PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on August 23, 2021, 09:47:51 AM
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So now the FDA has blessed Phizer, does that mean no more disclaimers will have to be signed before taking the shot? Will Phizer and the federal government now allow themselves to be liable for the vaccine? After all, the esteemed FDA approved it, right?
How did the FDA grant approval after Phizer admitted botching some off the trials? And that pesky VAERS data, why was it not considered?
And did the "Big Guy" get his 10% to rush the approval through?
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The government assumed liability for vaccines in the 1980s and set up an injury compensation program for anyone claiming to have been injured:
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html (https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html)
As to the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, according to the press release the FDA does note it is hazardous:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine (https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine)
Additionally, the FDA conducted a rigorous evaluation of the post-authorization safety surveillance data pertaining to myocarditis and pericarditis following administration of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and has determined that the data demonstrate increased risks, particularly within the seven days following the second dose. The observed risk is higher among males under 40 years of age compared to females and older males. The observed risk is highest in males 12 through 17 years of age. Available data from short-term follow-up suggest that most individuals have had resolution of symptoms. However, some individuals required intensive care support. Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes. The Comirnaty Prescribing Information includes a warning about these risks.
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Isn't it odd how homicides outpace COVID deaths in democrat communist led cities, but nobody is supposed to mention it?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/16/homicides-outpace-covid-deaths-washington-other-ma/
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Now that the virus is "out of control", 75 doctors took the time out of their busy days of saving lives from the super deadly bug to protest those of us who remain out of the "system."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/group-of-south-florida-doctors-stage-walkout-in-protest-of-unvaccinated-covid-patients/ar-AANDqpD?ocid=msedgntp
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I don't understand the demand that others get vaccinated. If you want to risk your life that way, that's your business. You might as well say someone can't base jump, sky dive or fly helicopters.
From what I'm hearing, everyone will eventually get it and then it's a dice roll - 1-5, you're OK. 6, you have problems, maybe long term and a small chance of dying. I say small, be we would never accept that chance for flying - if each person in the US had a 1.5% chance to die in an airplane in the next 2-5 years, would that be acceptable? Those odds are not for me.
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Some of us are not in a high risk group. Again, personal choice, personal risk.
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I don't understand the demand that others get vaccinated. If you want to risk your life that way, that's your business. You might as well say someone can't base jump, sky dive or fly helicopters.
From what I'm hearing, everyone will eventually get it and then it's a dice roll - 1-5, you're OK. 6, you have problems, maybe long term and a small chance of dying. I say small, be we would never accept that chance for flying - if each person in the US had a 1.5% chance to die in an airplane in the next 2-5 years, would that be acceptable? Those odds are not for me.
I too do not agree with the demand that others get vaccinated.
I also do not agree with laws against gays marrying gays
or discriminating against transexuals
But I do think that a baker or a florist has the right not to cater to those people,
and I do think a doctor has the right not to treat people that chose to not get vaccinated, then get the disease.
Now, cue all of those "but how about . . . " comparisons. I don't care. Are we free to live our life as we see fit or not?
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I guess we can throw out the Hippocratic Oath now as well. Medicine will be decided upon political ideology and affiliation.
Unreal.
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I guess we can throw out the Hippocratic Oath now as well. Medicine will be decided upon political ideology and affiliation.
Unreal.
So now you think its ok to force doctors to treat people that they choose not to treat? If a democrat said that yo would call it forced slavery.
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So now you think its ok to force doctors to treat people that they choose not to treat? If a democrat said that yo would call it forced slavery.
The Hippocratic Oath
(Modern Version)
I SWEAR in the presence of the Almighty and before my family, my teachers and
my peers that according to my ability and judgment I will keep this Oath and
Stipulation.
TO RECKON all who have taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents and
in the same spirit and dedication to impart a knowledge of the art of medicine to
others. I will continue with diligence to keep abreast of advances in medicine. I
will treat without exception all who seek my ministrations, so long as the treatment
of others is not compromised thereby, and I will seek the counsel of particularly
skilled physicians where indicated for the benefit of my patient.
I WILL FOLLOW that method of treatment which according to my ability and
judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patient and abstain from whatever is
harmful or mischievous. I will neither prescribe nor administer a lethal dose of
medicine to any patient even if asked nor counsel any such thing nor perform the
utmost respect for every human life from fertilization to natural death and reject
abortion that deliberately takes a unique human life.
WITH PURITY, HOLINESS AND BENEFICENCE I will pass my life and
practice my art. Except for the prudent correction of an imminent danger, I will
neither treat any patient nor carry out any research on any human being without the
valid informed consent of the subject or the appropriate legal protector thereof,
understanding that research must have as its purpose the furtherance of the health
of that individual. Into whatever patient setting I enter, I will go for the benefit of
the sick and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief or corruption and
further from the seduction of any patient.
WHATEVER IN CONNECTION with my professional practice or not in
connection with it I may see or hear in the lives of my patients which ought not be
spoken abroad, I will not divulge, reckoning that all such should be kept secret.
WHILE I CONTINUE to keep this Oath unviolated may it be granted to me to
enjoy life and the practice of the art and science of medicine with the blessing of
the Almighty and respected by my peers and society, but should I trespass and
violate this Oath, may the reverse by my lot.
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I guess we can throw out the Hippocratic Oath now as well. Medicine will be decided upon political ideology and affiliation.
Unreal.
It is unreal. My Dad, a dentist, practicing for 50 years took his Hippocratic oath seriously and non politically, treating Blacks in the 50s and 60s and beyond when, for some it was considered bad businesses. He's rolling in his grave.
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The doctors refusing to treat unvaccinated Covid patients are doing it purely for POLITICAL purposes.
They’re grandstanding. If they were truly concerned, they would be prescribing proactive Covid management using ivermectin, HCQ, zinc, vitamin c and d.
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A doctor must continue to treat a patient already under their care. It is a breach of federal and most state laws to do otherwise. Doctors also have a moral responsibility to their patients. The law makes slaves of us all.
A doctor is not required to accept a new patient.
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A doctor is not required to accept a new patient.
Really?
"I will treat without exception all who seek my ministrations, so long as the treatment
of others is not compromised thereby, "
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https://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/greek/greek_oath.html
Over the centuries, it has been rewritten often in order to suit the values of different cultures influenced by Greek medicine. Contrary to popular belief, the Hippocratic Oath is not required by most modern medical schools, although some have adopted modern versions that suit many in the profession in the 21st century. It also does not explicitly contain the phrase, "First, do no harm," which is commonly attributed to it.
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https://www.verywellhealth.com/can-my-doctor-fire-or-dismiss-me-as-a-patient-2615017
We've known for a long time that patients can leave a doctor for a new one. But in recent years we are hearing more and more about doctors who are dismissing their patients. Patients ask me frequently, "Can my doctor dismiss me?" The answer is—yes it is legal and fair for a doctor to fire a patient under any circumstances.1
But there are also circumstances under which a doctor may not dismiss a patient.
Non-Allowed Reasons
Protected non-discrimination class (race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity)
HIV status
Cannot dismiss while actively undergoing care
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It’s like all other private business. Like the cake baker and gay weddings. They should be free to associate or not with whomever they want.
BUT! The healthcare industry, like others, is corporatizing way too much. No longer do you have 3 or 4 independent doctors to choose from in your small town or an alternative to go to if one refuses you. Doctors are being bought up by large practices and centralizing in big cities. This is being driven in part by government policy of course, as it always is, such as Medicare, and a sue happy public, tax structure, and everything else that’s destroying all small businesses.
Just like mom and pop stores have been replaced by Walmart. If mom and pop don’t want you in their store because you’re not vaccinated they should be free to refuse you. Not so for Walmart that killed all the mom and pop stores and now is the only place you can buy food!
Same for doctors. Right to refuse works when there is competition. When you create conditions of no competition and try to refuse service, this gives rise to discontent and breakdown of society leading to even more government control which probably ends with nationalization of the healthcare industry.
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https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1429996564202786823
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https://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/greek/greek_oath.html
My wife said the oath on the first day of medical school. It was purely ceremonial.
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My wife said the oath on the first day of medical school. It was purely ceremonial.
Apparently the Oath of Office in our constitution is also just ceremonial now as well.
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Apparently the Oath of Office in our constitution is also just ceremonial now as well.
Judging from the actions of some of our politicians, you didn't need to put that in green.
But back to the Hippocratic Oath, not only is it not required in most schools, there are many versions of it that are worded differently. So quoting one line from one version proves nothing. Doctors can "fire" patients for any reason that is not defined as discriminatory.
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But back to the Hippocratic Oath, not only is it not required in most schools, there are many versions of it that are worded differently. So quoting one line from one version proves nothing. Doctors can "fire" patients for any reason that is not defined as discriminatory.
A real Doctor, one that is trained and genuinely cares for patients, does not refuse to treat sick people over a political ideology. Those doctors in Florida that walked out and refused to treat unvaccinated patients were doing nothing more than grandstanding.
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A real Doctor, one that is trained and genuinely cares for patients, does not refuse to treat sick people over a political ideology. Those doctors in Florida that walked out and refused to treat unvaccinated patients were doing nothing more than grandstanding.
Just like POS mikey.
He is so vexed because so few people believe a thing he posts.
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Just like POS mikey.
He is so vexed because so few people believe a thing he posts.
You are a complete dickhead.
I think Trump was the 2nd greatest President we have ever had. (If there is any doubt, RR was best).
I think Biden is fucking up the country in every way possible, from his first day in office when he nixed the pipeline to his current screwing up the Afghanistan withdrawal.
I think Biden and the woke culture is destroying the soul of the country.
And on and on.
But just because I think the vaccine is the best chance we have of defeating the COVID virus and restoring some sense of the economy that Trump built, I am just like Mikey.
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You are a complete dickhead.
I think Trump was the 2nd greatest President we have ever had. (If there is any doubt, RR was best).
I think Biden is fucking up the country in every way possible, from his first day in office when he nixed the pipeline to his current screwing up the Afghanistan withdrawal.
I think Biden and the woke culture is destroying the soul of the country.
And on and on.
But just because I think the vaccine is the best chance we have of defeating the COVID virus and restoring some sense of the economy that Trump built, I am just like Mikey.
Did I say any of that or are you projecting again?
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Some clever sleight of hand by Big Pharma.
https://rumble.com/vlmd4g-pfizer-seeking-full-indemnification.html
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Now that the virus is "out of control", 75 doctors took the time out of their busy days of saving lives from the super deadly bug to protest those of us who remain out of the "system."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/group-of-south-florida-doctors-stage-walkout-in-protest-of-unvaccinated-covid-patients/ar-AANDqpD?ocid=msedgntp
Debunked. They gathered for a press conference and the corrupt media saw an opportunity for some fear spin.
https://www.rt.com/usa/532869-florida-doctor-walkout-covid-media/
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Did I say any of that or are you projecting again?
You replied to Lucifer, who was replying to me, and you said "Just like Mikey".
So I projected.
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You replied to Lucifer, who was replying to me, and you said "Just like Mikey".
So I projected.
Yep.
Glad to know I'm still not as far around the bend as the senile imposter.
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Yep.
Glad to know I'm still not as far around the bend as the senile imposter.
Don't bet on it.
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Don't bet on it.
Ohhhh... you're so mean.
I will probably cry before bed.
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Youtube from what's he name
Wow. It sounds like we shouldn't take any medicine. The FDA is completely corrupt and you can't trust them with aspirin. Better to suffer and die.
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Wow. It sounds like we shouldn't take any medicine. The FDA is completely corrupt and you can't trust them with aspirin. Better to suffer and die.
Of course one would suspect you would make that conclusion. ::)
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Tony the quack is such a tool, and a bit of a moron.
He is perfect for the senile imposter and company.
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