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Title: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: Mase on December 29, 2016, 02:45:39 PM
I don't condone the threats but it is interesting to see how she handles the shoe being on the other foot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/12/27/a-professor-called-trumps-election-an-act-of-terrorism-then-she-became-the-victim-of-terror/?utm_term=.4206c81a45ed&wpisrc=nl_az_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/12/27/a-professor-called-trumps-election-an-act-of-terrorism-then-she-became-the-victim-of-terror/?utm_term=.4206c81a45ed&wpisrc=nl_az_most)
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 29, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
Here is a perfect opportunity for Republican and Conservative leadership to step up and emphatically tell people threatening/harassing that professor (and every other liberal) to cut the crap.  Do not sink to the level of the liberals.

Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: PaulS on December 29, 2016, 04:11:17 PM
Trump has already done so, but hopefully he will do it again.   I also look at these reports with skepticism as more and more these "hate" crimes turn out to be liberal attention seekers. 
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: Number7 on December 29, 2016, 04:48:33 PM
The last 17 supposed hate crimes reported to have been committed by Trump supporters seem to have been frauds. This one might be also.
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: Steingar on December 30, 2016, 09:05:29 AM
The last 17 supposed hate crimes reported to have been committed by Trump supporters seem to have been frauds. This one might be also.

I doubt it.  You can read the very long thread about my own dealings in this.  I stray far from politics most days, and only indulge if there's a good joke in it and in the most nonconfrontational way I can find.  But even a relatively innocent exam question got me hauled in front of an administrator, I hate to think what would happen if I actually talked about this stuff in a classroom.

You guys bitch about PC but think its OK so long as it benefits your orange overload.
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: PaulS on December 30, 2016, 09:12:38 AM
I doubt it.  You can read the very long thread about my own dealings in this.  I stray far from politics most days, and only indulge if there's a good joke in it and in the most nonconfrontational way I can find.  But even a relatively innocent exam question got me hauled in front of an administrator, I hate to think what would happen if I actually talked about this stuff in a classroom.

You guys bitch about PC but think its OK so long as it benefits your orange overload.

How so?
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 30, 2016, 09:14:58 AM

You guys bitch about PC but think its OK so long as it benefits your orange overload.

facts not in evidence

(btw - "overload"  typo? or deliberate?.... in either case, I think that "overload" is funny)
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: Anthony on December 30, 2016, 09:23:25 AM
I stray far from politics most days, and only indulge if there's a good joke in it and in the most nonconfrontational way I can find.

But, always at the expense of Republicans, right?

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But even a relatively innocent exam question got me hauled in front of an administrator, I hate to think what would happen if I actually talked about this stuff in a classroom.

I don't know if I believe you, but even if that happened, they probably realize the tide is turning, and their 50 year run of liberal/progressive domination may be over.

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You guys bitch about PC but think its OK so long as it benefits your orange overload.

Ahhh, no.  Examples please?
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: bflynn on December 30, 2016, 09:44:40 AM
I doubt it.  You can read the very long thread about my own dealings in this.  I stray far from politics most days, and only indulge if there's a good joke in it and in the most nonconfrontational way I can find.  But even a relatively innocent exam question got me hauled in front of an administrator, I hate to think what would happen if I actually talked about this stuff in a classroom.

You guys bitch about PC but think its OK so long as it benefits your orange overload.

Michael, you got into trouble not because it was Trump, but because the left has turned universities into areas of non-acceptance.  Your left hating bigoted administrators were as wrong as the right hating bigoted administrators have been at other places.  But they are that way because the behavior was permitted and never corrected. 

This is the kind of thing that drives me to the middle.  Fanatics, on either side, have no place in government.
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: Steingar on December 30, 2016, 09:54:41 AM
Michael, you got into trouble not because it was Trump, but because the left has turned universities into areas of non-acceptance.  Your left hating bigoted administrators were as wrong as the right hating bigoted administrators have been at other places.  But they are that way because the behavior was permitted and never corrected. 

The things my University proscribes mostly involve discrimination against people based on their ethnicity, creed, or sexuality.  This I support utterly, while Universities should be places where ideas are interchanged freely, bigotry has no place anywhere.  Students are free to speak their mind about whatever political matters they wish.  Speakers on my campus have included W and the Orange overlord himself.

I should be free to do likewise, both in and out of my classroom.  I should be able to discuss politics, after all so long as I frame my musings as my own opinion (and not that of my employers or their agents) why shouldn't I have free speech?  Alas, it just isn't so.
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 30, 2016, 09:59:56 AM

I should be free to do likewise, both in and out of my classroom.  I should be able to discuss politics, after all so long as I frame my musings as my own opinion (and not that of my employers or their agents) why shouldn't I have free speech?  Alas, it just isn't so.

You certainly should have the freedom to express your views.

However, your class is not about politics.  Why should you waste the class time expressing your political views?  The students are paying a significant amount of money to learn (whatever your class is about)... or at the very least someone is paying a lot of money. 
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: Steingar on December 30, 2016, 10:45:15 AM
You certainly should have the freedom to express your views.

However, your class is not about politics.  Why should you waste the class time expressing your political views?  The students are paying a significant amount of money to learn (whatever your class is about)... or at the very least someone is paying a lot of money.

W destroyed research on human ES cells (actually, turns out there is no such thing, but we didn't learn that for years because of him and his actions).  The Orange overlord has declared an entire branch of scientific inquiry a hoax, meaning he's called many of my colleagues (and more than a few good friends) liars.  In doing so he has upended the scientific method.  You're going to tell me with a straight face that these things don't belong in a science classroom?
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 30, 2016, 10:47:30 AM
W destroyed research on human ES cells (actually, turns out there is no such thing, but we didn't learn that for years because of him and his actions).  The Orange overlord has declared an entire branch of scientific inquiry a hoax, meaning he's called many of my colleagues (and more than a few good friends) liars.  In doing so he has upended the scientific method.  You're going to tell me with a straight face that these things don't belong in a science classroom?

Talk about science in the science classroom.  Keep the politics out of it.

Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: Number7 on December 30, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
Steingar, it is remarkable how easily you redefine what is acceptable free speech and what isn't based entirely on your personal opinions. That is exactly what the the left has done for decades by taking all sorts of discussion off the table by declaring those topics non PC, racist, discriminatory, or simply unacceptable and now you are defending your bigotry by declaring those who have opinions and firm opinions that disagree to be bigots and heretics.
Congratulations.
You are exactly what you pretend to hate.
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: Mase on December 30, 2016, 11:10:24 AM


You guys bitch about PC but think its OK so long as it benefits your orange overload.

Not me.

I think you should be free to express your opinions without fear of censure.  But we got to where we are by way of years of right-thinking people being told to shut up, being shut out of the lecture hall and auditorium,  being called all the names in the book, and having to witness the creation of safe spaces, free speech zones, and campus speech codes.

If Hillary had won and some prof had called it terrorism, do you think the administrators would ignore the students' complaints? 
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: Anthony on December 30, 2016, 11:38:05 AM
Not me.

I think you should be free to express your opinions without fear of censure.  But we got to where we are by way of years of right-thinking people being told to shut up, being shut out of the lecture hall and auditorium,  being called all the names in the book, and having to witness the creation of safe spaces, free speech zones, and campus speech codes.

If Hillary had won and some prof had called it terrorism, do you think the administrators would ignore the students' complaints?

You nailed it.  Funny how the left like our friend Steingar here thinks it is OK to censor speech in which they don't agree, which is always conservative (Constitutional) yet when we just disagree with something, it is a major offense.  They need safe spaces, and coloring books.  How pathetic. 
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: lowtimer on December 30, 2016, 12:59:42 PM
 Human Sexuality Professor Olga Perez Sable Cox, terribly immature of me, but I got a laugh out of that. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 30, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
What the heck is a "Human Sexuality Professor" teaching at the college level?

Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: asechrest on December 30, 2016, 04:42:21 PM
What the heck is a "Human Sexuality Professor" teaching at the college level?

https://www.studentscholarships.org/course/99/human_sexuality.php
Title: Re: Prof Calls Election "Terrorism;" Gets Threats
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 30, 2016, 04:53:30 PM
https://www.studentscholarships.org/course/99/human_sexuality.php

people pay money for that course?

good grief.