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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on October 17, 2023, 09:01:25 AM
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Open Sex Markets 24 Hours A Day’: In Wake Of Dem-Backed Law, Prostitution Spreads In California
It could only happen in somewhere where the people are as dumb as AOC, the government corrupt as Chicago, and an educational syndicate as bereft of intelligence and integrity as mikey weinstein.
Californians are complaining about barely-clothed prostitutes roaming the streets in broad daylight, an issue heightened by Democratic Gov. Newsom signing Senate Bill 357, local officials say.
SB 357, which was authored by Democratic state Sen. Scott Wiener and backed by the ACLU, decriminalizes “loitering with intent to commit prostitution.” Critics say the law effectively decriminalizes prostitution in California.
National City Mayor Ron Morrison, an independent, recently criticized the law, telling Fox News that prostitutes are now “wearing less than what you would consider a scanty negligee” and “flaunting it in everybody’s face.”
Morrison also said the law, which was signed by Newsom last year, ties the hands of law enforcement, stating that the “moment” the bill was signed “everyone knew the rules were out the window.”
San Diego Police Chief David Nisleit, likewise, told The Daily Wire that the law has “made it extremely difficult” for police to get involved.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/open-sex-markets-24-hours-a-day-in-wake-of-dem-backed-law-prostitution-spreads-in-california
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Prostitution that is not coerced should not be illegal.
And people who have an issue with barely clothed people probably should also stay away from using the internet.
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Prostitution that is not coerced should not be illegal.
And people who have an issue with barely clothed people probably should also stay away from using the internet.
Thank you for the instruction on how liberals decided we are allowed to to think.
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Thank you for the instruction on how liberals decided we are allowed to to think.
You can think anything you like. If you want force used against women you don't approve of you should man-up and do it yourself instead of employing proxies.
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You can think anything you like. If you want force used against women you don't approve of you should man-up and do it yourself instead of employing proxies.
See... I distinctly remember nancy pelosi claiming the climate change caused prostitution, not mean males.
Your bullshit aside, it's the inevitable downside that the writer was commenting upon, not your pathetic need to lecture to make yourself feel superior.
Of course drag shows to four year olds has been such a positive thing for children, you probably think that warped logic should apply to everything, everywhere.
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Prostitution that is not coerced should not be illegal.
And people who have an issue with barely clothed people probably should also stay away from using the internet.
Prostitution is the product of human trafficking. We as a society have determined that women and girls will not be trafficked by sub-human predators.
Good luck determining what prostitution is coerced and what is not.
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The explosion in demand for prostitution is directly related to feminism and the breakdown of normal relations between men and women. Women want careers in their 20s, not husbands and families, because that’s what they’ve been told to want. If a male looks at them sideways nevermind ask for a date they get slapped with sex harassment charges. When women do want a man either for sex or marriage, they only go for the top 5 or 10% and because of online dating their pool has expanded way beyond their local town or neighborhood. The bottom 90-95% of men are left with no option except jerking off to porn or hiring a prostitute.
I’m a libertarian, it should be legal. Government has no business interfering in a private consensual transaction between myself and another person. But in this culture of man-hating hypergamous women and sex starved men shamed for just being male nevermind having a sex drive at all you’ve created a dystopian landscape where repressed normal biological drives have no outlet except in literal fiscal transactions with women too stupid and uneducated to earn a living doing anything else.
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Prostitution is the product of human trafficking. We as a society have determined that women and girls will not be trafficked by sub-human predators.
Good luck determining what prostitution is coerced and what is not.
Trafficking is one cause of prostitution, but not the only one. There are many reasons, and most of them are pitiful, but if that is what a woman chooses (not forced) to do, then it should be legal. Regulated perhaps, but not illegal.
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Trafficking is one cause of prostitution, but not the only one. There are many reasons, and most of them are pitiful, but if that is what a woman chooses (not forced) to do, then it should be legal. Regulated perhaps, but not illegal.
Why not go further and tax it as well.
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Why not go further and tax it as well.
Good idea, but there might be a problem with enforcement. She would probably just fuck the tax collector.
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Why not go further and tax it as well.
I think they do where it’s legal.
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I think they do where it’s legal.
Not positive but I think in Nevada for one.
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The explosion in demand for prostitution is directly related to feminism and the breakdown of normal relations between men and women.
Nah it’s called the world’s oldest profession as it’s been around forever. This Calipornia law allows it to be more in the open, in your face if you will.
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Not positive but I think in Nevada for one.
I think Nevada is the only state that allows it. And they do pay federal income tax:
While brothels and prostitutes are subject to federal income tax and also pay local fees, Nevada has no state income tax, and brothels are exempt from the state entertainment tax and do not pay any other state taxes. In 2005, brothel owners lobbied to be taxed in order to increase the legitimacy of the business, but the legislature declined.[14] Brothels pay taxes to their respective counties. Lyon County receives approximately $400,000 to $500,000 per year from these taxes.[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada
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It saddens me to see otherwise intelligent adults debating how ok it is for women to be forced onto their backs, trafficked across oceans, used by scum like chuck schumer as young as three and four on Epstein’s private island, and then one poster gets his asshole in a twist because some of us still have enough backbone lef to say it is wrong.
I hate the way leftists and other forms of human sewage justify the debasement of children and wrap it into a mind your own business argument so pathetic I really want to smack you hard enough to find out if you even have a fucking brain your argument is so demented.
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I think Nevada is the only state that allows it. And they do pay federal income tax:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada
It's been legal in New Zealand since 2003:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_New_Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_New_Zealand)
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It saddens me to see otherwise intelligent adults debating how ok it is for women to be forced onto their backs, trafficked across oceans, used by scum like chuck schumer as young as three and four on Epstein’s private island, and then one poster gets his asshole in a twist because some of us still have enough backbone lef to say it is wrong.
I hate the way leftists and other forms of human sewage justify the debasement of children and wrap it into a mind your own business argument so pathetic I really want to smack you hard enough to find out if you even have a fucking brain your argument is so demented.
Just to be clear, I’m for legalizing prostitution only between consenting adults.
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Just to be clear, I’m for legalizing prostitution only between consenting adults.
The challenge is to show the adults are really consenting and not being coerced.
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It saddens me to see otherwise intelligent adults debating how ok it is for women to be forced onto their backs, trafficked across oceans, used by scum like chuck schumer as young as three and four on Epstein’s private island, and then one poster gets his asshole in a twist because some of us still have enough backbone lef to say it is wrong.
I hate the way leftists and other forms of human sewage justify the debasement of children and wrap it into a mind your own business argument so pathetic I really want to smack you hard enough to find out if you even have a fucking brain your argument is so demented.
Agreed.
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Agreed.
Thanks.
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The challenge is to show the adults are really consenting and not being coerced.
Unless literal force or threats are being employed there is a certain age after which you must assume an adult woman has agency.
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It saddens me to see otherwise intelligent adults debating how ok it is for women to be forced ....
Can you provide a quote from any post on this thread that claims such force is Ok?
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The explosion in demand for prostitution is directly related to feminism and the breakdown of normal relations between men and women. Women want careers in their 20s, not husbands and families, because that’s what they’ve been told to want. If a male looks at them sideways nevermind ask for a date they get slapped with sex harassment charges. When women do want a man either for sex or marriage, they only go for the top 5 or 10% and because of online dating their pool has expanded way beyond their local town or neighborhood. The bottom 90-95% of men are left with no option except jerking off to porn or hiring a prostitute.
I’m a libertarian, it should be legal. Government has no business interfering in a private consensual transaction between myself and another person. But in this culture of man-hating hypergamous women and sex starved men shamed for just being male nevermind having a sex drive at all you’ve created a dystopian landscape where repressed normal biological drives have no outlet except in literal fiscal transactions with women too stupid and uneducated to earn a living doing anything else.
There's an element of that, but from what I'm seeing it's more the guy's fault as they're wrapped up in video games and vaping Weed. The girls are more focused, motivated and confident. Again, not all. I'm generalizing based on what I see.
Yes, society, pop culture, MEDIA, social media, education, etc.,has done this to Men. It's criminal, but not all are infected. I try to teach them.
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Can you provide a quote from any post on this thread that claims such force is Ok?
Waffling now, you little twit?
So busy rationalizing your pathetic left wing bullshit.
You can’t help yourself, you HAVE to pretend to be so fucking superior, then try to pretend you aren’t rationalizing the brutal subjugation of girls thru sexual slavery.
What a fucking joke.
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There's an element of that, but from what I'm seeing it's more the guy's fault as they're wrapped up in video games and vaping Weed. The girls are more focused, motivated and confident. Again, not all. I'm generalizing based on what I see.
Yes, society, pop culture, MEDIA, social media, education, etc.,has done this to Men. It's criminal, but not all are infected. I try to teach them.
True, there is a whole unrelated problem with technology when you raise children with smart phones and computers. It seems to be literally changing their brain structures. Shorter attention spans unless they are receiving a dopamine rush like with gaming or being on Tic Toc for hours. Instant “knowledge” where they can look stuff up on google and never have to crack a book. Shallow acquaintance of a subject instead of depth of knowledge. I don’t want to sound like the people who thought television would be the end of humanity. AI is going to accelerate the decline of the human mind just as labor saving machinery has resulted in our physical weakness.
There’s a school that banned cellphones in the classroom and apparently the kids do significantly better.
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It's been legal in New Zealand since 2003:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_New_Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_New_Zealand)
So is the sexual molestation of children, which you condone thru your fucking pretense of liberal superiority.
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Waffling now, you little twit?
So busy rationalizing your pathetic left wing bullshit.
You can’t help yourself, you HAVE to pretend to be so fucking superior, then try to pretend you aren’t rationalizing the brutal subjugation of girls thru sexual slavery.
What a fucking joke.
You have a tendency to engage in straw-man arguments intermixed with insults. The way I see it you are the one arguing for slavery of women - you want laws that control what they can do with their own bodies.
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You have a tendency to engage in straw-man arguments intermixed with insults. The way I see it you are the one arguing for slavery of women - you want laws that control what they can do with their own bodies.
Very cute but deeply delusional.
Save your bullshit, jim.
You outed yourself by your own objections. Everybody knows two things about you.
You have to pay for it, and you have no conscience when it comes to human trafficking and sexual slavery. That is probably because you have to oay for it, which made you hate women and by extension feel gratified when they are used, abused, and get disciplined for their sins of not giving up to you for free.
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There are too few good men. If men controlled their sexual urges, conducted themselves with high standards and values, and respected a woman’s body and cherished and were faithful to one woman as their wife, prostitution would not exist and abortion would scarcely be done.
I’m not saying women become prostitutes solely because they have no good man to cherish them, but if they do, they don’t. You’re pretty much left with abandoned yet still attractive mothers trying to support children, and nymphomaniacs, or women stuck in the trade as they age. To me, men using these women for their own sexual gratification are monsters. It’s sex with no relationship. The real-world consequences can be deadly or lead to more and more suffering.
Men are letting women down in our culture. We’re in it together and we need to work together.
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Men are letting women down in our culture. We’re in it together and we need to work together.
Ignoring everything else in your post that I disagree with, I will ask why you single out "our culture"? Prostitution is the "oldest profession" in every culture. Why is that?
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Ignoring everything else in your post that I disagree with, I will ask why you single out "our culture"? Prostitution is the "oldest profession" in every culture. Why is that?
I don't believe that there is a single reason that would apply across all cultures in the past or today.
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Ignoring everything else in your post that I disagree with, I will ask why you single out "our culture"? Prostitution is the "oldest profession" in every culture. Why is that?
Okay, replace “culture” with “world.” As to why prostitution exists as a profession, refer to my post. Whether you disagree with me or not, the cause of it is men.
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Okay, replace “culture” with “world.” As to why prostitution exists as a profession, refer to my post. Whether you disagree with me or not, the cause of it is men.
It kinda is. There is a large libido differential between men and women.
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There are too few good men. If men controlled their sexual urges, conducted themselves with high standards and values, and respected a woman’s body and cherished and were faithful to one woman as their wife, prostitution would not exist and abortion would scarcely be done.
I’m not saying women become prostitutes solely because they have no good man to cherish them, but if they do, they don’t. You’re pretty much left with abandoned yet still attractive mothers trying to support children, and nymphomaniacs, or women stuck in the trade as they age. To me, men using these women for their own sexual gratification are monsters. It’s sex with no relationship. The real-world consequences can be deadly or lead to more and more suffering.
Men are letting women down in our culture. We’re in it together and we need to work together.
The younger Men are letting themselves down, rudderless and taking on water, adrift. Not all, but many. Young women are ignoring them and that's why a few are seeking older Men. Some for Sugar Daddys, some for just wanting real Men. Others are woke Lesbians or Bi, etc. It's not good.
Blame our current culture and LAZINESS on the part of some Men
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I'm a gigolo as a side job.
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As to why prostitution exists as a profession..., the cause of it is men.
It kinda is.
Nope. The prostitutes themselves say that if it weren't for the average wife, they'd be out of business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s)
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Very cute but deeply delusional.
Save your bullshit, jim.
You outed yourself by your own objections. Everybody knows two things about you.
You have to pay for it, and you have no conscience when it comes to human trafficking and sexual slavery. That is probably because you have to oay for it, which made you hate women and by extension feel gratified when they are used, abused, and get disciplined for their sins of not giving up to you for free.
Your conclusions are wide of the mark.
Like you, I never considered paying for sex nor do I think others should.
I also don't think people should do recreational drugs (up till my late-twenties I was a teetotaler and after being diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis I have again generally abstained from alcohol.) My general rule therefore is that so long as no one is harmed or forced or enslaved in some way, they should be allowed to do as they like with their life because we only get the one. Advise them of the errors of their ways if you so choose, but that should be as far as it goes.
I think you believe no sex worker exists who isn't a slave of someone else. Here's one list of sex worker groups who have actually organized (more than I thought since I'd only ever heard of the group Coyote): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sex_worker_organizations#United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sex_worker_organizations#United_States)
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Nope. The prostitutes themselves say that if it weren't for the average wife, they'd be out of business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s)
I appear to have lucked out.
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Nope. The prostitutes themselves say that if it weren't for the average wife, they'd be out of business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s)
I’m supposed to watch four videos? Haha! I will and respond tomorrow. Pearl, huh?
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I’m supposed to watch four videos? Haha! I will and respond tomorrow. Pearl, huh?
I sampled a few minutes of each and read some of the viewer comments to hopefully get the gist.
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I’m supposed to watch four videos? Haha! I will and respond tomorrow. Pearl, huh?
Oh, that's just a start. There are hundreds more.
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Nope. The prostitutes themselves say that if it weren't for the average wife, they'd be out of business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s)
Once many women have children, the husband either becomes forgotten or becomes a second-class citizen. Women then "let themselves go", don't lose the baby fat, because they use the pregnancies as an excuse to over eat.
I'm not saying some husbands don't gain weight and give up on looking good for their spouses, however, I think women are worse and sometimes CAUSE the husband to also give up on the weight/looks thing. I see it over and over. Maybe that is the natural order of things and human nature, but I guess sex workers fill in the void for the Men's fantasies about sex and women in general. That's my take.
Then there's the whole sex as a weapon thing use exclusively by women to control and manipulate their men. Fuck that, I'll go elsewhere (if not married), but not to a prostitute. If married, that's divorce territory.
Should it be illegal? It depends. ;D
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If y’all can’t see the emptiness and evilness so obviously present in loveless, recreational and commercial sex, then you’re cauterized against it by your need to see it as natural, a “right,” the fault of women “letting themselves go,” etc. etc.
The “consenting adults” argument is laughable. Every sexual act has real-world repercussions far beyond the bedroom. Or back seat of a car, wherever.
To assume it is one’s right to commit an act that arguably is designed to promote connection and love, to flourish best in that context, and that could result in a child, but being unwilling to love and raise a child with its mother in a loving family and committed relationship, is an insane distortion of “liberty.”
Focusing on sex results in a skewed and dysfunctional life. Look how appalled we all are at the sex-themed parades with half-naked, rainbow-painted people jerking their pelvises back and forth and strutting with signs advocating myriad sexual perversions. Removing genitalia if you “feel” like another gender. And drag shows admitting children. And human trafficking. Epstein and his island of rich and perverted clients. On and on. Such are the signs of a civilization about to collapse.
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The 'prostitution is the oldest profession in the world,' argument is as vapid, and intellectually dishonest as virtually every other bullshit, leftist excuse in the book. Stupid people use that excuse to avoid acknowledging the truth.
Women HAD NO choices in days gone by. Once their husband abandoned them, died, or otherwise stopped providing, women were without alternatives but to lie down and let men use them. In many cases women were forbidden to own land, choose careers, get education, find jobs.
They were preyed upon by society, and left behind, which is the exact opposite of the experience of blacks and other minorities in America today. Education, health care, free phones, EBT, welfare, housing, social services and a host of other forms of support are everywhere. Those without mostly choose to remain without and many are used as false arguments by the leeches in government who parade the less fortunate to win votes.
Women turned to prostitution because they had to. Bullshit, liberal lies to the contrary are just lies.
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If y’all can’t see the emptiness and evilness so obviously present in loveless, recreational and commercial sex, then you’re cauterized against it by your need to see it as natural, a “right,” the fault of women “letting themselves go,” etc. etc.
The “consenting adults” argument is laughable. Every sexual act has real-world repercussions far beyond the bedroom. Or back seat of a car, wherever.
To assume it is one’s right to commit an act that arguably is designed to promote connection and love, to flourish best in that context, and that could result in a child, but being unwilling to love and raise a child with its mother in a loving family and committed relationship, is an insane distortion of “liberty.”
Focusing on sex results in a skewed and dysfunctional life. Look how appalled we all are at the sex-themed parades with half-naked, rainbow-painted people jerking their pelvises back and forth and strutting with signs advocating myriad sexual perversions. Removing genitalia if you “feel” like another gender. And drag shows admitting children. And human trafficking. Epstein and his island of rich and perverted clients. On and on. Such are the signs of a civilization about to collapse.
There's a difference between Men and Women. Many if not most Men sometimes or even often look at sex purely as recreational. Like driving a sports car, flying a plane, riding a motorcycle or doing a myriad of other enjoyable things. Many women today look at that way also, especially younger women in today's hook up culture.
Sex does NOT equal love although it can be loving or show love sometimes.
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There's a difference between Men and Women. Many if not most Men sometimes or even often look at sex purely as recreational. Like driving a sports car, flying a plane, riding a motorcycle or doing a myriad of other enjoyable things. Many women today look at that way also, especially younger women in today's hook up culture.
Sex does NOT equal love although it can be loving or show love sometimes.
And I’m saying that viewpoint about the sex act is destructive, because unlike the other activities you listed, sexual intercourse intimately involves another human being, their physical and emotional and spiritual health, and their future. Its highest object is love, connection, and family. Even if both people are aware that they are choosing at a low level to have recreational sex, their higher nature knows that it is out of context.
You say that sex does “NOT” equal love. I’m saying it shouldn’t happen unless there IS love, committed love.
While both men and women have been caught up in the powerful vortex of believing intercourse should be freely accessible to them, naively believing that its context or purpose are unimportant, I tend to agree that women have been the most victimized by this lie.
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You say that sex does “NOT” equal love. I’m saying it shouldn’t happen unless there IS love, committed love.
I agree. In my youth it never happened unless there was committed love. Once incompatibilities emerged, my rule of "better no one than the wrong one" kicked in. The right one cannot appear if you're with the wrong one.
Now, with my wife of almost 30 years it's recreational. But also an affirmation of committed love.
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Nope. The prostitutes themselves say that if it weren't for the average wife, they'd be out of business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-833UYfA4&t=135s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAfGmN_1GbA&t=79s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzyM0S69oI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSGmjhJfdk&t=11s)
I am very familiar with the current MGTOW and red pill culture which is portraying women more and more as all psycho nuts. I'm sure many of them are, and the young ones being indoctrinated in Marxism, toxic feminism and woke mind virus even worse. Our horrifically unhealthy food supply is making women and men fat, which kills the sex drive (except for a minority of fatty fetishers). It's true there is a problem with marriage right now, but it might not be as pervasive as these people imply. Pearl's statistics are questionable. She makes a lot of assumptions, such as "Assume half the people who do stay married are unhappily so," and so on.
But when I say putting it on the men, it is in the context of men's sex drive being about ten times higher than women's, and that's even before menopause when women's crashes to near zero. This is assuming (yes I am aware it's me making the assumption now) that sex drive is linearly related to testosterone level. Testosterone is associated with libido in both men and women, but men have about ten times the amount women do.
Therefore it's much easier for women to do without sex than for men. So if for whatever reason in marriage the sex dries up, a lot of men will seek prostitutes whereas as far as I know women going to gigolos is not a common thing. Women may do that or have an affair but it's more likely to be about the companionship and emotional connection than just sex. Whereas men need sex simply for sex's sake.
So if men go to prostitutes, it's on the men. But to the extent women are driving men away, you're right, it's on the women, which I kind of made that point myself in my first post about how women are delaying marriage, and causing men to avoid them with all their anti-patriarchy hostility.
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I am very familiar with the current MGTOW and red pill culture which is portraying women more and more as all psycho nuts. I'm sure many of them are, and the young ones being indoctrinated in Marxism, toxic feminism and woke mind virus even worse. Our horrifically unhealthy food supply is making women and men fat, which kills the sex drive (except for a minority of fatty fetishers). It's true there is a problem with marriage right now, but it might not be as pervasive as these people imply. Pearl's statistics are questionable. She makes a lot of assumptions, such as "Assume half the people who do stay married are unhappily so," and so on.
But when I say putting it on the men, it is in the context of men's sex drive being about ten times higher than women's, and that's even before menopause when women's crashes to near zero. This is assuming (yes I am aware it's me making the assumption now) that sex drive is linearly related to testosterone level. Testosterone is associated with libido in both men and women, but men have about ten times the amount women do.
Therefore it's much easier for women to do without sex than for men. So if for whatever reason in marriage the sex dries up, a lot of men will seek prostitutes whereas as far as I know women going to gigolos is not a common thing.Women may do that or have an affair but it's more likely to be about the companionship and emotional connection than just sex. Whereas men need sex simply for sex's sake.
So if men go to prostitutes, it's on the men. But to the extent women are driving men away, you're right, it's on the women, which I kind of made that point myself in my first post about how women are delaying marriage, and causing men to avoid them with all their anti-patriarchy hostility.
Considering those needs, a good strategy would be for men to cultivate a loving relationship with a stable and loving woman who wants a stable and loving and faithful relationship, and a family, if he wants that, and then to develop and deepen the physical, mental and emotional relationship through years of marriage. This is what most women want, and they’re wired for it, even if they hide behind singleness, their cats, too much wine, pro-abortion demonstrations, and tattoos and grunge.
Real relationships take work, and you can get hurt, so many people flee them and try to satisfy their sexual urges in shallow hookups.
Our bodies change, especially women’s from bearing children. A man’s body is going to change as well, and a deep mutual love is a wonderful balm for the vicissitudes of life. Humans typically flourish best with a compatible life partner. Such a partner will desire the sexual satisfaction of the loved husband or wife. Again, we’ve fallen so far from this ideal that it seems quaint and unrealistic. But it is achievable with discipline and awareness.
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Women (girls) are taught almost out of the womb that their bodies are not sacred, nor special.
Every form of media splashes messages demeaning women in all sorts of ways.
Children are brainwashed from kindergarten forward that abortion is good and life is cheap. People speaking differently are marginalized, criminalized, and treated as sub-human and mentally defective. Mainstream Christian denominations have adopted bastardized doctrine that embraces the abortion culture and rejects the Bible.
The communist influence through everything from the socialist democratic party, to the main steam democrat have flipped everything we knew to be good on its head, and used social media to silence any other opinion. democrats (communists) have become the antithesis of everything their party stood for, and brainwashed generations of students to ignore everything and anything safe, and good, in favor of instant gratification and long term suffering.
From tattoos, branding, piercing, fentanyl , cocaine, unsafe sexual couplings, and now transsexual bullshit, young people are programmed out of the womb to embrace idiotic nonsense and reject logic, reason, and safety.
Liberalism (the scenic route to communism) is behind it all and educators are terrified of what will blow back in their faces if they seek to share any other dogma.
Sexuality has been cheapened to the point that millions of the younger generation see it as nothing more important than a good burger and cold beer.
Children born out of cheap sexual liaisons are far more often latch-key, or throw away children because their parents have been taught that raising children is for losers, staying at home and caring for children is something idiots fell for in past generations, and that the government take care of 'it' for them.
There should be little wonder that sexual slavery and human trafficking are not seen as issues of importance, our own poster rushed to out how proud he is that prostitution is legal in new zeland, as if that proves something of importance other than the depravity of the new zeland government.
As the non-stop reprogramming of people has shown, the value of human life is being reduced to little more than a good time at the club and the next rush.
That people defend prostitution as something to be proud of, instead of something for our society to feel shame that it is necessary, shows how low liberals have fallen.
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Women (girls) are taught almost out of the womb that their bodies are not sacred, nor special.
Every form of media splashes messages demeaning women in all sorts of ways.
Children are brainwashed from kindergarten forward that abortion is good and life is cheap. People speaking differently are marginalized, criminalized, and treated as sub-human and mentally defective. Mainstream Christian denominations have adopted bastardized doctrine that embraces the abortion culture and rejects the Bible.
The communist influence through everything from the socialist democratic party, to the main steam democrat have flipped everything we knew to be good on its head, and used social media to silence any other opinion. democrats (communists) have become the antithesis of everything their party stood for, and brainwashed generations of students to ignore everything and anything safe, and good, in favor of instant gratification and long term suffering.
From tattoos, branding, piercing, fentanyl , cocaine, unsafe sexual couplings, and now transsexual bullshit, young people are programmed out of the womb to embrace idiotic nonsense and reject logic, reason, and safety.
Liberalism (the scenic route to communism) is behind it all and educators are terrified of what will blow back in their faces if they seek to share any other dogma.
Sexuality has been cheapened to the point that millions of the younger generation see it as nothing more important than a good burger and cold beer.
Children born out of cheap sexual liaisons are far more often latch-key, or throw away children because their parents have been taught that raising children is for losers, staying at home and caring for children is something idiots fell for in past generations, and that the government take care of 'it' for them.
There should be little wonder that sexual slavery and human trafficking are not seen as issues of importance, our own poster rushed to out how proud he is that prostitution is legal in new zeland, as if that proves something of importance other than the depravity of the new zeland government.
As the non-stop reprogramming of people has shown, the value of human life is being reduced to little more than a good time at the club and the next rush.
That people defend prostitution as something to be proud of, instead of something for our society to feel shame that it is necessary, shows how low liberals have fallen.
I agree with all of this, except I don't think Jim was "proud" that prostitution is legal in New Zealand.
Here's my problem with prostitution being illegal. It has in the past been enforced unfairly toward the actual prostitutes. The girls were jailed, got a criminal record, while the Johns went free, and, even worse, the pimps (traffickers) went free. There is now a trend to jail the johns and not the girls, but still the pimps go free. In other words, the actual traffickers aren't being caught.
And like with so many other things, there is a two tiered justice system. The elites use "escort services" which may be completely willing women charging thousands of dollars a night, with no pimps involved, and the law looks the other way. The common man must use a cheap street whore, and those are the only ones targeted by the law.
By saying I think prostitution should be legal, I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying it being illegal results in differential enforcement, and as always, the burden is borne by the end users and providers of the lower classes, not the elite class, and not the traffickers. The government screws it up, as they screw most things up.
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By saying I think prostitution should be legal, I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying it being illegal results in differential enforcement, and as always, the burden is borne by the end users and providers of the lower classes, not the elite class, and not the traffickers. The government screws it up, as they screw most things up.
I think prostitution should be legal. Regulated, regular health inspections, proper training for the workers. No different than a hair salon or any other personal service. Workers go into it voluntarily and are paid according to what is done or whatever. That would go a long way to reducing the illegal aspects of prostitution like trafficking by giving the clients a safer alternative. This is not something that I would have ever or ever will partake in. But for those who would like a particular service that is not being performed otherwise, it's a safe alternative to a street crack ho.
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I have never use or even thought about using a prostitute. Think about the word "used". Just the thought is disgusting to me. I would rather wear used underwear that has never been laundered.
But just the idea of making it illegal smacks of control by someone that thinks they know better what is good for me than I do. That is just more government intrusiveness. But I do believe in certain regulations, like:
No children on either side.
No one on either side may knowingly have a transmissible disease.
I might even consider requiring that it be legally confidential, as with a lawyer or a priest. No charging someone to screw you then blabbing about it or using is for blackmail.
I also agree with Rush that one big problem is that the pimps and trafficker are not sufficiently prosecuted.
They should not only be prosecuted but they should be pERsecuted and pursued without mercy. Give them no rest. The death penalty should also be permissible since they ruin the lives of their victims. Especially when the victim is a child as they so often are.
But to make the consensual decision between two free adults a crime is just too intrusive for me.
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A "one night stand" with someone met in a bar is legal. Leaving $100 on the table before leaving makes it illegal. Kind of silly.
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I find it hilarious that we’re now talking about the Sex Police. And not the kinky kind.
How about we make the organizing and brokering of prostitution illegal, and leave the girls alone? On their own it would be more difficult. And considering the horrific impact on a woman’s health and well being, it SHOULD be difficult.
If y’all think health inspections and licenses and training and promises about not blackmailing are going to make everything fine and dandy, make sure you put PROSTITUTION on the list of careers for high schoolers to consider as they contemplate their futures.
I’m talking about your daughters. Think about it.
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Here’s a presumed prostitute who is happy to have sex with you for $120 but too lazy to do honest work for the same $120 (wash the guy’s truck). At a certain point, it’s their choice.
https://twitter.com/NoCapFights/status/1714864709126815785
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I find it hilarious that we’re now talking about the Sex Police. And not the kinky kind.
How about we make the organizing and brokering of prostitution illegal, and leave the girls alone? On their own it would be more difficult. And considering the horrific impact on a woman’s health and well being, it SHOULD be difficult.
If y’all think health inspections and licenses and training and promises about not blackmailing are going to make everything fine and dandy, make sure you put PROSTITUTION on the list of careers for high schoolers to consider as they contemplate their futures.
I’m talking about your daughters. Think about it.
No doubt that trafficking and prostitution as it is currently practiced has a huge impact on the women who are in that profession, both in their health and mental well being. That should be eliminated.
However, all that would be not a factor if it was in a safe, voluntary, clean, well-regulated establishment. No blackmail, just regular employment. I do not see how that would have any impact on the health and well-being on the prostitutes ("sex workers"). But since I am WAY far away from that profession, I really don't know.
If I had a daughter I would strongly discourage that kind of career path. Nor would I want her to be a campaign worker for a democrat. But for some with no other choices it may be OK. Again, I just don't know. I haven't seen anything about the mental health of Nevada brothel workers. But I also haven't looked.
Still not something I would partake in no matter what. That's why we have the Internet.
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I have never seen that movie!
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The 'prostitution is the oldest profession in the world,' argument is as vapid, and intellectually dishonest as virtually every other bullshit, leftist excuse in the book. Stupid people use that excuse to avoid acknowledging the truth.
Women HAD NO choices in days gone by. Once their husband abandoned them, died, or otherwise stopped providing, women were without alternatives but to lie down and let men use them. In many cases women were forbidden to own land, choose careers, get education, find jobs.
They were preyed upon by society, and left behind, which is the exact opposite of the experience of blacks and other minorities in America today. Education, health care, free phones, EBT, welfare, housing, social services and a host of other forms of support are everywhere. Those without mostly choose to remain without and many are used as false arguments by the leeches in government who parade the less fortunate to win votes.
Women turned to prostitution because they had to. Bullshit, liberal lies to the contrary are just lies.
Once again I’m in agreement. The “Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world” argument is as ridiculous as saying “Rape has been a part of war forever” as a means of justification to a practice that diminishes and harms women.
I think the “Pretty Woman” or other high priced escorts in Hollywood’s versions of prostitution is ridiculously stupid, yet seems to be a justification for allowing human trafficking. Look at Porn Hub, that has been accused of having videos of trafficked women in its library. Yet as long as nothing is done, nothing will stop the trafficking.
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I have never seen that movie!
I have the whole first half memorized.
Back on topic. Ain't no pussy free :P
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Once again I’m in agreement. The “Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world” argument is as ridiculous as saying “Rape has been a part of war forever” as a means of justification
Very different analogies.
There are many motives for prostitution, including the profit motive, which most people here approve of.
But rape has nothing to do with paid prostitution, any more than sex with the woman of your dreams has to do with prostitution.
Why do some people feel they have the right to tell others what they may or may not due based on your own moral convictions. I consider that the same as someone tell me that I have to get a COVID shot.
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Man walks up to a woman sitting at a bar.
"Excuse me, but I have a question" said the man, then he proceeded "Would you consider having sex with me for $100,000?"
The woman broke into a huge smile and said "Why YES!"
He then said, "OK, would you consider having sex with me for a $100 then?" The lady frowned and said "NO! What kind of lady do you think I am!"
The man responded "Well, we've established that, now we are just negotiating the price"..............
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I have never seen that movie!
You have got to see this for R. Lee Ermey’s performance alone. I understand “Gunny” ad-libbed a bunch of dialogue in that movie.
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I think the “Pretty Woman” or other high priced escorts in Hollywood’s versions of prostitution is ridiculously stupid, yet seems to be a justification for allowing human trafficking.
"Pretty Woman" reminds me of a discussion between Johnny Carson and Phyllis Diller about Richard Gere's character paying big money for a high priced escort. From memory:
Carson: So would you have sex with Richard Gere for a million dollars?
Diller: Well, yes. But I don't know where I'd get that kind of money!
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Very different analogies.
There are many motives for prostitution, including the profit motive, which most people here approve of.
But rape has nothing to do with paid prostitution, any more than sex with the woman of your dreams has to do with prostitution.
Why do some people feel they have the right to tell others what they may or may not due based on your own moral convictions. I consider that the same as someone tell me that I have to get a COVID shot.
If you don’t have a moral conviction about protecting women and children from sex slavery and human trafficking, then we aren’t as alike as I thought.
You just made your argument in the exact same way leftists defend abortion. You can question the right to life of the child they are bearing, and they will NEVER respond to that, but will ALWAYS fall back in the right of women to “choose,” ignoring what they plan to do with the product of that choice.
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Men sometimes have trouble acknowledging this fact, but using a woman for your own sexual release is demeaning and depersonalizing to her unless you are in a loving, committed relationship with her and will be there for the long haul. I’d like to think the same is true for men but they seem as a group more concerned with the release, not what the act says about their worth, identity and value. But those things are huge with women. And I dare say the aforementioned release was probably achieved through salesmanship on the part of the man, claiming that he loved her and she was the only one he desired. Right. Liar.
It’s often been said that you can’t legislate morality. Keeping your pants zipped and doing some intense thinking about what kind of man you want to be is what the world needs more of. Women need to keep their knees together and look ahead to the consequences of what they may feel like doing. It’s worth teaching your kids the real-world consequences of promiscuity and how to respect themselves and others enough to wait until marriage.
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And I’m saying that viewpoint about the sex act is destructive, because unlike the other activities you listed, sexual intercourse intimately involves another human being, their physical and emotional and spiritual health, and their future. Its highest object is love, connection, and family. Even if both people are aware that they are choosing at a low level to have recreational sex, their higher nature knows that it is out of context.
You say that sex does “NOT” equal love. I’m saying it shouldn’t happen unless there IS love, committed love.
While both men and women have been caught up in the powerful vortex of believing intercourse should be freely accessible to them, naively believing that its context or purpose are unimportant, I tend to agree that women have been the most victimized by this lie.
What about people, for whatever reason, can't experience true love, of which I am one. I can like, have lust for a woman, be deeply caring, kind, supportive, and attached, but have never really felt true love, nor have experienced it in return. God knows, I've tried. Should we never have sex?
I've never told a woman I loved them just to have sex.
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You have got to see this for R. Lee Ermey’s performance alone. I understand “Gunny” ad-libbed a bunch of dialogue in that movie.
He was a former Drill Instructor in real life. He was brought on as a techinical advisor and when the original actor who was brought on for the role couldn't get it right, he stepped up and nailed it. And while it wasn't really ad-libbed, it was parts of pages of material he brought to Stanley Kubrik and he let him write his own lines.
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I have never seen that movie!
It's a MUST WATCH...now!
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If you don’t have a moral conviction about protecting women and children from sex slavery and human trafficking, then we aren’t as alike as I thought.
I'm not saying that your reading comprehension is as bad as someone else's on this forum, but somehow you missed a lot of what I said.
Sex slavery and human trafficking is a horror that should be, as I said before "pursued, prosecuted and PERSEcuted. I said the death penalty should be considered in such cases.
There is NOTHING that equates willing and consulting adults having sex for money withe sex trafficking or human slavery. Just how much power do you want to give the government over our lives? Maybe you are right. Maybe we don't have as much in common as we both thought. I want the government out of our private lives. Let them intervene when bad things happen. Not when willing people have sex.
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I'm not saying that your reading comprehension is as bad as someone else's on this forum, but somehow you missed a lot of what I said.
Sex slavery and human trafficking is a horror that should be, as I said before "pursued, prosecuted and PERSEcuted. I said the death penalty should be considered in such cases.
There is NOTHING that equates willing and consulting adults having sex for money withe sex trafficking or human slavery. Just how much power do you want to give the government over our lives? Maybe you are right. Maybe we don't have as much in common as we both thought. I want the government out of our private lives. Let them intervene when bad things happen. Not when willing people have sex.
I agree, and I don't want to speak for Stan, but I think he's saying, those who use prostitutes sometimes may be supporting human trafficking financially as they're paying the bills. Dunno, if my interpretation is correct, but makes logical sense.
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I agree, and I don't want to speak for Stan, but I think he's saying, those who use prostitutes sometimes may be supporting human trafficking financially as they're paying the bills. Dunno, if my interpretation is correct, but makes logical sense.
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Joe is trying to split the baby and support one while ignoring the fact that it is integrally related to the other.
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Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Joe is trying to split the baby and support one while ignoring the fact that it is integrally related to the other.
Sounds a lot like trying to take guns away from honest citizens to keep criminals from having them.
You can't have it both ways. Honest people have rights. Making honest people into criminals is wrong.
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What about people, for whatever reason, can't experience true love, of which I am one. I can like, have lust for a woman, be deeply caring, kind, supportive, and attached, but have never really felt true love, nor have experienced it in return. God knows, I've tried. Should we never have sex?
I've never told a woman I loved them just to have sex.
If you can’t love, I suppose you shouldn’t tell someone for any reason that you love them. It would be a lie.
You’ve been married more than once, right? Did you promise to love, honor and cherish your wives? You probably told them you loved them (or they wouldn’t have married you), which means you felt true love. Unless you were faking it. By this time you should know yourself pretty well. If you truly can’t love, then you shouldn’t expect a woman to love you, and it’s probably best not to have sex. Because the woman you would have sex with deserves to know you don’t love her. Mutual love is the goal. She would need to move on.
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(Lucifer quietly remembering his Navy days back in the 70's over in WestPac)............... ;D
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(Lucifer quietly remembering his Navy days back in the 70's over in WestPac)............... ;D
Subic?
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If you can’t love, I suppose you shouldn’t tell someone for any reason that you love them. It would be a lie.
You’ve been married more than once, right? Did you promise to love, honor and cherish your wives? You probably told them you loved them (or they wouldn’t have married you), which means you felt true love. Unless you were faking it. By this time you should know yourself pretty well. If you truly can’t love, then you shouldn’t expect a woman to love you, and it’s probably best not to have sex. Because the woman you would have sex with deserves to know you don’t love her. Mutual love is the goal. She would need to move on.
One can think one's in love, but in hindsight doesn't think it was real. Emotions are complex, and I've realized I've never been truly in love to the point where I've wanted to stay with that woman. Was I lying? Maybe, or was I misinformed? I've made some bad choices, but take responsibility for that.
Can I be shallow and superficial? Yes. Guilty as charged.
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Subic?
Subic and Clark. Plus a few other garden spots.
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I was forced to work in DC in 1968 for a couple of weeks.
Rather than deal with the airlines I took the train and watched a fucking pimp pick up a young girl right in front of DC cops and walk her out of the train station.
No doubt she got a hit of heroin and found herself selling sex on the streets until the combination of bad food, poor or non existent healthcare, disease and drugs put her in an early gave.
Every time one of you supports the no one got hurt argument, you are personally contributing to their deaths.
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You have got to see this for R. Lee Ermey’s performance alone. I understand “Gunny” ad-libbed a bunch of dialogue in that movie.
Good, it’s on Prime to rent for $3.79.
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It's a MUST WATCH...now!
Can I wait til tomorrow?
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One can think one's in love, but in hindsight doesn't think it was real. Emotions are complex, and I've realized I've never been truly in love to the point where I've wanted to stay with that woman. Was I lying? Maybe, or was I misinformed? I've made some bad choices, but take responsibility for that.
Can I be shallow and superficial? Yes. Guilty as charged.
There is a difference between love and infatuation. Often we mistake the latter for the former. But infatuation is short lived.
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Can I wait til tomorrow?
No. Of course. But no later. ;D
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Subic and Clark. Plus a few other garden spots.
Clark for me. 18 months. Then Saigon. Garden spots, indeed.
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Sounds a lot like trying to take guns away from honest citizens to keep criminals from having them.
You can't have it both ways. Honest people have rights. Making honest people into criminals is wrong.
Who is the victim of an inanimate machine called a gun? Who is being exploited, victimized, or trafficked so you can exercise your rights guaranteed by the Constitution?
I can answer that with respect to prostitution and human trafficking.
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Clark for me. 18 months. Then Saigon. Garden spots, indeed.
Thanks for your service, guys. I think lucifer was one of those submarine guys. What did you do in the Navy, Mase?
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Thanks for your service, guys. I think lucifer was one of those submarine guys. What did you do in the Navy, Mase?
Air Force ground pounder.
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Thanks for your service, guys. I think lucifer was one of those submarine guys. What did you do in the Navy, Mase?
Oh hell no! Airedale Navy.
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Thanks for your service, guys. I think lucifer was one of those submarine guys. What did you do in the Navy, Mase?
Ditto. Except Lucifer being a submarine guy.
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Oh hell no! Airedale Navy.
Brown shoe?
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No. Of course. But no later. ;D
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I got busy and couldn’t get to it til today, it was GREAT! Quite a twist at the end.