PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 14, 2017, 05:31:58 AM
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Not many details yet. Congressman Scalize (sp?) House majority whip shot, among others.
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Not many details yet. Congressman Scalize (sp?) House majority whip shot, among others.
I wonder how the media will blame this on Trump? How did he encourage this?
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I wonder how the media will blame this on Trump? How did he encourage this?
He didn't. Celebrities like Kathy Griffin did this. The New York Times did this when they sponsored a play in Central Park which depicts assassinating the president. No, Congress is not the president, they are not as well protected. But all these people, all the groups have sent a message that it's ok to use violence to express your disagreement. UNACCEPTABLE and there are no excuses for the bad behavior or for this man's actions. This was an attack on our government and on our country.
I am thankful the Capitol Police happened to be there - they shouldn't have been, except that Congressman Scalise was there and as majority whip, he was a member of leadership. I am thankful to all the first responders who apprehended this madman. I am thankful that this man appears to have been a horrible shot and so far there appears to be no fatalities.
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I'm glad nobody was killed and the Rep will be OK. I wonder, since it was a Republican, if the media will play the "more gun control" card like they usually do? DC already has draconian gun control laws.
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I am admittedly making a value judgement before all the facts are in but as Mr. Spock wisely said, "I speak from pure logic. If I let go of a hammer on a planet that has a positive gravity, I need not see it fall to know that it has in fact fallen." At what point will the political violence of the Left be called out for what it is?
The KKK, Pol Pot, Kyrstalnacht/Nazi's, Stalin, Kid who shot Gabby Giffords, Assassination attempt of Ronald Reagan, Assassination of RFK, Assassination of MLK, Assassination of JFK, violent Antifa riots, BLM riots, the deadly attack on Dallas Police, LA riots, Chicago Riots - all of or inspired by the violent rhetoric of the Left that does not seek to disagree but to destroy, that dehumanizes rather than seek compromise, that seeks to divide us by every conceivable subcategory rather than bring us together for the common good.
When Pelosi, Reid, Schumer and their ilk call the Right not just wrong but evil, when they compare the opposition to the most vile regimes in the history of the planet simply because they don't agree on political issues - when it is felt that it is OK to make movies or plays that show Republican President's being assassinated, when it is felt that it is OK to have a photo shoot with the decapitated head of the sitting President, there can only be one result - this is the dangerous harvest of the seeds of discord the Left has been sowing for decades.
God bless the Capitol Police security detail for Rep Scalise, were they not there this would have potentially been a real bloodbath.
'Gimp
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He didn't. Celebrities like Kathy Griffin did this. The New York Times did this when they sponsored a play in Central Park which depicts assassinating the president. No, Congress is not the president, they are not as well protected. But all these people, all the groups have sent a message that it's ok to use violence to express your disagreement. UNACCEPTABLE and there are no excuses for the bad behavior or for this man's actions. This was an attack on our government and on our country.
You know that. I know that. But my question was how will the media try to turn this into Trump's fault?
Surely you don't think the media will blame Kathy Griffin or the NYT; do you?
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You know that. I know that. But my question was how will the media try to turn this into Trump's fault?
Surely you don't think the media will blame Kathy Griffin or the NYT; do you?
The media will say that Trump has created an "environment of violence" due to his "rhetoric", and "hate speech". The truth is the Alt Left (antifa, BLM, etc) has created an environment where violence against any who don't agree with them is condoned.
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The media will say that Trump has created an "environment of violence" due to his "rhetoric", and "hate speech". The truth is the Alt Left (antifa, BLM, etc) has created an environment where violence against any who don't agree with them is condoned.
I don't care. I categorically reject this kind of idea. The absolute truth is that the media has endorsed violent behavior against the president and against Republicans and THEY are responsible for this happening. Nobody does this kind of thing unless they somehow have a path to believe it's ok. In the past that only ever happened with the mentally disturbed, but today violence against your political opponent is being mainstreamed by the media.
Meet every call that it was Trump's fault with a rejection and don't every say it sarcastically. Republicans have a bad habit of using sarcasm, but the Left picks it up and trumpets it as the truth. So don't even give them an edge.
This was not the President's fault. This was the fault of those who have endorsed violence as a "solution". ENOUGH!
Demand that anyone who tries to pin this on the President strongly and uncategorically reject violence.
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It has been confirmed that the shooter has died of gunshot wounds inflicted by the police. James Hodgkinson was from southern Illinois and apparently a rampant socialist Democrat, a Bernie supporter. Somehow he got the message that it was OK to try to kill your opponent.
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It has been confirmed that the shooter has died of gunshot wounds inflicted by the police. James Hodgkinson was from southern Illinois and apparently a rampant socialist Democrat, a Bernie supporter. Somehow he got the message that it was OK to try to kill your opponent.
Yep, a Bernie supporter. This is also a reason some of us legally carry. If those cops weren't there, this would have been much worse.
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I'm glad nobody was killed and the Rep will be OK. I wonder, since it was a Republican, if the media will play the "more gun control" card like they usually do? DC already has draconian gun control laws.
Too late. The blood was still wet on the ballfield when VA Gov. & Clinton protege Terry McAuliffe had already called for more strict gun control. He cited the statistic that 93 million people a day are killed by guns. O_o
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/14/mcauliffe_calls_for_gun_control_after_republican_shooting_we_lose_93_million_people_a_day.html
P.S., The shooting took place in Alexandria, VA.
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Too late. The blood was still wet on the ballfield when VA Gov. & Clinton protege Terry McAuliffe had already called for more strict gun control. He cited the statistic that 93 million people a day are killed by guns. O_o
P.S., The shooting took place in Alexandria, VA.
Thanks for the clarification. Of course McAuliffe would call for more gun control laws. Last time I checked murder, and attempted murder were still illegal.
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Too late. The blood was still wet on the ballfield when VA Gov. & Clinton protege Terry McAuliffe had already called for more strict gun control. He cited the statistic that 93 million people a day are killed by guns. O_o
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/14/mcauliffe_calls_for_gun_control_after_republican_shooting_we_lose_93_million_people_a_day.html
P.S., The shooting took place in Alexandria, VA.
Disgusting that he would turn to politics that way. I'm sure he didn't meant to accidentally expose his BS partisan approach to everything. He is not concerned about people, he is concerned entirely about his own power.
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I just heard an interview while I was in the truck. The guy being interview kind of asked "what's the big deal", there are 95 gun murders a day. This was just an act of "gun violence".
I have NEVER seen a violent gun. But I have seen guns that are capable of being used in a violent way.
But the truth is that this is a screaming liberal. Bernie Sanders even lamented that it was one of his campaign volunteers, or at least someone that applied to be a campaign volunteer.
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I saw that and think Bernie is right on the money. Violence is never acceptable.
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I just heard an interview while I was in the truck. The guy being interview kind of asked "what's the big deal", there are 95 gun murders a day. This was just an act of "gun violence".
I have NEVER seen a violent gun. But I have seen guns that are capable of being used in a violent way.
The Left always likes to blame the object, not the person. It is the gun's fault, therefore they should be banned. Yeah, right. >:(
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This attack was inexcusable. I hope the miscreant responsible is punished to the full extent of the law.
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I'm glad nobody was killed and the Rep will be OK. I wonder, since it was a Republican, if the media will play the "more gun control" card like they usually do? DC already has draconian gun control laws.
And, the guy was from Illinois, hard gun control there as well.
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This attack was inexcusable. I hope the miscreant responsible is punished to the full extent of the law.
Justice was served. He's dead.
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If this had been a Republican supporter, shooting Democrats, the story would be a lot more pronounced, and have legs for months. This will go away in few days.
Meanwhile in San Fran, CA (California has some of the strongest, and wackiest gun control laws in the U.S.), another gun commits violent acts!
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A UPS employee opened fire at a San Francisco package delivery facility on Wednesday, killing three employees and then himself as officers closed in, police and the company said.
UPS workers gather outside a UPS package delivery warehouse where a shooting took place Wednesday, June 14, 2017, in San Francisco. A UPS spokesman says four people were injured in the shooting at the facility and that the shooter was an employee.
San Francisco UPS shooting leaves 4 dead, including gunman
San Francisco assistant police chief Toney Chaplin said a news conference that two others were wounded in the shooting that prompted a massive police response in downtown San Francisco.
Police have not determined a motive. Chaplin said that the shooter was armed with an assault pistol and put the weapon to his head and pulled the trigger when police found him.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20170614_ap_10888b75b6474fcab44ca46f89ae4da8.html
What is an "Assault Pistol"?
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Justice was served. He's dead.
No, that wasn't justice. It was just another part of the tragedy.
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No, that wasn't justice. It was just another part of the tragedy.
Disagree. He got what he deserved.
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I doubt he expected anyone to shoot back, he thought it was going to be shooting fish in a barrel, and it would have been had Scalise not been there.
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I doubt he expected anyone to shoot back, he thought it was going to be shooting fish in a barrel, and it would have been had Scalise not been there.
Is that the only reason the Capital Police were there? I guess since he is in the House leadership he gets extra security? I wonder if politicians can get a carry permit in DC? I know this happened in Alexandria, VA, but they are mostly in DC. This politically violent era we are entering would have me wanting to carry, especially if I were a pol.
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What is an "Assault Pistol"?
A REALLY scary, black thing that is racist... and republicans are the only ones that use them.
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I understand that Congressman Scalise is in very bad shape and the doctors can't stem the bleeding.
As for the progressive, socialist, Bernie supporter, he is only acting out the violent fantasies of his leftist handlers.
When you see the ugliness that is the democratic party these days, it is perfectly understandable why their most ardent supporters would go out and murder anyone that they think disagrees with them.
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I understand that Congressman Scalise is in very bad shape and the doctors can't stem the bleeding.
As for the progressive, socialist, Bernie supporter, he is only acting out the violent fantasies of his leftist handlers.
When you see the ugliness that is the democratic party these days, it is perfectly understandable why their most ardent supporters would go out and murder anyone that they think disagrees with them.
The problem is they don't understand. If you look at the dude's FB page the stuff on there sounds just like what we here from Maxine Waters.
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Go back and revisit the Gabby Giffords shooting.
The liberals were in full attack mode and blaming the republicans, and of course tried to blame Sarah Palin.
The liberal progressives have ratcheted up the rhetoric and have pushed for this sort of thing to happen. And the MSM has been more than compliant to help them.
It's going to get worse, much worse.
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Interesting enough on several of those shooters the MSM tried to paint them as conservatives.
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When you see the ugliness that is the democratic party these days, it is perfectly understandable why their most ardent supporters would go out and murder anyone that they think disagrees with them.
I'm surprised it isn't happening more often.
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When you see the ugliness that is the democratic party these days, it is perfectly understandable why their most ardent supporters would go out and murder anyone that they think disagrees with them.
My question is why does 50% of the country agree with the ugliness of the Democrat Party? Are we seeing mass indoctrination, like 1930's Germany?
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For exactly the same reason the Germans went along with the Nazis.
Progressive/liberal/democrats are basically sheep stumbling along behind their 'leader', going wherever they are told to go.
Why liberals are so stupifyingly stupid is beyond me They NEED someone to tell them exactly what to believe, think, do and say and
when someone comes along and does so they are ecstatic.
Remember the sickening adulation the democrats poured out over Barack Obama? It made zero difference what he said, how he abused their trust, or how patently dishonest he was. Their adulation was REQUIRED, so they adored him like a messiah.
Now they lack a messiah and in their petty, angry, racist, self-centered minds, it's our fault they have been deprived of their little messiah, so we are the enemy and no matter the truth, no matter how transparent the lies, they will adore their agenda without question, while hating anyone that dares to be different.
Liberalism has become a mass psychosis.
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Are we seeing mass indoctrination, like 1930's Germany?
In some ways, yes. Any way you look at it, the America we grew up in is dead. Yes, electing Trump and an R congress may stem the tide for a while, but the writing is on the wall. Look at the outright media attacks and spin, obstructionist Dems, leftist indoctrination from K-1 thru college and beyond, and left tail bell curve loonies now resorting to violence.
America is done, it's just a matter of how fast the ship goes down. Sorry to sound like a bummer, but that's the way I see it.
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In some ways, yes. Any way you look at it, the America we grew up in is dead. Yes, electing Trump and an R congress may stem the tide for a while, but the writing is on the wall. Look at the outright media attacks and spin, obstructionist Dems, leftist indoctrination from K-1 thru college and beyond, and left tail bell curve loonies now resorting to violence.
America is done, it's just a matter of how fast the ship goes down. Sorry to sound like a bummer, but that's the way I see it.
Well, while I may agree with you to an extent, I still hope that we can overcome our Education system, Media, the Democrats, Public Sector Unions, and rank and file government employees. However, they are just the vehicle by which their leftist handlers, like Soros, get their work done.
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For exactly the same reason the Germans went along with the Nazis.
Progressive/liberal/democrats are basically sheep stumbling along behind their 'leader', going wherever they are told to go.
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Liberalism has become a mass psychosis.
Agree, Hitler temporarily improved the economy with a lot of socialist spending, (he basically printed up monopoly money and raided private accounts), and most people are too damn stupid to see such things are a big house of cards and unsustainable. So they did stumble along behind him but it was because he was throwing out bait.
And it doesn't take much, once you get momentum, just keep watering it with propaganda against some made-up Face of Evil (in Germany's case, the Jews) and keep beating the drum and the mass psychosis will grow like malignant cancer.
We are watching it all happen again right now. Everyone thinks this is true but liberals think it's Trump who is the Face of Evil, but when you look at METHODS and CHARACTER you can see who are the real Nazi-like people in the U.S. today. It's the ones using violence in the form of riots and assassination attempts, it's the ones trying to disarm the People, it's the ones pushing the false economic fairy tale (that government can spend us into prosperity), it's the side who is doing everything in their power to muzzle any voice of opposition. It's the side that is teaching our children social and political mantras in primary schools.
The extreme left today is walking and quacking exactly in true form.
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Well, while I may agree with you to an extent, I still hope that we can overcome our Education system, Media, the Democrats, Public Sector Unions, and rank and file government employees. However, they are just the vehicle by which their leftist handlers, like Soros, get their work done.
The cornerstone will be the 2nd, if they get guns out of private hands, we're done. People don't understand just how powerful the 2nd is.
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The cornerstone will be the 2nd, if they get guns out of private hands, we're done. People don't understand just how powerful the 2nd is.
Some people view me as a one issue voter, as I do vehemently believe in the 2A, and the right of citizens to legally bear arms. I try to explain that the 2A upholds the rest of our Natural Rights which are NOT granted by government, but we innately hold as Humans. The Democrats for decades have been trying to take away our 2A rights. It is a threat to their power. It is the last line of defense we hold. Look at the UK, Europe, Australia, etc. They have essentially been disarmed, for the most part, with a few exceptions. Their governments are importing Muslim refugees, and have brainwashed many into believing that is a good thing due to "fairness" or whatever. Give me an effing break. They will slide into chaos at some point.
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Here is a good article (opinion piece) on this subject:
http://www.news-journalonline.com/opinion/20170617/david-harsanyi-stick-to-one-standard-for-judging-political-violence
And, no, it’s not terrorism in the way Islamic terrorism is terrorism, since neither Sanders nor any person or faction associated with him, that I can tell, supports violence as a means of pursuing political objectives. Sanders has zero responsibility for Hodgkinson’s actions.
But I’m sure many Republicans imagine what this event would look like had the parties been reversed.
edit: here is another link in case you need a password for the first link:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448692/alexandria-shooting-double-standards
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Now they are talking about needing security for members of congress.
How much is that going to cost waste to have a protection detail for all members of both houses?
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Now they are talking about needing security for members of congress.
How much is that going to cost waste to have a protection detail for all members of both houses?
Multiples more than Trump's golf that they've been whining about.
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Now they are talking about needing security for members of congress.
How much is that going to cost waste to have a protection detail for all members of both houses?
Yes, they want even more armed security while continually trying to disarm law abiding citizens because it threatens their tyrannical brains.
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I'm not for providing any additional security to anyone in congress.
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I'm not for providing any additional security to anyone in congress.
Let them CCW like everyone else. Oh, wait...
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Let them CCW like everyone else. Oh, wait...
Yep, if they want protection, do the same as everyone else.
Until these self serving pricks start working a full schedule, including themselves in every bill they put forward and actually start working as Representitives of the people, fuck 'em.
Right now they're just a bunch of greedy prima donnas.
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Let them CCW like everyone else. Oh, wait...
There is no provision for CCW in D.C. like many other un-Constitutional cities, and states. Make them change the laws before they can carry.
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There is no provision for CCW in D.C. like many other un-Constitutional cities, and states. Make them change the laws before they can carry.
They can get carry if they are a celebrity or politician and therefore at risk of attack ( like the rest of us aren't) and of course their lives are more valuable than the ordinary person.
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/06/18/msnbc-host-labels-rep-scalise-an-extremist-while-he-lies-in-hospital-bed/
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They have no message the majority of American people can embrace. They have lost, lost, lost on every level. Obama, and the Clintons have decimated their ranks with their Communist message, an anti-American rhetoric. Therefore, they just keep fighting the last battle they lost, and spout hate.
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Just saw where Harry Reid said the Republicans are "trying to act like they are victims now." Then the talking heads discussed how Republicans are "obsessed with this idea that they are the victims of hate."
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Just saw where Harry Reid said the Republicans are "trying to act like they are victims now." Then the talking heads discussed how Republicans are "obsessed with this idea that they are the victims of hate."
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Liberal does x.
Conservatives say, "Liberals are doing x!"
Liberals are offended that conservatives are pointing out that liberals are doing x.
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And when Dems lose elections, the elections are no longer "a referendum on Trump."
Trying to keep up with the liberal logic, but can't even.
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And when Dems lose elections, the elections are no longer "a referendum on Trump."
Trying to keep up with the liberal logic, but can't even.
They're a referendum on Trump prior to the election, then after they lose the narrative changes to it wasn't a referendum on Trump. Poor CNN, and NBC (Comcast). lol! ;D
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What's hilarious is they still cannot figure out why their polling is wrong.
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http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/56537
And now they say he should have been left to die.
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https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/06/trump-scalise-interrupted/
Protestors interrupt tribute to Scalise.
"Happens every time," says Trump.