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Title: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on May 28, 2018, 01:32:11 PM
 I have a question for our liberal friends here.

 With the mid terms a few months away, what is the message the democrat candidates are trying to convey to voters?

 Seriously, I am interested to hear what message would motivate the folks in the middle to go to the polls and elect a democrat over their conservative counterparts.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: bflynn on May 28, 2018, 02:07:17 PM
"Elect us so we can be in power".  They are still figuring it out.

The tide has turned against them.  They might barely take the Senate, but there's no chance of them taking the House.

Still early.

Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on May 28, 2018, 02:17:31 PM
  They might barely take the Senate, but there's no chance of them taking the House.

 With 5 currently held democrat senate seats in Florida, Indiana, Missouri, ND and WV in play I can hardly see the democrats taking the senate.   Tennessee maybe in play from R to D in Corker's seat because a very popular Dem Gov is running for it.   Nevada is another possible R to D seat.  Arizona is losing the flake (R) and eventually McCain's seat.  If McCain holds on a bit longer the Gov (R) can appoint a replacement to fill out McCain's term.

 So I don't see the senate flipping, but perhaps picking up a couple or three R seats.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: bflynn on May 28, 2018, 03:00:29 PM
So you're agreeing there's a possibility.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on May 28, 2018, 03:06:22 PM
So you're agreeing there's a possibility.

 With the current numbers, it looks like the R's are picking up 2, possible 3 additional senate seats, so no chance the R's will lose the senate.

 As far as congress, again using the current numbers, the R's will hold onto that as well.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Little Joe on May 28, 2018, 04:50:46 PM
I have a question for our liberal friends here.

 With the mid terms a few months away, what is the message the democrat candidates are trying to convey to voters?

Russia!
Pussy!
He's too tough on N. Korea (and he's too soft on N. Korea).
The economy is doing great, but that would have happened anyway.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on May 29, 2018, 07:10:53 AM

I'm turned off of politics at the moment, so I haven't kept up well with what the Democrats are telling people. I did have dinner with my mom and brother over the weekend and they had the news on. The message seems to be same as usual - Trump sucks, so elect us.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Steingar on May 29, 2018, 08:02:44 AM
I doubt strongly we'll see any kind of blue wave in the House.  Gerrymandering is truly a powerful force.  We'll see about the Senate.  The real wild card is the economy.  If energy prices go up fast enough the economy will take a down turn, and folks always blame that on the GOP.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on May 29, 2018, 09:51:27 AM
I doubt strongly we'll see any kind of blue wave in the House.  Gerrymandering is truly a powerful force.  We'll see about the Senate.  The real wild card is the economy.  If energy prices go up fast enough the economy will take a down turn, and folks always blame that on the GOP.

 So the message is what?

 Both sides do gerrymandering.  Little has changed since the 2016 election to effect that or the make up of a district with the exception of a few, but then again, no real game changers.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on May 29, 2018, 09:52:36 AM
The message seems to be same as usual - Trump sucks, so elect us.

 Has that strategy ever worked for an election?
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Little Joe on May 29, 2018, 11:09:37 AM
Has that strategy ever worked for an election?
I don't think Asechrest was defending that statement.  I think he was using that as justification for being turned off on politics.

I think young Asechrest is finally growing up.  ;)
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on May 29, 2018, 11:15:19 AM
I don't think Asechrest was defending that statement.  I think he was using that as justification for being turned off on politics.

I think young Asechrest is finally growing up.  ;)

 I wasn't implying his statement was a defense, I was merely questioning if anyone thought the current strategy(?) has actually ever worked.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Steingar on May 29, 2018, 11:25:11 AM
So the message is what?

 Both sides do gerrymandering.  Little has changed since the 2016 election to effect that or the make up of a district with the exception of a few, but then again, no real game changers.
I never said it was otherwise, though the GOP made an impressive science of it not long ago.  I do hope as a society we can move past it, since it suppresses democracy.  That, and we are one of only a very few nations that allow political parties to apportion voting districts.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Little Joe on May 29, 2018, 11:35:18 AM
I would be all for eliminating gerrymandering.   But as long as it is the law, I would be very upset with my party if they didn't take advantage of it.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: LevelWing on May 29, 2018, 12:00:30 PM
I doubt strongly we'll see any kind of blue wave in the House.  Gerrymandering is truly a powerful force.  We'll see about the Senate.  The real wild card is the economy.  If energy prices go up fast enough the economy will take a down turn, and folks always blame that on the GOP.
Energy prices, specifically gas, tend to go up during the summer months due to the increase in people traveling which produces a higher demand. There's obviously plenty of other factors as well but that's a big one.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on May 29, 2018, 12:13:00 PM
I never said it was otherwise, though the GOP made an impressive science of it not long ago.  I do hope as a society we can move past it, since it suppresses democracy.  That, and we are one of only a very few nations that allow political parties to apportion voting districts.

 Care to show some actual data to back up such an assertion?

 Gerrymandering is not exclusive to the republicans.  The democrats have used this as well to their benefit.  The liberal talking point you keep parroting has only come to light as democrats have lost such a high number of legislative seats as well as congressional, they want to redraw the districts in an attempt to get an electoral edge, hence their projection of "the GOP is using gerrymandering to force the democrats to lose elections" nonsense.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Little Joe on May 29, 2018, 12:19:21 PM

 The liberal talking point you keep parroting has only come to light as democrats have lost such a high number of legislative seats as well as congressional, they want to redraw the districts in an attempt to get an electoral edge, hence their projection of "the GOP is using gerrymandering to force the democrats to lose elections" nonsense.
Same thing with the electoral college.  As long as the Dems win, they are fine with it.  But when they lose and need a scapegoat, the EC has to go.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on May 29, 2018, 12:55:45 PM
I don't think Asechrest was defending that statement.  I think he was using that as justification for being turned off on politics.

I think young Asechrest is finally growing up.  ;)

I'm growing something, that's for sure. Old, I think they call it.  ;D

Mainly, my life has gotten real busy, and I don't have the time or patience for the bullshit that is political gamesmanship. I also bought an old boat, so my time is used burning dollar bills over an open flame...I mean working on the boat.

But also the last election really turned me off of the Democratic Party. And I don't feel the Republican Party fits me, either. So I'll let 'em shout across the aisle.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Little Joe on May 29, 2018, 01:00:16 PM
I'm growing something, that's for sure. Old, I think they call it.  ;D

Mainly, my life has gotten real busy, and I don't have the time or patience for the bullshit that is political gamesmanship. I also bought an old boat, so my time is used burning dollar bills over an open flame...I mean working on the boat.

But also the last election really turned me off of the Democratic Party. And I don't feel the Republican Party fits me, either. So I'll let 'em shout across the aisle.
I'm about there too.  But I"m still burning my dollars in the two 40 gallon tanks on the Bo.

There are some positions of the Democratic party that I agree with, I just can't be comfortable with the majority of their ideas.  And the Republican party reminds me of a circular firing squad where everyone is standing on principle to the point nothing gets done.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Rush on May 29, 2018, 03:40:40 PM
I agree with the last two posts. The last election and what many Republicans have done since has turned me completely off the Republican party.  I do agree with Democrats on certain issues but their headlong plunge into economic collectivism is a deal breaker.  I feel most of all that both the Dems and the Reps in DC are completely out of touch with the average American.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 29, 2018, 03:52:15 PM
I'm growing something, that's for sure. Old, I think they call it.  ;D

Mainly, my life has gotten real busy, and I don't have the time or patience for the bullshit that is political gamesmanship. I also bought an old boat, so my time is used burning dollar bills over an open flame...I mean working on the boat.

But also the last election really turned me off of the Democratic Party. And I don't feel the Republican Party fits me, either. So I'll let 'em shout across the aisle.
Libertarian Party
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: invflatspin on May 29, 2018, 05:41:27 PM

 I also bought an old boat, so my time is used burning dollar bills over an open flame...I mean working on the boat.


Pichurz?
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: bflynn on May 29, 2018, 06:18:51 PM
But also the last election really turned me off of the Democratic Party. And I don't feel the Republican Party fits me, either. So I'll let 'em shout across the aisle.

Agree with you there.  I am not a member of either party, they both disgust me right now.

But you're still going to show up and vote in Nov, right?
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 29, 2018, 07:52:55 PM
I for one can't wait for the 2016 Presidential Campaign season to come to a close!
 :P
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on May 29, 2018, 10:08:55 PM
Pichurz?

Now you've done it. I love blabbing about my projects.

See below. It's a 2002 Key West 1720 Dual Console. You might remember my old 900ZXI, but this is my first real boat. Purchased from Craigslist. (Sold the jetski for $1500; purchased it for $500, but had quite a bit more into it after replacing the e-box and exhaust.)

This boat has a 90 HP Evinrude Ficht RAM on the back. The Ficht name is notorious, so it was a bit of a gamble, but the lower HP models did not have the egregious problems that the higher HP models did. Or so I read. Engine has just over 300 hours on the meter. It sure ain't like the 2 strokes I'm used to. Where's my sweet smell of burning 2 stroke oil?

Garmin Chirp depthfinder/chartploter. Stereo. Bimini top.

What I've done so far -


I've got a bit of water entering the bilge from somewhere. Still working on diagnosing that. Possible intrusion points are the bow eye or the livewell through-hull fittings. It's not much, but it is getting in. After a day of boating it's not enough for the bilge pump to even pick up.

My bendix is also kicking out when cranking, leaving the starter motor to just whine until you stop and turn the key again. Always starts on the third key turn or less. Might be a battery CCA issue? Not sure yet. I have heard these motors need a lot of juice.

I quite like the dual console setup. It's not perfect for fishing, but for a family of four it sure makes the best use of the available space on a 17 footer.

I'm having fun so far.

(https://pictshare.net/utqdz8sehh.jpg)
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: invflatspin on May 30, 2018, 08:53:53 AM
If you're taking family, and going offshore, get two things. An inflatable life raft. They get in the way, and are a hassle but you want it with you. A good, new, marine band radio with an extra set of batts, and a new antenna. Test it for both receive and xmit. If you can't get the engine to crank, and the wind/tide is going out - you can be in a world of hurt in less than an hour.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 30, 2018, 09:18:08 AM
A proper boat has a mast and sail.
 ;D

(Or paddle wheels.)
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on May 30, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
If you're taking family, and going offshore, get two things. An inflatable life raft. They get in the way, and are a hassle but you want it with you. A good, new, marine band radio with an extra set of batts, and a new antenna. Test it for both receive and xmit. If you can't get the engine to crank, and the wind/tide is going out - you can be in a world of hurt in less than an hour.

No plans at the moment for offshore, but we do have a trip to the Keys in July and I've got plans to visit some reefs. Max 4 miles from land. But I will be getting a VHF radio. I'm waffling between handheld or perm mount with antenna.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on May 30, 2018, 01:10:49 PM
A proper boat has a mast and sail.
 ;D

(Or paddle wheels.)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BDMR3K/child-rowing-a-paddle-boat-view-from-the-side-close-up-BDMR3K.jpg)
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: invflatspin on May 30, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
No plans at the moment for offshore, but we do have a trip to the Keys in July and I've got plans to visit some reefs. Max 4 miles from land. But I will be getting a VHF radio. I'm waffling between handheld or perm mount with antenna.

A GOOD handheld with an ext antenna mount will xmit about 11-15 miles on boat batt. A cheap handheld with internal antenna will xmit about 3-7 miles. I'm no blue water sailor by far, but just like aviation, don't go cheap on marine equip.

https://www.floridastateparks.org/park-activities/Pennekamp#Boating

You will have a good time. Take a spare prop. No anchoring in the reef, but they have some fixed tie-offs in the park. If you are not a scuba diver, it's kind of anti-climatic. If you want to get certified, don't do it there. The prices are outrageous. You can get cheaper almost anywhere else.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 30, 2018, 04:30:18 PM
No plans at the moment for offshore, but we do have a trip to the Keys in July and I've got plans to visit some reefs. Max 4 miles from land. But I will be getting a VHF radio. I'm waffling between handheld or perm mount with antenna.

Don't forget to include a PLB.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on May 31, 2018, 11:50:09 AM
A GOOD handheld with an ext antenna mount will xmit about 11-15 miles on boat batt. A cheap handheld with internal antenna will xmit about 3-7 miles. I'm no blue water sailor by far, but just like aviation, don't go cheap on marine equip.

https://www.floridastateparks.org/park-activities/Pennekamp#Boating

You will have a good time. Take a spare prop. No anchoring in the reef, but they have some fixed tie-offs in the park. If you are not a scuba diver, it's kind of anti-climatic. If you want to get certified, don't do it there. The prices are outrageous. You can get cheaper almost anywhere else.

So you helped spur a discovery. I have this metal "nipple" on the starboard side, exterior, just below the console window. It has a black rubber grommet, and a center hole which appears to disappear into the hull. I've wondered what that was since purchase. Next to that nipple is four patched holes in a rectangular pattern. Strange!

Welp, I started looking at photos of antenna mounts after you mentioned an ext antenna. And lo and behold, there is the metal nipple, with the antenna cable disappearing through it. And those mounting holes are for the antenna base. I poked a wire into the hole and it appears inside the boat next to the console. Eureka!

So here is what I'm thinking. I'll re-use the mounting stuff for an antenna. I may need an extension base to get the antenna some decent height. Since this is a small dual console boat, the driver side console is cramped. I don't think I have a large enough surface for a regular perm mount. But I did discover there are "black box" versions: https://www.amazon.com/Icom-M400BB-VHF-Marine-Black/dp/B00GHTZLLG

(https://s22.postimg.cc/5ns6vn3xd/IMG_20180513_141546.jpg)
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on May 31, 2018, 12:00:57 PM
And here we are anchored at the sandbar a few weeks ago. Note that I'm anchored 40 miles away from any other boat 'cause I suck at it so far.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/3vz80z57l/IMG_20180401_123725.jpg)
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: invflatspin on May 31, 2018, 01:40:38 PM

Welp, I started looking at photos of antenna mounts after you mentioned an ext antenna. And lo and behold, there is the metal nipple, with the antenna cable disappearing through it. And those mounting holes are for the antenna base. I poked a wire into the hole and it appears inside the boat next to the console. Eureka!

So here is what I'm thinking. I'll re-use the mounting stuff for an antenna. I may need an extension base to get the antenna some decent height. Since this is a small dual console boat, the driver side console is cramped. I don't think I have a large enough surface for a regular perm mount. But I did discover there are "black box" versions: https://www.amazon.com/Icom-M400BB-VHF-Marine-Black/dp/B00GHTZLLG

(https://s22.postimg.cc/5ns6vn3xd/IMG_20180513_141546.jpg)

//** And here we are anchored at the sandbar a few weeks ago. Note that I'm anchored 40 miles away from any other boat 'cause I suck at it so far.**//

That is a very good marine radio choice. my only complaint is that the speaker/mic combo is more or less useless. But - that goes for almost any of the radios. So, plan to get the PA speaker with plastic cone, and connect it to the radio. This radio also does connection via NEMA to an ext GPS receiver and can show location. Make sure you don't key the mic when it's on until you have a good antenna which is impedance matched connected. I wouldn't worry about any kind of extension. Just get a decent full or half wave antenna; https://www.amazon.com/TRAM-1610-HC-5-Ft-Marine-Antenna/dp/B000FCSWVW/ref=sr_1_18?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1527799126&sr=1-18&keywords=VHF+marine+antenna and have the SWR checked by any radio shop. I like antenna mounts that can fold down quick, because I leave it down all the time unless I need to chat with someone, since I hate talking on the radio, I don't use it much.

As for anchoring in, boaters are typically quite helpful if you ask. I've towed people out, set, and pulled up anchors(I have scuba tank and reg with me), fixed outdrive cables and a few other small things while on the sandbar. One thing I've stopped doing is offer up my head. I draw the line at pumping out someone else's crap. Other than that, most boaters are very nice folk. Toss a beer if there's any concern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoN3VM8PNJY
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on May 31, 2018, 02:09:46 PM
That is a very good marine radio choice. my only complaint is that the speaker/mic combo is more or less useless. But - that goes for almost any of the radios. So, plan to get the PA speaker with plastic cone, and connect it to the radio. This radio also does connection via NEMA to an ext GPS receiver and can show location. Make sure you don't key the mic when it's on until you have a good antenna which is impedance matched connected. I wouldn't worry about any kind of extension. Just get a decent full or half wave antenna; https://www.amazon.com/TRAM-1610-HC-5-Ft-Marine-Antenna/dp/B000FCSWVW/ref=sr_1_18?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1527799126&sr=1-18&keywords=VHF+marine+antenna and have the SWR checked by any radio shop. I like antenna mounts that can fold down quick, because I leave it down all the time unless I need to chat with someone, since I hate talking on the radio, I don't use it much.

As for anchoring in, boaters are typically quite helpful if you ask. I've towed people out, set, and pulled up anchors(I have scuba tank and reg with me), fixed outdrive cables and a few other small things while on the sandbar. One thing I've stopped doing is offer up my head. I draw the line at pumping out someone else's crap. Other than that, most boaters are very nice folk. Toss a beer if there's any concern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoN3VM8PNJY

Can't imagine crapping in someone else's head. I rigged a totally professional head for my little boat. A porta-toilet bucket, a couple lengths of pool noodle to cushion the derrière from the rim of said bucket, and a makeshift curtain to shied the view. Perfect!  ;)

I do want to say that of anyone else, you've given me great advice on my watercraft adventures. It's been a few years now since I fixed up that jetski, yeah?  If you're ever in FL, or planning to be so, give me a shout.

Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2018, 03:39:23 PM
With the current numbers, it looks like the R's are picking up 2, possible 3 additional senate seats, so no chance the R's will lose the senate.

 As far as congress, again using the current numbers, the R's will hold onto that as well.

https://townhall.com/columnists/scottrasmussen/2018/05/31/republicans-poised-to-gain-senate-seats-in-2018-n2485793
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 31, 2018, 05:38:55 PM
https://townhall.com/columnists/scottrasmussen/2018/05/31/republicans-poised-to-gain-senate-seats-in-2018-n2485793

Only poll that counts is the one taken in the proverbial voting booth.
Last I checked, polls in the days before the 2016 election indicated that Trump would lose.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: invflatspin on May 31, 2018, 06:22:20 PM
Only poll that counts is the one taken in the proverbial voting booth.
Last I checked, polls in the days before the 2016 election indicated that Trump would lose.

There might be probative value in finding out who ran those polls.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2018, 06:30:14 PM
Only poll that counts is the one taken in the proverbial voting booth.
Last I checked, polls in the days before the 2016 election indicated that Trump would lose.

 Do your homework.

 This is Rassmussen, and his polls are always highly accurate as he does not slant them.  His polling on the congress and senate were very accurate (2016) and the day before the election he had Hillary at only a 2 point lead while other points were still showing much wider leads.

 The other accurate poll is IBD (Investors Business Daily).

 CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/NYT/WashPo/MSNBC/Fox/WSJ and others are agenda driven polls that are basically worthless.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: bflynn on June 01, 2018, 12:42:29 AM
This is Rassmussen, and his polls are always highly accurate as he does not slant them.  His polling on the congress and senate were very accurate (2016) and the day before the election he had Hillary at only a 2 point lead while other points were still showing much wider leads.

Actually Rassmussen's record with polling is not as fantastic as you paint it.  From an accuracy standpoint, they get slightly more than 3/4 of the races right with an average error over 5% (on average their number is 5.3% off the actual value).  That is neither stellar nor abysmal. They are middle of the road when it comes to accuracy.  Their errors tend to be more positive for Republicans than Democrats.

There are many worse polling organization out there and some that are better. For example, ABC got the same percentage of races correct, but with half the error, something that is desirable in polling.  Quinnipac had 86% of the races correct with a smaller error and virtually no lean. 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

You can argue about 538's lean, but they are using raw numbers to generate this report and if you want to disagree, do so based on the data.  Bottom line, Rassmussen is not the be-all end-all of polling organizations.



Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 01, 2018, 04:57:43 AM
One fact I know is everyone thought Hillary was a shoe-in because nobody had their finger on the pulse of the common forgotten working man.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2018, 05:31:43 AM
One fact I know is everyone thought Hillary was a shoe-in because nobody had their finger on the pulse of the common forgotten working man.

Exactly.

 The flyover country was written off and just assumed they would follow the coastal elites.  Hillary even ignored campaigning in much of the flyover country.

 And fortunately the alt left progressives are still ignoring the flyover country.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Number7 on June 01, 2018, 06:35:23 AM
One fact I know is everyone thought Hillary was a shoe-in because nobody had their finger on the pulse of the common forgotten working man.

Another factor in Hillary losing was the number of voters who sat out voting for McCain and Romney, but showed up to vote against Hilary.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: invflatspin on June 01, 2018, 06:53:27 AM
I'll add another reason. I'm betting there were a significant number of liberal-lite people who had Hillary bumper stickers and yard signs, but pulled the handle for Trump in the privacy of the voting booth. Then, when they left the voting booth and went outside, told the poll takers they of course voted for Hillary. I find it rather interesting how many libs bad mouth Hillary - now that she's a nobody. If she had won, they would be cheering on the outside, and furious on the inside.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2018, 10:43:54 AM
The 6pm exit polls on Election Day had Hillary winning, so yes, people weren’t giving straight answers.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on June 01, 2018, 11:53:06 AM
Since exit polls are anonymous, I can't understand folks' lying about their vote. But I guess it's possible. I'd think an oversampling of one side or the other would be more likely.

[edit] - Interesting - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 01, 2018, 01:08:49 PM
I've never been exit polled, but if I ever am, I will definitely say either "None of your business" or the name of a candidate I didn't vote for.  I am somewhat oppositional, as are most people. So I think the polls are affected by that.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on June 01, 2018, 02:13:45 PM
I've never been exit polled, but if I ever am, I will definitely say either "None of your business" or the name of a candidate I didn't vote for.  I am somewhat oppositional, as are most people. So I think the polls are affected by that.

I have also never been exit polled. If I am, I will say either "none of your business", or I'll accept it and not purposely gum up the process. Unless they piss me off. :)
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: invflatspin on June 01, 2018, 04:02:24 PM
Since exit polls are anonymous, I can't understand folks' lying about their vote. But I guess it's possible. I'd think an oversampling of one side or the other would be more likely.

[edit] - Interesting - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

Anonymous except to the person taking the poll. Which may be important to liberals.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: asechrest on June 01, 2018, 06:54:52 PM
Anonymous except to the person taking the poll. Which may be important to liberals.

I've never been exit polled, but my understanding is that it's anonymous. You complete the questionnaire yourself, seal it in an envelope with no identifying markings, don't give your name, and drop it in a box.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Number7 on June 01, 2018, 07:14:57 PM
Exit polls are notoriously wrong and sometimes remarkably right.

1980 comes to mind. The exit polls didn't give Reagan an inch but he slaughtered Carter.

2016 reminded me of 1980 - a lot.

The 1994 mid-term is another night to recall where the polls and the outcome seemed like different planets.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: bflynn on June 03, 2018, 10:43:35 AM
I have never seen an exit poll. It seems to me that at this point the election is done and they should be trying to get it as right as possible rather than trying to push something.

I have gotten a number of polls over the phone and when they are push button polls  I answer everything except the demographics questions accurately.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 03, 2018, 11:36:59 AM
You might remember that the networks released exit poll numbers in the Bush v Gore election before the polls in the panhandle of Florida were closed in a suspected attempt to influence those voters.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 03, 2018, 12:22:51 PM
You might remember that the networks released exit poll numbers in the Bush v Gore election before the polls in the panhandle of Florida were closed in a suspected attempt to influence those voters.

Likewise, exit polls on the eastern time zone affect voting in the following time zones.  If one side can make it appear their candidate has a lock on the election it can potentially turn away voters downstream.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Number7 on June 03, 2018, 12:25:21 PM
Likewise, exit polls on the eastern time zone affect voting in the following time zones.  If one side can make it appear their candidate has a lock on the election it can potentially turn away voters downstream.

That was a the agenda on election night 2000.

Without a Florida libs lose the white house.

And that was why they pushed their fake exit polling mantra, to send voters home believing that their vote would end up being meaningless.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2018, 09:26:05 AM
Back to democrat messaging...........

 Seems the latest "outrage" and "crisis" is just blowing up in their faces.  The "jailing children" and "concentration camps" scam being perpetuated by the progressives and their MSM. 

 "Outrage, Inc" is not doing well for the democrats, but it is helping the republicans immensely.  The dems could have made huge points and crafted a message for the mid terms that would have gave them an edge if they only tried to come up with meaningful legislation on the immigration front.   Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi will have nothing to do with that.

 The big "blue wave" predicted (by MSM, of course) in November will turn into a tiny yellow trickle.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: LevelWing on June 22, 2018, 10:00:42 AM
Back to democrat messaging...........

 Seems the latest "outrage" and "crisis" is just blowing up in their faces.  The "jailing children" and "concentration camps" scam being perpetuated by the progressives and their MSM. 

 "Outrage, Inc" is not doing well for the democrats, but it is helping the republicans immensely.  The dems could have made huge points and crafted a message for the mid terms that would have gave them an edge if they only tried to come up with meaningful legislation on the immigration front.   Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi will have nothing to do with that.

 The big "blue wave" predicted (by MSM, of course) in November will turn into a tiny yellow trickle.
A couple of thoughts on this. First, I really hope that the Republicans bring the Ted Cruz bill up for a vote because it's a clean bill with no strings attached. It'll force the Democrats (in particular Chuck Schumer) to either go along with it or be seen as not actually caring about the children.

Second, there were a lot of predictions on both sides that there was going to be a "blue wave" in the fall and the Republicans were on the defense for quite a while. Somehow the Democrats found a way to screw that up by being outraged over every single possible thing they could find and then exposing their true intentions on a variety of issues. I've said it before, but whatever missteps the Republicans (to include Trump) have made, the Democrats have done the whole, "hold my beer" thing quite well. Republicans have done quite a bit and still have the remainder of the summer to get things done.

I agree with you that the Democrats really don't have a platform or a message. Their platform and message has been to find a way to disrupt Trump's agenda and play victim on everything they can. Most people realize that doesn't work. Even those who may be on the fence are probably viewing it along lines of the Democrats constantly stating there's problems with Republicans and Trump but never putting actual solutions on the table.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Anthony on June 23, 2018, 09:59:48 AM
Polls are notoriously inaccurate.  The only polls that matter are on election day.  The Left especially likes to skew polls with biased questions to get the answers to support their agenda, and falsely make it seem the majority want their misguided Progressive views.  The want their polls to be a self fulfilling prophecy to get the Democrat politicians elected that they want, and their Progressive policies installed. 
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 23, 2018, 08:06:01 PM
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Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 27, 2018, 06:11:14 AM
Just watching and observing over the past few days, it now appears the progressives are ramping up attacks on conservative/republican voters, and the "deplorable's" who support Trump. 

 Just sitting back and watching the alt left progressives push more people to vote republican in the mid terms.  Truly bizarre.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: nddons on June 27, 2018, 07:29:06 AM
Just watching and observing over the past few days, it now appears the progressives are ramping up attacks on conservative/republican voters, and the "deplorable's" who support Trump. 

Just sitting back and watching the alt left progressives push more people to vote republican in the mid terms.  Truly bizarre.
I’ve contended that Hillary’s “Basket of Deplorables” comment was the single most powerful event in 2016 to push Trump to a massive win.

Fortunately, Democrats haven’t lost their touch and continue to insult over half of the country. I hope they keep it up. I truly think there will be a red wave in November thanks to these tactics, the clear unfairness of the MSM with their made-up crisis of the day, and Trump’s continued daily wins.

Add to that that the Left will now be enraged and unleashed after having been spanked by the SCOTUS with the cake case, the flower case, the travel ban case, and just today the union case.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 27, 2018, 08:14:42 AM
The unhinged left is going ballistic.  Now we have a liberal writer suggesting “70’s style bombings” are next.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 27, 2018, 08:20:27 AM
The unhinged left is going ballistic.  Now we have a liberal writer suggesting “70’s style bombings” are next.
I saw that, too. Where is Steingar to tell me it’s all okay?
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 27, 2018, 08:25:16 AM
I saw that, too. Where is Steingar to tell me it’s all okay?

The violence is coming.  It will be instigated by the alt left and the msm will start blaming republican/conservatives and most important, Trump supporters.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: lowtimer on June 27, 2018, 01:37:40 PM
Water, food, and ammo come to mind.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 28, 2018, 09:29:54 AM
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Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 28, 2018, 09:30:30 AM
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Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Anthony on June 28, 2018, 09:41:01 AM
I’ve contended that Hillary’s “Basket of Deplorables” comment was the single most powerful event in 2016 to push Trump to a massive win.

Fortunately, Democrats haven’t lost their touch and continue to insult over half of the country. I hope they keep it up. I truly think there will be a red wave in November thanks to these tactics, the clear unfairness of the MSM with their made-up crisis of the day, and Trump’s continued daily wins.

Add to that that the Left will now be enraged and unleashed after having been spanked by the SCOTUS with the cake case, the flower case, the travel ban case, and just today the union case.

Yep.  The Dems have not learned from their huge mistakes in 2016.  You can't demonize, and insult a large part of the country, and get anywhere politically.  They have now outed themselves to be on the side of violence, violent gangs, and most other anti American causes. 

Now avowed socialists are getting elected in major cities.  I see this as a trend.  Americans, for the most part do not like socialism, communism, and other oppressive government schemes. 
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on June 28, 2018, 10:03:11 AM
Yep.  The Dems have not learned from their huge mistakes in 2016.  You can't demonize, and insult a large part of the country, and get anywhere politically.  They have now outed themselves to be on the side of violence, violent gangs, and most other anti American causes. 

Now avowed socialists are getting elected in major cities.  I see this as a trend.  Americans, for the most part to not like socialism, communism, and other oppressive government schemes.

 Now the call is for "resist everything!" and violence.  And the new strategy for 2018 is to go after the "Trump supporters" head on and demonize them and try to shame them from voting.

 But as I've said before, the DNC has been hijacked by the Alt Left Radical Progressives. Progressive is just another term for communist. 

 Now go back and look at the different communist regimes over the past 100 years or so and start seeing the similarities in the tactics being used today.  It's one in the same.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Number7 on June 28, 2018, 01:21:19 PM
I GUARANTEE you that ANTIFA and Black Lives Matters pukes will be showing up at polling places and attempting to intimidate white voters and in the democrat strongholds the police will be ordered to stand down against it.

It will 2008 only much worse. Those violent, unhinged, racists will think it is open season on white people and act accordingly, then accuse everybody of racism for noticing that they did.
Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on October 23, 2018, 09:05:54 AM
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Title: Re: A question for our liberal friends
Post by: Lucifer on October 23, 2018, 02:48:41 PM
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