PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Steingar on September 14, 2018, 07:07:47 AM
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...nearly 3000 people did NOT die in Puerto Rico after hurricane Maria, and that the Democrats are just inflating the numbers to make him look bad.
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Yep.... so?
Oh, right.
The President said something, that means it's a scandal.
The fact that the mayor of San Juan lied thru her teeth throughout the entire recovery process and specifically lied about President Trump means nothing to a blind ideologue like you.
The fact that the corrupt government of Puerto Rico refused to distribute food, water and clothes, leaving it to be stolen by gangs, or to rot out in the open is not part of your thought process.
And the fact that the power companies sent to restore power found brand new power poles that Puerto Rico didn't bother to string electric wires on, since the hurricane BEFORE the hurricane that the corrupt, lying, progressive (oh, I repeated myself there), makes no impact on your bullshit.
Go back to wetting your pants, little fella.
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The perfesser is just trolling the forum, and it's getting old.
Whenever anyone here tries to debate him on facts he either runs away or just starts posting some inane diatribe.
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Eventually he and his pathetic, ethically and factually challenged friends will run out of depends and start wetting their socks and keds.
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The fact that the mayor of San Juan lied thru her teeth throughout the entire recovery process and specifically lied about President Trump means nothing to a blind ideologue like you.
Lied about what exactly?
The fact that the corrupt government of Puerto Rico refused to distribute food, water and clothes, leaving it to be stolen by gangs, or to rot out in the open is not part of your thought process.
Refused? Again, this is new to me. That said, I don't know how they would have, with the island being in as bad a shape as it was.
And the fact that the power companies sent to restore power found brand new power poles that Puerto Rico didn't bother to string electric wires on, since the hurricane BEFORE the hurricane that the corrupt, lying, progressive (oh, I repeated myself there), makes no impact on your bullshit.
Power wasn't restored to much of the island for close to a year. But to be perfectly honest, I don't see what any of this has to do with the death toll (which was verified by out side sources) and Trump's denial thereof. To be honest, I can't blame anyone for the miscommunication. Roads, power, and telephone lies were all washed out after the storm. No one knew right away just how badly they'ed been hit and how many they'd lost. I can understand Trump having trouble i with the methodology used to determine the death toll, I can't blame him for being surprised it increased after the fact. What surprises me is the liar in Chief turned it into yet another cockamamie conspiracy theory with "Democrats" as the scapegoats.
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About the only true thing in your post is that you don't know.
Not knowing never stopped you before, so it certainly won't now.
With democrat style math, there might have been a total of 3000 people that died in teh last 12 months, from any and all causes, but obama style outrage would take you along for the ride, mikey.
It's like the old lie you progressive assholes told when Ronald Reagan was president. Your memory being so challenged, you probably can't remember what you had for breakfast, but I will remind you - Over 900 homeless people die every hour...
When you did the math you realized that if there was a shred of truth to that deranged claim (much like 3000 Puerto Ricans died from Maria) the homeless problem would have permanently gone away within a few months.
Or maybe you don't remember that nancy pelosi claim that every month the scam stimulus wasn't passed that 500 MILLION Americans would lose their jobs. If you were capable of simple (non partisan) math, you would know that every American would have been out of work in about a week, if that were even remotely true.
As I recall, those same lying assholes convinced you bed wetters that people were going to start dying if the Paris climate accord went away and those same people were going to be dying if the internet regulation was to go away, and if parents were allowed to be notified before medical people did abortions on minor children...
Keep lying, mickey. It's good for comic relief.
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I've no idea what the truth is here and not going to take the time to try to take a side, but if Trump is wrong, I'm not surprised. He gets a lot of exact facts wrong. Doesn't mean he's deliberately lying. But even if he is, I still LOVE my tax cut! And the stock market rise, and the low unemployment and the rolling back regulations and the bringing dollars back to the U.S.
You liberals look the other way and forgive your politicians for far worse, for the sake of whatever reason you keep voting for them. So if Trump is wrong about that number, so what. Who cares how many people Trump thinks died. Doesn't change what he's doing for the country and for me.
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I think the number of casualties at 48 was remarkably low, and no one believed her. I also think the number of casualties DIRECTLY related to the hurricane are no where near 3000, even if the study chose a full SIX month window to investigate. There were 65 casualties on the island of Dominica, which was struck when it was a cat 5. There were only 5 casualties on the entire island of the Dominican Republic. But PR had 3000? For the same exact storm?
The storm struck PR on Sept 20 at about 6am. By Sept 22 at 3pm, the last of the rains and wind were done, and the actual 'storm' was over. For that period, I would estimate that probably somewhere between 100-300 died, maybe more. However - if we want to include every death that happened from Sept 20 2017 through Feb 20 2018, and call them all casualties of the hurricane, then yes - 3000 would be possible.
I don't know how much was sent to PR after the storm, but whatever it was, no amount would have been enough for the outrage meter. They were going to be outraged regardless of what the US did.
An 83YO woman from the north part of the island died in mid-Feb of congestive heart failure. Her death was ruled in the group of those who were victims of the hurricane. Really? 83 YO, dying of heart failure and she's a victim of a storm, from six month ago? Ok, if you say so.
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Oh, isn't it strange - that just as a new storm is about to hit the US, and is in the news cycle 24/7 - we get these "revised" death toll numbers? Interesting how that works out. Almost as if the pump was primed to make Trump look the worst, right before the new storm makes landfall.
Amazing coinkedinks eh?
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Lied about what exactly?
Refused? Again, this is new to me. That said, I don't know how they would have, with the island being in as bad a shape as it was.
Power wasn't restored to much of the island for close to a year. But to be perfectly honest, I don't see what any of this has to do with the death toll (which was verified by out side sources) and Trump's denial thereof. To be honest, I can't blame anyone for the miscommunication. Roads, power, and telephone lies were all washed out after the storm. No one knew right away just how badly they'ed been hit and how many they'd lost. I can understand Trump having trouble i with the methodology used to determine the death toll, I can't blame him for being surprised it increased after the fact. What surprises me is the liar in Chief turned it into yet another cockamamie conspiracy theory with "Democrats" as the scapegoats.
Since the “official” death toll from that hurricane was 64, I agree with his skepticism. You should too.
Further, the San Juan mayor is a major anti-Trump leftist who was on TV screaming against Trump, while literally standing in front of pallets of water and other goods delivered by the federal government. Pardon me if I don’t give her the benefit of the doubt.
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I've looked at the study done in more detail, and while the number 3000 is still likely high, it would seem that the study did take into account the mortality rate in the PR over previous years, and make some adjustments for normalized mortality not related to the storm. Having said that, the 3000 deaths over a six month period are likely pretty accurate. The rub still comes in where ALL of the attribution to the storm is quantified.
If that 83YO woman who died in Feb would have lived to 84, it could be said that an attribute of her death was the poor response to the storm, and a lack of facilities in the aftermath. Since the storm occurred during the later stages of her life, I would attribute some small percent of causation to the storms. Maybe she would have lived to 90, maybe not. But - she had already lived 83 years, and even if we postulate the mean lifespan of a PR woman is 71 years old, one could easily say that she's plus 12 years at the time of the storm.
This gets too deep into mortality rates, lifespan calculations, and the storms affect on death rates than I care to mess with. While I believe that 3000 people died in that six month window, I seriously doubt that the discreet value of a fatality can be attributed to the storm. Still, it was silly for Trump to argue about it. Would have been much more tactically and strategically better to agree, and commiserate. There was nothing the US could spend that would have made the libs in PR happy, so agree and defuse as much as possible.
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Politifact, of all places says:
UPDATE Sept. 13, 2018: Since this story posted, another study attempting to approximate the death toll was commissioned by the government in Puerto Rico and published by the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health. The study released in August 2018 analyzed death certificates and other mortality data and found an estimated 2,975 excess deaths between September 2017 through the end of February 2018. The team compared the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number based on historical patterns and found that the number was 22 percent higher than would have been expected.
Low-information readers (like the media) stop at the "2,975 excess deaths" number and don't continue on to the meat of the story which says that deaths attributable to the storm was 22% over the usual number of deaths in that time period. That's about 660 people.
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Politifact, of all places says:
Low-information readers (like the media) stop at the "2,975 excess deaths" number and don't continue on to the meat of the story which says that deaths attributable to the storm was 22% over the usual number of deaths in that time period. That's about 660 people.
Comprehension and factual knowledge never enter into the equation when dealing with make believe outraged progressives and parasitic academics.
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The Mayor of Puerto Rico is a devout Commie, and Trump hater. Yes, she has been lying the entire time. Lies should have consequences, just like elections. Cut them off, and let the public know why.
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Politifact, of all places says:
Low-information readers (like the media) stop at the "2,975 excess deaths" number and don't continue on to the meat of the story which says that deaths attributable to the storm was 22% over the usual number of deaths in that time period. That's about 660 people.
Good find. I didn't see that in the synopsis of the report I read. And, that correlates pretty well to what I'm thinking of as an excess mortality rate.
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...nearly 3000 people did NOT die in Puerto Rico after hurricane Maria, and that the Democrats are just inflating the numbers to make him look bad.
The Washington Post agreed with the president three months ago. Makes me wonder why CNN is still pushing the lie.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/02/did-4645-people-die-in-hurricane-maria-nope/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.102f862c9857
See, CNN and BSNBC have a bias against the president. If those on the left want to be thought of as intelligent and insightful, they should doubt the negative things they hear about the presdient unless they can be verified. In this case, they not only are not verified, but they are outright contradicted by other media sources.
My first reaction to pretty much every negative accusation I hear these days is to not believe it until I know the whole story. The reason I doubt is not to be contrary or because I support the loud mouthed president who is in office now, it is because experience has taught me that almost every time they say something bad, it is later proven to be outright false.
Also, I read the president's statement with an emphasis on the word "in" and did not substitute "because of"
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I'm sure that the death toll on the Island after the storm was greater than the initially reported 67. Probably much higher.
But I also believe the new number ~3,000 was inflated. Even if that many people did die after the storm, I'm sure many of them would have died anyway from various other causes, from old age to murder to accidents etc...
Trump has never been known for tact. He has a quite few other faults as well. Democrats are frantic. We are going to continue to hear a lot of stupid stuff out of both sides for about 6 more years. And hopefully, longer than that as I hope they keep losing.
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Maybe Michael can refer us to the actual body count showing 3000+.
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Maybe Michael can refer us to the actual body count showing 3000+.
Yeah, but probably he cannot. There was no count, there were statistical studies that show how many people should have died. If I'm remembering right, Harvard did one that said...with 95% confidence...that the number could have been over 8000. Or it could have been 700, they don't know. So they want to split the difference and call it 4350.
I can state with 100% confidence that somewhere between 0 and 3.3 million people died. So we should split that difference and call it 1.5 million dead, right?
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Yeah, but probably he cannot. There was no count, there were statistical studies that show how many people should have died. If I'm remembering right, Harvard did one that said...with 95% confidence...that the number could have been over 8000. Or it could have been 700, they don't know. So they want to split the difference and call it 4350.
I can state with 100% confidence that somewhere between 0 and 3.3 million people died. So we should split that difference and call it 1.5 million dead, right?
That would be good enough for mikey.
certainly the ‘science’ involved would coincide with political agenda.