PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on February 01, 2018, 06:21:44 AM
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So it seems Shifty Schiff is fighting tooth and nail to prevent the release of the memo. This memo shows how the DoJ and FBI conspired against candidate Trump and then President Trump, as well as totally deflates Mueller's investigation.
My guess is several heads will be on the chopping block including Rosenstein. McCabe has already been forced out and with Rosenstein gone his replacement can fire Mueller. And this will possibly find Comey in serious legal problems for the various laws he broke.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/02/01/schiff-letter-to-nunes-memo-n2442895
"In its increasingly strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo, the Committee Minority is now complaining about minor edits to the memo, including grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves," Langer said. "The vote to release the memo was absolutely procedurally sound, and in accordance with House and Committee rules. To suggest otherwise is a bizarre distraction from the abuses detailed in the memo, which the public will hopefully soon be able to read for themselves."
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"Please don't publish the memo that shows we were trying to fuck you over"- FBI
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/01/31/fbi-to-trump-white-house-please-block-the-release-of-a-memo-that-could-expose-us-n2442476
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"Please don't publish the memo that shows we were trying to fuck you over"- FBI
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/01/31/fbi-to-trump-white-house-please-block-the-release-of-a-memo-that-could-expose-us-n2442476
If someone were to publish a letter describing a bunch of illegal, immoral things I did, I would have "grave concerns" too.
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If someone were to publish a letter describing a bunch of illegal, immoral things I did, I would have "grave concerns" too.
Yep.
These crooks thought none of this would ever see the light of day, I mean, after all, they are the FBI. Who would ever question them? And they (falsely) assumed that the rest of the swamp would protect them.
Trey Gowdy has already stated that Shifty Schiff tried to bury much of this. Trey Gowdy is a man of incredible integrity, Schiff is a political hack of questionable motives.
It's time to let the chips fall. Several heads will roll. Perhaps even Schiff will "retire" abruptly from the congress.
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That is weird. How does he know what memo the White House is reading?
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That is weird. How does he know what memo the White House is reading?
After being presented with the opportunity by Republicans to review the version that was sent to the White House with the one shown to committee members, Schiff said Democrats concluded “it is clear… material changes to the version it sent to the White House, which Committee Members were never apprised of, never had the opportunity to review and never approved."
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After being presented with the opportunity by Republicans to review the version that was sent to the White House with the one shown to committee members, Schiff said Democrats concluded “it is clear… material changes to the version it sent to the White House, which Committee Members were never apprised of, never had the opportunity to review and never approved."
Five minor changes. Two requested by the FBI and even one that was requested by Schiff. The other two were grammatical errors.
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Five minor changes. Two requested by the FBI and even one that was requested by Schiff. The other two were grammatical errors.
Yeah, I wasn't challenging the veracity of it, just indicating how they "knew" what was presented to the White House.
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My understanding of the memo is that the committee viewed an altered version of it and voted to release what they viewed. In my book, that's the error right there! They voted on an unauthenticated (doctored, not original) document. Now, the debate is over releasing another version of the memo, again a document that had been altered.
If presented evidence like that as a jury I'm going to vote to convict whomever altered the document regardless of reason and toss the contents of the document until we have an true and original copy.
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My understanding of the memo is that the committee viewed an altered version of it and voted to release what they viewed. In my book, that's the error right there! They voted on an unauthenticated (doctored, not original) document. Now, the debate is over releasing another version of the memo, again a document that had been altered.
If presented evidence like that as a jury I'm going to vote to convict whomever altered the document regardless of reason and toss the contents of the document until we have an true and original copy.
If you were on the jury you should consider judging the veracity of the person or persons doing the most complaining and bitching.
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My understanding of the memo is that the committee viewed an altered version of it and voted to release what they viewed. In my book, that's the error right there! They voted on an unauthenticated (doctored, not original) document. Now, the debate is over releasing another version of the memo, again a document that had been altered.
If presented evidence like that as a jury I'm going to vote to convict whomever altered the document regardless of reason and toss the contents of the document until we have an true and original copy.
And you obviously haven't been following the story, or at best you're relying on biased sources (MSM) for your information.
The original memo had 5 (five) corrections. Two was at the request of the FBI (minor), one was at the request of Schiff (minor) and the other two were grammatical. In other words, this whole narrative of the memo being mysteriously altered is pure made up bull shit from the very people who have tried to keep this information from the American people.
If the information contained in this memo would be damaging to the Trump administration the MSM and progressives would be screaming for it's release. The reality is this memo will begin to totally unravel the bullshit narrative the progressives have tried to promote and will take down several high ranking officials who have conspired against this country.
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If you were on the jury you should consider judging the veracity of the person or persons doing the most complaining and bitching.
Even the FBI officials who have read the document have commented that it is entirely accurate.
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And you obviously haven't been following the story, or at best you're relying on biased sources (MSM) for your information.
The original memo had 5 (five) corrections. Two was at the request of the FBI (minor), one was at the request of Schiff (minor) and the other two were grammatical. In other words, this whole narrative of the memo being mysteriously altered is pure made up bull shit from the very people who have tried to keep this information from the American people.
If the information contained in this memo would be damaging to the Trump administration the MSM and progressives would be screaming for it's release. The reality is this memo will begin to totally unravel the bullshit narrative the progressives have tried to promote and will take down several high ranking officials who have conspired against this country.
Was the memo used to obtain the warrant in question? Why can't it be reviewed for release unaltered? Ends the entire controversy.
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Was the memo used to obtain the warrant in question? Why can't it be reviewed for release unaltered? Ends the entire controversy.
Thanks for answering my question. You don't even know who wrote the memo or what it's even about.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/01/wsj-columnist-explains-why-this-memo-tampering-tantrum-by-democrats-doesnt-matter-n2443119
Well, this is the Battle of the Bulge for the FBI, Department of Justice, and congressional Democrats over the memo war. This is the last gamble—and it’ll fail. For starters, President Trump said the FISA memo, which alleges abuses akin to that of the KGB regarding government surveillance, is going to be released. FBI Director Christopher Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein made a last ditch effort on Monday, meeting with White House Chief of Staff John Kelly to plead their case. It failed. Wray even read the memo last Sunday, with two senior FBI officials saying it contained no factual inaccuracies. Now, Reps. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Adam Schiff (D-CA) are going haywire over what they describe as last-minute alterations to the memo. Pelosi has demanded Nunes be stripped of his House Intelligence Committee chairmanship.
There’s just one problem: They requested it, so did the FBI. They were grammatical changes—nothing more. For Democrats, it amounted to a two-word change. This isn’t document shredding in the back offices at midnight. This isn’t some surreptitious plot.
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Was the memo used to obtain the warrant in question? Why can't it be reviewed for release unaltered? Ends the entire controversy.
The memo to be released is a summary.
The FBI owns the original document used to solicit the FISA court, not the Congress. The FBI should release it. Nines has no right to release it.
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Andrew McCarthy wrote an excellent pair of articles about this memo and the democrats and FBI’s objections to it. This is the most recent article.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456003/devin-nunes-fisa-memo-positioning-ahead-its-release
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The roaches are scurrying and scattering..........
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/01/comey-rips-weasels-and-liars-invokes-joe-mccarthy-in-twitter-rant.html
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371929-gop-case-fbi-probe-based-on-tainted-evidence-linked-to-clinton
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Thanks for answering my question. You don't even know who wrote the memo or what it's even about.
Okay so I mixed up 2 issues. Ya caught me. Someone give this guy a 🍪
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My understanding of the memo is that the committee viewed an altered version of it and voted to release what they viewed. In my book, that's the error right there! They voted on an unauthenticated (doctored, not original) document. Now, the debate is over releasing another version of the memo, again a document that had been altered.
If presented evidence like that as a jury I'm going to vote to convict whomever altered the document regardless of reason and toss the contents of the document until we have an true and original copy.
That's bullshit, plain and simple. When the swamp joins at teh hip and spews the exact same message as is being babbled by the swamp press, you should be grown up enough to see the conspiracy to defraud. But you don't because you WANT to hate republicans and Trump and anything, no matter how pathetic, will help you justify lying to yourself.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/01/wsj-columnist-explains-why-this-memo-tampering-tantrum-by-democrats-doesnt-matter-n2443119
Please stop trying to trigger people with the truth. It's not the truth that progressives want. It's the lies that keep them in power.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2018/02/02/a-nevertrump-press-in-near-panic-n2443268
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Fox has finally called in an airstrike on their own position. ALL of the media have been the height of hypocrisy regarding this publication conundrum. At least Fox recognizes it. One can imagine the hue and cry for publication if the political roles were reversed.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/02/media-s-longtime-crusade-for-transparency-ends-with-nunes-memo-as-post-remains-in-theaters.html
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Okay- I'm going to lay down my sword on this thread and I hope that everyone else will do likewise. Otherwise it's difficult to make heads/tails of what's going on if we're at each other's throats here. We can fight later on another topic.
This issue is bigger than partisan politics. I see this as a potential threat to the cement that binds the country together, The Constitution, specifically the principle of Separation of Powers.
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Fox has finally called in an airstrike on their own position. ALL of the media have been the height of hypocrisy regarding this publication conundrum. At least Fox recognizes it. One can imagine the hue and cry for publication if the political roles were reversed.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/02/media-s-longtime-crusade-for-transparency-ends-with-nunes-memo-as-post-remains-in-theaters.html
I agree with Pat except for the assertion that the "elite media" was somehow duped into running with the deep state narrative. They are in fact 100% complicit.
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Okay- I'm going to lay down my sword on this thread and I hope that everyone else will do likewise. Otherwise it's difficult to make heads/tails of what's going on if we're at each other's throats here. We can fight later on another topic.
This issue is bigger than partisan politics. I see this as a potential threat to the cement that binds the country together, The Constitution, specifically the principle of Separation of Powers.
I agree completely. If we allow the FBI to run amok and insert themselves into the political spectrum, we are doomed.
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Here it is:
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180129/106822/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf
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Rosenstein needs to resign immediately.
McCabe needs to be fired immediately.
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Two URLs hosting the memo are offline. (congress and scribd)
Someone REALLY doesn't want this to get out.
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Just busy. They are getting flooded with hits. Happens often when something like this comes out.
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Probably being flooded with request. I downloaded the copy.
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Where's General Session's statement? He owns this.
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Where's General Session's statement? He owns this.
More than that, I want to see what that weasel Rosenstein has to say. He needs to submit his resignation immediately. He's up to his neck in this along with McCabe.
I agree, Sessions needs to come out with a strong statement and begin draining the DoJ swamp now.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/02/02/read-the-house-intelligence-commitee-memo-n2443681
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The only way these criminals come to justice is for millions of citizens to DEMAND that the President and Congress take back justice from the liberals who have destroyed any semblance of honesty, integrity and justice in our country.
Hilary, Barack, Comey, Rosenstein, McCabe and Mueller have to go to jail. The entire group involved at the DOJ and FBI HAVE to be indicted.
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I read it from the link in this article
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-memo-criticizing-fbi-surveillance-is-released/ar-BBICfT6?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
After reading it and filtering through the drama I have only one question: Was the Steele Dossier corroborated? Everything else IMO is sideshow.
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I agree completely. If we allow the FBI to run amok and insert themselves into the political spectrum, we are doomed.
The FBI is an agency under the Executive Branch. Meh on the FBI bringing the whole thing down. The system can tolerate some corruption (I can't believe I just said that), albeit none is preferred. Checks and balances are supposed to fix corruption and human error, right? Right???
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I read it from the link in this article
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-memo-criticizing-fbi-surveillance-is-released/ar-BBICfT6?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
After reading it and filtering through the drama I have only one question: Was the Steele Dossier corroborated? Everything else IMO is sideshow.
I have tried to find that out, and I have been unable to find any corroboration, but it's hard to distinguish between fact and opinion in the media these days, so it is hard to tell.
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I read it from the link in this article
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-memo-criticizing-fbi-surveillance-is-released/ar-BBICfT6?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
After reading it and filtering through the drama I have only one question: Was the Steele Dossier corroborated? Everything else IMO is sideshow.
The Steele dossier has mostly been debunked. It was a political hit piece meant to smear Trump paid for by the DNC/Clinton campaign.
In other words it's a work of fiction, and the DoJ/FBI knew it. Yet they used it to obtain a FISA warrant and extensions, which means the warrants were obtained fraudulently.
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Where's General Session's statement? He owns this.
Here ya go: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/2/sessions-wake-explosive-memo-no-department-perfect/
Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday that he will push the Justice Department to clean up any shortcomings identified in the wake of the new House intelligence committee memo, saying “no department is perfect.”
Mr. Sessions, in a statement, did not say whether he agreed with the conclusions in the memo, which argues top FBI and Justice Department officials during the Obama administration, bleeding into the Trump administration, used tainted evidence to justify spying on a Trump campaign figure.
Instead, Mr. Sessions said Congress’s questions are legitimate and must be answered.
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I believe Comey himself said the dossier was unverifiable. One person actually believes it was written by ex KGB types based on the wording of it.
I haven't gotten to read the memo yet, I did listen to a lot of analysis today. The Dems say that the FBI was watching Carter Page as far back as 2013. My question is why wasn't something done back in 2013, why did it all of a sudden become something to address three years later.
I do not believe this implicates the whole department, just a few bad apples at the top that obviously showed a lot of animous against Trump and would, seemingly, do anything to keep him from being elected.
Even if the dossier was not the only thing used to get the FISA warrant the fact that it was included at all knowing the source of it is really bad.
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Now the dims are threatening Trump if he fires Rosenstein it will be "obstruction of justice".
Think about that. Under the Constitution the President presides over the Executive Branch. The DOJ is under the Executive Branch, and the FBI resides in the DOJ.
So now we are being told that a President cannot fire an employee of the DOJ, even if he has cause?
WTF?
Rosenstein has activily colluded and conspired against the President using fraud, yet the dims claim its obstruction of justice to fire him.
This is seriously fucked up and out of control.
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You are right. The left is unhinged.
I would say it is time to prepare charges against a few people. Or direct Mueller to bring this crime into his investigation. After all, we have been told how fair and unbiased he is.
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If Dems are OK with what is alleged in the memo...Are they OK with Republicans doing the same thing in the mid-terms?
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I believe Comey himself said the dossier was unverifiable. One person actually believes it was written by ex KGB types based on the wording of it.
I haven't gotten to read the memo yet, I did listen to a lot of analysis today. The Dems say that the FBI was watching Carter Page as far back as 2013. My question is why wasn't something done back in 2013, why did it all of a sudden become something to address three years later.
I do not believe this implicates the whole department, just a few bad apples at the top that obviously showed a lot of animous against Trump and would, seemingly, do anything to keep him from being elected.
Even if the dossier was not the only thing used to get the FISA warrant the fact that it was included at all knowing the source of it is really bad.
It must suck to be a dedicated employee operating under that kind of management.
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James Comey summed up the Nunes memo the best - “That’s it!??”
We were warned ahead of time that this would either be the greatest scandal since Watergate (per Steve King) or a collection of cherry picked incoherent facts (per Adam Schiff) which will destroy our national security. It is neither. Pretty much political drama.
The Nunes memo neither exonerates nor implicates the President. It is all about surveillance of Carter Page, a person already on the FBI interest list.
It is rather fun to watch the President and his supporters do cartwheels and all kinds of mental gyrations to make this a huge deal and take the stretch that this nullifies the Mueller investigations. The President himself has proclaimed that the Nunes memo:
“This memo totally vindicates “Trump” in probe. But the Russian Witch Hunt goes on and on. Their was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction (the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead). This is an American disgrace!”
The key point of the Nunes memo is that the FBI used the Steele documents without informing the FISA court that they were prepared by a political party and the veracity of the documents was in doubt. Nunes provides no evidence of this other than his opinion, Nunes did not even look at the underlying data, although Trey Gowdy did and had this to say:
“As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.”
Without actually seeing the FISA application and the discussions that went into granting it, it is impossible to tell if this claim of “bias” is true or not or whether the surveillance would have been granted in any case. I have no idea if the rules of a FISA application allows for the use of information that has a political bias or is otherwise un-verified. It does seem that the Steele documents were not the sole basis for granting the FISA surveillance, but even that is unproven. Lacking some hard evidence that the FBI did something illegal or woefully un-ethical, the Nunes memo is short on fact and long on speculation.
One thing the Nunes memo does clarify is that the FBI investigation was not the result of the Steele documents, that investigation was already underway courtesy of George Papadopoulos.
So, let’s see it all, the Democratic response, the FISA application (properly redacted) and the full transcripts of the proceedings.
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I read it and was expecting much more from Nunes. Much more. Game changing stuff.
Instead, it may be the tip of the iceberg, or it may be an ice cube.
I think Trump should fire The AG, nominate Gowdy as AG, and indict that smirk right off of Comey’s face.
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James Comey summed up the Nunes memo the best - “That’s it!??”
James Comey is lower than whale shit when it comes to integrity.
The key point of the Nunes memo is that the FBI used the Steele documents without informing the FISA court that they were prepared by a political party and the veracity of the documents was in doubt. Nunes provides no evidence of this other than his opinion, Nunes did not even look at the underlying data,
So you are saying Nunes and his counterparts on the committee just dreamed up this memo with no backing evidence?
Here's a little fact you (and the dims) are ignoring: This committee has been doing this investigation for over a year and has thousands upon thousands of pages of documents, plus they have the transcripts of the testimonies of the players involved. This memo is a brief synopsis of what has been uncovered with regards to how the DoJ/FBI fraudulently obtained a FISA warrant. That is key here in this memo, we have the Dept of Justice in conjunction with the FBI using a political smear document, paid for by the DNC/Clinton campaign, and this document was dubious at best and not even properly vetted. The DoJ/FBI used this document as a basis to obtain a FISA warrant against a political campaign, and in doing so did not disclose to the FISA court the origins of the Steele dossier. Officials in the DoJ/FBI have testified under oath that had they disclosed to the FISA court the true origin and validity of the Steele dossier the warrant would not have been granted.
Without actually seeing the FISA application and the discussions that went into granting it, it is impossible to tell if this claim of “bias” is true or not or whether the surveillance would have been granted in any case. I have no idea if the rules of a FISA application allows for the use of information that has a political bias or is otherwise un-verified. It does seem that the Steele documents were not the sole basis for granting the FISA surveillance, but even that is unproven. Lacking some hard evidence that the FBI did something illegal or woefully un-ethical, the Nunes memo is short on fact and long on speculation.
Again, all you are doing is regurgitating Liberal talking points and obviously you have not been following the story or as usual you are only getting the MSM version. If Nunes and his committee just dreamed all of this up, like you and the dims are suggesting, then it will be real easy to discredit the memo using facts and documentation. All Schiff has to do is go into those reams of documents and testimony and go point by point, citing the actual documents (he has access) and Nunes and the republicans will be blown out of the water.
But you don't see that, do you? The dims are crying "constitutional crisis" and coming apart at the release of the memo, but yet they won't release the backing documents. Hell, they aren't even leaking the backing documents. All they can do is cry Armageddon and say "liar liar pants on fire!" and of course run to their MSM to back them up.
So, let’s see it all, the Democratic response, the FISA application (properly redacted) and the full transcripts of the proceedings.
Yep, let's see Schiff and company run to release those documents to prove it's "Russia Russia Russia". All Schiff has to do is have the committee vote ( and the republicans won't object) and send it up to the WH to make sure there are no objections (and there won't be).
Let me ask you this: Do you think Schiff has the balls to release those documents?
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I read it and was expecting much more from Nunes. Much more. Game changing stuff.
Instead, it may be the tip of the iceberg, or it may be an ice cube.
I think Trump should fire The AG, nominate Gowdy as AG, and indict that smirk right off of Comey’s face.
The dims have already told Trump if he fires anyone in the DoJ/FBI then it will be "obstruction of justice" (too bad the dims don't know what that term actually means).
The memo is the tip of the iceberg.
I do agree with you, the AG needs to go and a real AG needs to be put in and drain the swamp at the DoJ/FBI.
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James Comey summed up the Nunes memo the best - “That’s it!??”
We were warned ahead of time that this would either be the greatest scandal since Watergate (per Steve King) or a collection of cherry picked incoherent facts (per Adam Schiff) which will destroy our national security. It is neither. Pretty much political drama.
The memo outlines that Democrats used a political hit piece in order to justify initiating 100% surveillance of a campaign aide. that means that him and everyone that he talked to not only were listened to, but also became targets of the surveillance. The FBI and specifically people with extreme bias against Trump and loyalty to the Democrat party used the FBI's power to listen to everything that was happening in the Republican campaign.
If you're ok with that, then you're also ok with Republicans do the same in the midterms?
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Memo or not, here's my take.
If there is no FISA court, there is no mechanism for a general warrant to be issued. The problem is far deeper than the deep state, or a political party behaving as they are wont to do. The problem is that we have been led piece, by piece down a dangerous trail. Starting long before the PATRIOT act, but having that as the fulcrum we have destroyed our limitations on govt spying. The Brits took this same road circa 1400s-1650. The Bolsheviks, Stazi, and plenty of others have trod this path, and it is insidious.
No player, no partisan, and surely no man who's purpose is power can be trusted with those keys. Sadly, that's just what we've allowed to happen with the expansion of the powers of authority in the fedguv. The genie can't be put back in the bottle without serious changes taking place in the beltway. We thought that Trump was an agent of change - but I'm seeing him slide into the same swamp-gas as every other scum pol. Dreamers staying in the US is now on the table. No new restrictions on IRS. Out of control FBI. Resurgence of civil forfeiture. Plenty more, without even mention of the FISA black hole. And just recently, I guess Guantanamo is going back in business for foreigners to be held without trial, indefinitely. Just what small step is left for someone in the US to be grabbed up, taken away in the night, and never heard from again - while they rot in a foreign country, which is a US military base. Heck - as far as I know, it's already happened.
I'm pretty pissed about the whole thing, and the memo is simply another small manifestation of the entire horror story.
Have a nice day.
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Memo or not, here's my take.
If there is no FISA court, there is no mechanism for a general warrant to be issued. The problem is far deeper than the deep state, or a political party behaving as they are wont to do. The problem is that we have been led piece, by piece down a dangerous trail. Starting long before the PATRIOT act, but having that as the fulcrum we have destroyed our limitations on govt spying. The Brits took this same road circa 1400s-1650. The Bolsheviks, Stazi, and plenty of others have trod this path, and it is insidious.
No player, no partisan, and surely no man who's purpose is power can be trusted with those keys. Sadly, that's just what we've allowed to happen with the expansion of the powers of authority in the fedguv. The genie can't be put back in the bottle without serious changes taking place in the beltway. We thought that Trump was an agent of change - but I'm seeing him slide into the same swamp-gas as every other scum pol. Dreamers staying in the US is now on the table. No new restrictions on IRS. Out of control FBI. Resurgence of civil forfeiture. Plenty more, without even mention of the FISA black hole. And just recently, I guess Guantanamo is going back in business for foreigners to be held without trial, indefinitely. Just what small step is left for someone in the US to be grabbed up, taken away in the night, and never heard from again - while they rot in a foreign country, which is a US military base. Heck - as far as I know, it's already happened.
I'm pretty pissed about the whole thing, and the memo is simply another small manifestation of the entire horror story.
Have a nice day.
Ask Jose Padilla, a US Citizen, civilian snatched up by G W Bush regime and held (nearly in contempt of SCOTUS) and moved from military prison to prison.
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#ReleaseTheWarrentApplication
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The memo outlines that Democrats used a political hit piece in order to justify initiating 100% surveillance of a campaign aide. that means that him and everyone that he talked to not only were listened to, but also became targets of the surveillance. The FBI and specifically people with extreme bias against Trump and loyalty to the Democrat party used the FBI's power to listen to everything that was happening in the Republican campaign.
If you're ok with that, then you're also ok with Republicans do the same in the midterms?
Why would I (or anyone else) be in favor of political spying by the FBI?? US Government surveillance of any US citizen is pretty serious stuff. The bar to do so has to be very high. That is the purpose of the FISA court. The government prepares the case and the judge then decides if it is warranted. In this particular case the judge did deem it appropriate. None of us in the general public really has the facts as to why that happened. Could opposition research by a political party be part of that justification? That could be the case, it is up to the FISA judge to evaluate the merits. What the Nunes memo implies is that the only reason the FISA warrant was issued was the Steele documents and was done soley to discredit the President. From what we do know, that doesn't appear to be the case. Other than Mr. Nunes opinion, he gives scant detail to back it up, if Mr. Nunes has true evidence, why didn't he put it in the memo? The surveillance order was renewed multiple times, most recently by people appointed by the current administration. If there was some evidence of illegal activity by the FBI, why was it renewed?
Did the FISA order have limits? Again, that isn't known, we do not know if the surveillance was limited to Page, or included any other contacts he may of had. There is no information that the FBI had the ability to listen in on everything happening in the Republican campaign.
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Gah...
The FISA court is a thinly veiled structure for political chicanery. It's no different than the Stasi, Russian NKVD, and whatever the N Korean internal spy forces are called. The legitimization of spying on one's internal enemies is the path to perdition. The only way to solve it is to take away that power from the govt. They - cannot - be - trusted.
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Why would I (or anyone else) be in favor of political spying by the FBI?? US Government surveillance of any US citizen is pretty serious stuff. The bar to do so has to be very high. That is the purpose of the FISA court. The government prepares the case and the judge then decides if it is warranted. In this particular case the judge did deem it appropriate.
That's because the officials that submitted the application made sure to omit essential data which they knew would get the application approved. In other words, they committed fraud.
None of us in the general public really has the facts as to why that happened. Could opposition research by a political party be part of that justification? That could be the case, it is up to the FISA judge to evaluate the merits.
See above. You keep skipping over that very crucial element.
What the Nunes memo implies is that the only reason the FISA warrant was issued was the Steele documents and was done soley to discredit the President. From what we do know, that doesn't appear to be the case. Other than Mr. Nunes opinion, he gives scant detail to back it up, if Mr. Nunes has true evidence, why didn't he put it in the memo?
I see your regurgitating the MSM talking points, right on cue. He has the evidence, thousands upon thousands of pages. All of those documents require the same process that the memo went through. It is believed in time all of the documents will be released (to the dismay of the democrats and DoJ)
The surveillance order was renewed multiple times, most recently by people appointed by the current administration. If there was some evidence of illegal activity by the FBI, why was it renewed?
Wow, talk about ignoring the 800 ppound gorilla in the room........
Did the FISA order have limits? Again, that isn't known, we do not know if the surveillance was limited to Page, or included any other contacts he may of had. There is no information that the FBI had the ability to listen in on everything happening in the Republican campaign.
Again, the committee has thousands of documents. Notice Schiff is not advocating those documents to be released so he can prove what was summarized in the Memo to be untrue. All the democrats want to do is claim everything is classified and will harm US security if released. In other words, he doesn't want you or anyone in the public to know the truth.
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If the democrat communists at the FBI and DOJ and congress are so certain there is nothing in the documents, why are they so freaked,out about releasing everything?
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If the lying trash liberals are so certain that the memo is not true, why are they so determined to keep the evidence of that a secret?
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Why would I (or anyone else) be in favor of political spying by the FBI?? US Government surveillance of any US citizen is pretty serious stuff. The bar to do so has to be very high. That is the purpose of the FISA court. The government prepares the case and the judge then decides if it is warranted. In this particular case the judge did deem it appropriate. None of us in the general public really has the facts as to why that happened. Could opposition research by a political party be part of that justification? That could be the case, it is up to the FISA judge to evaluate the merits. What the Nunes memo implies is that the only reason the FISA warrant was issued was the Steele documents and was done soley to discredit the President. From what we do know, that doesn't appear to be the case. Other than Mr. Nunes opinion, he gives scant detail to back it up, if Mr. Nunes has true evidence, why didn't he put it in the memo? The surveillance order was renewed multiple times, most recently by people appointed by the current administration. If there was some evidence of illegal activity by the FBI, why was it renewed?
Did the FISA order have limits? Again, that isn't known, we do not know if the surveillance was limited to Page, or included any other contacts he may of had. There is no information that the FBI had the ability to listen in on everything happening in the Republican campaign.
A FISA request has never been denied.
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https://nypost.com/2018/02/03/the-gop-memo-proves-the-deep-state-is-real/
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If the democrat communists at the FBI and DOJ and congress are so certain there is nothing in the documents, why are they so freaked,out about releasing everything?
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If the lying trash liberals are so certain that the memo is not true, why are they so determined to keep the evidence of that a secret?
Those who knew what was in the memo (DoJ, FBI, members of Congress) yet wet their panties that disclosure of the memo would compromise national security, expose sources and methods, and other things that could literally get people killed, should be publicly and forcefully admonished for lying the the American people, as we now all know that nothing in the memo said any such things, and that their tantrums were solely related to preventing embarrassment of themselves or the DoJ or the FBI.
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Those who knew what was in the memo (DoJ, FBI, members of Congress) yet wet their panties that disclosure of the memo would compromise national security, expose sources and methods, and other things that could literally get people killed, should be publicly and forcefully admonished for lying the the American people, as we now all know that nothing in the memo said any such things, and that their tantrums were solely related to preventing embarrassment of themselves or the DoJ or the FBI.
These idiots (dims, congressmen, DoJ/FBI deepstate) were all crying "national security!" after they read the memo. The FBI actually admitted that the memo was factual.
Yet after the memo came out, it changed to "It's all lies!" and "Nunes made it up, no facts, no evidence!"
McCabe will retire next month with his great government pension and no consequences. Rosenstein still sits in his position and continues his "Russia Investigation" with his pal and crony Mueller. Comey is enjoying his pension and is basically free from any investigations or indictments of the fraud and crimes he committed.
And here is another tidbit the MSM and the dims are not wanting exposed: These FISA warrants go all the way to the top. That means the AG has knowledge of them (Lynch) as well as National Security Advisors (Rice). And the President is briefed on these warrants as well (Obama).
The DNC using an investigative arm or the federal government to spy on an opposition candidate then using the DoJ in an attempt to discredit and unseat an elected President. And the DoJ/FBI being cooperative and compliant.
What have we come too?
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What have we come too?
We have come to place that will not be refuted by Democrats until Republicans do the same thing.
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http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/372328-senate-documents-show-fbi-trying-to-suppress-release-of-new-trump-dossier
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As much as I HATE the fedguv, and their oppressive powers, it is kind of depressing that the political right has taken the high road(notwithstanding Trump's tantrums) and has not retaliated in kind. There must be massive, extreme pressure to weaponize the FBI and DOJ right now against everyone on the left side of the aisle. Of course, if the power of the internal security apparatus was unleashed against the libs - it would create a screaming fit across the globe from the MSM, and sadly - they would be right to complain. But - where was the complaints when it was unleashed against the right side candidates.
Like I keep saying, FBI - do over. Cut out the cancer all the way through the ranks. Eviscerate the DOJ, and go back to taking care of civil rights(for ALL citizens!). Kill the Patriot act, and abolish the FISA court. This - and more is true swamp draining. Too bad Trump has turned to a Quisling.
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https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/constituents/2018-02-02%20CEG%20LG%20to%20DOJ%20FBI%20%28Unclassified%20Steele%20Referral%29.pdf
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2018/02/05/grassley-graham-reveal-clinton-associates-fed-info-to-dossier-author-chris-steele-n2444619
Sen. Grassley expressed frustration Monday with the excessive redactions.
“Seeking transparency and cooperation should not be this challenging," he said in a statement. "The government should not be blotting out information that it admits isn’t secret, and it should not take dramatic steps by Congress and the White House to get answers that the American people are demanding. There are still many questions that can only be answered by complete transparency. That means declassifying as much of the underlying documents as possible.”
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http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/372328-senate-documents-show-fbi-trying-to-suppress-release-of-new-trump-dossier
Sheryl Attkisson May be the last reporter in the world to have any integrity and ethics left.
As you read this article, there is NO opinion in it. It reads like news articles USED to read - unbiased and factual. Yet, THE HILL decided to add their disclaimer to this “opinion piece.” That must be because she reported facts that are unsavory to those who deny them. Unbelievable.
Good for Attkisson for being the lone voice of fairness.
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As much as I HATE the fedguv, and their oppressive powers, it is kind of depressing that the political right has taken the high road(notwithstanding Trump's tantrums) and has not retaliated in kind. There must be massive, extreme pressure to weaponize the FBI and DOJ right now
There certainly is a huge temptation. I'm hearing from the Left that everything alleged in the memo is OK, standard SOP for the FBI. No worries.
I'm actually in favor of instructing Mueller to take this into his investigation and follow it to the logical conclusion. After all, the Left has also told us all along how fair and balanced he is. I suspect he would get more out of this than a few procedural issues.
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There certainly is a huge temptation. I'm hearing from the Left that everything alleged in the memo is OK, standard SOP for the FBI. No worries.
I'm actually in favor of instructing Mueller to take this into his investigation and follow it to the logical conclusion. After all, the Left has also told us all along how fair and balanced he is. I suspect he would get more out of this than a few procedural issues.
Mueller wouldn't dare touch this. Or if he did, all the evidence would find it's way to a shredder and Bleachbit.
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Mueller wouldn't dare touch this. Or if he did, all the evidence would find it's way to a shredder and Bleachbit.
Interesting thought - how much of Mueller's findings up to now derive from the FISA warrant? Because if the warrant is held to be illegal, everything that derived from it is fruit of the poison tree and becomes inadmissible in a court. I suspect this will pretty much put Mueller out of business.
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This whole memo fiasco has reminded me that this is nothing more than theater while the real game is elsewhere.
Did Russia have and exercised the capability to plant votes in the Electoral College or not? If this investigation doesn't answer that question, then everything else is a waste of my tax dollars.
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For that matter, has the Dumbos said exactly what " collusion" supposedly took place and how it influenced the election in any way?
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This whole memo fiasco has reminded me that this is nothing more than theater while the real game is elsewhere.
Did Russia have and exercised the capability to plant votes in the Electoral College or not? If this investigation doesn't answer that question, then everything else is a waste of my tax dollars.
The point you seem to keep missing, or can't comprehend, is that an agency of the US government, the Dept of Justice had used it's power of investigation against a political opponent at the direction of a political party.
The previous administration had weaponized the DoJ/FBI much in the same way they weaponized the IRS and EPA to go after political opponents.
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The point you seem to keep missing, or can't comprehend, is that an agency of the US government, the Dept of Justice had used it's power of investigation against a political opponent at the direction of a political party.
The previous administration had weaponized the DoJ/FBI much in the same way they weaponized the IRS and EPA to go after political opponents.
And they thought they would get away with it, and keep it hidden because Hillary was going to be elected. Part of the reason they continue to want to delegitimize the Trump Presidency.
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And they thought they would get away with it, and keep it hidden because Hillary was going to be elected. Part of the reason they continue to want to delegitimize the Trump Presidency.
Yep, the fix was in. Under their plan the progressives would keep power and anyone dare run against them would face the investigative power of the federal government and be promptly destroyed in the MSM.
But those damn irredeemable deplorables had to show up and vote.
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For that matter, has the Dumbos said exactly what " collusion" supposedly took place and how it influenced the election in any way?
NO! Even people on the right are just acknowledging that “Russia interferes with our election,” but no one has ever said precisely how they did that short of buying Facebook ads. It’s all ridiculous , but this narrative continues.
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What I don't understand is why the Hillary team thought all the spying on Trump was necessary. The election was in the bag. So much so that they didn't bother to campaign in several states (that they ultimately lost). Why go through the time and effort and money to do all this if they thought they had an easy win?
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What I don't understand is why the Hillary team thought all the spying on Trump was necessary. The election was in the bag. So much so that they didn't bother to campaign in several states (that they ultimately lost). Why go through the time and effort and money to do all this if they thought they had an easy win?
"Insurance."
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https://youtu.be/AS9j_-mqSWc
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What I don't understand is why the Hillary team thought all the spying on Trump was necessary. The election was in the bag. So much so that they didn't bother to campaign in several states (that they ultimately lost). Why go through the time and effort and money to do all this if they thought they had an easy win?
I think they were afraid of the tiny, minute chance of what actually happened happening. Look, we were all fed push polling that said Hillary was a landslide walkaway. But that is probably more propaganda than truth from a media who desperately wanted Hillary to win. I heard a Trump spokesman talk the day before the election. The reporter rather snidely asked "you guys don't actually think you have a chance, do you?" The spokesman said "well, we've been doing our own polling in Michigan and Wisconsin and we think we've got a good chance there". The Trump campaign knew they had a good shot.
If the Hillary campaign was smart (and not saying they were), they would be doing hard polling not infected by partisan spin to know what their true situation was. If they saw the same polling that the Trump campaign saw, if they saw the same polling the Trafalgar Group saw...btw, the ONLY polling group to call Michigan correctly...then they would know it was a lot closer than it appeared publicly.
Also keep in mind the position that their candidate was in. She appeared frail, she had to be pulled out a campaign appearance to have a doctor tend to her and she was largely absent during the last month+ of the campaign. Director Comey had just called here (merely) careless in handling classified material and she was largely viewed as a liar by the country.
Insurance makes complete sense.
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What I don't understand is why the Hillary team thought all the spying on Trump was necessary. The election was in the bag. So much so that they didn't bother to campaign in several states (that they ultimately lost). Why go through the time and effort and money to do all this if they thought they had an easy win?
My take on this has to do with a long-standing view that Hillary is a vindictive, spiteful, shrew. She has a veneer of respectfulness, but there are times in the past when that veneer has slipped, and the real harridan shows through. It wasn't enough to win the election, and become her Rightful, Respectful, Ruler of the Free World. No, she wanted and need to crush Trump after he turned his back on her financially, and politically. Hillary and Trump have a long, complicated history. His scorning of her was vicious and personal in her estimation and NO ONE is allowed to get away with that. Ergo, when there was a golden opportunity to set the dogs of (political) war unleashed on Trump - she just couldn't say no. Aided and abetted by OB, and a cadre of minions in DOJ/FBI/FISA it devolved that they would do her bidding, and eviscerate Trump once and for all - then claim her throne, and pull the strings of authority to sweep her underlings deeds away.
One of the few things I revel in is the absolute rejection of Clinton by Trump. There will be no reconciliation, and no return to business as usual for these two. She is personally/professionally persona-non-grata as long as the wheels of political control are in the hands of the GOP. Which I'm fine with. I have no interest in the congress Rs reaching across the aisle, or the same goes for the Ds not working with the majority. Let them all sit on their hands, I hope for a true and extensive govt shutdown that covers pretty much everything except defense, and the Social Security system(gotta pay off the geezers). No wall? Fine, get rid of the aliens, including all the DACA. We don't have to have a wall, we can just patrol the heck out of it with humans and planes.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/02/07/oh-my-did-hillarys-hatchet-man-provide-intel-for-antitrump-dossier-her-campaign-secretly-paid-for-n2445393
So Sid Blumenthal has reemerged.
Just keeps getting better and better.
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The point you seem to keep missing, or can't comprehend, is that an agency of the US government, the Dept of Justice had used it's power of investigation against a political opponent at the direction of a political party.
The previous administration had weaponized the DoJ/FBI much in the same way they weaponized the IRS and EPA to go after political opponents.
Ah, but you forget....Mr. Page was swept up while the FBI was monitoring someone else and well before campaign time. When Page showed up on Team Trump is when it became "interesting".
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Ah, but you forget....Mr. Page was swept up while the FBI was monitoring someone else and well before campaign time. When Page showed up on Team Trump is when it became "interesting".
I realize reading comprehension is difficult for you, but you clearly don't have a grasp on what's going on here.
And obviously you approve of the government using questionable means and tactics to circumvent the Fourth Amendment.
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What part of 2013 do you not get?
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What part of 2013 do you not get?
I'm not cherry picking just tidbits that I like. I'm looking at the entire scope of what has taken place.
You, on the other hand..............
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I'm looking a relevance and deciding what pieces fit where in the chronology. And its clear to me that this whole memo mess was just a dramatic charade that went FLOP and they're still trying to make it say something that it doesn't say, like Trumps; "Caught them red handed". No it doesn't catch anyone red-handed. However....
My mom taught me that "when you tell a lie you have to tell another to cover up the first one." So that means to me that 'me thinketh thou (FBI) protesteth much' and I want to know what really were they covering up and I don't believe FOR ONE SECOND it's what has been made out to be.
Otherwise, STOP SPENDING MY DAMN TAX MONEY ON FOOLISHNESS.
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I'm looking a relevance and deciding what pieces fit where in the chronology.
Otherwise, STOP SPENDING MY DAMN TAX MONEY ON FOOLISHNESS.
Alrighty, here's a primer. In early 2016, one or more of the republican 12 candidates started to develop opo research on Trump. When the candidate failed to gain any traction, it's likely(unprovable without a warrant) they gave that opo-research to the Clinton campaign in a fit of spite. The Clinton campaign in mid-2016 took the scraps of the Trump dossier and hired a political hack ex-MI6 guy to punch it up. Over the next few months, he and some soon discovered political operatives on the left(Cory, Sid, Podesta group) planted some gossipy lies among several truthful negative pieces, and wound it all up in the current Trump dossier. Clinton - being the ex-sec of state, took the product of their collective imagination to the DOJ and said - 'hey, look at this nefarious stuff we found on Trump. You should present this to the FISA court, and get a warrant to snoop on the,,, ahem - Russian who are meeting with Trump campaign operatives'. In mid/late 2016, the DOJ not wanting to get spattered with shit advised top people in the FBI to vet this info from Clinton in the dossier. The FBI obliged, and likely(but not provable) endorsed most of it, or was neutral on some, and positive on other parts of the missive. DOJ then advise FBI it could/should present to the FISA court for an expansive warrant to gather up intel on the Trump campaign. The FISA court, based on this dossier, and maybe some other supporting intel from the BO CIA/FBI watching over some minor Russian lawyer decided to buy-in and granted the warrant. Strangely, all this take from the warrant authorized spying on the Trump campaign in fall 2016 made it into the main-stream media. Hmmmmm, isn't that convenient. It also made it somehow to the Clinton campaign, which started bandying the "Russian collusion" angle.
FF after the election, and the dems are hanging on by a thread. They decide to go bold, as they have nothing else to do after losing the election and start leaking all this Russian, 25th amendment, unfit for office, conspiracy, obstruction stuff before and after the inauguration. Heads start to roll in 2017 spring, and now we are getting some of the background on where this made-up dossier came from, the players behind it(Cory, Sid, Podesta group), and how and why the take from the FISA warrant seems to be splattered all over the news constantly. We KNOW some of it was released by Comey(FBI), because he admitted it under oath. We know also that Clinton had, and forwarded to the DOJ because the DOJ lawyers won't talk about how they got it(but the DOJ sure is a sieve when it comes to leaking Trump gossip). We think, with decent amount of surety that Mueller investigation was based on part of the dossier, because it was the DOJ which started the special prosecutor process, and they didn't do that with anything from Russia, or Trump campaign. Where did the origin of the SP get it's info? FISA court? Where did they get their info? Trump dossier. Who had the Trump dossier prepared? Clinton, and DNC campaign.
I hope this helped. The Nunes memo, and the next one coming out basically lay out the some of the players. Although more of them are dribbling out. It is a concerted effort on the part of the Dems to use every disgusting, dirty trick(ala Watergate) to discredit Trump. Which would be ok, if there was any facts about the Russia deal. Mueller is sweeping up every tweet, statement, document, and gossip he can to justify his existence. Which is what SPs do, just as with Slick Willy.
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Please read this. This is a jurist who is one of the purest I can find. He is a pro-Trump who is not afraid to sling shit when it's deserved. This is what it's all about.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/08/judge-andrew-napolitano-memos-fisa-courts-partisan-political-games-why-should-care.html
All of them have too much power. The nation worked just fine for 200 years without the FISA court. Sure - we have problem. Sure, there are nations who want to destroy us. Sure, it's hard to keep up with the technology. But the courts and the cops have gone way too far. Watergate was one of the triggers. It's time to get back to honest institutions without political aims. I hope its not too late.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/02/08/strassel-tweetstorm-grassley-memo-n2445871
We'll bring you Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberly Strassel's tweetstorm in a moment, but I'll take a stab at answering her question about the media right out of the gate. Three possibilities: (1) The GOP hyped the Nunes memo, which quickly became the center of this whole firestorm -- replete with counter-memos, FBI objections, etc. The press followed the spotlight. (2) As we've been saying, there are so many complex pieces of this larger puzzle, following the plot is difficult. It's not just news consumers wondering, "which memo is this now?" -- it's many of the people trying to cover this drama, too. The document in question here is a second, less redacted, version of a Senate memo that few people have even heard of. (3) The Senate memo, produced by non-bomb-throwers Chuck Grassley and Lindsey Graham, is substantially more disruptive to the Democrats' narrative than the Nunes document. And the press generally prefers Democratic narratives to Republican ones because most journalists are liberals.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/02/08/strassel-tweetstorm-grassley-memo-n2445871
"And the press generally prefers Democratic narratives to Republican ones because most journalists are liberals. "
I, for one, am shocked!
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I heard a line recently on a TV show I like. I think it's relevant here and I'll try and quote as best I can: 'When the Governments authority gets too big it makes the power of the individual over themselves smaller. If the government can determine who dies, it can also determine who lives.' Not quite but I hope I've preserved enough of the idea.
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"A govt powerful enough to give you everything you want, is powerful enough to take everything you have." Which is precisely why I so hate the civil forfeiture laws. If the govt thinks one has accumulated wealth and property illegally, then take them to court and prove it. Otherwise - you can't touch that. Another of the 'you didn't build that' problems with authority. Taking credit by govt for private gains out of all proportion to their actual help.
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And it gets even deeper:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/13/susan-rice-email-n2448167
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The Steele dossier has mostly been debunked. It was a political hit piece meant to smear Trump paid for by the DNC/Clinton campaign.
In other words it's a work of fiction, and the DoJ/FBI knew it. Yet they used it to obtain a FISA warrant and extensions, which means the warrants were obtained fraudulently.
Until recently. Photographic proof of Trump cavorting with the prostitutes has been uncovered.
(http://www.allthingsagriculture.com/Bashboard/download/file.php?id=63963&t=1)
Noah W
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http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/13/comey-obama-secret-meeting/
FBI Director James Comey held a secret Oval Office meeting with President Barack Obama two weeks before Trump’s inauguration and may have deliberately misled Congress about it, according to an email sent by National Security Advisor Susan Rice that GOP Sens. Chuck Grassley and Lindsey Graham partially unclassified.
The meeting — which Comey never previously disclosed to Congress — occurred in the White House on Jan. 5, 2016. It included Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Rice deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, and Comey. The topic of the meeting was potential Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
By failing to inform the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence about the meeting in his June 8, 2017, testimony, Comey may have deliberately and intentionally misled Congress about his interactions with the former president, especially a meeting so close to Trump entering the White House.
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Until recently. Photographic proof of Trump cavorting with the prostitutes has been uncovered.
(http://www.allthingsagriculture.com/Bashboard/download/file.php?id=63963&t=1)
Noah W
No, no, no, you've got the line wrong. Trump is their pimp. Come on, get with the program.
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And now we have this:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/14/exclusive-doj-official-bruce-ohr-hid-wifes-fusion-gps-payments-from-ethics-officials/
Justice Department official Bruce Ohr did not disclose Fusion GPS was paying his wife
Ohr was demoted from his post after the information emerged
Willfully falsifying government ethics documents can result in jail time
Bruce Ohr, the Department of Justice official who brought opposition research on President Donald Trump to the FBI, did not disclose that Fusion GPS, which performed that research at the Democratic National Committee’s behest, was paying his wife, and did not obtain a conflict of interest waiver from his superiors at the Justice Department, documents obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation show.
The omission may explain why Ohr was demoted from his post as associate deputy attorney general after the relationship between Fusion GPS and his wife emerged and Fusion founder Glenn Simpson acknowledged meeting with Ohr. Willfully falsifying government ethics forms can carry a penalty of jail time, if convicted.
The Democratic National Committee (DNC) hired Fusion GPS to gather and disseminate damning info about Trump, and they in turn paid Nellie Ohr, a former CIA employee with expertise in Russia, for an unknown role related to the “dossier.” Bruce Ohr then brought the information to the FBI, kicking off a probe and a media firestorm.
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And now we have this:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/14/exclusive-doj-official-bruce-ohr-hid-wifes-fusion-gps-payments-from-ethics-officials/
Wow.
Why didn't I read about this in the MSM?
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Wow.
Why didn't I read about this in the MSM?
CNN is running a "Breaking News" segment right........oh wait..........never mind.
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Speaking of CNN, I saw an interesting bit in the other real news about them. I just completed a couple of journeys on comm flights. I always wondered why CNN is on in every airport. Come to find out, rather than the airport paying CNN to take their content it's the other way around! CNN is actually PAYING money to almost every major airport in the country - to take their feed, and display only CNN in the terminals! You don't have a choice either, you can't change it, and you can't turn it off. You - will - be - brainwashed - by - CNN - no - dispute!
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And now we have this:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/14/exclusive-doj-official-bruce-ohr-hid-wifes-fusion-gps-payments-from-ethics-officials/
Perfect guy to give immunity to if it indicts people up the food chain.
I’m not talking about Susan Rice-type of immunity where you are immune from prosecution AND you plead the Fifth, providing the DOJ with nothing.
I’m talking about an Attorney General Trey Gowdy-type of immunity where you serve up a high ranking DOJ or FBI official on a silver platter, or go to prison for a long time.
Jury’s our as to whether AG Sessions will have the balls to do that.
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Jury’s our as to whether AG Sessions will have the balls to do that.
Sessions is a part of the swamp, so don't look for anything aggressive from him.
Sessions needs to go as does Rosenstein.
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I typically don't follow Ann Coulter, but this article she wrote nails it.
https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2018/02/15/anatomy-of-a-coup-n2449461
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https://townhall.com/columnists/emmetttyrrell/2018/02/15/following-the-clintons-final-con-n2449372
Let us begin by following the money. The Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign were represented by the legal firm Perkins Coie. At least $1.02 million went from Perkins Coie to Fusion GPS in 2015, an obvious pass-through. Finally, it reached its destination: Christopher Steele, an ex-British intelligence sleuth who was contemptuous of Trump, had close ties with the FBI and other U.S. intelligence agencies, and boasted of his worldwide connections with Russians, among others. He reportedly took $168,000 as payment for his services. That the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign were firmly under Clinton control has been widely reported, most recently by former DNC head Donna Brazile in her angry book about the campaign, "Hacks: The Inside Story of the Break-Ins and Breakdowns That Put Donald Trump in the White House."
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http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/15/media-stopped-reporting-russia-collusion-story-helped-create/
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Media moved on.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/presidential-inaugural-committee-stephanie-winston-wolkoff/index.html
Trump inaugural committee pays $26 million to firm founded by first lady's friend
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/13/17003550/rob-porter-trump-kushner-security-clearance
Trump’s White House has a major security clearance problem
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http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/15/media-stopped-reporting-russia-collusion-story-helped-create/
Wow, a strong, well research brilliant summary of the real collusion. Sadly, it will never be fully told to more than half of the nation. (who still have heads in the Russiagate sand) Thank you.
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Media moved on.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/presidential-inaugural-committee-stephanie-winston-wolkoff/index.html
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/13/17003550/rob-porter-trump-kushner-security-clearance
Ahhhh... the hypocrisy of leftist news reporting and repeating....
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http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/15/susan-rice-email-means-time-question-obamas-involvement-russiagate/
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Getting more interesting by the day.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/16/general-flynn-should-withdraw-his-guilty-plea-his-new-judge-is-a-government-misconduct-expert/
Looks like Mueller is gonna have some 'splaining to do.
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http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/15/media-stopped-reporting-russia-collusion-story-helped-create/
Trump has a once in a lifetime chance to cleanse the FBI and DOJ of its career corruptocrats for a generation or more, put people in prison. Sadly the underground government won’t permit such a purge.
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Trump has a once in a lifetime chance to cleanse the FBI and DOJ of its career corruptocrats for a generation or more, put people in prison. Sadly the underground government won’t permit such a purge.
There has been a long standing tradition in DC to not go after the outgoing administration, lest the incoming one shares that fate. This is why nothing has every happened to clean up the corruption. Trump has been challenging that paradigm, which explains the relentless attacks from the Left. Of course, he has an ineffectual AG, maybe that's part of the "deal."
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There has been a long standing tradition in DC to not go after the outgoing administration, lest the incoming one shares that fate.
That tradition went out the window with "It's Bush's Fault" Obama.
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There has been a long standing tradition in DC to not go after the outgoing administration, lest the incoming one shares that fate. This is why nothing has every happened to clean up the corruption. Trump has been challenging that paradigm, which explains the relentless attacks from the Left. Of course, he has an ineffectual AG, maybe that's part of the "deal."
Sure for things like pulling someone’s FBI or IRS file for political purposes. Think White House Travel Office.
I think the line has been crossed.