PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on August 01, 2016, 05:50:38 AM
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So says Hillary........
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/31/clinton_every_right_that_we_have_is_open_to_and_subject_to_reasonable_regulations.html
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So cometh the nanny state.
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Can we regulate away her ability to have ARMED BODY GUARDS?
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Are you in support of people being able to do as they please with guns? Or are you concerned about slippery slope?Can we regulate away her ability to have ARMED BODY GUARDS?
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Are you in support of people being able to do as they please with guns? Or are you concerned about slippery slope?
I am concerned about the elite being protected, and regulating my ability to protect myself away so they can control more.
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Are you in support of people being able to do as they please with guns? Or are you concerned about slippery slope?
What slippery slope?
I am in support of people being able to do as they please with guns. But nobody should assume that statement means that I am in support of people committing crimes, the two are unrelated.
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What slippery slope?
I am in support of people being able to do as they please with guns. But nobody should assume that statement means that I am in support of people committing crimes, the two are unrelated.
Then you need to write clearly because "do as they please" is in the sphere of committing crimes. Please state specifically how you would curtail crimes having to do with or relating to firearms.
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Are you in support of people being able to do as they please with guns? Or are you concerned about slippery slope?
Yes.
The slippery slope is when one group of politicians or despots, but I repeat myself, declares that "some" regulation is "reasonable" in their minds, and must be reasonable for all.
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But nobody should assume that statement means that I am in support of people committing crimes, the two are unrelated.
Then you need to write clearly because "do as they please" is in the sphere of committing crimes.
I did. Now I have bolded it, underlined it and put it in a larger font because apparently merely writing it was not enough.
Please state specifically how you would curtail crimes having to do with or relating to firearms.
I would do nothing. Most guns used in crimes were not legally obtained by the criminal, they were stolen or bought in the black/grey market. I believe you could immediately execute every person who is convicted of using a gun in a crime and people would still do it. So there is no means of controlling others, control is a myth - see the natural rights discussion.
Human beings have free will and gun or no gun, someone who is determined to commit a crime is going to figure out a way to do it. Any attempt to control guns will just disarm victims.
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I did. Now I have bolded it, underlined it and put it in a larger font because apparently merely writing it was not enough.
I would do nothing. Most guns used in crimes were not legally obtained by the criminal, they were stolen or bought in the black/grey market. I believe you could immediately execute every person who is convicted of using a gun in a crime and people would still do it. So there is no means of controlling others, control is a myth - see the natural rights discussion.
Human beings have free will and gun or no gun, someone who is determined to commit a crime is going to figure out a way to do it. Any attempt to control guns will just disarm victims.
Look man, some of that I agree with you, but if you go to another country and try to get back in with FRUIT, it ain't happening. They can stop you bringing in a peach but cannot stop illegal gun trafficking!!! C'mon! It's not like guns are a natural resource and people mine the earth for them. NO. They are manufactured. Treat them same as controlled substances and allow only those who are responsible to have them, and they must account for them on a regular basis. If you sell it to a criminal who removes the serial number, then you get to talk to men in dark suits in a very bright room.
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Look man, some of that I agree with you, but if you go to another country and try to get back in with FRUIT, it ain't happening. They can stop you bringing in a peach but cannot stop illegal gun trafficking!!! C'mon! It's not like guns are a natural resource and people mine the earth for them. NO. They are manufactured. Treat them same as controlled substances and allow only those who are responsible to have them, and they must account for them on a regular basis. If you sell it to a criminal who removes the serial number, then you get to talk to men in dark suits in a very bright room.
Are you aware most weapons used in crime are bought on the black market? And lots of black market weapons are brought in to the US illegally?
Put all the "regulations and controls" on honest citizens and the criminals will still get their guns on the black market.
Here's an even better idea! Just enforce the current gun laws and regulations and stop trying to punish the honest law abiding citizens.
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Are you aware most weapons used in crime are bought on the black market? And lots of black market weapons are brought in to the US illegally?
Put all the "regulations and controls" on honest citizens and the criminals will still get their guns on the black market.
Here's an even better idea! Just enforce the current gun laws and regulations and stop trying to punish the honest law abiding citizens.
What unenforced laws currently on the books will help one iota? Or are you just parroting something you heard on TV?
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What unenforced laws currently on the books will help one iota? Or are you just parroting something you heard on TV?
Are you always feigning ignorance as a way to make a point?
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Are you always feigning ignorance as a way to make a point?
I thought so. Whenever pressed for scrutiny you become an oversoaked noodle. Thanks for playing
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I thought so. Whenever pressed for scrutiny you become an oversoaked noodle. Thanks for playing
You can't be as ignorant as you come across on this board.
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So says Hillary........
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/31/clinton_every_right_that_we_have_is_open_to_and_subject_to_reasonable_regulations.html
She is openly saying what she thinks and the left is just devouring it and the media let's it go unchecked. Not even a mention about "certain unalienable rights" at all by Chris Wallace, he was too fixated on strictly the Second Amendment. She very clearly, and without any ambiguity, said that rights are subject to "reasonable regulations". Much like in the thread about self defense, who gets to decide what is "reasonable"?
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What unenforced laws currently on the books will help one iota? Or are you just parroting something you heard on TV?
Gun law violations are the first charge that is dismissed in prosecuting criminals for some reason, so the mandatory 10-year prison term (I believe) goes off the table.
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She is openly saying what she thinks and the left is just devouring it and the media let's it go unchecked. Not even a mention about "certain unalienable rights" at all by Chris Wallace, he was too fixated on strictly the Second Amendment. She very clearly, and without any ambiguity, said that rights are subject to "reasonable regulations". Much like in the thread about self defense, who gets to decide what is "reasonable"?
every dictator believes in reasonable restrictions in rights. To them, it is reasonable that nobody have the means or ability to resist.
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What unenforced laws currently on the books will help one iota? Or are you just parroting something you heard on TV?
Are you afraid that people who are free to defend themselves might do so against criminals who are black?
Is that racism to you, too?
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Gun law violations are the first charge that is dismissed in prosecuting criminals for some reason, so the mandatory 10-year prison term (I believe) goes off the table.
I've heard it otherwise. Example: Assault with a deadly weapon, brandishing, armed robbery...etc. The weapons are used to increase the severity of the crime.
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I've heard it otherwise. Example: Assault with a deadly weapon, brandishing, armed robbery...etc. The weapons are used to increase the severity of the crime.
Ahhh, no. The sentences are pled down to much shorter terms, or NO jail time at all. That is why there are so many convicted felons committing crimes again, and again.
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Ahhh, no. The sentences are pled down to much shorter terms, or NO jail time at all. That is why there are so many convicted felons committing crimes again, and again.
Lets see....Convicted.....FELONS....I wonder how they got that way.....Hmmmmmm.....was it because of a ......lemmme see......GUN CHARGE????
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Lets see....Convicted.....FELONS....I wonder how they got that way.....Hmmmmmm.....was it because of a ......lemmme see......GUN CHARGE????
you've never seen example of people guilty of multiple gun violations walk?
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Much as I hate to say it, the Hildebeast is exactly right. 1st Amendment. Can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. 2nd amendment. Can't own a thermonuclear warhead. And so it goes.
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Much as I hate to say it, the Hildebeast is exactly right. 1st Amendment. Can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. 2nd amendment. Can't own a thermonuclear warhead. And so it goes.
And what are the exceptions to the Third Amendment?
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And what are the exceptions to the Third Amendment?
Cops clearing out houses looking for the Boston Marathon bomber, for example.
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Cops clearing out houses looking for the Boston Marathon bomber, for example.
That strikes me as a violation of the fourth, not the third.
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That strikes me as a violation of the fourth, not the third.
Fourth has been more or less nonexistent for some time.
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Lets see....Convicted.....FELONS....I wonder how they got that way.....Hmmmmmm.....was it because of a ......lemmme see......GUN CHARGE????
That's a logical fallacy. It they start out life as a non-felon, they can carry a gun in accordance with state law. Owning a gun is not felonious if you aren't a felon.
Once you have committed a felony, with or without a gun, you are now a felon, and can't legally possess a gun.
If you possess a gun and with or without committing a subsequent felony (and we know that much more likely than not they WILL commit another felony) you will be charged with the unlawful possession of a weapon.
See?
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Much as I hate to say it, the Hildebeast is exactly right. 1st Amendment. Can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. 2nd amendment. Can't own a thermonuclear warhead. And so it goes.
is there not a difference between limitation and regulation?
or does the liberal mind think that regulation is always ok and benigh?
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Much as I hate to say it, the Hildebeast is exactly right. 1st Amendment. Can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. 2nd amendment. Can't own a thermonuclear warhead. And so it goes.
Nope. You both are terribly wrong. The problem is that she is a lawyer and should know better.
Not yelling fire in a crowded theater is NOT a limitation to the first. The charge would never cite such limitation. The charge would be inciting a riot, public endangerment, or other similar charge.
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is there not a difference between limitation and regulation?
Te liberal mind thinks there are limitations to behavior when we all have to live together.
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Te liberal mind thinks there are limitations to behavior when we all have to live together.
you are smart enough to understand having limitation isn't the same thing as regulation.
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Te liberal mind thinks there are limitations to behavior when we all have to live together.
Limitations based on common sense and not based on the almighty powerful central government deciding. There's a big difference Michael. ;)
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Fourth has been more or less nonexistent for some time.
Thanks to War on Drugs, and overreach of Federal Government.
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Te liberal mind thinks there are limitations to behavior when we all have to live together.
Right, the old "I have the right to swing my arms until they hit your nose." But the expansion of Progressivism (and I use the term politely) has put the "nose" into the reach of the arms. In other words, sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.
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Te liberal mind thinks there are limitations to behavior when we all have to live together.
The liberal mind is stuck in a perpetual loop of adolescent thought processes. "It's not fair!!"
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That's a logical fallacy. It they start out life as a non-felon, they can carry a gun in accordance with state law. Owning a gun is not felonious if you aren't a felon.
Once you have committed a felony, with or without a gun, you are now a felon, and can't legally possess a gun.
If you possess a gun and with or without committing a subsequent felony (and we know that much more likely than not they WILL commit another felony) you will be charged with the unlawful possession of a weapon.
See?
Problem with your line of thought is that there are only 2 things I can think of that earns a felony where the felon would be apt to further violate the conditions of their re-entry into society by having a firearm and that's: 1- Illegal use of a firearm and 2- Drug distribution charges. If you look at the demographics of that segment of felons you MIGHT see a purposeful yet sinister trend.
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The liberal mind is stuck in a perpetual loop of adolescent thought processes. "It's not fair!!"
The liberal mind is a closed, dark and frightened place.
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Problem with your line of thought is that there are only 2 things I can think of that earns a felony where the felon would be apt to further violate the conditions of their re-entry into society by having a firearm and that's: 1- Illegal use of a firearm and 2- Drug distribution charges. If you look at the demographics of that segment of felons you MIGHT see a purposeful yet sinister trend.
What's sinister? Bad guys who don't learn their lesson get locked up for longer? Boo hoo. I'd throw away the key.
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If you look at the demographics of that segment of felons you MIGHT see a purposeful yet sinister trend.
You mean the evil white guys criminalized drug crime so that it hits black people harder.
Do you know how absolutely stupid that sounds? We don't care about race, we didn't scheme to figure out how to hurt black people because we didn't have the first clue how people were going to act. What I observe today is that black people perform more drug crimes and are disportionately affected by drug sentences. If that bothers you then take a look at how to stop people from getting involved with drugs rather than trying to (yet again) blame white people for the problem of your toxic culture.
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This is an old concept. "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."
Enjoy this '70's flashback:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HNWhVXcjV8