results they want, regardless of what the special counsel determines.
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Not only are Democrats not satisfied with the appointment of a special counsel, some are saying that we don't have time to wait for an investigation and should just go ahead and impeach Trump:
“We simply do not have the luxury of time to wait for months or years to determine whether the current president of the United States has committed high crimes and misdemeanors,” Mr. Pritzker said, adding: “The House must begin the impeachment process before Donald Trump puts us at risk again.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/us/politics/democrats-trump-impeachment.html?_r=0
There's all kinds of great quotes in that article.
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Not only are Democrats not satisfied with the appointment of a special counsel, some are saying that we don't have time to wait for an investigation and should just go ahead and impeach Trump:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/us/politics/democrats-trump-impeachment.html?_r=0
There's all kinds of great quotes in that article.
Smacks of "We have to pass the bill to see what's in the bill" mentality.
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Not only are Democrats not satisfied with the appointment of a special counsel, some are saying that we don't have time to wait for an investigation and should just go ahead and impeach Trump:
The Democrats know the media will repeat, repeat, and repeat again the lies they throw out. The Dems know that if they keep yelling these lies, that Trump will have to react to them, and the general public will eventually begin to believe these lies as they get repeated so much. The hope is that the public will turn on Trump, and vote for Dems in the next elections. Trumps agenda will be stopped, and we will go back to the very destructive focus on identity politics and fake, social justice causes to further divide us.
A divided populous is an easily controlled one. Trump is trying to unite us with the Make America Great Again mantra giving us pride in ourselves, and our country. The Democrats hate that.
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The Democrats know the media will repeat, repeat, and repeat again the lies they throw out. The Dems know that if they keep yelling these lies, that Trump will have to react to them, and the general public will eventually begin to believe these lies as they get repeated so much. The hope is that the public will turn on Trump, and vote for Dems in the next elections. Trumps agenda will be stopped, and we will go back to the very destructive focus on identity politics and fake, social justice causes to further divide us.
A divided populous is an easily controlled one. Trump is trying to unite us with the Make America Great Again mantra giving us pride in ourselves, and our country. The Democrats hate that.
I disagree. I think the liberal progressives are overplaying their hand and by the mass hysteria are actually making the rest take a hard look at them and their actions. If anything, people (irredeemable deplorables) are finding even more resolve to keep these radicals out of power.
The ratings are going up on the cable MSM "news" programs not that people are going along with the propaganda, but more just watching the ongoing freak show (kinda like reality TV on steroids)
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I disagree. I think the liberal progressives are overplaying their hand and by the mass hysteria are actually making the rest take a hard look at them and their actions. If anything, people (irredeemable deplorables) are finding even more resolve to keep these radicals out of power.
The ratings are going up on the cable MSM "news" programs not that people are going along with the propaganda, but more just watching the ongoing freak show (kinda like reality TV on steroids)
I hope you are right. The left/media/Dems are doubling down on their lunacy. Like always, they believe they lost the election because they weren't FAR LEFT ENOUGH. I hope this alienates even more people to leave their silliness behind.
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I disagree. I think the liberal progressives are overplaying their hand and by the mass hysteria are actually making the rest take a hard look at them and their actions. If anything, people (irredeemable deplorables) are finding even more resolve to keep these radicals out of power.
The ratings are going up on the cable MSM "news" programs not that people are going along with the propaganda, but more just watching the ongoing freak show (kinda like reality TV on steroids)
I hope you are right, as I just posted in another thread, a lot of people ARE seeing through the insanity. This is why I fear they will eventually need to resort to violence, a military coup even, if they can get enough on the inside to do it. By the way, that's a scenario I've often wondered about. The stereotype military is not a leftist to be sure. But conservatives certainly don't have a lock on the entire DoD by any means. I'm curious about you guys' thoughts on this.
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I hope you are right.
Jinx no take backs! ;D
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I hope you are right, as I just posted in another thread, a lot of people ARE seeing through the insanity. This is why I fear they will eventually need to resort to violence, a military coup even, if they can get enough on the inside to do it. By the way, that's a scenario I've often wondered about. The stereotype military is not a leftist to be sure. But conservatives certainly don't have a lock on the entire DoD by any means. I'm curious about you guys' thoughts on this.
There is going to be violence, no doubt. When the lunatics realize they won't regain power in 2018 they will go into a frenzy of the likes never seen before.
As far as a military coup, I have my doubts. We will see the fights using MSM and of course the moonbats in the streets looting and pillaging.
Brace yourself, the next couple of years are going to be something.
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There is going to be violence, no doubt. When the lunatics realize they won't regain power in 2018 they will go into a frenzy of the likes never seen before.
As far as a military coup, I have my doubts. We will see the fights using MSM and of course the moonbats in the streets looting and pillaging.
Brace yourself, the next couple of years are going to be something.
I absolutely DO NOT want to use those Claymores I've been hoarding! ;D
Yes, NSA spies, and your subcontractors, I am joking!!!
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Start around 3:35.
Still no evidence. ::)
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Another big story regarding Trump/Russia.
Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.76851197f088
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Another big story regarding Trump/Russia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.76851197f088
If I ever see any real evidence of any real wrongdoing, I might be troubled.
But so far it is a bunch of rumor spread by un-named, anonymous sources of possible links to things that may or may not have actually been a problem. But that is enough for WaPo, and if it is enough for WaPo, then it is enough for all the rest of the frenzied media. And if it is enough fore the frenzied media, then it is enough for 47% of the US population.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-26/trump-s-allies-convicted-of-high-crimes-without-a-trial
After all, Flynn has yet to be charged with a crime. If there is evidence that he betrayed his country, it has yet to be presented. None of the many news stories about Flynn's contacts with Russians and Turks has accused him of being disloyal to his country. And yet a decorated general has already been tried and convicted in the press.
None of this would be happening without some very dirty business from the national security state. It's a two-pronged campaign. First there are the whispers. Anonymous officials describe in detail elements of an ongoing investigation: intercepts of conversations between Russian officials about how they could influence Flynn during the transition; monitored phone calls about how Flynn had lied about his conversations with the Russian ambassador to his colleagues; how Flynn failed to disclose his payment from the Russian propaganda network on his official forms. This prong of the campaign is at least factual, but the facts don't speak for themselves.
The second and more insidious element here is the innuendo. Yates never says Flynn was a spy for Russia. But her public remarks to Congress and the media appear designed to leave that impression. As she told Lizza, Flynn was "compromised by the Russians." This sounds far more sinister than Flynn's explanation when he left his post in February. Back then he said he had forgotten elements of his discussion with the Russian ambassador that covered a wide range of issues.
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It seems like the pussy left is all up in arms because President Trump (That is really their problem. He's not named hilary.) mentioned that the fucking muslim terrorists might well use laptops as bombs, among other things to circumvent standard security.
Funny.... the lunatic media headlined those same concerns on APRIL 17th.
Their outrage is no more honest than maxine waters claims that Maxine Trump is 'continuing to invade Korea.'
To be fair, she pronounced it, KO-REA!
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If I ever see any real evidence of any real wrongdoing, I might be troubled.
But so far it is a bunch of rumor spread by un-named, anonymous sources of possible links to things that may or may not have actually been a problem. But that is enough for WaPo, and if it is enough for WaPo, then it is enough for all the rest of the frenzied media. And if it is enough fore the frenzied media, then it is enough for 47% of the US population.
I agree with this for the most part. Many of these stories are coming from "un-named, anonymous" sources and some have been proven false shortly after their initial release. That being said, the allegations are troubling. Trying to setup a back channel isn't necessarily the problem, but of him trying to use Russian equipment at their embassy. We'll have to wait and see if anything more comes of this.
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I agree with this for the most part. Many of these stories are coming from "un-named, anonymous" sources and some have been proven false shortly after their initial release. That being said, the allegations are troubling. Trying to setup a back channel isn't necessarily the problem, but of him trying to use Russian equipment at their embassy.
Now here is a story using again, unnamed sources and conjecture and you find "the allegations are troubling"?
So where is your proof that he "tried to use Russian equipment at their embassy" other than allegations by unknown individuals?
We'll have to wait and see if anything more comes of this.
You are already drawing conclusions based on a MSM hit piece.
As long as the MSM keeps this tactic up it's just a lot mental masturbation on their part and not worth wasting time over.
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http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/new-kushner-russia-story-stokes-concern-west-wing-leakers/
Another Washington Post anonymously sourced hit job dropped on the Trump White House — this one about Jared Kushner asking the Russian ambassador for a “secret channel.” It landed just in time to greet the president upon his return from his first international trip and shortly after Attorney General Jeff Sessions pledged to “put an end to” the rampant leaks coming from within the government. An administration plagued with leaks is now trying to determine whether recent damaging claims may have been fanned from within the West Wing.
Interestingly, The Washington Post apparently received its tip about this story through an anonymous letter it received in December — whose full contents the newspaper has not revealed. The letter stated, in part, that Kushner raised the issue with Kislyak about setting up the secure communications channel. It also discussed "arranging a meeting between a representative of Trump and a 'Russian contact' in a third country whose name was not identified," the newspaper reports.
Anonymous, conjecture and timing, reeks of a political hit job.
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Now here is a story using again, unnamed sources and conjecture and you find "the allegations are troubling"?
Yes.
So where is your proof that he "tried to use Russian equipment at their embassy" other than allegations by unknown individuals?
I don't have any nor did I state that I did.
You are already drawing conclusions based on a MSM hit piece.
What conclusions would those be?
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What conclusions would those be?
I read that story and say "Typical hit piece, anonymous, no evidence and released timing is suspect".
You read it and find the allegations troubling, which to me indicates you want to believe this garbage.
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I read that story and say "Typical hit piece, anonymous, no evidence and released timing is suspect".
You read it and find the allegations troubling, which to me indicates you want to believe this garbage.
Finding the allegations troubling is not the same as believing them. If the allegations are true, it's a big deal. But to be able to prove any of it, someone is going to have to come forward with actual names of people who can then testify under oath. There's a balance, here.
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Good article from the National Review talking about the new allegations about the alleged back channel.
Most notably, the Kushner–Kislyak meeting occurred in December 2016, weeks after the election. If there had been a close working relationship between the Trump campaign and the Putin regime — a working relationship that purportedly amounted to collusion in Russia’s attempts to influence the outcome of the election — then why would it have been necessary to set up a back channel in December? The secret lines of communication would already have been up and running for months. And they would certainly have been known to Kushner, Trump’s closest adviser; apparently, despite his sparse policy résumé, the “young princeling,” as West Wing rivals have taken to describing him, has been given every portfolio, from the holy grail of Middle East peace to the reinvention of the sprawling, $4.1 trillion per annum U.S. government.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448075/jared-kushner-sergey-kislyak-secret-back-channels-russia-amateur-hour
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/29/jared-kushner-didnt-suggest-russian-communications-channel-in-meeting-source-says.html
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I hadn't heard that quote from her before but it doesn't surprise me. The Democrats apparently refuse to learn why they've lost at the state and federal level across the country in massive proportions.
That being said, this Russia/Flynn thing could change the 2018 mid-terms, which is exactly what the Democrats want. The way to prevent that from happening is to focus on tax reform, health reform and building the wall.
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At least we know if Nancy Pelosi loses her politician gig, she could have a nice career haunting houses. ;D