PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: acrogimp on March 14, 2016, 08:02:57 AM
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First off, I want to state that I am a practicing Roman Catholic and I believe Faith has an important part in not just our private religious lives but it also informs our public self in terms of moralilty and right and wrong.
So, that is why I am concerned to say that this is the kind of thing that Cruz will face if he becomes the nominee:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/video-reveals-pastor-calls-for-execution-of-gays-then-introduces-ted-cruz-on-stage/
If anything qualifies as showing a lack of political intelligence it will be every appearance like this he has ever made.
God said kill the gays, and now let me introduce Ted Cruz - seriously. This is the danger from Cruz's ill-formed strategy to give the finger to majority of the Party and focus on the Christian Right. It is, unfortunately, populated by a precious few guys like this, who say things like this - and this will be on non-stop adds from PAC's with 'no connection to any candidate or candidates' campaign' wink-wink-nudge-nudge, 24/7 with ominous music and Nazi imagery for months before the election.
I suspect there may be things in Trump's history that will be cringeworthy but I'd be very surprised if there is anything like this, and this will prove to be the tip of the iceberg for Cruz given his approach to this campaign.
Cruz supporters be warned, your candidate is damaged and will be providing ammunition directly to the opposition.
'Gimp
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Cruz supporters be warned, your candidate is damaged and will be providing ammunition directly to the opposition.
That's hilarious coming from someone who keeps telling us how great Trump is.
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That's hilarious coming from someone who keeps telling us how great Trump is.
I haven't said Trump is great. I have said I support him and given reasons why.
Who do you support, and why?
What are some things your candidate has done that you disagree with? I have addressed some of that as well and plan to continue to do so.
One - Trick - Pony, your hard-on is showing.
'Gimp
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I haven't said Trump is great. I have said I support him and given reasons why.
Yep. He's infinitely flexible. Gotcha, you have not one clue what he'll do in office. He's already said he'll appoint judges acceptable to Harry Reid.
[/size]Who do you support, and why?
My preferred candidate has dropped out. She was an outside with business experience who didn't seem mentally unstable. Yep, she made some errors, but seemed to have a process of saying "Hmmm...I made a mistake and reserve the right to get smarter." Has your guy ever admitted error?
One - Trick - Pony, your hard-on is showing.
Just because you keep saying that doesn't make it true.
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Yep. He's infinitely flexible. Gotcha, you have not one clue what he'll do in office. He's already said he'll appoint judges acceptable to Harry Reid.
My preferred candidate has dropped out. She was an outside with business experience who didn't seem mentally unstable. Yep, she made some errors, but seemed to have a process of saying "Hmmm...I made a mistake and reserve the right to get smarter." Has your guy ever admitted error?
Just because you keep saying that doesn't make it true.
So, a punt on who you support. Again. Such a surprise. ::)
One - Trick - Pony
'Gimp
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So, a punt on who you support. Again. Such a surprise. ::)
One - Trick - Pony
'Gimp
If you couldn't figure out who I supported, well, I guess I can't help you then. Anyone who's been following, it's pretty obvious.
But, yeah, keep it up with the One-Trick-Pony. When you apply it to Lucifer and his every post about "bible salesman", while I have a literal multitude of problems with Trumpy, and can come up with new ones every day, well, you don't understand the meaning of the phrase.
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If you couldn't figure out who I supported, well, I guess I can't help you then. Anyone who's been following, it's pretty obvious.
But, yeah, keep it up with the One-Trick-Pony. When you apply it to Lucifer and his every post about "bible salesman", while I have a literal multitude of problems with Trumpy, and can come up with new ones every day, well, you don't understand the meaning of the phrase.
I've not called Cruz anything other than Cruz. Swing and a miss - name calling is juvenile. Lucifer is pedantic about Cruz, however as I pointed out he pales in comparison to your jihad in terms of post count and vitriol.
I am aware of the flaws my candidate has and have either chosen to explain my belief about them or not - your approval of my choice is neither required nor requested.
Since you refuse to outright say who you support, and why, should I assume you are ashamed of it, you don't know why you support them, or that you just lack the will to post anything positive?
You could even try to muster an actual defense of Cruz's approach or tell us why it's OK for someone to say God says kill the gays, here's Ted Cruz - but it is not OK for Trump to 'fail' to immediately condemn a former KKK leader, on a single appearance, whom he had previously condemned on multiple occasions. Some might call that hypocrisy but I wouldn't want to try do it either, that would take some pretty heavy mental gymnastics I suspect.
One trick pony is absolutely applicable since all you post is anti-Trump, that you use different words in different posts is irrelevant, your anti-Trump hard-on dominates your post count right now, try cracking a Dictionary.
'Gimp
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Cruz is a religious zealot, he's just hiding his true religious affiliation for political gain. And his religious bible thumping is turning many potential voters off.
And the the double standard. Just replace Cruz's name with Trump in this last event in the OP and the media would be going 24/7.
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He's already said he'll appoint judges acceptable to Harry Reid.
Circling back to this to see if it's possible to have a rational, fact-based discussion - where is the direct quote from Trump that supports this claim?
What, specifically, leads you to say this. I am expecting names, dates, sources - something beyond your opinion, because this would be troubling for me and it does not match up with the information I have been seeing.
To try and help you not embarrass yourself I will drop these in advance:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/16/ted-cruz/cruz-trump-thinks-his-sister-hardcore-pro-abortion/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/02/19/3750758/what-if-donald-trump-wins-inside-his-plans-for-the-supreme-court/
http://abovethelaw.com/2016/03/donald-trumps-supreme-court-nominees/
'Gimp
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Cruz is a religious zealot, he's just hiding his true religious affiliation for political gain. And his religious bible thumping is turning many potential voters off.
And the the double standard. Just replace Cruz's name with Trump in this last event in the OP and the media would be going 24/7.
See what I mean about One-Trick-Pony?
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Cruz is really pissing me off lately. I'm not thrilled with Trump either. I will vote for either of them in the general but they are flawed candidates.
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Cruz is really pissing me off lately. I'm not thrilled with Trump either. I will vote for either of them in the general but they are flawed candidates.
This is beginning to be a pattern - I have several friends who have been vocal Cruz supporters who have expressed anywhere from concern to outrage over Cruz's recent behavior, mostly with the response to the Move-On.org organized attack at the Trump rally in Chicago (blaming Trump), or his tent-revival style religious meanderings.
Several sound like they have or are leaning towards dumping him. Which begs the question how committed his limited number of supporters are - IMO he lacks the charisma/personal engagement that is an integral part of building a winning campaign.
I find that a little surprising, but if Trump did something so out of character from my expectations of him I could understand it.
Truth is all of the remaining candidates on all sides are flawed, some more deeply than others (nobody on our side is under threat of indictment). Would that we could actually get good and decent candidates able to focus on the issues, and a more mundane issues oriented Primary system.
Still, the GOP establishment made this bed, and now they have to lie in it.
'Gimp
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Cruz is really pissing me off lately. I'm not thrilled with Trump either. I will vote for either of them in the general but they are flawed candidates.
Yes, they are all flawed, including Cruz. Unfortunately, as a Tea Party guy, Trump doesn't even come near the bar of what I was looking for as a Conservative candidate. Not even close.
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Yes, they are all flawed, including Cruz. Unfortunately, as a Tea Party guy, Trump doesn't even come near the bar of what I was looking for as a Conservative candidate. Not even close.
I totally get this, said as a very conservative guy who can't find any way to support Cruz.
'Gimp
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Yes, they are all flawed, including Cruz. Unfortunately, as a Tea Party guy, Trump doesn't even come near the bar of what I was looking for as a Conservative candidate. Not even close.
What this is, I think, is the reality of US politics. The folks who we might have in mind as the best person for the job, are either A) not what they seem, B) not the type of people to run for office or C) not electable. Most decent, competent, brilliant people wouldn't dream of subjecting themselves to the popularity free-for-all that is our presidential race.
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What this is, I think, is the reality of US politics. The folks who we might have in mind as the best person for the job, are either A) not what they seem, B) not the type of people to run for office or C) not electable. Most decent, competent, brilliant people wouldn't dream of subjecting themselves to the popularity free-for-all that is our presidential race.
To be clear, I don't think that Cruz is any of those.
I am just hoping for someone who has actually fucking read those three important documents sitting under light-proof glass in the Rotunda for the Charters of Freedom in the National Archives.
Only one guy has proven that he has actually read them.
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To be clear, I don't think that Cruz is any of those.
I am just hoping for someone who has actually fucking read those three important documents sitting under light-proof glass in the Rotunda for the Charters of Freedom in the National Archives.
Only one guy has proven that he has actually read them.
Reading them is one thing.
I do not want a religious zealot in the White House. He may act one way now, but once swore in they can become a lunatic.
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Reading them is one thing.
I do not want a religious zealot in the White House. He may act one way now, but once swore in they can become a lunatic.
"They" can? Who's "they", and what evidence do you have of that?
You are scared of the boogie man. I can't help you.
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"They" can? Who's "they", and what evidence do you have of that?
You are scared of the boogie man. I can't help you.
Religious zealots are all the same. I grew up in the Bible Belt and been around them. The Pentecostals are Southern Baptist on steroids. A religious zealot will smile and tell you whatever you want to hear, and as soon as they get what they want they will plunge a knife in your back. And they justify it with "I'm with the Lord, so I can do this."
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Religious zealots are all the same. I grew up in the Bible Belt and been around them. The Pentecostals are Southern Baptist on steroids. A religious zealot will smile and tell you whatever you want to hear, and as soon as they get what they want they will plunge a knife in your back. And they justify it with "I'm with the Lord, so I can do this."
As opposed to a "normal" person who goes around calling himself "Lucifer"?
No thanks. I'll take the God Squad.
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As opposed to a "normal" person who goes around calling himself "Lucifer"?
No thanks. I'll take the God Squad.
So be it. I'm not religious having that crap shoved down my throat and watching how the zealots gleefully screw over anyone who disagrees with them or don't buy their line of shit.
Now go "lay hands" on the chosen one. You may get lucky and get a "God Bless" from him.