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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on June 30, 2023, 07:04:27 AM

Title: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Little Joe on June 30, 2023, 07:04:27 AM
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Seven fatal shootings have rocked Daytona Beach since the beginning of the year and police officials said they have plans to combat the rise in gun violence.

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The strategies designed to fight the wave of gun violence include an intensified collaboration with local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies to enhance intelligence sharing and coordination of all enforcement efforts, the chief said.

“This joint approach allows us to pool our expertise and resources to identify, apprehend, and prosecute those responsible for perpetuating violence in our community,” the chief said.
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/crime/2023/06/28/shootings-prompt-police-action-in-daytona-beach/70364053007/

Nothing about taking our guns away. 

In fact, DeSantis recently signed into law concealed carry without a permit.
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/volusia/2023/06/27/starting-july-1-no-permit-needed-in-florida-for-carrying-a-concealed-firearm/70358212007/


Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 30, 2023, 07:06:13 AM
Bingo.  It’s not the guns, it’s the people committing violence without respecting the rights of other people
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Number7 on June 30, 2023, 07:21:46 AM
Until the black community, and their owner/masters in the democrat communist party address Black-on-Black violence, you can spend trillions and still not affect the problem.

When 13% 0of the population is responsible for 85% of the gun violence, the problem is easy to spot, but the enemies in the democrat party have no intention of addressing black-on-black violence, because it is a nother tool in their communist tool kit to subjugate the people and maintain their power.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Rush on June 30, 2023, 07:38:19 AM
Until the black community, and their owner/masters in the democrat communist party address Black-on-Black violence, you can spend trillions and still not affect the problem.

When 13% 0of the population is responsible for 85% of the gun violence, the problem is easy to spot, but the enemies in the democrat party have no intention of addressing black-on-black violence, because it is a nother tool in their communist tool kit to subjugate the people and maintain their power.

They use the prolific black on black inner city gun violence to justify taking away guns from law abiding peaceful rural whites, AND law abiding peaceful blacks.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: nddons on June 30, 2023, 07:44:22 AM
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/crime/2023/06/28/shootings-prompt-police-action-in-daytona-beach/70364053007/

Nothing about taking our guns away. 

In fact, DeSantis recently signed into law concealed carry without a permit.
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/volusia/2023/06/27/starting-july-1-no-permit-needed-in-florida-for-carrying-a-concealed-firearm/70358212007/
Yet Trump banned bump stocks and called for red flag laws.

“Or, Mike, take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early. Like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida, he had a lot of firearms – they saw everything – to go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/10/14/fact-check-trump-made-comment-taking-guns-without-due-process/6070319001/
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Rush on June 30, 2023, 07:48:09 AM
Yet Trump banned bump stocks and called for red flag laws.

“Or, Mike, take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early. Like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida, he had a lot of firearms – they saw everything – to go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/10/14/fact-check-trump-made-comment-taking-guns-without-due-process/6070319001/

DeSantis said similar stuff.  Both are still better than Biden.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Steingar on June 30, 2023, 11:39:11 AM
Wake me up when some of this shit works.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Lucifer on June 30, 2023, 12:13:45 PM
Wake me up when some of this shit works.

  It does in states that take it seriously.

  In the blue shithole states and major cities run by the democrat communist, it doesn't work.  Look at Chicago, toughest gun laws in the US, yet has the highest gun crimes.   Ever wonder why?   (hint: It's not about the guns)
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Rush on June 30, 2023, 12:15:13 PM
The problem with “gun” violence isn’t guns.  Fatherless, jobless, hopeless young males at loose ends is the main problem.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Lucifer on June 30, 2023, 12:25:01 PM
The problem with “gun” violence isn’t guns.  Fatherless, jobless, hopeless young males at loose ends is the main problem.

  But democrat policies promote Fatherless, jobless, young males.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Rush on June 30, 2023, 12:34:58 PM
  But democrat policies promote Fatherless, jobless, young males.

The data all shows that this problem began with the Democrat social programs. Before that most blacks were born into two parent homes.  There were other factors involved but the biggest was when they started paying women NOT to marry a man.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Little Joe on June 30, 2023, 12:55:12 PM
The data all shows that this problem began with the Democrat social programs. Before that most blacks were born into two parent homes.  There were other factors involved but the biggest was when they started paying women NOT to marry a man.
My worthless nephew still won't marry his 3-time baby mama because "she'll lose her benefits".
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Rush on June 30, 2023, 02:30:58 PM
My worthless nephew still won't marry his 3-time baby mama because "she'll lose her benefits".

Vivek said it very well:

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1674816653241073665

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We have a bad habit in America of paying people to do the exact opposite of what we want them to do: more $$ to stay at home than to work, more $$ to be a single mother than married, more $$ for those who *fail* to repay loans than those who do.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Anthony on June 30, 2023, 03:09:02 PM
Almost half the States in this territory, formerly the USA, have Constitutional Carry. No permit required to conceal carry. If you can LEGALLY possess a firearm you can carry it without the consent of The Crown.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Lucifer on July 02, 2023, 09:25:51 AM
Wake me up when some of this shit works.

  How about a few facts?

   The US rates 3rd in the world for murders.   However, if you remove

1) Chicago
2) Detroit
3) Washington DC
4) St Louis
5) New Orleans

 The US is now 189th out of 193 countries worldwide.  And those 5 cities are ran by democrats with strict gun laws.


  Also, when a cop shoots someone, it's the cop's fault.  However, when a criminal shoots one, it's suddenly the gun's fault.   How is that?

  And finally, please show us the list of NRA members that have been involved in mass shootings.   I'll wait.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Anthony on July 02, 2023, 11:16:33 AM
  How about a few facts?

   The US rates 3rd in the world for murders.   However, if you remove

1) Chicago
2) Detroit
3) Washington DC
4) St Louis
5) New Orleans

 The US is now 189th out of 193 countries worldwide.  And those 5 cities are ran by democrats with strict gun laws.


  Also, when a cop shoots someone, it's the cop's fault.  However, when a criminal shoots one, it's suddenly the gun's fault.   How is that?

  And finally, please show us the list of NRA members that have been involved in mass shootings.   I'll wait.

^^^^^^This. All of it. We have an inner city Black problem not a gun problem. Democrat DAs let them plea down the gun charges and theses scum with already multiple felonies and gun felonies WALK or spend little time in jail.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 02, 2023, 05:05:07 PM
  How about a few facts?

   The US rates 3rd in the world for murders.   However, if you remove

1) Chicago
2) Detroit
3) Washington DC
4) St Louis
5) New Orleans

 The US is now 189th out of 193 countries worldwide.  And those 5 cities are ran by democrats with strict gun laws.

Where do I find the data to actually back this up?
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Lucifer on July 02, 2023, 05:45:11 PM
Where do I find the data to actually back this up?

Research.   
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 03, 2023, 05:28:01 AM
what's that saying?  98.7% of all statistics are made up?

Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 03, 2023, 05:38:10 AM
Where do I find the data to actually back this up?

Using the wonder.cdc.gov site, it's easy to find data for states and the US.  However, finding data on the individual cities is a bit more challenging.

Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Little Joe on July 03, 2023, 05:45:45 AM
  How about a few facts?

   The US rates 3rd in the world for murders.   However, if you remove

1) Chicago
2) Detroit
3) Washington DC
4) St Louis
5) New Orleans

 The US is now 189th out of 193 countries worldwide.  And those 5 cities are ran by democrats with strict gun laws.


  Also, when a cop shoots someone, it's the cop's fault.  However, when a criminal shoots one, it's suddenly the gun's fault.   How is that?

  And finally, please show us the list of NRA members that have been involved in mass shootings.   I'll wait.
What would happen to that statistic if those 193 countries subtracted the murders of their 5 most dangerous cities?

What is that saying about statistics?
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Anthony on July 03, 2023, 05:46:39 AM
Where do I find the data to actually back this up?

FBI keeps the stats, but since they've been compromised, I'm not so sure they're accurate any longer, but that's a start.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Anthony on July 03, 2023, 05:49:16 AM
What would happen to that statistic if those 193 countries subtracted the murders of their 5 most dangerous cities?

What is that saying about statistics?

Good point, but the U.S. is somewhat unique in the Demographic make up of inner cities. However, with Europe and England voluntarily importing Muslim young men, it will depend upon where they've settled.  It's not always big cities.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Little Joe on July 03, 2023, 06:07:14 AM
  How about a few facts?

   The US rates 3rd in the world for murders.   However, if you remove

1) Chicago
2) Detroit
3) Washington DC
4) St Louis
5) New Orleans

 The US is now 189th out of 193 countries worldwide.  And those 5 cities are ran by democrats with strict gun laws.
Is the above statistic based on numbers of murders, or murder rates?
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 03, 2023, 07:01:47 AM
Is the above statistic based on numbers of murders, or murder rates?

Given the population of the US vs other countries... I would have to say that it is talking about murder rates.

Absolute numbers are usually meaningless when comparing populations numbers that are vastly different.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Little Joe on July 03, 2023, 07:15:22 AM
Given the population of the US vs other countries... I would have to say that it is talking about murder rates.

Absolute numbers are usually meaningless when comparing populations numbers that are vastly different.
Agree whole heartedly. But give people a way to twist statistics, they will.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Little Joe on July 04, 2023, 04:06:14 AM
  How about a few facts?

   The US rates 3rd in the world for murders.   However, if you remove

1) Chicago
2) Detroit
3) Washington DC
4) St Louis
5) New Orleans

 The US is now 189th out of 193 countries worldwide.  And those 5 cities are ran by democrats with strict gun laws.
I'm kind of surprised Baltimore is not in that list.
Does anyone know anything about the recent shooting in Baltimore that killed 2 and wounded 28?
I'm guessing the shooters weren't white racist MAGA types.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Anthony on July 04, 2023, 06:51:13 AM
I'm kind of surprised Baltimore is not in that list.
Does anyone know anything about the recent shooting in Baltimore that killed 2 and wounded 28?
I'm guessing the shooters weren't white racist MAGA types.

Typical, inner city Black thug violence. Of course the Democrats blame the gun but ignore that the shooters are most likely already convicted felons and prohibited from touching a gun.
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Little Joe on July 04, 2023, 07:00:48 AM
Typical, inner city Black thug violence.
If that's true, why have I not read the word "Black" in any of the articles?
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on July 04, 2023, 08:25:36 AM
I'm kind of surprised Baltimore is not in that list.
Does anyone know anything about the recent shooting in Baltimore that killed 2 and wounded 28?
I'm guessing the shooters weren't white racist MAGA types.

So far, no word on the "suspects" they are looking for.

Also, in Philly they have captured the "suspect" from last night but haven't identified him except his age (4) and weapons. Dem leaders are working on the "narrative."
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: texasag93 on July 05, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
The suspect does not fit the narrative.

 https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/kimbrady-carriker-ided-as-philadelphia-gunman-accused-of-killing-5/ (https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/kimbrady-carriker-ided-as-philadelphia-gunman-accused-of-killing-5/)
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: Lucifer on July 05, 2023, 08:47:45 AM
Still waiting to see the manifesto the Nashville tranny left.   ::)
Title: Re: Here's how we deal with "gun violence" in Florida.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on July 05, 2023, 01:01:35 PM
The suspect does not fit the narrative.

 https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/kimbrady-carriker-ided-as-philadelphia-gunman-accused-of-killing-5/ (https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/kimbrady-carriker-ided-as-philadelphia-gunman-accused-of-killing-5/)

last I checked, Philly Inquirer, CNN, etc did not post a picture of the perp, so I knew they were working on the Narrative.

update, story is getting buried under links, there's a mugshot sans trans regalia.