Post by: Lucifer on September 14, 2017, 02:44:55 PM
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A recent poll conducted by the University of Pennsylvania finds that residents of the United States are poorly informed about basic constitutional provisions.
The newly released survey suggests Americans cannot name a single right protected by the First Amendment.
According to Penn’s Annenberg Public Policy Center released Tuesday, 37 percent could not name any of the five rights protected by First Amendment, and just about half (48 percent) could name freedom of speech.
Post by: lowtimer on September 14, 2017, 04:19:21 PM
Post by: nddons on September 14, 2017, 04:32:38 PM
The first amendment, that's mainly the "right to not be offended" isn't it? ::) ::) ::)That's exactly right, along with the Freedom FROM Religion clause. Damned Christians always playing that Winter Holiday music in December.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 14, 2017, 04:39:29 PM
https://cdn.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Appendix_Civics_survey_2017.pdf (https://cdn.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Appendix_Civics_survey_2017.pdf)
Post by: gerhardt on September 15, 2017, 08:34:47 AM
The ones that irk me the most are things like "70% of the population can't do 8th grade math". To be fair, I haven't had to do 8th grade math since 8th grade and certainly don't remember most of what I learned back then. Same with chemistry, history, geography, etc. Everyone has their own area of interest. I wouldn't expect an expert in math to remember much from his 8th grade history class.
As for the constitution, I know the basics, but am not a scholar in that area by any means. And then putting the words into actual practice would be impossible for me. If I'm stopped at a DUI checkpoint the cop could pretty much tell me anything and I'm not skilled enough to know if he's lying.
I'm smart enough to know that 1A only refers to the gov't interfering with my free speech. And I disagree with the way so many amendments are twisted. How stop and frisk is legal boggles the mind.
Don't get me wrong. I'm still standing by my assertion that the average citizen is a blooming idiot. But I don't think this poll helps prove my point.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 15, 2017, 09:24:37 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 15, 2017, 09:26:20 AM
A piss-poor poll. I've never been a fan of things like this anyway, designed to make the population look dumber than it reallly is. And I already thing it's pretty bad.
The ones that irk me the most are things like "70% of the population can't do 8th grade math". To be fair, I haven't had to do 8th grade math since 8th grade and certainly don't remember most of what I learned back then. Same with chemistry, history, geography, etc. Everyone has their own area of interest. I wouldn't expect an expert in math to remember much from his 8th grade history class.
As for the constitution, I know the basics, but am not a scholar in that area by any means. And then putting the words into actual practice would be impossible for me. If I'm stopped at a DUI checkpoint the cop could pretty much tell me anything and I'm not skilled enough to know if he's lying.
I'm smart enough to know that 1A only refers to the gov't interfering with my free speech. And I disagree with the way so many amendments are twisted. How stop and frisk is legal boggles the mind.
Don't get me wrong. I'm still standing by my assertion that the average citizen is a blooming idiot. But I don't think this poll helps prove my point.
All anyone needs to discern is: does the Constitution give you rights or does it protect your rights?
Funny how people have a problem with 4A but not 2A, which is (also) systemically violated every day.
BTW, in a traffic stop assume the cop is lying.
Post by: Little Joe on September 15, 2017, 09:30:15 AM
All anyone needs to discern is: does the Constitution give you rights or does it protect your rights?That's only fair because he KNOWS you will be lying.
Funny how people have a problem with 4A but not 2A, which is (also) systemically violated every day.
BTW, in a traffic stop assume the cop is lying.
Post by: lowtimer on September 15, 2017, 09:32:53 AM
A piss-poor poll. I've never been a fan of things like this anyway, designed to make the population look dumber than it reallly is. And I already thing it's pretty bad.
The ones that irk me the most are things like "70% of the population can't do 8th grade math". To be fair, I haven't had to do 8th grade math since 8th grade and certainly don't remember most of what I learned back then. Same with chemistry, history, geography, etc. Everyone has their own area of interest. I wouldn't expect an expert in math to remember much from his 8th grade history class.
As for the constitution, I know the basics, but am not a scholar in that area by any means. And then putting the words into actual practice would be impossible for me. If I'm stopped at a DUI checkpoint the cop could pretty much tell me anything and I'm not skilled enough to know if he's lying.
I'm smart enough to know that 1A only refers to the gov't interfering with my free speech. And I disagree with the way so many amendments are twisted. How stop and frisk is legal boggles the mind.
Don't get me wrong. I'm still standing by my assertion that the average citizen is a blooming idiot. But I don't think this poll helps prove my point.
At least your post confirms your assertion. :D
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 15, 2017, 10:57:56 AM
That's only fair because he KNOWS you will be lying.
Not necessarily, too many people don't know to keep their yappers shut when dealing with those guys.
Post by: gerhardt on September 15, 2017, 10:36:08 PM
Not necessarily, too many people don't know to keep their yappers shut when dealing with those guys.
Reminds me of the case from last year, maybe 2 years ago, where the court said you have to actually say that you're invoking your right to remain silent. That's just wrong.
Post by: LevelWing on September 15, 2017, 11:03:15 PM
All anyone needs to discern is: does the Constitution give you rights or does it protect your rights?The Constitution is a government limiting document.
Funny how people have a problem with 4A but not 2A, which is (also) systemically violated every day.
BTW, in a traffic stop assume the cop is lying.
Post by: Number7 on September 16, 2017, 04:21:34 PM
Too bad teachers can't simply teach, instead of toeing the leftist agenda.
Post by: Anthony on September 18, 2017, 09:28:20 AM
Post by: Jaybird180 on September 20, 2017, 08:46:51 AM
The Constitution is a government limiting document.Theory and Practice don't intersect, unfortunately.
Post by: LevelWing on September 20, 2017, 11:10:27 AM
Theory and Practice don't intersect, unfortunately.If you believe they should, you wouldn't be a liberal.
Post by: LevelWing on September 20, 2017, 11:11:23 AM
Theory and Practice don't intersect, unfortunately.Glad to see you posting again!
Post by: Jaybird180 on September 20, 2017, 11:41:56 AM
If you believe they should, you wouldn't be a liberal.Ummm....but I'm not a liberal. :o