PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President in Exile YOLT on November 10, 2016, 03:17:38 PM
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"Canada PM says ready to renegotiate NAFTA with Trump"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-pm-trudeau-says-ready-renegotiate-nafta-trump-165713892.html
"Mexico says ready to 'modernize' NAFTA with Trump"
https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2016/Nov-10/380652-mexico-says-ready-to-modernize-nafta-with-trump.ashx
"The Trans-Pacific Partnership is dead, Schumer tells labor leaders"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/10/the-trans-pacific-partnership-is-dead-schumer-tells-labor-leaders/
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He sure has a way with "sprucing things up" a bit......
I suspect he'll add 15-20 floors with a nice placial penthouse at the top.
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He sure has a way with "sprucing things up" a bit......
I suspect he'll add 15-20 floors with a nice placial penthouse at the top.
;D Who picks up the tab? ;D
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;D Who picks up the tab? ;D
The Democrats. 8)
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The Democrats. 8)
LOL! Perhaps shared with Mexico? :D
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LOL! Perhaps shared with Mexico? :D
Mexicans? Democrats? Same thing. :)
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Mexicans? Democrats? Same thing. :)
Ya got me there!! ;D
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;D Who picks up the tab? ;D
He'll just take out loans for the renovation under a business name, then have the business file for bankruptcy.
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That's just nit-picking, whining.
A businessman looks at the federal government as a business and sees the disaster the establishment created.
Establishment weenies look at any positive change as a threat to their power.
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He'll just take out loans for the renovation under a business name, then have the business file for bankruptcy.
Just threaten Mexico with Trade Embargoes for non U.S. company goods, and you will see them pay for the wall. They are causing the problem with illegal aliens coming to the U.S. Let them fix it. Trump has more success in business than he has had failure, a lot more.
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He'll just take out loans for the renovation under a business name, then have the business file for bankruptcy.
Like Solyndra?
BTW, has anyone gone to jail over that?
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Just threaten Mexico with Trade Embargoes for non U.S. company goods, and you will see them pay for the wall. They are causing the problem with illegal aliens coming to the U.S. Let them fix it. Trump has more success in business than he has had failure, a lot more.
Well that would be fun!. Would you follow through on that threat if Mexico still refuses? An embargo would be devastating to Mexico in the short term, creating more people with nothing left to lose. So... we slap that embargo, Mexico come back and says, OK, y'know that 500,000 barrels/day of oil we ship you, China said they would take it all at a slightly above market price - all they asked is we let them use a small patch of land near Tijuana for a military base, we weren't using the land anyway. Also, all those cars manufactured in Mexico now have a 10% exit tax. And, by the way, we are buying Airbus, not Boeings.
Yes, that is extreme, but playing international tit-for-tat, while satisfying, does have consequences.
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Well that would be fun!. Would you follow through on that threat if Mexico still refuses? An embargo would be devastating to Mexico in the short term, creating more people with nothing left to lose. So... we slap that embargo, Mexico come back and says, OK, y'know that 500,000 barrels/day of oil we ship you, China said they would take it all at a slightly above market price - all they asked is we let them use a small patch of land near Tijuana for a military base, we weren't using the land anyway. Also, all those cars manufactured in Mexico now have a 10% exit tax. And, by the way, we are buying Airbus, not Boeings.
Yes, that is extreme, but playing international tit-for-tat, while satisfying, does have consequences.
1) Oil independence. Use our resources (which are abundant) and stop buying from countries that don't like the US.
2) China put a military base in Tijuana? No problem, we beef up our military in the area and strongly enforce our border.
3) Cars coming from Mexico have new import tax? No problem, bring the manufacturing back to the US, no import tax (and US gets the jobs, added bonus)
4) They buy Airbus and not Boeing? No problem, Airbus has a plant in Mobile, AL. Airbus does not have a plant in Mexico or SA.
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Well that would be fun!. Would you follow through on that threat if Mexico still refuses? An embargo would be devastating to Mexico in the short term, creating more people with nothing left to lose. So... we slap that embargo, Mexico come back and says, OK, y'know that 500,000 barrels/day of oil we ship you, China said they would take it all at a slightly above market price - all they asked is we let them use a small patch of land near Tijuana for a military base, we weren't using the land anyway. Also, all those cars manufactured in Mexico now have a 10% exit tax. And, by the way, we are buying Airbus, not Boeings.
Yes, that is extreme, but playing international tit-for-tat, while satisfying, does have consequences.
Playing tit-for-tat with someone with way bigger tits than your tats can backfire. And Mexicans hate the Chinese way more than we do.
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China.
Folks, the Chinese need us more than we need them. Let that sink in for a few.
The Chinese have created an economy that is dependent on the world to buy their stuff. The US is one of their largest markets. If the US cut back 20% of buying their goods, their (Chinese) economy collapses. This is why I laugh when people talk about China creating a war with the US. Starting a war with your largest trading partner, when that partner buys the majority of your goods makes no sense.
China places exsessive tariffs on many US goods, yet we bring in their crap by the container ship loads.
The Chinese have manipulated their currency to keep trade going. We are not beholden to China the way some would like for you to believe.
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1) Oil independence. Use our resources (which are abundant) and stop buying from countries that don't like the US.
2) China put a military base in Tijuana? No problem, we beef up our military in the area and strongly enforce our border.
3) Cars coming from Mexico have new import tax? No problem, bring the manufacturing back to the US, no import tax (and US gets the jobs, added bonus)
4) They buy Airbus and not Boeing? No problem, Airbus has a plant in Mobile, AL. Airbus does not have a plant in Mexico or SA.
1.) We ain't there yet. You advocating that the US government tell the US oil majors that they can only buy from an "approved" list of suppliers?
2.) So we build bigger walls with more barbed wire and escalate? Where you gonna come up with the revenue to do that, borrow more?
3.) Suspect that the execs at GM, Ford, Honda...will not be happy when you tell them their investments in Mexico have just gone down the tubes AND they now need to expend additional capital to relocate to the US.
4.) We embargoed Mexico, can't ship airplanes from Mobile AL to Mexico. However, Airbus will be more than willing to sell Mexico airplanes manufactured in Toulouse.
Trade wars don't help anyone.
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1.) We ain't there yet. You advocating that the US government tell the US oil majors that they can only buy from an "approved" list of suppliers?
2.) So we build bigger walls with more barbed wire and escalate? Where you gonna come up with the revenue to do that, borrow more?
3.) Suspect that the execs at GM, Ford, Honda...will not be happy when you tell them their investments in Mexico have just gone down the tubes AND they now need to expend additional capital to relocate to the US.
4.) We embargoed Mexico, can't ship airplanes from Mobile AL to Mexico. However, Airbus will be more than willing to sell Mexico airplanes manufactured in Toulouse.
Trade wars don't help anyone.
Nice delusional twist. Hopefully you recognize everything you wrote above is fear mongering with no basis in reality.
Or maybe you don't.
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Good points Gary. I have a feeling that Trump will be a little more level headed than his staunchest supporters on this forum.
At least I hope so.
I'm willing to give him a chance (which says more than anyone said about Obama on this forum). I hope he succeeds, because I fear his failure may become a disaster.
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Good points Gary. I have a feeling that Trump will be a little more level headed than his staunchest supporters on this forum.
At least I hope so.
I'm willing to give him a chance (which says more than anyone said about Obama on this forum). I hope he succeeds, because I fear his failure may become a disaster.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Trump didn't go into this promising "fundamental transformation". McCain/Romney supporters didn't riot after losing.
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1.) We ain't there yet. You advocating that the US government tell the US oil majors that they can only buy from an "approved" list of suppliers?
2.) So we build bigger walls with more barbed wire and escalate? Where you gonna come up with the revenue to do that, borrow more?
3.) Suspect that the execs at GM, Ford, Honda...will not be happy when you tell them their investments in Mexico have just gone down the tubes AND they now need to expend additional capital to relocate to the US.
4.) We embargoed Mexico, can't ship airplanes from Mobile AL to Mexico. However, Airbus will be more than willing to sell Mexico airplanes manufactured in Toulouse.
Trade wars don't help anyone.
Those are all failure answers that have been beaten into people's heads by government leeches who never did anything but live off of those who have.
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Trade wars don't help anyone.
You obviously don't understand trade and are willing to accept liberal and MSM answers.
Allowing other countries the right to freely use our market place as their retail outlet while placing tariffs on our products sold in their country is not "free trade". Countries manipulating their currency in order to tip the balance of trade is not "free trade".
Trump has it right when he lamented about how awful the trade agreements are that our government negotiated. Too many of our "government officials" that negotiated these lousy deals got theirs through lobbyist and insider deals, hence no concern on what it did to our markets. The TPP was an excellent example of that.
The playing field needs to be leveled. We need to put our country first when negotiating. The liberals will continue fear mongering on trade because they have been indoctrinated that we as Americans are too powerful and we need to be taken down a few notches. And we need to "help" these emerging countries build their trade at our expense.
Spend some time outside of the US if you want to see our trade problems in action. Try to buy American goods in several countries and see the inflated prices, or even if they offer it. You can buy Chinese inferior products here and all over the world cheap. In the ports of China you see container ships leaving full and coming back almost empty.
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1.) We ain't there yet. You advocating that the US government tell the US oil majors that they can only buy from an "approved" list of suppliers?
2.) So we build bigger walls with more barbed wire and escalate? Where you gonna come up with the revenue to do that, borrow more?
3.) Suspect that the execs at GM, Ford, Honda...will not be happy when you tell them their investments in Mexico have just gone down the tubes AND they now need to expend additional capital to relocate to the US.
4.) We embargoed Mexico, can't ship airplanes from Mobile AL to Mexico. However, Airbus will be more than willing to sell Mexico airplanes manufactured in Toulouse.
Trade wars don't help anyone.
Wait a second guys. Gary has some good points. Tariffs, and Trade Embargoes DON'T WORK! They only raise domestic prices artificially. We need a planned, scheduled approach with financial incentives, not penalties in order to lure them back.
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Wait a second guys. Gary has some good points. Tariffs, and Trade Embargoes DON'T WORK! They only raise domestic prices artificially. We need a planned, scheduled approach with financial incentives, not penalties in order to lure them back.
Who's talking penalties? Country A says "We want to import our goods to the USA with no tariffs". Then they add, "We will let the USA import goods to our country, but there will be a tariff with restrictions".
USA says "Uh, excuse us, but if you want that, then you need to reciprocate and allow us to export to you with the same deal we offered you".
Country A exclaims "That's not fair!, that will cost us by allowing your goods to compete with our local goods".
Again, explain to me how wanting a level playing field is bad for us? Companies in the US would love to open other markets if they are not penalized. Why, does it make sense to let other countries penalize us and we do nothing?