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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on May 04, 2016, 10:11:36 AM
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When does the attack on Hillary start? And how will it look?
Considering Sanders won Indiana, could Trump be waiting for more certainty that Hillary will get the nod?
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We aren't even 24 hours into Trump being the presumptive nominee. It'll happen. I'm sure his campaign had to make some changes to the plan after Cruz dropped out; I don't think they were expecting that.
I'm not sure what it will look like, but I'm sure it'll come in many forms. I'd like to see him go after her for the emails and continue the pressure on her for not being trustworthy.
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When does the attack on Hillary start? And how will it look?
Considering Sanders won Indiana, could Trump be waiting for more certainty that Hillary will get the nod?
Why fire off all of your ammo at the beginning of a battle?
Trump uses the strategy of keeping your opponent off center and off message, and always on the defensive. And he doesn't operate in a conventional manner, which is scary to a lot of political types. Totally unpredictable, it has worked well.
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Trump's first order of battle is to reach out to and begin to work with the former candidates to work on putting the party back together, with a few off the wall shots at Hillary just to keep her off base.
Party unity needs to be the priority, both to improve the campaign as well as to ferret out those in the system who will not support him so they can be 'contained', same as any other candidate would do.
I relish the thought of the media battle to come, but it is second order to building a strong coalition of support within the Republican party and beginning outreach to independents, former Reagan Democrats, and even into the Democrat base where possible - co-opting the presumed strength of the opposition (like doing better with Evangelicals than Cruz did) appears to be a strategery Trump is using, be interesting to see if he can make inroads with presumed 'safe' Demcorat voting blocks - I think he'll strip a substantial portion of the union vote for example.
That's my $0.03 ($0.02 adjusted for inflation) from the cheap seats.
'Gimp
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I suspect that Donald Trump will not savage Hilary Clinton anywhere near as badly as he did the other Republicans.
And I suspect that was always the plan.
After all it worked so well for McCain and Romney against Obama. Why change it when it is successful???
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I suspect that Donald Trump will not savage Hilary Clinton anywhere near as badly as he did the other Republicans.
And I suspect that was always the plan.
After all it worked so well for McCain and Romney against Obama. Why change it when it is successful???
I saw that, that was sarcasm. I think Trump will take it to Hillary hard. I just hope he isn't using Romney's advisers because those guys sucked.
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I saw that, that was sarcasm. I think Trump will take it to Hillary hard. I just hope he isn't using Romney's advisers because those guys sucked.
I don't think it's sarcasm. Do you think he's going to hit his wedding guest, personal friend and high $$$,$$$ donee to personal attacks the likes of which he used against Ted Cruz, Heidi Cruz, Rafael Cruz, Carly Fiorina, et. al.?
Not on your life.
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I don't think it's sarcasm. Do you think he's going to hit his wedding guest, personal friend and high $$$,$$$ donee to personal attacks the likes of which he used against Ted Cruz, Heidi Cruz, Rafael Cruz, Carly Fiorina, et. al.?
Not on your life.
I think we will find out, and I think he will hit hard. It will be interesting to see if he can stave off the PC police.
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Well, that did it. You have convinced me. Vote for Hillary.
not.
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I truly fear we will be here a year from now saying "What the fuck did we just do?"
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Another board I am on, someone said they were not so afraid of Hillary, why should they be? Here is what I posted there:
Hillary will continue to populate the IRS with political people bent on subverting the law and discriminating against conservatives.
Hillary will continue to populate the DOJ with far left radical lawyers and others who have defended Gitmo jihadis and ignored transgressions and voter fraud and intimidation against conservatives.
Hillary will continue to populate the EPA with radicals bent upon destroying the idea of personal property, bent on destroying the coal industry and eventually all the sources of carbon fuels.
Hillary will continue to populate the HHS with people who want to take choice away from patients and stick us with more and more Obamacare.
Hillary will appoint judges to all federal courts including the supreme court, who will nullify the 1st and 2nd amendments, and probably more.
Hillary will continue to attack neighborhoods such as Westchester County NY to force them to build cheap housing for poor people.
Hillary will continue to decimate our military and make them a paper tiger, while simultaneously importing large numbers of unvetted jihadis from islamic countries. Hillary will continue the attack currently underway on our local police.
All this is going on RIGHT NOW. Hillary will just keep it going.
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Another board I am on, someone said they were not so afraid of Hillary, why should they be? Here is what I posted there:
Hillary will continue to populate the IRS with political people bent on subverting the law and discriminating against conservatives.
Hillary will continue to populate the DOJ with far left radical lawyers and others who have defended Gitmo jihadis and ignored transgressions and voter fraud and intimidation against conservatives.
Hillary will continue to populate the EPA with radicals bent upon destroying the idea of personal property, bent on destroying the coal industry and eventually all the sources of carbon fuels.
Hillary will continue to populate the HHS with people who want to take choice away from patients and stick us with more and more Obamacare.
Hillary will appoint judges to all federal courts including the supreme court, who will nullify the 1st and 2nd amendments, and probably more.
Hillary will continue to attack neighborhoods such as Westchester County NY to force them to build cheap housing for poor people.
Hillary will continue to decimate our military and make them a paper tiger, while simultaneously importing large numbers of unvetted jihadis from islamic countries. Hillary will continue the attack currently underway on our local police.
All this is going on RIGHT NOW. Hillary will just keep it going.
Well it's clear that Trump would back the DOE by forcing this school district to allow a biological male to shower and change in the girls locker room with teenage girls as young as 14.
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/27328/
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Hillary's first anti-Trump ad is out. Making fun of the disabled reporter is particularly interesting.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/politics/video-hillary-clinton-wasted-no-time-moving-into-general-election-mode-tweets-new-anti-trump-ad
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Hillary's first anti-Trump ad is out. Making fun of the disabled reporter is particularly interesting.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/politics/video-hillary-clinton-wasted-no-time-moving-into-general-election-mode-tweets-new-anti-trump-ad
Low hanging fruit, and will fail to get a result. Didn't work for the neverTrump crowd and won't work now.
Hillary can't hit at Trump on the real issues such as the economy, terrorism and national defense because of her and Obama's failures are too numerous. If she hits at Trump on his personal life, he has so much material to use against her and Bill it will explode in her face.
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With Trump as the presumptive nominee, I saw a handy chart of the remaining candidates and how to choose who to vote for:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chs1S8QWsAEHdbt.jpg:large)
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Low hanging fruit, and will fail to get a result. Didn't work for the neverTrump crowd and won't work now.
Hillary can't hit at Trump on the real issues such as the economy, terrorism and national defense because of her and Obama's failures are too numerous. If she hits at Trump on his personal life, he has so much material to use against her and Bill it will explode in her face.
Overconfidence. Good luck with that.
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You forgot the Trudeau option Jeff. Oh yeah, you've got Hillary, and Sanders in there. Pierre with different names.
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You forgot the Trudeau option Jeff. Oh yeah, you've got Hillary, and Sanders in there. Pierre with different names.
Not my chart, but I might reconsider my NeverTrump stance if Trudeau were the only other option.
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Overconfidence. Good luck with that.
Sour grapes on your behalf, good luck with that.
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Sour grapes on your behalf, good luck with that.
I don't have a dog in the fight any more. You do. If you think Hillary's oppo research doesn't have a warehouse full of ammo against Trump, you are mistaken.
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Overconfidence. Good luck with that.
I'll second this although I doubt that will be an issue in this campaign. The key to defeating Hillary is to do what Obama did and while I cringe with the comparison, there are 'some' valid similarities with Trump's campaign to-date.
I truly do want to see an epic MTV Celebrity DeathMatch style knock-down dragout streetfight because my money is on Trump, hands-down, based on the results in the primaries - but that speaks to a more primal/lower part of myself that is so tired of our side putting up tired, stayed and ultimately non-combative pussies.
What would truly blow everyones' collective minds would be for Trump to beat Hillary on substance which I believe to be utterly possible, especially given how popular the man is amongst Joe and Jill Six-Pack - he is seen, accurately I believe, as an accessible billionaire. He can speak more directly to the people than anyone our side has put up in a while (certainly the last couple candidates) and that is a key element in being able to overcome the media bias and get the message to the masses.
Still, his first order of business, IMO, should be to reach out to the Stan's of the nation and work to convince them that he is not the soundbite caricature or too-clever-by-twice manchurian candidate they fear, that he has principles they can understand and that though not an ideologically pure conservative his body of work for the past 30+ years demonstrates largely a pragmatic conservative philosophy with certain liberal social beliefs that would not be a threat with a notionally more conservative Congress to keep them in check. He needs all hands on deck as I have said to be able to beat the margin of fraud that Hillary will enjoy.
He is seeking the office of President, not El Presidente, not Premier, not Dictator, not El Guapo - our system is designed to prevent the very excesses some seem overly worried about, and while the Republican pussies in Congress have failed to act out against Executive overreach with Obama I have no doubt they would do so if a President Trump were to veer too far off the reservation from a conservative principles standpoint - can't be accused of being racist when the guy is white.
I think we are all going to be surprised by how this whole thing turns out, and even if he does lose, his success in getting to this point has, hopefully, dealt a significant if not mortal blow to the moronic management of the Establishment and we will see more non-traditional candidates come up through the primary system to give us a better farm-team first and eventually better choices up and down ticket in the future. At least that is my hope.
'Gimp
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I don't have a dog in the fight any more. You do. If you think Hillary's oppo research doesn't have a warehouse full of ammo against Trump, you are mistaken.
As stated from day 1, I will vote for the Republican nominee, whoever that will be. And I stand by it.
You will obviously sit this one out, or with any luck George Will and his buddies will produce a third party guy to run to split the vote, and get Hillary elected. After all, Will has already laid out why Trump needs to be defeated and that the Republicans can hold out for 4 more years. It's all about Party purity ya know.
Hillary is not a good candidate, she has enough baggage to fill a couple of box cars. Her husband is a liability now and not an asset as once was believed. And the democrats are showing fatigue with the Clinton brand.
I believe what Rush Limbaugh said yesterday is absolutely correct.
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I don't have a dog in the fight any more. You do. If you think Hillary's oppo research doesn't have a warehouse full of ammo against Trump, you are mistaken.
Trump's new finance chair is a George Soros guy who donates 2x as much to Democrats as Republicans! Unexpectedly.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti/new-trump-finance-chair-has-given-twice-as-much-to-democrats?utm_term=.qaOLNlQBL#.ib5BkpjLB
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Trump's new finance chair is a George Soros guy who donates 2x as much to Democrats as Republicans! Unexpectedly.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti/new-trump-finance-chair-has-given-twice-as-much-to-democrats?utm_term=.qaOLNlQBL#.ib5BkpjLB
This link should work. https://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti/new-trump-finance-chair-has-given-twice-as-much-to-democrats?
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Is Buzzfeed a reliable source? I have a hard time believing this.
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Is Buzzfeed a reliable source? I have a hard time believing this.
They cite the FEC filings as sources.
I have not trouble whatsoever believing this.
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Is Buzzfeed a reliable source? I have a hard time believing this.
Real question is does it actually matter? So long as the person is effective at the job they have been hired to do are their personal politics all that important? Does anyone think that Trump, who has invested so much of his life to win at everything he tries, is going to accept less than the best anyone he selects can provide?
This is, I think, maybe going to be an interesting differentiator for Trump and may even help to protect his campaign from covert interference from the Establishment - if he only focuses on guys he knows can do the job regardless of their personal politics, actually a refreshing concept. Politically, it may help him with independents as well since it shows a confidence in his own beliefs and a focus on results vs ideology - I might be reading too much into it but this does not strike me as a bad thing at least at this point.
'Gimp
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Real question is does it actually matter? So long as the person is effective at the job they have been hired to do are their personal politics all that important? Does anyone think that Trump, who has invested so much of his life to win at everything he tries, is going to accept less than the best anyone he selects can provide?
This is, I think, maybe going to be an interesting differentiator for Trump and may even help to protect his campaign from covert interference from the Establishment - if he only focuses on guys he knows can do the job regardless of their personal politics, actually a refreshing concept. Politically, it may help him with independents as well since it shows a confidence in his own beliefs and a focus on results vs ideology - I might be reading too much into it but this does not strike me as a bad thing at least at this point.
'Gimp
Soros is a big time leftist, currency manipulator. He is going to want a return on his investment. I fear he will have influence over Trump should he get in office. If this is true, he is hedging his bets, as he is also funding Hillary.
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Real question is does it actually matter?
[..snip..]
'Gimp
It would be extraordinarily hypocritical if it doesn't matter.
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It would be extraordinarily hypocritical if it doesn't matter.
??? Not getting your point.
'Gimp
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??? Not getting your point.
'Gimp
Sorry. My point is that I have, over the years, heard folks on the right constantly talk Soros-this and Soros-that. Now a connection is made with Trump, and the response is "meh, no worries". In fairness, I have no idea whether you've previously complained about Soros and his connection to Democrats, so this is just a general comment.
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Soros is a big time leftist, currency manipulator. He is going to want a return on his investment. I fear he will have influence over Trump should he get in office. If this is true, he is hedging his bets, as he is also funding Hillary.
Just to be clear, we are not talking about George Soros. The story was about Steve Mnuchin, a Wall Street hedge fund manager, who worked for George Soros.
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Sorry. My point is that I have, over the years, heard folks on the right constantly talk Soros-this and Soros-that. Now a connection is made with Trump, and the response is "meh, no worries". In fairness, I have no idea whether you've previously complained about Soros and his connection to Democrats, so this is just a general comment.
Ahhh, ok.
First off I believe Soros to be an evil man, actually evil, Hitler-jugend evil.
However, I recognize that in the world of finance it would be hard to achieve a significant level of success such as Mnuchin has, and not eventually work with any of Soros' many 'legitimate' business endeavors. Mnuchin does not appear to have been involved in any of Soros' overt political activities, and was only involved in business activities for a couple years near as I can tell with some quick Google-Fu.
Just my opinion though.
'Gimp
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The real danger in a Trump candidacy is that anytime he wants George Soros' guy can use the banks he has influence over to threaten Trump's holdings and he will fall into line without seeming like it at all. When banks own your projects, you do what they say.
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Just to be clear, we are not talking about George Soros. The story was about Steve Mnuchin, a Wall Street hedge fund manager, who worked for was a partner of George Soros.
There. That's a bit more accurate.
So, we have a candidate that donates most of his money to Democrats and the "establishment", now a finance chair that is the same way, but no, he's really an outsider Republican. Boy, Trumkins will believe anything!
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There. That's a bit more accurate.
So, we have a candidate that donates most of his money to Democrats and the "establishment", now a finance chair that is the same way, but no, he's really an outsider Republican. Boy, Trumkins will believe anything!
i didn't see that. can you provide a citation?
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i didn't see that. can you provide a citation?
This is the current line from those who are unwilling to accept the situation as it now exists.
Based on publicly available data Mnuchin's donations have been about 1/3 to Republican, 2/3 to Democrats.
Supported Kerry in '08 but Romney in '12 for example.
'Gimp
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The real danger in a Trump candidacy is that anytime he wants George Soros' guy can use the banks he has influence over to threaten Trump's holdings and he will fall into line without seeming like it at all. When banks own your projects, you do what they say.
Lucifer will be along in a minute to decry this hiring and tell all of us why this guy's attachment to Goldman Sachs (being a partner there) is a yuuuuge problem for the Trump campaign.
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i didn't see that. can you provide a citation?
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278870-new-trump-finance-chair-has-given-twice-as-much-to-dems
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-s-new-finance-guru-ex-clinton-donor-soros-n568766
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Lucifer will be along in a minute to decry this hiring and tell all of us why this guy's attachment to Goldman Sachs (being a partner there) is a yuuuuge problem for the Trump campaign.
Those grapes are really, really sour huh? ::)
(http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s549/lucifer68/sour-grapes_zpsyonvsqhd.jpg)
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Those grapes are really, really sour huh? ::)
Intellectual consistency not your strong suit, eh?
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Those grapes are really, really sour huh? ::)
(http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s549/lucifer68/crybaby_zpskq8z1zql.jpg)
Just like your pal Trump. The thinnest skin in the world.
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This thread is cracking me up. ;D
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This is going to be the dirtiest, most negative campaign in history.
Hillary has a lot more on record. Trump will counter this kind of crap hugely.
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This is going to be the dirtiest, most negative campaign in history.
Hillary has a lot more on record. Trump will counter this kind of crap hugely.
Most likely yes. It will be horrid. Trump doesn't like to go on record with actual plans for the future, or facts and figures. He's more of a "Look at that face!!!" kind of guy. More of a "She looks like she..." kind of guy. She will attack him with facts and figures (as spun by her spin masters) and he will respond with how ugly she is, or how annoying she is. The Trump fans will roll on the floor laughing, but the rest of the country and world will notice the contrast.
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I think Trump will unearth facts from her Congressional testimony on various scandalous deals, show videos of her contradicting herself, of her defending the indefensible actions of her husband, testimony of the Whitewater prosecutors, and the convicted Whitewater cohorts. Hillary has tons of baggage and the library is rich for a good campaign consultant to mine.
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Most likely yes. It will be horrid. Trump doesn't like to go on record with actual plans for the future, or facts and figures. He's more of a "Look at that face!!!" kind of guy. More of a "She looks like she..." kind of guy. She will attack him with facts and figures (as spun by her spin masters) and he will respond with how ugly she is, or how annoying she is. The Trump fans will roll on the floor laughing, but the rest of the country and world will notice the contrast.
But who will win?
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But who will win?
Don't know. Like I said, at this point I give it 50/50.
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I think Trump will unearth facts from her Congressional testimony on various scandalous deals, show videos of her contradicting herself, of her defending the indefensible actions of her husband, testimony of the Whitewater prosecutors, and the convicted Whitewater cohorts. Hillary has tons of baggage and the library is rich for a good campaign consultant to mine.
This would imply that he had people researching things for him and he actually paid attention to their advice. So far he seems to be winging it off the top of his head.
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She will attack him with facts and figures
Yeah. Right! ::)
(as spun by her spin masters)
Spun to the point where they are no longer recognizable.
Of course, the media will repeat her spin without contradiction.
But Trump won't. And he will be accused of lying when he contradicts her. Just like when he said Hillary said she started the birther movement. And some of you guys were sooooo anxious to make fun of him and believe the anti-Trump media.