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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on June 22, 2016, 05:14:18 PM

Title: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2016, 05:14:18 PM
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-06-22/senate-falls-1-vote-short-of-giving-fbi-access-to-browser-histories-without-court-order

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Privacy-minded senators on Wednesday blocked an amendment that would give the FBI power to take internet records, including browser histories and email metadata, without a court order. But the victory may be fleeting.

Just one vote kept the measure from clearing a 60-vote procedural hurdle, and political arm-twisting may soon result in a second vote. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., switched his vote to "no" to allow reconsideration in the near future. That made the final tally 58-38, with four senators not voting.

Critics of the proposed expansion of the FBI's ability to demand records with national security letters, or NSLs, are urging opponents to flood their senators with calls. There were some unexpected "yes" votes, such as Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, who they hope to flip as some of the four senators who did not vote are viewed as tougher sells.








Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: Little Joe on June 22, 2016, 05:20:04 PM
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-06-22/senate-falls-1-vote-short-of-giving-fbi-access-to-browser-histories-without-court-order
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There were some unexpected "yes" votes, such as Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas,
Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: LevelWing on June 22, 2016, 07:47:27 PM
It's interesting to see the comparisons between this and the gun bills being voted on. The same Republicans that are so quick to defend due process (most of them anyway) are just as quick to destroy the 4th Amendment.
Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: Bob Noel on June 23, 2016, 04:08:10 AM
What's the real risk here?

If you are afraid of your browser history, just delete it.   After all, it's perfectly legal... just look what the corrupt doormat did with her "unclassified"  (wink wink) emails.

Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: Lucifer on June 23, 2016, 04:52:39 AM
What's amazing are the big "C" conservatives that voted for this.  The same ones that are called "constitutionalist".  But at least they use words like "freedom" and "liberty" in their speeches......makes everything better. ::)
Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: Little Joe on June 23, 2016, 05:38:05 AM
What's the real risk here?

If you are afraid of your browser history, just delete it.   After all, it's perfectly legal... just look what the corrupt doormat did with her "unclassified"  (wink wink) emails.
Is your browser history stored only on your own computer? 

I suspect Google would have a way of finding it if it suited their purpose, which is to make money by compromising your privacy.
Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: JeffDG on June 23, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Is your browser history stored only on your own computer? 

I suspect Google would have a way of finding it if it suited their purpose, which is to make money by compromising your privacy.
There's a setting in Chrome to share your browser history and bookmarks and such between computers logged into your account.
Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: LevelWing on June 23, 2016, 05:47:59 AM
What's the real risk here?

If you are afraid of your browser history, just delete it.   After all, it's perfectly legal... just look what the corrupt doormat did with her "unclassified"  (wink wink) emails.
It's about the right to privacy and not having the government going on a fishing expedition, regardless of what it's for, without going through the proper channels.
Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: LevelWing on June 23, 2016, 05:49:45 AM
Is your browser history stored only on your own computer? 

I suspect Google would have a way of finding it if it suited their purpose, which is to make money by compromising your privacy.
Google is a private company and if you agree to their Terms of Service then they can do it, if that's what it says. It should take a lot more for the government to be able to get the information.
Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: You Only Live Twice on June 23, 2016, 05:52:56 AM
It's about the right to privacy and not having the government going on a fishing expedition, regardless of what it's for, without going through the proper channels.

SCOTUS just killed that theory yesterday.
Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: Little Joe on June 23, 2016, 05:54:40 AM
Google is a private company and if you agree to their Terms of Service then they can do it, if that's what it says. It should take a lot more for the government to be able to get the information.
True.  But my point is that the history is out there somewhere.  And if Google can get it, then I suspect the NSA or the FBI or that bastion of liberalness (the IRS) can too.  So merely deleting your local browser history will not protect you all that much.
Title: Re: Senate falls 1 Vote Short of Giving FBI access to browser history
Post by: Bob Noel on June 23, 2016, 07:16:17 AM
I suspect the tongue-in-check sarcasm of my post was too subtle.