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Title: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 05, 2023, 09:24:13 PM
RFK jr has announced he'll run for president as a Democrat.

Story: https://www.wsj.com/articles/robert-kennedy-jr-files-to-run-for-president-as-a-democrat-1149fd33?st=qq0sxk9fdcn2dt8&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink (https://www.wsj.com/articles/robert-kennedy-jr-files-to-run-for-president-as-a-democrat-1149fd33?st=qq0sxk9fdcn2dt8&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: nddons on April 06, 2023, 05:51:46 AM
Paywall
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Anthony on April 06, 2023, 06:28:14 AM
He's Anti-Vaxx mandates so the Dems will Doxx him. No shot.  You can't sway from the Partly Line one iota, or they destroy you, 
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on April 06, 2023, 06:52:03 AM
I thought we were done with dynasties.  My mistake.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Little Joe on April 06, 2023, 07:10:03 AM
Paywall
Not sure why I'm able to read it.  I don't have a subscription, but I did sign in one time through my local county library account.
Here is the first half of it.

Quote
WASHINGTON—Antivaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. filed paperwork Wednesday to run for president as a Democrat in a long-shot bid against President Biden.

Mr. Kennedy, son of former Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and nephew of former President John F. Kennedy, declared his candidacy by filing a statement with the Federal Election Commission. He joins self-help author and activist Marianne Williamson in a 2024 Democratic field that is unlikely to include any major challengers to Mr. Biden.

A White House spokesman declined to comment. Although he hasn’t formally launched his re-election campaign, Mr. Biden has repeatedly said he intends to seek a second term.

Mr. Kennedy, 69 years old, is a former environmental lawyer who has spent more than a decade pushing antivaccine conspiracy theories. He led a campaign casting doubt on Covid-19 vaccines and in 2021 saw his account removed by Instagram as part of Facebook’s and later its parent company Meta Plaforms Inc.’s efforts to crack down on false and misleading information about the virus.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2023, 08:05:05 AM
I’m glad to see someone take on the democrats.  More will join in. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: nddons on April 06, 2023, 08:41:03 AM
Not sure why I'm able to read it.  I don't have a subscription, but I did sign in one time through my local county library account.
Here is the first half of it.
You used to be able to copy the title of a WSJ article verbatim, paste it into a browser, and then read the entire article.  I haven’t tried that in years, so not sure it still works.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: nddons on April 06, 2023, 08:45:21 AM
I’m glad to see someone take on the democrats.  More will join in.
I agree. It will be fun.

This is exactly what his uncle Ted Kennedy did to Jimmy Carter in 1980. His slogan was “Teddy is Ready.”  Of course Reagan win that race.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 06, 2023, 08:45:52 AM
Paywall

Odd. The WSJ allows subscribers like myself to share some stories with non subscribers by providing shareable links. I suppose there may be limits in some cases.

The news story is heavily biased, but that is typical of the WSJ. The news reporting part  of the paper is very liberal while the editorial/opinion part is moderately conservative.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on April 06, 2023, 08:56:46 AM
I can read it. On Safari all I had to do was click around the popup and it vanished. On FireFox my adblockers blocked it and I can read the whole article.  I like this, but maybe it's just lip service:

Mr. Kennedy said on Twitter in March, “If I run, my top priority will be to end the corrupt merger between state and corporate power that has ruined our economy, shattered the middle class, polluted our landscapes and waters, poisoned our children, and robbed us of our values and freedoms.”

"End the CORRUPT MERGER BETWEEN STATE AND CORPORATE POWER".  Well, that right there is him admitting we live under a fascist regime. But I don't really know anything about him and whether he's credible, genuine, etc.  I certainly don't trust him at this point whatsoever. Why should I?
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Anthony on April 06, 2023, 09:03:18 AM
I can read it. On Safari all I had to do was click around the popup and it vanished. On FireFox my adblockers blocked it and I can read the whole article.  I like this, but maybe it's just lip service:

Mr. Kennedy said on Twitter in March, “If I run, my top priority will be to end the corrupt merger between state and corporate power that has ruined our economy, shattered the middle class, polluted our landscapes and waters, poisoned our children, and robbed us of our values and freedoms.”

"End the CORRUPT MERGER BETWEEN STATE AND CORPORATE POWER".  Well, that right there is him admitting we live under a fascist regime. But I don't really know anything about him and whether he's credible, genuine, etc.  I certainly don't trust him at this point whatsoever. Why should I?

He's a far left "environmentalist", I believe.  So, his notion of corruption may be the oil companies getting too much power in government, etc.  However, he is also anti Vaxx mandates, so it may ALSO mean the Pharma/Government Fascist, corrupt connections and dealings.  Or it could mean both as well as other things.  He has not articulated anything specific yet that I can find.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: nddons on April 06, 2023, 10:12:43 AM
I can read it. On Safari all I had to do was click around the popup and it vanished. On FireFox my adblockers blocked it and I can read the whole article.  I like this, but maybe it's just lip service:

Mr. Kennedy said on Twitter in March, “If I run, my top priority will be to end the corrupt merger between state and corporate power that has ruined our economy, shattered the middle class, polluted our landscapes and waters, poisoned our children, and robbed us of our values and freedoms.”

"End the CORRUPT MERGER BETWEEN STATE AND CORPORATE POWER".  Well, that right there is him admitting we live under a fascist regime. But I don't really know anything about him and whether he's credible, genuine, etc.  I certainly don't trust him at this point whatsoever. Why should I?
That is a classical liberal cause, which of course is verboten today, because corporate power is used almost exclusively for democrats’ power.

It could be fun, though I doubt we would get the same guy as his uncle, who created a “waitress sandwich” with Chris Dodd.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/30/infamous-waitress-sandwich-senator-chris-dodd-joins-bidens-vp-search-committee/
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 06, 2023, 03:24:48 PM
Not even worth discussing. He will be eliminated like his father and uncle if he gets too near the top with that cleaning up government stuff. 

Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2023, 11:59:58 PM
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Anthony on April 11, 2023, 02:53:44 AM
Tucker nails it as usual. Wow, these people are pure evil.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on May 17, 2023, 07:22:18 AM
No comment.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/05/is_rfk_jr_moving_to_the_left_in_his_campaign_for_the_democrat_presidential_nomination.html
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Anthony on May 17, 2023, 07:46:58 AM
He's got to win the Primary first. He's got no shot, the Democrats won't allow it.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Lucifer on May 17, 2023, 08:08:19 AM
RFK,Jr is building his base.

Personally I'm all for him getting the dim nomination.  I want to see him fracture the democrat party.

We will see a third party candidate in 2024, and by that I mean one that will split the vote.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Anthony on May 17, 2023, 11:08:36 AM
RFK,Jr is building his base.

Personally I'm all for him getting the dim nomination.  I want to see him fracture the democrat party.

We will see a third party candidate in 2024, and by that I mean one that will split the vote.

Don't worry, the Democrats have figured out how to manufacture fraudulent votes to overcome any 3rd party challenger also.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Lucifer on May 17, 2023, 11:14:05 AM
Don't worry, the Democrats have figured out how to manufacture fraudulent votes to overcome any 3rd party challenger also.

True.   They’ll hammer RFL, Jr but it turn will turn away more democrat voters.   

There’s a tipping point in which they won’t be able to overcome, even with cheating.   

The democrat party, as well as the RNC are alienating voters left and right.   Both parties are gonna find themselves in no man’s land. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 17, 2023, 11:22:12 AM
Joe Manchin is allegedly considering a presidential run under the No Labels party.  As expected Democrats are doing their best to stop No Labels from getting on the ballot in as many states as they can stop it.  Same problem the Libertarian, Green, and other third parties have run into for decades.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Lucifer on May 17, 2023, 11:34:12 AM
I firmly believe the third party vote split is to keep FJB out.   He and the radicals have done so much damage, and the moderate dims are in a full blown panic. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on May 17, 2023, 11:52:48 AM
Pretty sure I'm going to vote in the Dem primary, not the Rep, just to vote for Kennedy.  No point in me voting Rep, I can live with either Trump or DeSantis, and our county will be all in for Trump anyhow.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Little Joe on May 17, 2023, 12:54:53 PM
Pretty sure I'm going to vote in the Dem primary, not the Rep, just to vote for Kennedy.  No point in me voting Rep, I can live with either Trump or DeSantis, and our county will be all in for Trump anyhow.
Why are you going to vote for Kennedy in the Dem primary?
Since you really want Trump to win the general, I assume it is because you think Kennedy has less of a chance to win than Biden.  Is that it?
That could be risky.  Every faithful Dem is going to vote for whoever wins the Dem primary, but I think Kennedy has a better chance with Independents and some of the not-so-faithful Dems.  I could see Kennedy beating Trump.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on May 17, 2023, 02:25:28 PM
Why are you going to vote for Kennedy in the Dem primary?
Since you really want Trump to win the general, I assume it is because you think Kennedy has less of a chance to win than Biden.  Is that it?
That could be risky.  Every faithful Dem is going to vote for whoever wins the Dem primary, but I think Kennedy has a better chance with Independents and some of the not-so-faithful Dems.  I could see Kennedy beating Trump.

I calculate there is a 95% chance the Dems will cheat enough in the main election to put their candidate in the WH if Trump is the nominee.  And there is a 95% chance Trump will be the nominee if DeSantis runs, 100% chance if he doesn’t. (Excepting somebody dies.) 

So there is a better than 90% chance a Dem will “win” in 2024.  I would rather it be RFKJr than Biden.

Why should I vote Republican in the primary when my state will go for Trump regardless of my vote?  That’s probably 100%.  My vote would have no effect whatsoever.

On the other hand I’m not convinced Texas would 100% go for Biden, assuming Kennedy manages to get some traction.  People around here hate Biden.  I realize getting the Dems to let Kennedy win the primary is a long shot but there is a greater than zero chance of it no matter how small, and there is a possibility my vote could impact it.  So I’m going to use my vote where I see it might actually have some power.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on June 06, 2023, 12:45:11 PM
WOW, starting about 25 mins in, RFKJr thanks Elon for standing up for free speech, and then Elon gives a very emotional speech about why he lives in America and how he feels about America.  It got to me.

But I wouldn't fast forward to it, I recommend listening to the whole thing, I'm liking what I hear RFKJr is saying.  Of course I'm only about halfway through, so don't know if he's going to say something I don't like...

https://twitter.com/AwakenWithJP/status/1665797399573348353
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on June 06, 2023, 12:56:40 PM
Wow, he explains how Obama got Obamacare passed by making a deal with Big Pharma and how that is what flip flopped Big Pharma being on the side of Democrats instead of Republicans and why we got into the wars in the Mideast and a whole bunch of interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on June 06, 2023, 01:13:12 PM
Not sure I agree with him on regulating AI. 

I disagree on nuclear power.  Elon gives a good counter on nuclear.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on June 06, 2023, 01:40:30 PM
About done.  Bottom line:   The Uniparty will never let this man be elected.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Lucifer on June 06, 2023, 02:00:59 PM
About done.  Bottom line:   The Uniparty will never let this man be elected.

  He's eating into FJB.    It's hilarious the press labels him as "no threat" and not a legitimate candidate, while he polls almost exactly at the same level as RDS.

  The third party candidate is still looming to split the vote to deny FJB another term.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Anthony on June 06, 2023, 02:17:10 PM
Not sure I agree with him on regulating AI. 

I disagree on nuclear power.  Elon gives a good counter on nuclear.

AI is scary but I'm not ready for government regulating it. However, it has the very real potential for a Skynet scenario.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Rush on June 06, 2023, 02:24:31 PM
AI is scary but I'm not ready for government regulating it. However, it has the very real potential for a Skynet scenario.

I suspect the government wants control of it and so is promoting fearmongering of it, but I also am very wary of it.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Anthony on June 06, 2023, 02:43:47 PM
I suspect the government wants control of it and so is promoting fearmongering of it, but I also am very wary of it.

Government wants to control every aspect of our lives and if we don't fight back we're right back to 1775 or worse, 1933.
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 06, 2023, 03:30:27 PM
WOW, starting about 25 mins in, RFKJr thanks Elon for standing up for free speech, and then Elon gives a very emotional speech about why he lives in America and how he feels about America.  It got to me.

But I wouldn't fast forward to it, I recommend listening to the whole thing, I'm liking what I hear RFKJr is saying.  Of course I'm only about halfway through, so don't know if he's going to say something I don't like...

https://twitter.com/AwakenWithJP/status/1665797399573348353 (https://twitter.com/AwakenWithJP/status/1665797399573348353)
Bookmarked
Title: Re: Biden vs Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Post by: Number7 on June 06, 2023, 06:02:27 PM
About done.  Bottom line:   The Uniparty will never let this man be elected.

The cia and fbi murdered RFK to keep him from upsetting the bribe machines so I guess your point needs to be looked at seriously.