Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 04:18:32 PM
Trump:
States won:
- Kentucky (8 )
- Indiana (11)
- West Virginia (5)
- South Carolina (9)
- Oklahoma (7)
- Mississippi (6)
- Alabama (9)
- Missouri (10)
- Tennessee (11)
- North Dakota (3)
- South Dakota (3)
- Wyoming (3)
- Kansas (6)
- Texas (38)
- Arkansas (6)
- Nebraska* (5)
- Louisiana (8 )
- Montana (3)
- Missouri (10)
- Ohio (18)
- North Carlina (15)
- Florida (29)
- Idaho (4)
- Utah (6)
- Wisconsin (10)
- Iowa (6)
- Georgia (16)
- Pennsylvania (20)
Electoral votes: 282
* NE-2 is still up for grabs.
Hillary Clinton:
States won:
- Vermont (3)
- Delaware (3)
- New Jersey (14)
- Illinois (20)
- Massachusetts (11)
- Maryland (10)
- Washington, D.C. (3)
- Rhode Island (4)
- New York (29)
- Connecticut (7)
- New Mexico (5)
- Virginia (13)
- Colorado (9)
- Hawaii (4)
- California (55)
- Oregon (7)
- Washington (12)
- Nevada (6)
- Maine* (3)
Electoral votes: 218
*Maine-1 is still up for grabs.
Post by: Little Joe on November 08, 2016, 04:38:51 PM
The polls close in less than an hour. I figured we could consolidate states being called into one thread. I'll update this post as the results come in.Good idea, and thanks for starting the thread.
But, SOME polls close in an hour. And the initial results will say "with 2% of the vote in, . . .".
It will probably be 10:00 or later at best before we start seeing any meaningful results. And as far as I can tell, the one that really matters is Florida. If trump loses Florida, the night is essentially over (barring a miracle). If Trump wins Florida, then the anxiety continues.
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 04:40:42 PM
Good idea, and thanks for starting the thread.Good catch; I edited the original post.
But, SOME polls close in an hour. And the initial results will say "with 2% of the vote in, . . .".
It will probably be 10:00 or later at best before we start seeing any meaningful results. And as far as I can tell, the one that really matters is Florida. If trump loses Florida, the night is essentially over (barring a miracle). If Trump wins Florida, then the anxiety continues.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 05:25:51 PM
Post by: acrogimp on November 08, 2016, 05:27:25 PM
Fox News coverage sucks.You say that like you are surprised....
'Gimp
Post by: Little Joe on November 08, 2016, 05:27:36 PM
Fox News coverage sucks.Which part?
CNN sucks too.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 05:31:18 PM
You say that like you are surprised....
'Gimp
Not really.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 05:53:24 PM
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 05:53:49 PM
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 05:54:14 PM
Fox just fucked up by flashing a screen of a bunch of states being called for Clinton........and those polls haven't even closed.I didn't see that, any big ones that could affect western states?
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 05:57:05 PM
I didn't see that, any big ones that could affect western states?
It was east coast plus Midwest. They are ignoring it, but they obviously have their minds made up before the results are in.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 05:59:41 PM
Initial reports coming in that two big counties in Florida will go for Hillary and in turn, so will the state. If that's the case, this may in fact be an early night.
The panhandle isn't in yet. And it's primarily red. Right now they are within 3 points in Florida.
Post by: asechrest on November 08, 2016, 06:00:06 PM
Initial reports coming in that two big counties in Florida will go for Hillary and in turn, so will the state. If that's the case, this may in fact be an early night.
Early results show Hillsborough County (home of Tampa and just east of my county) up 10 for Clinton.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 06:03:50 PM
Early results show Hillsborough County (home of Tampa and just east of my county) up 10 for Clinton.
With 75% in for Florida, it's separated by 1%. And the remaining counties are all red (panhandle)
Post by: asechrest on November 08, 2016, 06:15:33 PM
With 75% in for Florida, it's separated by 1%. And the remaining counties are all red (panhandle)
Trump just jumped into the lead in FL.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 06:17:37 PM
Trump just jumped into the lead in FL.
Remaining 3 counties republican. Gonna be close.
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 06:18:36 PM
Trump just jumped into the lead in FL.It's going to be close. It keeps going back and forth depending on which counties are reporting.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
It's going to be close. It keeps going back and forth depending on which counties are reporting.
Last two are republican counties.
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 06:47:11 PM
Post by: acrogimp on November 08, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
I mean OH, PA, NH, NC not called yet, and FL looking like it may go red?
Still not expecting a win but surprised so far.
'Gimp
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 07:26:53 PM
The fact that several battleground states were not immediately called surprises me and would actually seem to be good for Trump.Trump is up by at least 150,000 votes in Florida and approximately 100,000 in North Carolina. Pan handle counties and Broward County in Florida still being counted. Hillary's lead in New Hampshire is shrinking as more counties report in. I still think Ohio will go Trump. Pennsylvania is anybody's guess right now.
I mean OH, PA, NH, NC not called yet, and FL looking like it may go red?
Still not expecting a win but surprised so far.
'Gimp
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 08:03:41 PM
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 08:42:03 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 08:43:26 PM
Post by: acrogimp on November 08, 2016, 08:48:25 PM
This is an interesting night, no other way to say it.
'Gimp
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 08:50:47 PM
So Brit Hume has now got 538, John Stossell's betting amalgamator, the NYT and the Dow futures all pointing to a Trump win, with a tweet from Hillary using the words 'whatever happens tonight'...Here is the tweet you are referring to:
This is an interesting night, no other way to say it.
'Gimp
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/796169187882369024
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 08:53:55 PM
Post by: asechrest on November 08, 2016, 08:55:11 PM
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 08:56:38 PM
Trump may win. 538 has him at 55% chance at the moment, and trending upward.New York Times has Trump at a 91% chance he wins the presidency. There's a lot still to go. Trump still has several states he has to win, including Arizona and Utah. He can lose Nevada but he'll need New Hampshire and/or Michigan to make up for it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 08:58:52 PM
Post by: nddons on November 08, 2016, 08:59:07 PM
Trump has now won Florida, Ohio and North Carolina. If he wins Michigan and keeps Utah, Arizona and Nevada, he wins. In fact he can lose Nevada and still win with Michigan.https://youtu.be/hR1gl2lG2Ak
Post by: asechrest on November 08, 2016, 09:03:13 PM
Quote
NATE SILVER 11:02 PM
People are focusing on Michigan right now, but Wisconsin is just as much of a problem for Clinton. She’s trailing there by a slightly wider margin and more of the vote is counted.
Post by: Somedudeintn on November 08, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
FYI just jumped over here from POA where political discussions are frowned upon...
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 09:07:56 PM
This is pretty crazy! I thought for sure it'd be over by now.Welcome aboard!
FYI just jumped over here from POA where political discussions are frowned upon...
Post by: nddons on November 08, 2016, 09:08:10 PM
This is pretty crazy! I thought for sure it'd be over by now.Welcome!
FYI just jumped over here from POA where political discussions are frowned upon...
Post by: Little Joe on November 08, 2016, 09:08:37 PM
This is pretty crazy! I thought for sure it'd be over by now.Welcome!
FYI just jumped over here from POA where political discussions are frowned upon...
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
It's now an official BLUE state.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:10:30 PM
This is pretty crazy! I thought for sure it'd be over by now.Mari got her tender feelings hurt.
FYI just jumped over here from POA where political discussions are frowned upon...
Post by: asechrest on November 08, 2016, 09:11:19 PM
Post by: acrogimp on November 08, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
I am not believing this, literally not believing it.
'Gimp
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 09:12:04 PM
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 09:13:18 PM
NYT is suggesting 95% Trump wins, and may exceed 300 in the EC.This would require Trump to win Michigan, New Hampshire, ME-2, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Iowa and Wisconsin. It seems like that'd be hard to do but the rules have gone out the window at this point.
I am not believing this, literally not believing it.
'Gimp
Post by: Somedudeintn on November 08, 2016, 09:13:27 PM
Post by: Somedudeintn on November 08, 2016, 09:14:24 PM
NYT is suggesting 95% Trump wins, and may exceed 300 in the EC.
I am not believing this, literally not believing it.
'Gimp
Beat me to it
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 08, 2016, 09:21:41 PM
Honey, HRC sent people to incite violence so she could delude you.
Saw Chris Mathews say that people lied to pollsters to create distrust of the media!
These people are beyond mentally ill.
Post by: Number7 on November 08, 2016, 09:25:52 PM
Trump may win. 538 has him at 55% chance at the moment, and trending upward.
Do you have a link to 538?
I've never looked at it.
Thanks.
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 09:29:44 PM
These people are beyond mentally ill.
Indeed. They are completely out of touch with the mood of the country and are blinded by their biases.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:30:28 PM
Honey, GEORGE SOROS sent people to incite violence so they could delude you.
FTFY
Post by: asechrest on November 08, 2016, 09:30:43 PM
Do you have a link to 538?
I've never looked at it.
Thanks.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/?ex_cid=extra_banner
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 09:30:54 PM
Post by: acrogimp on November 08, 2016, 09:30:59 PM
OMFG!
'Gimp
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 09:31:03 PM
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 09:31:14 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:31:27 PM
Indeed. They are completely out of touch with the mood of the country and are blinded by their biases.
Has Chrissy felt anything tingle for Hildebeast?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 08, 2016, 09:31:51 PM
No, just against THAT woman.
The media is in babbling meltdown. I hate them.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 09:32:01 PM
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 09:32:06 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
Fox gives Wisconsin to Trump. Way to go, Badgers...
Badgers? We need those stinking Badgers!
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 09:32:35 PM
Post by: bflynn on November 08, 2016, 09:32:38 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 09:32:43 PM
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 09:33:02 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:33:05 PM
Not sure why GA hasn't been called yet. Isakson has held his Senate seat by a large margin.
Around 7PM East DJT had a HUGE lead in GA? WTF?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:34:11 PM
Iowa called for Trump
Drudge has Iowa 58/37 for Clinton?
Post by: Number7 on November 08, 2016, 09:34:27 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/?ex_cid=extra_banner
Thanks.
I am in shock out here in the sticks of Florida.
Just shocked.
PLEASE tell me what you think Hilary does tomorrow morning????
Does she go quietly and never be heard from again?
Does she start running for 2020 as soon as it's practicable?
Does she start suing like Al Gore in 2000?
Will anyone much care if she actually loses tonight?
Post by: Number7 on November 08, 2016, 09:35:34 PM
Now they're yammering about "Does what we're seeing tonight reflect pushback against a woman president?"
No, just against THAT woman.
The media is in babbling meltdown. I hate them.
You couldn't be more right. IMO people hate Hilary.
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 09:36:36 PM
Thanks.
I am in shock out here in the sticks of Florida.
Just shocked.
PLEASE tell me what you think Hilary does tomorrow morning????
Does she go quietly and never be heard from again?
Does she start running for 2020 as soon as it's practicable?
Does she start suing like Al Gore in 2000?
Will anyone much care if she actually loses tonight?
Perhaps she will have the grace to congratulate the winner and fade into obscurity, and petition Obama for a January 19th pardon.
Post by: bflynn on November 08, 2016, 09:37:46 PM
Thanks.
I am in shock out here in the sticks of Florida.
Just shocked.
PLEASE tell me what you think Hilary does tomorrow morning????
Does she go quietly and never be heard from again?
Does she start running for 2020 as soon as it's practicable?
Does she start suing like Al Gore in 2000?
Will anyone much care if she actually loses tonight?
She admits that she has a chronic disease and begs to privately retire to deal with it.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:38:55 PM
Thanks.
I am in shock out here in the sticks of Florida.
Just shocked.
PLEASE tell me what you think Hilary does tomorrow morning????
Does she go quietly and never be heard from again?
Does she start running for 2020 as soon as it's practicable?
Does she start suing like Al Gore in 2000?
Will anyone much care if she actually loses tonight?
She won't be able to stand up by 2020.
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 09:39:23 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:39:31 PM
Perhaps she will have the grace to congratulate the winner and fade into obscurity, and petition Obama for a January 19th pardon.No question Obama pardons her.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 09:40:02 PM
Post by: asechrest on November 08, 2016, 09:41:14 PM
Thanks.
I am in shock out here in the sticks of Florida.
Just shocked.
PLEASE tell me what you think Hilary does tomorrow morning????
Does she go quietly and never be heard from again?
Does she start running for 2020 as soon as it's practicable?
Does she start suing like Al Gore in 2000?
Will anyone much care if she actually loses tonight?
I think she concedes and will not run again for President. DNC put up a shit candidate (and screwed over Bernie in the process), and they are paying the price. This is the bright spot for a Liberal like me even in the face of a GOP win. It may send a message: Wake the fuck up, DNC!
PS - And please let me not hear, at least for a long while, you guys blabber about how vote fraud guarantees a Democrat win. ;)
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:42:57 PM
I think she concedes and will not run again for President. DNC put up a shit candidate (and screwed over Bernie in the process), and they are paying the price. This is the bright spot for a Liberal like me even in the face of a GOP win. It may send a message: Wake the fuck up, DNC!
PS - And please let me not hear, at least for a long while, you guys blabber about how vote fraud guarantees a Democrat win. ;)
I hope Trump puts Bernie in some significant post, just to spite that witch.
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 09:45:51 PM
PS - And please let me not hear, at least for a long while, you guys blabber about how vote fraud guarantees a Democrat win. ;)
I see no fat lady and hear no singing, yet.
If Trump indeed wins, in will be in spite of all the fraud, like machines changing votes.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 09:48:53 PM
I see no fat lady and hear no singing, yet.
If Trump indeed wins, in will be in spite of all the fraud, like machines changing votes.
Yeah, the Dems might suddenly "find" some votes in a key state.
Post by: asechrest on November 08, 2016, 09:49:42 PM
I see no fat lady and hear no singing, yet.
If Trump indeed wins, in will be in spite of all the fraud, like machines changing votes.
No it won't. If Trump wins, it will be because he won, and as usual, vote fraud will be insignificant and not a factor.
Post by: bflynn on November 08, 2016, 09:52:50 PM
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 09:54:28 PM
Very likely Trump - Maine 1, Alaska and Arizona, all predicted Trump and all trending that way strongly. These 4 put him at 270.I don't think they've called Nebraska-2 yet, either.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 10:00:08 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 08, 2016, 10:06:59 PM
Post by: Little Joe on November 08, 2016, 10:08:16 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
Unbelievable.
Balls of Steel
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 10:14:16 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 10:32:14 PM
Has Trump by some 40k in PA
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 10:34:15 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
Post by: nddons on November 08, 2016, 10:36:19 PM
GA called for Trump, he's at 254 now.Michigan seals the deal.
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 10:41:25 PM
Post by: nddons on November 08, 2016, 10:49:36 PM
Unbelievable.The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 10:52:26 PM
Michigan seals the deal.
He's still up in PA, 20 electoral votes.
Tomorrow we start hearing the calls to do away with the electoral college.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 10:53:55 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 10:56:32 PM
He's still up in PA, 20 electoral votes.
Tomorrow we start hearing the calls to do away with the electoral college.
I think he's still way ahead in popular vote.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 11:02:34 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 11:03:42 PM
I think he's still way ahead in popular vote.
I don't think the numbers are in from the left coast.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 11:07:58 PM
I don't think the numbers are in from the left coast.
I have a bad feeling about this.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 11:10:19 PM
I have a bad feeling about this.
In what way?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 11:16:02 PM
In what way?
Several states are refusing to call for Trump. Some pundits on the TV are saying they're "looking for Democrat votes". I think they are going to try and steal the election.
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 11:18:10 PM
Several states are refusing to call for Trump. Some pundits on the TV are saying they're "looking for Democrat votes". I think they are going to try and steal the election.
They always do.
Look for some ballots to mysteriously appear in some poll worker's trunk.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 11:22:10 PM
Several states are refusing to call for Trump. Some pundits on the TV are saying they're "looking for Democrat votes". I think they are going to try and steal the election.
It would have to happen in MI and PA as he's leading in both.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 11:25:06 PM
It would have to happen in MI and PA as he's leading in both.
Kenney and his boys are no doubt scribbling a slew of "absentee" ballots to be "discovered" as we speak.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 11:25:35 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 11:26:17 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 08, 2016, 11:34:30 PM
What, did everyone else hit the sack?
Just 10:30 for us west-coasters. Not a lot to say, I suppose. If Trump does win, I sure hope he is kept on a leash by the Senate and House. Looks like a high probability at the moment that both chambers stay Republican. But then, those are the predictions of the pollsters who seem to have predicted wrong so far.
Post by: LevelWing on November 08, 2016, 11:38:49 PM
We have a new president-elect: Donald J. Trump.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 11:41:11 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 11:44:04 PM
Google shows PA for Trump but shows WI undecided yet and has Trump at 264. With the 10 for WI it's 274
Who actually "calls" each state's official position? News orgs, I don't believe.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 11:44:35 PM
Post by: Mase on November 08, 2016, 11:46:52 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 11:50:36 PM
Fox called WI for Trump hours ago but CBS is showing too close to call.
Yeah, not understanding that, it doesn't really appear to be close in WI. FOX called it for Trump awhile ago also. FOX has not called PA yet. The PA website shows 98.77% in and she hasn't been closing.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2016, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2016, 11:55:34 PM
Post by: acrogimp on November 08, 2016, 11:58:21 PM
Podesta is headed to the Hillary headquarters but not Hillary.Yeah, what's up with that?
Assuming the PA call it is done since he will likely close out at over 300 in the EC, classless to not concede since it's all over but the crying.
'Gimp
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 11:59:09 PM
This might drag out like 2000. Lots of time to find some "lost" ballots. Dems are not gracious losers.
And yet it was the dems who were "appalled" that Trump said he would wait till election night to decide if he would concede.
I don't put it past Hillary to demand recounts. Dammit! She derserves this!
Post by: LevelWing on November 09, 2016, 12:01:26 AM
Yeah, what's up with that?Irony at its best. I'm curious to see what Podesta will say but at this point it really doesn't matter.
Assuming the PA call it is done since he will likely close out at over 300 in the EC, classless to not concede since it's all over but the crying.
'Gimp
Edit: Fox News is reporting that Clinton will not be going to the Javits Center tonight.
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2016, 12:04:09 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 09, 2016, 12:05:36 AM
Yeah, what's up with that?
Assuming the PA call it is done since he will likely close out at over 300 in the EC, classless to not concede since it's all over but the crying.
'Gimp
Slimy Podesta's going to be up all night scouring the cemeteries for voters.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 09, 2016, 12:06:24 AM
Irony at its best. I'm curious to see what Podesta will say but at this point it really doesn't matter.Good thing she cancelled the fireworks. Her income stream is about to drop.
Edit: Fox News is reporting that Clinton will not be going to the Javits Center tonight.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 09, 2016, 12:07:23 AM
And yet it was the dems who were "appalled" that Trump said he would wait till election night to decide if he would concede.
I don't put it past Hillary to demand recounts. Dammit! She derserves this!
Hypocritical fuckers!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 09, 2016, 12:09:00 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 09, 2016, 12:14:48 AM
Post by: LevelWing on November 09, 2016, 12:36:20 AM
Post by: LevelWing on November 09, 2016, 12:42:33 AM
Post by: nddons on November 09, 2016, 12:43:26 AM
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2016, 12:45:08 AM
Post by: InTheSoup on November 09, 2016, 01:06:43 AM
Post by: Number7 on November 09, 2016, 01:19:14 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 09, 2016, 01:30:21 AM
Post by: Anthony on November 09, 2016, 02:09:42 AM
Post by: Little Joe on November 09, 2016, 04:50:21 AM
Now,maybe the Justice Department and the FBI will be able to do their damn jobs. Not to mention, the IRS, the State Dept and the rest.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 09, 2016, 05:42:12 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on November 09, 2016, 05:52:34 AM
Post by: Little Joe on November 09, 2016, 06:34:23 AM
Hopefully the last we've heard of the Clintons, time for them to shuffle off to the old folks home and wither away.No. I want to hear more about them. I want to hear that they get convicted on a dozen different counts of fraud. I want to hear about them getting hit with endangering and disclosing national security data. I want to hear her screech "right wing conspiracy" one more time. And I want Chelsea to refund the foundation for the costs of her wedding.
Post by: Mr Pou on November 09, 2016, 07:45:26 AM
No. I want to hear more about them. I want to hear that they get convicted on a dozen different counts of fraud. I want to hear about them getting hit with endangering and disclosing national security data. I want to hear her screech "right wing conspiracy" one more time. And I want Chelsea to refund the foundation for the costs of her wedding.
I'm not holding my breath. Just having them out for good is good enough for me.
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2016, 07:48:10 AM
I'm not holding my breath. Just having them out for good is good enough for me.
They are destroyed politically, and the "foundation" is on life support.
Good bye, good riddance.
Post by: Little Joe on November 09, 2016, 07:48:35 AM
I'm not holding my breath. Just having them out for good is good enough for me.I'd settle for that I guess. Can't be greedy now can we?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 09, 2016, 07:59:35 AM
I'm not holding my breath. Just having them out for good is good enough for me.
I wonder if obama will take a page from President Ford and pardon the clintons.
If not obama, then perhaps President Trump might just do it to get people thinking/moving forward and move beyond any distraction.
Post by: LevelWing on November 09, 2016, 08:13:24 AM
I'd settle for that I guess. Can't be greedy now can we?We are a nation of laws. It not only sets a terrible precedent but it sends the wrong message. It says that if you are among the "elite" in this country you can get away with felonies and it's alright. As I said in another thread, Trump can stay out of it by allowing Congress and a new Attorney General and Justice Department handle it.
Post by: Number7 on November 09, 2016, 08:55:43 AM
Post by: Gary on November 09, 2016, 09:03:41 AM
So... now that all the campaign rhetoric is (hopefully) over it will be interesting to see what the President-elect's actions are. With the Republicans firmly in control, will this turn into a vendetta, or will we truly solve some of the many serious problems we have have?
Post by: Anthony on November 09, 2016, 09:15:57 AM
Congratulations to the President-elect. Certainly not my choice, but so be it. Won it in a squeaker, still haven't seen the final popular vote numbers, but looks like Clinton may have won that part (not that it matters).
So... now that all the campaign rhetoric is (hopefully) over it will be interesting to see what the President-elect's actions are. With the Republicans firmly in control, will this turn into a vendetta, or will we truly solve some of the many serious problems we have have?
I'm just guessing Gary, but I had you pegged as a Gary Johnson supported, but I may be wrong. I think Trump is our only hope to make the rule of law, and the Constitution matter. In addition, our national sovereignty may be maintained when the borders are closed to ILLEGAL aliens, but not legal immigrants.
Post by: LevelWing on November 09, 2016, 10:07:40 AM
So... now that all the campaign rhetoric is (hopefully) over it will be interesting to see what the President-elect's actions are. With the Republicans firmly in control, will this turn into a vendetta, or will we truly solve some of the many serious problems we have have?I agree, however do not mistake trying to correct the mistakes of President Obama as this turning into a vendetta. In his first 100 days he should move to repeal and replace Obamacare. That means putting into place a solid plan that will actually work and drive down premiums, among other things. That does not constitute a vendetta, which is what we'll all hear from the opposition
Post by: nddons on November 09, 2016, 10:19:13 AM
Ding, Dong the WITCH is DEAD! Buh bye Clintons! Hillary, Huma, Bill, Chelsea, the Obamas and Valerie Jarrett.I was sooo hoping Trump would open his speech with ""Hillary, you're fired!"
Post by: Anthony on November 09, 2016, 10:20:33 AM
I was sooo hoping Trump would open his speech with ""Hillary, you're fired!"
Well, that may have been fun, but wouldn't be gracious, nor Presidential. Trump can not be the old Trump anymore in that regard.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 09, 2016, 10:21:45 AM
I wonder if obama will take a page from President Ford and pardon the clintons.
If not obama, then perhaps President Trump might just do it to get people thinking/moving forward and move beyond any distraction.
Totally different circumstances, and Nixon got a raw deal IMO.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 09, 2016, 10:22:53 AM
... Barack Obama ... need to feel like the noose is tightening ....RACIST!!
Post by: nddons on November 09, 2016, 10:23:27 AM
We are a nation of laws. It not only sets a terrible precedent but it sends the wrong message. It says that if you are among the "elite" in this country you can get away with felonies and it's alright. As I said in another thread, Trump can stay out of it by allowing Congress and a new Attorney General and Justice Department handle it.I agree with this. She is still a criminal, who was only denied prosecution because of political expediency, and the false insertion of "intent" into the statutes by Comey.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 09, 2016, 10:25:27 AM
Congratulations to the President-elect. Certainly not my choice, but so be it. Won it in a squeaker, still haven't seen the final popular vote numbers, but looks like Clinton may have won that part (not that it matters).
So... now that all the campaign rhetoric is (hopefully) over it will be interesting to see what the President-elect's actions are. With the Republicans firmly in control, will this turn into a vendetta, or will we truly solve some of the many serious problems we have have?
If it were the other way around, would the Dems be so magnanimous? Like Obama and the supermajority Congress in 2009? LMAO... elections have consequences...
Post by: nddons on November 09, 2016, 10:29:02 AM
Well, that may have been fun, but wouldn't be gracious, nor Presidential. Trump can not be the old Trump anymore in that regard.Party pooper.
Post by: Gary on November 09, 2016, 10:31:31 AM
I agree, however do not mistake trying to correct the mistakes of President Obama as this turning into a vendetta. In his first 100 days he should move to repeal and replace Obamacare. That means putting into place a solid plan that will actually work and drive down premiums, among other things. That does not constitute a vendetta, which is what we'll all hear from the opposition
No, I do not believe I am confusing a vendetta with correcting mistakes (or making improvements). On the issue of health care, I do not believe it is a right (as guaranteed by the Constitution), but do believe it is something that is very important to the success of our society. Health care (not to be confused with health insurance) was getting expensive and complicated well before Obama. There is no way to decrease the costs of health insurance without decreasing the costs of health care. If indeed the President-elect is going to dismantle Obamacare, there does need to be a replacement that decreases actual health care costs. If something out there exists to truly and substantially lower costs and doesn't just shift the costs, that's great, haven't seen it yet.
Post by: Gary on November 09, 2016, 10:37:24 AM
If it were the other way around, would the Dems be so magnanimous? Like Obama and the supermajority Congress in 2009? LMAO... elections have consequences...
Dunno... they didn't win. As far as 2009, it's all about votes, the Dems had them, the Reps didn't. Elections DO have consequences, now that the Reps have the control, we will see how they handle it.
Post by: Number7 on November 09, 2016, 02:41:34 PM
RACIST!!
...and utterly deplorable, apparently.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 09, 2016, 07:00:45 PM
Won it in a squeaker
Final EC total is likely to be 296 - 232, Some squeaker. ;)
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 09, 2016, 08:14:49 PM
Final EC total is likely to be 296 - 232, Some squeaker. ;)
But but but she won the popular vote! Time to get rid of the antique Electoral College we have the internets now! :o
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 09, 2016, 09:21:54 PM
Post by: Mase on November 09, 2016, 09:25:50 PM
We must not do away with the Electoral College. It is a brilliant means of assuring the people a fair voice.
There are good arguments on both sides of this issue. One of my best conservative friends thinks we should do away with it.
However, I think it evens the playing field between states with large cities and less populous states. Also, if the elections were by direct popular vote, and the vote tally was close, a recount would entail recounting ALL votes in EVERY state, not just a state here or there where the tally was close. A real nightmare.
Post by: MarkZ on November 10, 2016, 07:26:42 AM
We must not do away with the Electoral College. It is a brilliant means of assuring the people a fair voice.Agreed.
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Post by: LevelWing on November 10, 2016, 07:56:55 AM
We must not do away with the Electoral College. It is a brilliant means of assuring the people a fair voice.It is and I don't see it going anyway anytime soon. If it went to a straight popular vote then there would be no point in most states even voting. States like California and New York would carry the Democrats to victory every time.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 10, 2016, 08:23:46 AM
It is and I don't see it going anyway anytime soon. If it went to a straight popular vote then there would be no point in most states even voting. States like California and New York would carry the Democrats to victory every time.
Absolutely. As it is now, anyone outside of a major city has virtually no representation.
Post by: Gary on November 10, 2016, 08:44:50 AM
Absolutely. As it is now, anyone outside of a major city has virtually no representation.
Yet Trump won on his strength outside of urban areas.
Post by: Number7 on November 10, 2016, 08:49:25 AM
Yet Trump won on his strength outside of urban areas.
Which is why the liberals snowflakes and their handlers in the media are whining up a storm. It wasn't supposed happen that way and now they want to blow up the system so it can't happen again.
Post by: Anthony on November 10, 2016, 09:33:21 AM
Yet Trump won on his strength outside of urban areas.
But, as you know that is VERY, VERY rare, and maybe a once in a life time happening. It was a HUGE anomaly. :) The populace outside of metro areas just got fed up with the direction the Dems were taking the country.
Post by: nddons on November 10, 2016, 02:46:25 PM
Are you missing Michigan's 10 EV?
Final EC total is likely to be 296 - 232, Some squeaker. ;)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 10, 2016, 07:38:30 PM
Are you missing Michigan's 10 EV?
Actually Michigan has 16 . It is currently 290 -228. If Trump gets Michigan and Clinton gets New Hampshire it will be 306 - 232.