PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: InTheSoup on December 14, 2016, 08:25:10 PM
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I'm surprised any pilot even checked that box anonymously.. I get the issue though. Need to find a way to help those that need it rather than penalize them.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/14/health/depressed-pilots/index.html
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The issue is not the FAA so much - a pilot who is depressed should be grounded. The issue is the air carrier who pays based on flying. The carrier could step up and institute a temporary "average pay for grounded" status for pilots and it would largely solve this.
It's the company who refuses to bear the cost to take care of their people that are the core problem.
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The issue is not the FAA so much - a pilot who is depressed should be grounded. The issue is the air carrier who pays based on flying. The carrier could step up and institute a temporary "average pay for grounded" status for pilots and it would largely solve this.
It's the company who refuses to bear the cost to take care of their people that are the core problem.
Great idea
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The issue is not the FAA so much - a pilot who is depressed should be grounded. The issue is the air carrier who pays based on flying. The carrier could step up and institute a temporary "average pay for grounded" status for pilots and it would largely solve this.
It's the company who refuses to bear the cost to take care of their people that are the core problem.
"a pilot who is depressed should be grounded." um, why would depression be a cause for grounding? Does depression prevent a pilot for performing his job?
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"a pilot who is depressed should be grounded." um, why would depression be a cause for grounding? Does depression prevent a pilot for performing his job?
Ok. A pilot who does not meet the FAA medical criteria for mental health should be grounded. That includes some depressive disorders, which require an FAA decision to restore the pilot to flying status. Should we ask Dr. Bruce to expound?
The issue is not with the FAA's determination of when a pilot should be grounded, it is the other factors which encourage the pilot to work around the grounding. Most of us have an addiction to food, clothing and shelter and that addiction will cause us to do all kinds of things.
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"a pilot who is depressed should be grounded." um, why would depression be a cause for grounding? Does depression prevent a pilot for performing his job?
You serious? You want the guy up front behind a locked door to throw his hands up and say "Ah, what's the use! I'm outa here." when the chips are down?
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Isn't it a matter of degree? Clinical v mild and everything in between? We know medications for mood are grounding; makes sense that the condition be grounding if serious.
I say this because we all have thoughts now and then about life, its brevity, its meaning, our own fate, etc. Questionnaires are notoriously difficult to be absolutely accurate on because so many factors affecting the question and its meaning are left out.
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You serious? You want the guy up front behind a locked door to throw his hands up and say "Ah, what's the use! I'm outa here." when the chips are down?
Yes. I'm not a clinic psychologist. And I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either. But aren't there degrees/levels of depression? If I feel sad, must I stay out of the cockpit?
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You serious? You want the guy up front behind a locked door to throw his hands up and say "Ah, what's the use! I'm outa here." when the chips are down?
A) In air carrier ops there are two of them.
B) Presuming you don't know whether the guy or gal in the pointy end has such inclinations, would you rather that they are untreated because they know disclosure effectively costs them their career? Or would you rather they be seeing a doc from time to time who can ring the alarm on any truly dangerous ones?
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Yes. I'm not a clinic psychologist. And I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either. But aren't there degrees/levels of depression? If I feel sad, must I stay out of the cockpit?
That's not depression. Then again, it might be a violation of IMSAFE.
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A) In air carrier ops there are two of them.
Until one goes to the can.
B) Presuming you don't know whether the guy or gal in the pointy end has such inclinations, would you rather that they are untreated because they know disclosure effectively costs them their career? Or would you rather they be seeing a doc from time to time who can ring the alarm on any truly dangerous ones?
FAA denies people with completely innocuous medical conditions present and past, but if an ATP is having suicidal thoughts they should just see a doc with no repercussions?
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but if an ATP is having suicidal thoughts they should just see a doc with no repercussions?
No, there should be repercussions. But the repercussions should not include going on unpaid leave from your work.
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Prevalence of depressive symptoms among high-stress occupations include 7% among emergency medical technicians, 10 to 17% among police officers, and 12% among deployed and 13% among previously deployed military personnel, the researchers estimate.
In future studies, the researchers hope to examine the risk factors for depression among pilots.
"We suspect that disrupted circadian rhythm and/or sleep disturbances may be associated with having a higher depressive score," said Wu.
Maybe it comes with the territory. In other words, it's "normal" for this level of depression to show up in this group of people as a result of the occupation itself.
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Maybe it comes with the territory. In other words, it's "normal" for this level of depression to show up in this group of people as a result of the occupation itself.
There is depression, and then there is clinical, deep, debilitating depression. Humans have bad moods, and ups, and downs. It is part of being human. That is "normal." When people are deeply depressed long term, and/or start talking about doing stupid stuff, that is a red flag.
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FAA denies people with completely innocuous medical conditions present and past, but if an ATP is having suicidal thoughts they should just see a doc with no repercussions?
I think the Flight Surgeon's quick scalpel finger to keep pilots (private to ATP alike) out of the air for questionable reasons is exactly the point of discussion.
If seeing the doc automatically leads to repercussions (grounding, for short or long term), just how many do you think are going to go see the doc? So the question remains, are you comfortable with untreated mental illness in the cockpit? Because that's exactly what you have.
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I think the Flight Surgeon's quick scalpel finger to keep pilots (private to ATP alike) out of the air for questionable reasons is exactly the point of discussion.
If seeing the doc automatically leads to repercussions (grounding, for short or long term), just how many do you think are going to go see the doc? So the question remains, are you comfortable with untreated mental illness in the cockpit? Because that's exactly what you have.
Unfortunately mental illness is even less understood than physical ailments. The stigma remains even after someone is supposedly "cured." We need to have better evaluation tools to show a full recovery, whatever that is. I'd bet that any one of us could be "diagnosed" with one or more mental issues.