PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on July 18, 2018, 01:10:22 PM
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Seriously, you can't make this shit up.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/cody-leach/2018/07/18/msnbcs-barnicle-rewrite-constitution-and-remove-trump-now
Rewrite the constitution and have another president take over right now. Look, this is the distortion of, in daily life in American politics, it's beyond the realm and thankfully former President Obama pointed out realities we all live under right now.
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Hey, he just wants a small change:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Tweeting, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
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This just means that no president would ever face an overwhelming opposition in the Congress. If the opposite party captured 2/3 of the Senate and 1/2 the House, then they get to gain control of the presidency. That is just about the stupidest suggestion I've heard on how to amend the Constitution and I've heard some stupid ones.
He should stop dreaming that this would get rid of Trump. The Republicans control 1/2 the Senate and there is no forseeable way short of fraud that Democrats could take the required 67 seats in order to convict the president. If he is going to insist on behaving like a child, then he should sit down and let the adults talk.
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I think there is a country where the party with the most elected officials put forth the person who leads....
England? Yah, and they call that person the Prime Minister?
Last I heard Americans were so happy about that system of government that they went to war. And won!
I suggest we stick with The Constitution. As written. The "living document" argument is BS.
Anyone ever check when the statute defining murder was written? That's some old ass shit right there. We might to need to get used to legally killing people after they are born, instead of just nipping them in the womb.
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The framers took this into consideration. The constitution is a living document. It was meant to change with the times, and mores, and represent the will of the people in a just, and temperate way. There are two ways to change the constitution, and it has been done many times. If the good people at MSNBC et-al can convince a super-majority of the senate open a convention we'll get underway.
Now for the warning. A constitutional convention is fraught with peril. It's open season on anything and everything. One of the first things to do would be to change the rules of passage from super-majority, to simple majority. If that happens, and the conservatives are in power, I would say then that the left would be decimated.
The alternative to a uniform updating of the constitution was tried by Lincoln. He made a 'proclamation' which is somehow grander and more involved than a simple exec order. Well, after making his grand proclamation, and setting a wrong to right by exec fiat, what ensued afterward was a disaster for the entire nation, and almost destroyed us. Use the tools we've been given, and use them with caution.
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The framers took this into consideration. The constitution is a living document. It was meant to change with the times, and mores, and represent the will of the people in a just, and temperate way. There are two ways to change the constitution, and it has been done many times. If the good people at MSNBC et-al can convince a super-majority of the senate open a convention we'll get underway.
Now for the warning. A constitutional convention is fraught with peril. It's open season on anything and everything. One of the first things to do would be to change the rules of passage from super-majority, to simple majority. If that happens, and the conservatives are in power, I would say then that the left would be decimated.
The alternative to a uniform updating of the constitution was tried by Lincoln. He made a 'proclamation' which is somehow grander and more involved than a simple exec order. Well, after making his grand proclamation, and setting a wrong to right by exec fiat, what ensued afterward was a disaster for the entire nation, and almost destroyed us. Use the tools we've been given, and use them with caution.
There’s actually a more powerful and less risky way to amend the Constitution. An Article V Convention of the States bypasses congress altogether. Each provision of the convention must be approved by the states even before amendments are proposed. It’s a high bar that hasn’t been used, but with conservatives holding he vast majority of state legislatures, now is the time to do it.
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There’s actually a more powerful and less risky way to amend the Constitution. An Article V Convention of the States bypasses congress altogether. Each provision of the convention must be approved by the states even before amendments are proposed. It’s a high bar that hasn’t been used, but with conservatives holding he vast majority of state legislatures, now is the time to do it.
You two are talking about the same thing - an Article V convention IS a constitutional convention, it's the only way for the States to amend the Constitution. It is important to remember that suggestions of the convention do have to be ratified by the states and each "bill" is ratified individually. Yes, they're not bills, but that's the best correlation I can come up with right now so that everyone understands.
The first one that needs to be passed would be to limit the time for ratification. The first proposed amendment was created in 1831 to ban anyone involved in a duel from holding federal office. Technically states could still vote on that or any other proposed and failed amendment and it would become part of the Constitution.
I don't think the Left would be "decimated" by convention decisions.
I believe the real problem with a convention today is that it would largely be used to implement personal prejudices as the supreme law and that in doing so it would create conflict with the elegance of the existing Constitutional amendments. The 14th is a great example of that.
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You two are talking about the same thing - an Article V convention IS a constitutional convention, it's the only way for the States to amend the Constitution. It is important to remember that suggestions of the convention do have to be ratified by the states and each "bill" is ratified individually. Yes, they're not bills, but that's the best correlation I can come up with right now so that everyone understands.
The first one that needs to be passed would be to limit the time for ratification. The first proposed amendment was created in 1831 to ban anyone involved in a duel from holding federal office. Technically states could still vote on that or any other proposed and failed amendment and it would become part of the Constitution.
I don't think the Left would be "decimated" by convention decisions.
I believe the real problem with a convention today is that it would largely be used to implement personal prejudices as the supreme law and that in doing so it would create conflict with the elegance of the existing Constitutional amendments. The 14th is a great example of that.
I believe they are two different things.
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https://conventionofstates.com/news/constitutional-convention-vs-a-convention-of-states