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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on May 16, 2017, 05:40:23 AM
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http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story
That whole "Russian" bullshit the left is still pushing is getting lamer by the minute. This should prove to be real embarrassing.
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I doubt you will hear much about it from CNN, NBC/MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, Washpo, NYT, AP, Reuters, etc. It certainly smells like a huge cover up. They should have made it look like a suicide like Vince Foster.
Wheeler, a former D.C. police homicide detective, is running a parallel investigation into Rich’s murder. He said he believes there is a cover-up and the police department has been told to back down from the investigation.
"The police department nor the FBI have been forthcoming,” said Wheeler. “They haven't been cooperating at all. I believe that the answer to solving his death lies on that computer, which I believe is either at the police department or either at the FBI. I have been told both.”
When we asked Wheeler if his sources have told him there is information that links Rich to Wikileaks, he said, “Absolutely. Yeah. That's confirmed."
Wheeler also told us, "I have a source inside the police department that has looked at me straight in the eye and said, ‘Rod, we were told to stand down on this case and I can’t share any information with you.’ Now, that is highly unusual for a murder investigation, especially from a police department. Again, I don’t think it comes from the chief’s office, but I do believe there is a correlation between the mayor's office and the DNC and that is the information that will come out [Tuesday].
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I doubt you will hear much about it from CNN, NBC/MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, Washpo, NYT, AP, Reuters, etc.
Yep, this is going to get buried fast. Also look for the left and MSM to discredit and smear the private investigator, if not worse.
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The MSM is starting to respond....or let's say "spin"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4509952/DNC-staffer-Seth-Rich-DID-links-Wikileaks.html
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/05/16/fox-news-murdered-dnc-staffer-sent-44053-internal-emails-to-wikileaks/
A federal investigator who reviewed an FBI forensic report -- generated within 96 hours after DNC staffer Seth Rich's murder -- detailing the contents Rich’s computer said he made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time.
“I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, confirming the MacFadyen connection. He said the emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department.
The revelation is consistent with the findings of Rod Wheeler, a former DC homicide detective and Fox News contributor and whose private investigation firm was hired by a third party on behalf of Rich’s family to probe the case. Rich was shot from behind in the wee hours, but was not robbed.
“My investigation up to this point shows there was some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” Wheeler said. “I do believe that the answers to who murdered Seth Rich sits on his computer on a shelf at the DC police or FBI headquarters.”
The federal investigator, who requested anonymity, said 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments between Democratic National Committee leaders, spanning from January 2015 through late May 2016, were transferred from Rich to MacFadyen before May 21.
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Good grief. A botched robbery? You'd think they'd come up with a better story than that.
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This entire charade about intelligence leaking is specifically so the nazi media can ignore the Seth Rich story.
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This entire charade about intelligence leaking is specifically so the nazi media can ignore the Seth Rich story.
The ONLY thing the corrupt, Progressive media cares about is ousting the legitimate President of the United States. As I have said before, this is a COUP. It has not become overtly violent yet, but if the media/Dems do not get their way, and Trump remains, it may get violent. At the minimum they are reducing Trump to reacting to allegation, after allegation, even if they are totally devoid of anything factual. They are successfully derailing his agenda to the detriment of the country.
I guess they don't want a viable healthcare insurance system, a more secure border to help reduce violent crime, nor lower taxes to improve the economy. The media, and Dems are OK with our standard of living, and quality of life continuing to erode because it makes them "FEEL" better to advance their failed, utopian agenda. Welcome to the United Collective Federation, formerly known as the United States. Let that sink in. "United States". A coalition of sovereign states with a very weak, and limited Federal Government to provide a few services as a whole. What the efff happened?
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After WW2, the Communists knew that there would be no winner in a global nuclear war, so they infiltrated the schools and mass media. They are patient.
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Welcome to the United Collective Federation, formerly known as the United States.
Well put.
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Fox News has retracted this story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/05/23/fox-news-retracts-controversial-story-on-seth-richs-death-and-alleged-wikileaks-contact/?utm_term=.e69245c0ced0
Fake news?
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When one considers the Fox News takeover by the Murdoch brothers and their move further left, let's just say this is not surprising.
Also not surprising that if this is proven, it totally sinks the liberal progressive Russian fantasy, as well as shines light into the DNC and how far they will go (Podesta "let's make an example of leakers" comes to mind).
And you have to laugh at the irony here.........Dems are saying the Seth Rich story is just hearsay and no evidence, but yet they keep promoting the "Trump-Russian" conspiracy which is......hearsay and no evidence.
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I'm not on board with this whole conspiracy theory about Seth Rich just yet. I do find some of the circumstances odd, but there's no real proof of anything yet. If that gets released, I'll change my answer. Hannity has really been promoting this story but I think it's been overdone.
There's also no proof of any Trump/Russia collusion either.
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Robbery, shot in the back and his wallet and other personal stuff was left behind. Nothing to see here, move on. ;D
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When one considers the Fox News takeover by the Murdoch brothers and their move further left, let's just say this is not surprising.
Also not surprising that if this is proven, it totally sinks the liberal progressive Russian fantasy, as well as shines light into the DNC and how far they will go (Podesta "let's make an example of leakers" comes to mind).
And you have to laugh at the irony here.........Dems are saying the Seth Rich story is just hearsay and no evidence, but yet they keep promoting the "Trump-Russian" conspiracy which is......hearsay and no evidence.
Cool theory.
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http://www.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/watch-heres-a-montage-of-democrats-15852024/
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I'm not on board with this whole conspiracy theory about Seth Rich just yet. I do find some of the circumstances odd, but there's no real proof of anything yet. If that gets released, I'll change my answer. Hannity has really been promoting this story but I think it's been overdone.
There's also no proof of any Trump/Russia collusion either.
I don't know what to think, but for some reason (overt media bias) the Russia connection gets minute by minute play, with no facts, yet things like Justice Scalia passing away, and this guy, get swept under the rug.
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I don't know what to think, but for some reason (overt media bias) the Russia connection gets minute by minute play, with no facts, yet things like Justice Scalia passing away, and this guy, get swept under the rug.
Yep. You would think if the dems and their mouthpiece (MSM) were truly interested in putting away this story they would simply demand the investigators come forward and provide what they know. Instead they want total silence, which begs the question, why?
But for the next 24 hour news cycle they will continue to promote the "Trump Russia" collusion story as if it were fact.
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David French wrote this article for the National Review regarding the Seth Rich case and it's a good read:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447903/sean-hannity-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory-disgrace
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David French wrote this article for the National Review regarding the Seth Rich case and it's a good read:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447903/sean-hannity-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory-disgrace
Funny, the title could have also been "The Trump Russia Conspiracy Theory Is Shameful Nonsense".
Again, the irony is deafening. The MSM says the Seth Rich story is hearsay lacking any evidence.......But yet the Trump Russia story is........hearsay lacking any evidence. And it gets 24/7 coverage as if it's a real story.
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Funny, the title could have also been "The Trump Russia Conspiracy Theory Is Shameful Nonsense".
Again, the irony is deafening. The MSM says the Seth Rich story is hearsay lacking any evidence.......But yet the Trump Russia story is........hearsay lacking any evidence. And it gets 24/7 coverage as if it's a real story.
There have been plenty of articles written about the lack of evidence in the Trump/Russia issue. These are two separate stories (though Hannity would have you believe the Seth Rich murder will solve the Trump/Russia collusion allegations).
While I agree that there is no evidence to support the Trump/Russia claims, the hype around it and the moves/statements made by the President hasn't helped the story. The story has grown legs because of his tweets, statements and actions, not because there's any "there, there."
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While I agree that there is no evidence to support the Trump/Russia claims, the hype around it and the moves/statements made by the President hasn't helped the story. The story has grown legs because of his tweets, statements and actions, not because there's any "there, there."
Bullshit.
The "story" has grown legs because of a conniving MSM that promotes lies and distortions as "truth" and keeps the narrative going 24/7, even when faced with 6+ months of multiple investigations that have not produced any evidence.
The whole Trump Russia narrative is there to delegitimatize the presidency and to further slow down any implementation of the administration.
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The whole Trump Russia narrative is there to delegitimize the presidency and to further slow down any implementation of the administration.
The Democrat propagandist media (95% of it) is staging a COUP, as I have said before. It is purposeful undermining of the legitimate government of the United States, and they need to be held accountable for it.
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The Democrat propagandist media (95% of it) is staging a COUP, as I have said before. It is purposeful undermining of the legitimate government of the United States, and they need to be held accountable for it.
And they have been successful in promoting this idea "See, it's all Trump's fault" to the nitwits that follow their drivel.
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Itis quite interesting to see the utter hypocrisy of the left on this and virtually Every Other Issue facing America.
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Bullshit.
The "story" has grown legs because of a conniving MSM that promotes lies and distortions as "truth" and keeps the narrative going 24/7, even when faced with 6+ months of multiple investigations that have not produced any evidence.
The whole Trump Russia narrative is there to delegitimatize the presidency and to further slow down any implementation of the administration.
Multiple things can be true. It can be true that the media doesn't like Trump and would like to continue promoting this narrative of Trump/Russia with no evidence. It can also be true that Trump isn't doing himself any favors when he continues to tweet inane things, changes reasoning for why people were fired and then hosts the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in the White House the day after he fires the FBI director. It's also true that if the Comey memo exists and is real, that it's bad for both Trump and Comey.
I agree that there is no evidence for the Trump/Russia allegations. I also happen to think that the special counsel is going to be an investigation in search of a crime.
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Multiple things can be true. It can be true that the media doesn't like Trump and would like to continue promoting this narrative of Trump/Russia with no evidence. It can also be true that Trump isn't doing himself any favors when he continues to tweet inane things, changes reasoning for why people were fired and then hosts the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in the White House the day after he fires the FBI director. It's also true that if the Comey memo exists and is real, that it's bad for both Trump and Comey.
I agree that there is no evidence for the Trump/Russia allegations. I also happen to think that the special counsel is going to be an investigation in search of a crime.
Remember, the media is twisting EVERYTHING to make Trump look bad. It's has become so bad that nothing can be believed coming out of the MSM today.
And on Memos: I can write a "memo" and post date it that says you propositioned me for sex back in April. If I present that "memo" for evidence does it automatically make it true?
And for Comey and his "memo": Under federal law if Comey had knowledge a federal official was trying to interfere with an ongoing investigation then he should have reported it to the DoJ. The law does not say "write a memo and use it at an appropriate time for political expediency".
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Remember, the media is twisting EVERYTHING to make Trump look bad. It's has become so bad that nothing can be believed coming out of the MSM today.
I agree that the media is a huge problem and they are reporting stories, which in some cases are proven to be false shortly after their initial report. But that doesn't excuse Trump's tweets, statements and actions. You can't blame the media for what Trump says or does. He isn't helping himself in this situation and he's only giving the media more fuel. Luckily his first overseas trip is going very well and he's staying off of Twitter.
And on Memos: I can write a "memo" and post date it that says you propositioned me for sex back in April. If I present that "memo" for evidence does it automatically make it true?
No, but if the memo is on Department of Justice letterhead and it's untrue then he falsified a government document. It would also destroy his credibility.
And for Comey and his "memo": Under federal law if Comey had knowledge a federal official was trying to interfere with an ongoing investigation then he should have reported it to the DoJ. The law does not say "write a memo and use it at an appropriate time for political expediency".
That's correct, which is why I said that if the memo is true then it's bad for both Trump and Comey since Comey should have reported it and didn't.
I understand the media is a large part of the problem but they aren't the only problem and they aren't the only ones creating a headache for the Trump administration. Trump is creating most of the headaches on his own and keeps giving the media more material to go after him with.
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Interesting point brought up today on the Patriot Channel (Andrew Wilkow's show):
Where is Seth Rich's computer? Who has it?
That alone will either prove or disprove if he in fact was the WikiLeaks contact.
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Interesting point brought up today on the Patriot Channel (Andrew Wilkow's show):
Where is Seth Rich's computer? Who has it?
That alone will either prove or disprove if he in fact was the WikiLeaks contact.
I'm really like Wilkow and I was listening but stopped when he started with that. I understand his point but I'm just not on board with this theory right now. I'll acknowledge that the computer is an interesting point but since it's an ongoing investigation the police are not likely to comment on it. We don't know if the police have looked at the computer or not.
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Interesting point brought up today on the Patriot Channel (Andrew Wilkow's show):
Where is Seth Rich's computer? Who has it?
That alone will either prove or disprove if he in fact was the WikiLeaks contact.
Maybe it's with Hillary's email server in Chappaqua, NY?
(Most likely it is in Chappaquiddick)
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I'm really like Wilkow and I was listening but stopped when he started with that. I understand his point but I'm just not on board with this theory right now. I'll acknowledge that the computer is an interesting point but since it's an ongoing investigation the police are not likely to comment on it. We don't know if the police have looked at the computer or not.
Has ANYONE said where the computer is, or who has it?
You would think that the liberal progressives would want this to be known to prove their point this had nothing to do with WikiLeaks.
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Has ANYONE said where the computer is, or who has it?
You would think that the liberal progressives would want this to be known to prove their point this had nothing to do with WikiLeaks.
Why does anyone need to say where the computer is or who has it? It's an ongoing investigation so I wouldn't expect the police to say anything about this. It's all just conjecture at this point.
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Why does anyone need to say where the computer is or who has it? It's an ongoing investigation so I wouldn't expect the police to say anything about this. It's all just conjecture at this point.
Funny how when it's a potential liberal problem it's always labeled "hearsay", "conjecture", "conspiracy", "not credible" and our friends in the MSM won't give it the time of day.
But if it involves a conservative, no proof needed and it makes a 24/7 news cycle.
Sorry, I'm not giving the MSM or the liberal progressives a pass on this one. They are trying way to hard to get this to go away.
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Funny how when it's a potential liberal problem it's always labeled "hearsay", "conjecture", "conspiracy", "not credible" and our friends in the MSM won't give it the time of day.
But if it involves a conservative, no proof needed and it makes a 24/7 news cycle.
Sorry, I'm not giving the MSM or the liberal progressives a pass on this one. They are trying way to hard to get this to go away.
Giving the media a pass on what, exactly? There is no evidence that Seth Rich was murdered as part of a conspiracy. The only thing anybody has is conjecture at this point.
Trump made the media firestorm worse than it already was with his tweeting and comments he kept making. Notice how there's been no real bomb shells dropped this week and his tweeting has substantially subsided since he's been gone.
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As is typical whenever things of this nature come close to the liberals involved, the fatcs are obscured, destroyed, deleted, and covered in a thick layer of lies by liberals and the treasonous media. Many liberals simply babble the liberal talking points, such as Where is the proof? Your proof is not enough, no matter what you provide, because liberals have NO intent on accepting a painful truth.
It's like the MMGW scam. No proof is acceptable to reverse the lies they have been ordered to embrace.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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As is typical whenever things of this nature come close to the liberals involved, the fatcs are obscured, destroyed, deleted, and covered in a thick layer of lies by liberals and the treasonous media. Many liberals simply babble the liberal talking points, such as Where is the proof? Your proof is not enough, no matter what you provide, because liberals have NO intent on accepting a painful truth.
It's like the MMGW scam. No proof is acceptable to reverse the lies they have been ordered to embrace.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
It's not a liberal talking point to ask for the proof. I'm still waiting for Lucifer to answer my last post as to what he's not going to give the media a pass on. There's no proof of anything in the Seth Rich murder case that proves any of the conspiracy theories out there. That may be because it's an ongoing investigation and the police actually aren't leaking information, as it should be, or it may be because the conspiracy theories are wrong. We just don't know.
This isn't comparable to man made global warming.
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Actually it is.
The left demands that we stop looking at this murder and when people start asking simple questions about it, such as, 'why was an investigator told to stand down on the investigation?' and 'where is Seth Rich's laptop,' and other easily explained mysteries, libs get all upset and start demanding proof that it either didn't happen, or doesn't rise to the level of deserving serious investigation.
Why ask for proof when the DNC fought against gathering any?
Same thing with the criminal Hilary and her home server.
Same thing with Comey and his criminal behavior relative to the home server.
Same thing with....
The list grows and grow. Are you now going to demand PROOF of all these things... AGAIN?
With regards to the MMGW Scam, every time any asked basic questions about this liberal scam, people of the progressive sickness immediately jumped out and demanded PROOF that MMGW didn't happen. Stupid libs still do, even though the facts bury the stupidity of those believing in the scam.
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I'm still waiting for Lucifer to answer my last post as to what he's not going to give the media a pass on.
When confronted with a liberal scandal or crime, the MSM trots out "Where's the proof?" or "There's no proof" then proceed to obfuscate or outright lie to appease their handlers. HRC was/is a perfect example of this, as is her husband.
When confronted with a republican or conservative scandal, even if it's only rumor or conjecture, the MSM runs a 24/7 news and treats even obscure "evidence" or hearsay as positive proof evidence. Remember Harry Reid proclaiming Romney paid nothing in income tax? No proof whatsoever, and Romney denied the allegation, yet the MSM ran 24/7 coverage of the "Romney Tax Evasion" and hammered it as "fact". There are many other examples as well.
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Actually it is.
The left demands that we stop looking at this murder and when people start asking simple questions about it, such as, 'why was an investigator told to stand down on the investigation?' and 'where is Seth Rich's laptop,' and other easily explained mysteries, libs get all upset and start demanding proof that it either didn't happen, or doesn't rise to the level of deserving serious investigation.
Nobody is demanding that anybody stop looking into the murder. People are asking for conspiracy theories to not be peddled with no evidence to support it. It's not just the left that's asking for the conspiracy theories to stop, either. As noted in the article I posted earlier, David French is a reputable conservative and he thinks it's a conspiracy theory as well. Just because no information has been leaked doesn't mean the investigation isn't happening or that evidence isn't being gathered. It just means we don't know what it is right now, and that's how it should be.
With regards to the MMGW Scam, every time any asked basic questions about this liberal scam, people of the progressive sickness immediately jumped out and demanded PROOF that MMGW didn't happen. Stupid libs still do, even though the facts bury the stupidity of those believing in the scam.
This is completely different. A homicide investigation means that evidence, potential suspects, etc. are kept close hold until police are ready to release it so they don't potentially screw up the case by alerting anybody else who may be involved. With global warming, that's publicly available data. Yes, it's been manipulated but the data is out there. There's enough proof out there that the data has been manipulated and changed to suit political needs to give the man made global warming theory no credibility.
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When confronted with a liberal scandal or crime, the MSM trots out "Where's the proof?" or "There's no proof" then proceed to obfuscate or outright lie to appease their handlers. HRC was/is a perfect example of this, as is her husband.
When confronted with a republican or conservative scandal, even if it's only rumor or conjecture, the MSM runs a 24/7 news and treats even obscure "evidence" or hearsay as positive proof evidence. Remember Harry Reid proclaiming Romney paid nothing in income tax? No proof whatsoever, and Romney denied the allegation, yet the MSM ran 24/7 coverage of the "Romney Tax Evasion" and hammered it as "fact". There are many other examples as well.
I'm not disagreeing that the media runs with stories that are against conservatives more often than liberals. What I'm saying is two things:
1. There is no evidence to back up any of the conspiracy theories. None. The reason for that could be because they just aren't true, or it could be that the police haven't released or leaked any of the evidence that would support it.
2. We all (rightfully) jump on the media when they run with the stories about Trump that contain leaked information. There's an obvious problem inside the Trump administration with leaking information and most of it is self-inflicted by Trump himself (by not firing the Obama holdovers which are still there) and his tweeting, statements and actions. However, when there's no information being released about the Seth Rich murder, some of you are just presuming that it's because it's a cover up and refusing to acknowledge the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the D.C. police don't leak information like the Trump administration does.
If it comes out that the D.C. police covered up a DNC staffer's murder then that will be a huge news story that no media outlet will ignore. But there's going to have to be actual proof of that and right now I'm not seeing anything that shows that.
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2. We all (rightfully) jump on the media when they run with the stories about Trump that contain leaked information. There's an obvious problem inside the Trump administration with leaking information and most of it is self-inflicted by Trump himself (by not firing the Obama holdovers which are still there) and his tweeting, statements and actions.
So Trump is the blame for all of the leaks coming within the WH? ::)
1. There is no evidence to back up any of the conspiracy theories. None. The reason for that could be because they just aren't true, or it could be that the police haven't released or leaked any of the evidence that would support it.
. But there's going to have to be actual proof of that and right now I'm not seeing anything that shows that.
So you are actively involved in the investigation? You are "not seeing anything" means you have inside information? Or are you just relying on the MSM?
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So Trump is the blame for all of the leaks coming within the WH? ::)
No, but he isn't helping any by letting Obama holdovers remain in position. Leaking information is bad for an administration. Leaking classified information is illegal. Those doing the leaking are the ones who are responsible, but Trump and his senior team could help to ensure leaking stops by getting rid of the Obama holdovers.
So you are actively involved in the investigation? You are "not seeing anything" means you have inside information? Or are you just relying on the MSM?
I'm obviously not part of the investigation, I'm reading the same information you are. But that's the point, with the information that is out there, there's no proof to support the conspiracy theories.
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No, but he isn't helping any by letting Obama holdovers remain in position. Leaking information is bad for an administration. Leaking classified information is illegal. Those doing the leaking are the ones who are responsible, but Trump and his senior team could help to ensure leaking stops by getting rid of the Obama holdovers.
So you advocate a mass firing of WH and intel community people? What a fuckin' field day the MSM and liberals would have with that!
Then, of course, you would jump in and assign the blame to Trump.
I'm obviously not part of the investigation, I'm reading the same information you are. But that's the point, with the information that is out there, there's no proof to support the conspiracy theories.
That's simply your opinion and exactly what the MSM is pushing. "Nothing to see here, move along!"
When I'm not running things down here in hell, the other part of my life is investigations. From a professional point of view, there are so many indicators here any investigator in his right mind would push forward. Also, from an investigators position, there sure seems to be a lot of push back to keep this silent.
But hey, what would I know? The MSM have told me to move on, nothing to see here.
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So you advocate a mass firing of WH and intel community people?
I advocate removing people who were loyal to a president who did everything in his power to ensure Trump didn't get elected and refuse to be loyal to the new president. I advocate removing people who hate Trump so much that they would rather risk national security by leaking classified information in an attempt to hurt Trump than have integrity.
Also, there are a lot of positions that have not been replaced/filled by the Trump administration. Fill them. There are a lot of qualified people out there, he just has to hire them.
That's simply your opinion and exactly what the MSM is pushing. "Nothing to see here, move along!"
When I'm not running things down here in hell, the other part of my life is investigations. From a professional point of view, there are so many indicators here any investigator in his right mind would push forward. Also, from an investigators position, there sure seems to be a lot of push back to keep this silent.
But hey, what would I know? The MSM have told me to move on, nothing to see here.
I'm not saying "nothing to see here, move along!" and you won't find where I have. I've said there's no evidence (that we are aware of) that gives credibility to the conspiracy theories. You're making the assumption that just because it isn't being reported in the media on a daily basis that nothing is happening with the investigation or that it has stopped. It's still ongoing.
I'm not even saying don't look into the possibility that Seth Rich was the source behind the Wikileaks information. Look into everything until you find the truth. But don't assume just because you aren't hearing about it in the media that it isn't still being investigated.
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I advocate removing people who were loyal to a president who did everything in his power to ensure Trump didn't get elected and refuse to be loyal to the new president. I advocate removing people who hate Trump so much that they would rather risk national security by leaking classified information in an attempt to hurt Trump than have integrity.
Also, there are a lot of positions that have not been replaced/filled by the Trump administration. Fill them. There are a lot of qualified people out there, he just has to hire them.
So you are demanding a loyalty oath? Wow, the libs and the MSM will go wild over that one! Headline "Trump demands loyalty oath, reminiscent of Nazis!"
How do you handle the lying scumbags who will say "Yes, I support Trump!" but underhandedly leak info?
Can you see how difficult this can become, and the PR nightmare that will ensue? BHO had 8 years to place people and educate them on how to subvert the government. The landmines are placed so that when DJT tries to correct it they will blow up and the MSM will have a field day.
What we are witnessing is a subvert coup of the government. Of course, you will counter with "Nothing to see here" or better yet you will just blame it on Trump. After all, that's what the MSM wants to happen.
I'm not saying "nothing to see here, move along!" and you won't find where I have. I've said there's no evidence (that we are aware of) that gives credibility to the conspiracy theories. You're making the assumption that just because it isn't being reported in the media on a daily basis that nothing is happening with the investigation or that it has stopped. It's still ongoing.
I'm not even saying don't look into the possibility that Seth Rich was the source behind the Wikileaks information. Look into everything until you find the truth. But don't assume just because you aren't hearing about it in the media that it isn't still being investigated.
You're all over the map with this. ::)
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So you are demanding a loyalty oath? Wow, the libs and the MSM will go wild over that one! Headline "Trump demands loyalty oath, reminiscent of Nazis!"
Where did I demand a loyalty oath? I'll wait.
Nobody is demanding a loyalty oath but if you're going to work at the White House, or anywhere for that matter, it's not a bad thing to show loyalty to your employer. If you don't like the employer, or your boss, or you disagree with their views, don't work there. But by actively leaking information, including classified information, you are intentionally trying to damage not just the president, but the country.
How do you handle the lying scumbags who will say "Yes, I support Trump!" but underhandedly leak info?
Fire them. If they leak classified information, they should be investigated and prosecuted where appropriate.
Can you see how difficult this can become, and the PR nightmare that will ensue? BHO had 8 years to place people and educate them on how to subvert the government. The landmines are placed so that when DJT tries to correct it they will blow up and the MSM will have a field day.
On this, we agree. Obama placed people all throughout the government and it's going to be difficult to get rid of them all, but Trump has to try.
What we are witnessing is a subvert coup of the government. Of course, you will counter with "Nothing to see here" or better yet you will just blame it on Trump. After all, that's what the MSM wants to happen.
Saying there is a coup is hyperbole. I'll agree there are people who are actively trying to damage Trump and his administration and I think there are many who would love to see Trump resign or be impeached and removed. But that's hardly a coup.
You're all over the map with this. ::)
No, I'm being consistent. I'm asking for proof and short of that to stop peddling conspiracy theories with no evidence. Let the police conduct their investigation.
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Where is his laptop?
Why is it missing?
Why has the body cam footage of the responding officers erased?
Where are the surveillance tapes that seem to be missing?
Why is the leftist media so intent on babbling about anything and everything to avoid these questions?
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Where is his laptop?
Why is it missing?
Why has the body cam footage of the responding officers erased?
Where are the surveillance tapes that seem to be missing?
Why is the leftist media so intent on babbling about anything and everything to avoid these questions?
Now now......we've already been told there is no evidence and that in fact the police are investigating, so this story should go away.
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Saying there is a coup is hyperbole. I'll agree there are people who are actively trying to damage Trump and his administration and I think there are many who would love to see Trump resign or be impeached and removed. But that's hardly a coup.
I think there is a planned, methodical approach by the Democrats, and the Media to undermine the Trump Administration. I don't think calling it a Coup is hyperbole. I think it is real, call it what you will, but except for the violence, we are seeing all the indications of an attempt to overthrow the legitimate President of the U.S., without any facts, nor a rationale for doing it. When the false accusations don't work, they may resort to violence. That is if trump continues to actually do what he said he would do. If he folds, and we remain business as usual (crony, big government, more taxes, etc) then they will back off.
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I think there is a planned, methodical approach by the Democrats, and the Media to undermine the Trump Administration. I don't think calling it a Coup is hyperbole. I think it is real, call it what you will, but except for the violence, we are seeing all the indications of an attempt to overthrow the legitimate President of the U.S., without any facts, nor a rationale for doing it. When the false accusations don't work, they may resort to violence. That is if trump continues to actually do what he said he would do. If he folds, and we remain business as usual (crony, big government, more taxes, etc) then they will back off.
I disagree. Even if Trump resigned or was impeached and removed, Pence would become the next President, followed by Paul Ryan and so on. Our system of government is well in tact.
I agree that there are people who want to see Trump impeached (for whatever idiotic reason) or severely damaged so as to lose in 2020, but I hardly think that's a coup.
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I disagree. Even if Trump resigned or was impeached and removed, Pence would become the next President, followed by Paul Ryan and so on. Our system of government is well in tact.
I agree that there are people who want to see Trump impeached (for whatever idiotic reason) or severely damaged so as to lose in 2020, but I hardly think that's a coup.
I understand, and that is fine. I will agree that Coups are typically a violent, and forced takeover of power like what happened here in 1963, or what happens in third world countries all the time. However, if Trump is impeached without proper reason, I think that would be a coup, and I also think to keep an Administration reacting to a false narrative is dangerous, and "coup like".
Most conservatives, and libertarians despised Obama's policies, and divisive rhetoric. However, they never tried to de-legitimize him daily, in any meaningful way. The "birther" stuff went nowhere, and the media did not reinforce it like they are doing with all this Russia misinformation/disinformation campaign.
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I disagree. Even if Trump resigned or was impeached and removed, Pence would become the next President, followed by Paul Ryan and so on. Our system of government is well in tact.
I would expect that a new vice president would be selected by Pence and approved very quickly before Ryan rose to the presidency. It's hard to imagine someone worse for the job and more universally despised than Ryan.
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I would expect that a new vice president would be selected by Pence and approved very quickly before Ryan rose to the presidency. It's hard to imagine someone worse for the job and more universally despised than Ryan.
Also, Pence may be more of a status quo type of politician than Trump. Ryan certainly would be. I am not a Ryan fan either.
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I would expect that a new vice president would be selected by Pence and approved very quickly before Ryan rose to the presidency. It's hard to imagine someone worse for the job and more universally despised than Ryan.
I agree, I was just listing the current order of succession.
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I would expect that a new vice president would be selected by Pence and approved very quickly before Ryan rose to the presidency. It's hard to imagine someone worse for the job and more universally despised than Ryan.
On the "R" side, there is Cruz,
and my personal (least) favorite, John McCain.
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On the "R" side, there is Cruz,
and my personal (least) favorite, John McCain.
John McCain is further proof of why we need term limits.
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I think there is a planned, methodical approach by the Democrats, and the Media to undermine the Trump Administration.
Isn't that exactly what the opposition party usually does?
I don't think calling it a Coup is hyperbole.
LOL! Call it "truthful hyperbole" ;D
https://medium.com/autonomous/what-donald-trump-s-the-art-of-the-deal-reveals-about-his-surprising-sustained-success-in-the-25a144678b15
I think it is real, call it what you will, but except for the violence, we are seeing all the indications of an attempt to overthrow the legitimate President of the U.S., without any facts, nor a rationale for doing it. When the false accusations don't work, they may resort to violence. That is if trump continues to actually do what he said he would do. If he folds, and we remain business as usual (crony, big government, more taxes, etc) then they will back off.
Hmmm.... we will have to disagree .
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John McCain is further proof of why we need term limits.
And crooked Maxine Waters and looney Nancy Pelosi.
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Isn't that exactly what the opposition party usually does?
There is party opposition for sure, but only one party has the support of most of the media to create public outcry, and public sediment. That's the difference. What we are seeing with Trump is way over the line, and is more than just normal party opposition.