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Spin Zone / Re: Immigration solution
« on: May 02, 2017, 06:48:59 AM »
Quote from: Lucifer on May 02, 2017, 05:46:49 AM
The problem we have is previous administrations refusing to follow the laws, foreigners entering our country illegally and wanting the same treatment (or more) of a citizen and liberal progressives attempting to undermine our entire immigration process.
Democrats don't care about anything other than making more Democrats and being the "champions" for the immigrants is the way to do it. By resettling them all over the U.S. under the Obama administration it made it more difficult to remove them because they were harder to find. The hope was that there'd be some sort of amnesty deal and a pathway to citizenship which would've yielded a significant number more of Democrat voters. The Democrats are playing the long game.

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Spin Zone / Re: Immigration solution
« on: May 01, 2017, 03:02:20 PM »
Quote from: Steingar on May 01, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
If someone's only crime is entering illegally, they've been able to stay out of trouble and are productive residents says me they're people we want, and we should find a way to keep them.

So the ends justify the illegal means?  Not buying it.  The problem is there is no way to separate the ones that will stay out of trouble, and become productive without first vetting them.  That means going through the legal process PRIOR to entry, not after when and if they commit a crime, or just leach off the system. 

Do you try to prevent a parasitic, or destructive organism from entering your system, or are you careless, and just rely on eradicating them if you see the symptoms?   

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Spin Zone / Re: Immigration solution
« on: May 01, 2017, 01:07:58 PM »
Quote from: PaulS on May 01, 2017, 12:49:37 PM
I love immigration,  once again you either ignore or miss the point completely.   It is illegal immigration that is the problem.  In your analysis did you consider extreme poverty, hunger and/or oppression might be stronger motivators to emigrate from an area than intelligence?

In order to make it seem like conservatives don't want ANY immigration, the liberal/progressives lump in illegal invasion with legal immigration.  Thus they can make the conservatives look like they are racist, xenophobic knuckle draggers, and instead of having a reasonable discussion just try to make us look bad, and end the argument.  It is a tried, and true primary tactic of the liberal/progressives, and, Michael as do others, use it all the time.   

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Spin Zone / Re: Nudnik
« on: May 01, 2017, 10:37:07 AM »
Republicans are individuals and thus may not all have the same view on a subject.  The Democrats march in lock step with the leadership.

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Spin Zone / Re: U.S. GDP - slowest growth in three years UNDER TRUMP!
« on: April 28, 2017, 05:11:42 PM »
So what I just heard is that Trumps first quarter was the worst since Obama's....recovery?

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Spin Zone / Re: ESPN - the impact of promoting far left ideology
« on: April 26, 2017, 01:23:15 PM »
Quote from: Gary on April 26, 2017, 12:40:32 PM
<slaps forehead> Duh!  Must have gone off on a tangent of logical thinking!!  ;D

I don't care if it is left leaning or right leaning, I just don't want to see, and hear politics when watching/listening to sports.  It is an escape, that's all, and to be bombarded with anything political isn't relaxing.  Just like when Bruce Springsteen gets political at his concerts.  It isn't necessary. 

It just happens it is well known that ESPN, and sports media in general has a liberal/progressive bias, as do many if not most Pro sports leagues. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Can someone explain how anyone could endorse socialism?
« on: April 25, 2017, 03:53:58 PM »
Quote from: Gary on April 25, 2017, 03:12:27 PM
So where will y'all go to find that political satisfaction?  I can understand it when your choice of Party/President doesn't turn out as promised.
I don't think the problem is with Trump.  I still have hope that he can whip the establishment Rs in line.  Trump is at least trying to do what we elected him for.  But the fragmentation within the party is playing into the Dem's favor.

Don't let the media spin dissuade you from seeing what is really happening.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can someone explain how anyone could endorse socialism?
« on: April 25, 2017, 03:26:08 PM »
Quote from: Gary on April 25, 2017, 03:12:27 PM
So where will y'all go to find that political satisfaction?  I can understand it when your choice of Party/President doesn't turn out as promised.

Libertarian?  Maybe they don't have cookies, but do have pot!  ;)

Possibly a centrist Republican/Democrat?  That way you can criticize both sides (and take heat from both sides)??

I didn't vote for Trump in the Primary, but did in the General.  I am totally on board with him as our current President, and yes surprised I would ever say that.  Not on board with many of the Republicans in Congress, however.  My problem is the Republicans, except for Trump, and a few others, like their cushy, status quo, big government jobs. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Border Wall
« on: April 25, 2017, 01:10:50 PM »
Quote from: LevelWing on April 25, 2017, 12:59:23 PM
One thing to note from the first article is that this is the first installment of the wall, not the cost of the entire wall. Either way, Paul Ryan is a huge part of the problem with the Republicans right now.

Paul Ryan continues to be a huge disappointment.  I used to like him.  With some minor exceptions, he has proven to be an establishment Republican that enjoys the status quo of big government solutions. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Border Wall
« on: April 25, 2017, 12:59:23 PM »
One thing to note from the first article is that this is the first installment of the wall, not the cost of the entire wall. Either way, Paul Ryan is a huge part of the problem with the Republicans right now.

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Spin Zone / Re: SNOPES Has Become a Joke
« on: April 25, 2017, 10:30:23 AM »
Become?  They always have been.

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Spin Zone / Re: Hannity Goes After Debbie Schlussel
« on: April 25, 2017, 08:21:37 AM »
Quote from: Lucifer on April 25, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
Agreed.  But here recently O'Reilly was really digging in on the Susan Rice scandal.

One of the Murdoch's wives really disliked O'Reilly which weighed in on his ouster.  That and Media Matters really wanted him gone.  It's a huge win for MM and has now empowered them to go after other targets. 

Like I said, this is much bigger than just O'Reilly.

I understand, and it is an indication of the Left's strategy which is to dominate the conversation, and not allow a different viewpoint from theirs.  It is the same as with MMGW, and saying the "debate is over".  We must fight these fascists.   

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Spin Zone / Re: Can someone explain how anyone could endorse socialism?
« on: April 25, 2017, 05:09:15 AM »
I don't think he is, but since the Republicans have the White House now it has become much more apparent.  Prior to this they could use the excuse of not having the Presidency.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can someone explain how anyone could endorse socialism?
« on: April 25, 2017, 04:39:03 AM »
Quote from: LevelWing on April 24, 2017, 07:49:12 PM
Perhaps, but the Republicans are experts at defeating themselves every chance they get. They can't get out of their own way to get anything done. The Democrats have a lot of internal party issues, not to mention their ideological issues, but it's hard to fight them when Republicans are too busy fighting themselves.

So far, since Trump has been elected, the Republicans continue to be PART OF THE PROBLEM, not the solution.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can someone explain how anyone could endorse socialism?
« on: April 24, 2017, 07:49:12 PM »
Quote from: Number7 on April 24, 2017, 07:43:01 PM
You are very dense tonight.

ALL it takes is a few politicians with spine and the courage to tell the democrat whores to shut the fuck up and the tide will turn.

The deeply deranged democrats are causing the pendulum to swing against them. They have become a party of liars, thieves, communists, criminals and traitors to the point that more and more people are turning against them every day,
Perhaps, but the Republicans are experts at defeating themselves every chance they get. They can't get out of their own way to get anything done. The Democrats have a lot of internal party issues, not to mention their ideological issues, but it's hard to fight them when Republicans are too busy fighting themselves.

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