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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jaybird180 on June 30, 2016, 07:20:50 AM
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This explains why I talk until I'm blue in the face. I think I'll just let my face stay it's natural hue more often.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/6-eye-opening-facts-about-how-differently-black-and-white-people-view-race_us_5773f678e4b0eb90355d1234?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Black+Voices+062916&utm_content=Black+Voices+062916+CID_883138438fd2d145c86608819c8e63e5&utm_source=Email+marketing+software&utm_term=6+Eye-Opening+Facts+About+How+Differently+Black+And+White+People+View+Race
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Yeah, its a real uphill battle. Too many Americans have their heads in the sand.
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I guess perception is reality.
Isn't there a world of difference between someone thinking they've been discriminated against and actually being discriminated against?
Do people not understand the concept of self-fulfilling prophesy?
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I guess perception is reality.
Isn't there a world of difference between someone thinking they've been discriminated against and actually being discriminated against?
Do people not understand the concept of self-fulfilling prophesy?
Thank you for underscoring the survey results.
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Thank you for underscoring the survey results.
apparently you don't understand what the survey is actually saying.
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Interesting. That survey measures attitude and perceptions, not facts and reality. And that is a fact.
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Interesting. That survey measures attitude and perceptions, not facts and reality. And that is a fact.
What exactly is a survey supposed to measure if not attitude and perception?
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REALITY, which is something the academic horde doesn;t face all that often anymore.
Again, insults don't change facts. How does one measure objective reality with a poll?
Thought I'd add this:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/politics/why-black-america-may-be-relieved-to-see-obama-go/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/politics/why-black-america-may-be-relieved-to-see-obama-go/index.html)
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Again, insults don't change facts. How does one measure objective reality with a poll?
While it would come close to a push poll, questions can be worded to include wording such as "Have you been denied a job because of your race?" If the answer is yes, "please provide evidence of your conclusion". That is a fact based poll question/follow-up. Again, it borders a push poll so those with more experience in formulating questions would be a valuable asset.
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While it would come close to a push poll, questions can be worded to include wording such as "Have you been denied a job because of your race?" If the answer is yes, "please provide evidence of your conclusion". That is a fact based poll question/follow-up. Again, it borders a push poll so those with more experience in formulating questions would be a valuable asset.
Translation: White people would be able to further deny the gap by rigging the test.
Case in Point: I took the ASTB- it's the test given for Naval Aviation candidates for USMC, USN and USCG. The test may only be taken twice in your lifetime. A portion of the test is academics: weather, aviation, oceanography, sailing...but a major portion of the scoring is lifestyle and family background. They have a profile of those they (preconceived) think will succeed and those that are likely to wash out, simply based on things like: Did you play team sports? or questions like: When you went sailing on your family boat, did you (a) operate the yardarm or (b) perform navigation duties? You have to get a 4-6-4 on the Stanine Scale. I got a 9-8-* - don't remember my third score but it was 7 or higher. I didn't pass my first time. I got 2's and 3's. Was the test biased? Hell yes!
Does the US Military have a diversity problem? Answer: It did at the time I was serving and I doubt it's been resolved in the short time since.
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So what do you want "us" to do, JB? We certainly don't want you to turn blue. Should we all sing "We Shall Overcome"? Should we become self-loathing white people? Should we push politicians to tax everyone more so the government can hand out more free stuff?
Is this part of the "discussion" (a/k/a lecture) on race I keep hearing about?
I'd just like to better understand the rules of the road.
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So what do you want "us" to do, JB? We certainly don't want you to turn blue. Should we all sing "We Shall Overcome"? Should we become self-loathing white people? Should we push politicians to tax everyone more so the government can hand out more free stuff?
Is this part of the "discussion" (a/k/a lecture) on race I keep hearing about?
I'd just like to better understand the rules of the road.
Stop trying to shift the kilter of the board.
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So what do you want "us" to do, JB? We certainly don't want you to turn blue. Should we all sing "We Shall Overcome"? Should we become self-loathing white people? Should we push politicians to tax everyone more so the government can hand out more free stuff?
Is this part of the "discussion" (a/k/a lecture) on race I keep hearing about?
I'd just like to better understand the rules of the road.
You've just been told point blank by someone who experienced it that there is profound racial bias in our society. Your answer appears to be to push your head deeper into the sand.
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I'm for us not hearing more complaints and start hearing recommendations for solutions.
Poverty and income differences between black families and white families? How about comparing that to HS and college graduations? More white people attend and graduate HS and college, so you would expect college graduates to make more money.
WHY do more white people graduate HS and college? Now you're getting somewhere. DC is one of the worst where 86% of white students graduate high school but only 58% of black students do. Are DC schools institutionally racist or are black students dropping out of school? Where does the fault lie?
I also think that when white people experience racism, we write it off. Black people write it down. Yes, I live in the south and when I'm out I experience racism pretty much daily in some form.
But I don't really care. My family has only been here about 100 years and we've dealt with our own racism. Nobody would hire my great-grandfather, the Mick, so he opened his own business, a bar and worked his way up. My grandfather worked that bar his whole life and pretty much went from working there to dying in the hospital from cancer. My grandmother was from polish mine workers, slaves to the company store - it's not just a song, it's family history. I was only the third fourth in my family to go to college and the first to go to graduate school.
How did we do it - work. It's four letter word.
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I'm for us not hearing more complaints and start hearing recommendations for solutions.
Poverty and income differences between black families and white families? How about comparing that to HS and college graduations? More white people attend and graduate HS and college, so you would expect college graduates to make more money.
WHY do more white people graduate HS and college? Now you're getting somewhere. DC is one of the worst where 86% of white students graduate high school but only 58% of black students do. Are DC schools institutionally racist or are black students dropping out of school? Where does the fault lie?
I also think that when white people experience racism, we write it off. Black people write it down. Yes, I live in the south and when I'm out I experience racism pretty much daily in some form.
But I don't really care. My family has only been here about 100 years and we've dealt with our own racism. Nobody would hire my great-grandfather, the Mick, so he opened his own business, a bar and worked his way up. My grandfather worked that bar his whole life and pretty much went from working there to dying in the hospital from cancer. My grandmother was from polish mine workers, slaves to the company store - it's not just a song, it's family history. I was only the third fourth in my family to go to college and the first to go to graduate school.
How did we do it - work. It's four letter word.
Go discover how redistricting works and let's talk. It's racism under the cover of economic redistribution, cloaked in the shield of resource reallocation.
There was a HUGE debate in my community (a wealthy one at that) about redistricting and how children were going to have to change schools. Thankfully, the parents said, "not this time" and the Government is having to rethink the issue (to find another way to force their hand).
Do you really think that white people achieve more on strictly merit?
My people have been working since we got here in 1555. So don't give me that crap!
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My family has only been here about 100 years and we've dealt with our own racism. Nobody would hire my great-grandfather, the Mick...
I doubt very strongly that anyone could have just looked at your father and known right off that he was Irish. No doubt the brogue gave him away. His kids probably didn't have it and could pass for whatever. Those of African ethnicity didn't exactly have that advantage.
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You've just been told point blank by someone who experienced it that there is profound racial bias in our society. Your answer appears to be to push your head deeper into the sand.
I took his answer differently. He asked a legitimate question.
What does Jaybird think we (white people) should do?
More legislation? We have tons of good legislation. It has helped somewhat, but you can't legislate people's personalities.
I think the onus is on people like Jaybird to make the effort t prove that black people don't need to be patronized in order for them to succeed. They need to EARN respect; not just demand it.
If white people saw more blacks worth respecting, then more white people would respect blacks.
But that is what I think. Stan was asking what Jaybird thinks.
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I took his answer differently. He asked a legitimate question.
What does Jaybird think we (white people) should do?
More legislation? We have tons of good legislation. It has helped somewhat, but you can't legislate people's personalities.
I think the onus is on people like Jaybird to make the effort t prove that black people don't need to be patronized in order for them to succeed. They need to EARN respect; not just demand it.
If white people saw more blacks worth respecting, then more white people would respect blacks.
But that is what I think. Stan was asking what Jaybird thinks.
I am at my station in life because I am a statistical anomaly, meaning I slipped through the cracks - a crack that may close at any time. That's what you don't, can't and won't understand - there's more to it than being industrious - we have been that.
What we need is for men of conscience to stop giving license to men of evil who play games of "hide the resources". Everytime we uncover one, apologists (like Stan) come along and try to excuse it away, while he rides away haughtily "refusing to apologize for his White Privilege" in a country that my fore-parents built and one that I continue support every day.
One day you gon' realize that IF Black people all in solidarity one day just said "Fuck it!" that America wouldn't be able to hold up her panties anymore and we could force the economic tables to turn - because that's really what its been all about, use and control of resources.
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Translation: White people would be able to further deny the gap by rigging the test.
Bovine scat. That's your translation, not mine and surely not how my statement was intended. Good grief, Jaybird, not everything is a conspiracy by whitey to keep the black man down. I'd hazard a guess and say I've hired more people of color than you have. Guess that's because of my white guilt >:(
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Tell us what it means then.
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Tell us what it means then.
It means precisely what I wrote. If we want fact based polls the questions must be fact based and not opinion based. Furthermore, your example straddles the push poll I mentioned on at least two occasions. A question for you; why is it racist to assume black folks go out on sailboats at the same rate as white folks?
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Go discover how redistricting works and let's talk. It's racism under the cover of economic redistribution, cloaked in the shield of resource reallocation.
Dude I'm from North Carolina. I'm very aware of how redistricting works. It's one of the reasons I took my son out of the failing public schools, because they changed our district 4 times in 3 years. We're also the land of gerrymandered congressional districts, take a look at the 12th congressional district in NC and remember that this is the "better", redrawn map. It's that way to ensure a black representative.
Do you really think that white people achieve more on strictly merit?
I think they have done it on effort. At least it worked for my family.
Why do you think black in DC are dropping out of school? Are the schools racist against them?
My people have been working since we got here in 1555. So don't give me that crap!
What crap? The crap that I wasn't here, my family had issues too and we've beat them by applying effort and not getting hung up in victimhood and defeatism? If you consider effort and work crap then I have a lower opinion of you.
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I doubt very strongly that anyone could have just looked at your father and known right off that he was Irish. No doubt the brogue gave him away. His kids probably didn't have it and could pass for whatever. Those of African ethnicity didn't exactly have that advantage.
Yes, it didn't happen when they looked at him, it happened when he spoke. My grandfather still had a touch of it and my grandmother sometimes slipped into polish. My father was born in New Jersey and had a different accent and a different kind of bias when he went to school in Greenville, SC.
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One day you gon' realize that IF Black people all in solidarity one day just said "Fuck it!" that America wouldn't be able to hold up her panties anymore and we could force the economic tables to turn - because that's really what its been all about, use and control of resources.
Ah, at last. The root, the source, of the problem, perhaps? Unexpressed anger? Belief that one or one's people are indispensable for the survival of America? Belief that one and one's people are powerless to change their lot in life, and as such are victims?
I read the Huffington link. Agree with Bob Noel ... to stay down, keep thinking, DOWN. You can make it happen for a long, long time. Or you can make DOWN irrelevant.
Along these lines, why don't Muslims reform, clean up the violence in their ranks? Perhaps for similar reasons; whatever the reasons, it is a losing, morbid and generation-after-generation-destroying, self-fulfilling practice.
Desmond Tutu said it's easier to find people to be against something than to be for something.
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One day you gon' realize that IF Black people all in solidarity one day just said "Fuck it!" that America wouldn't be able to hold up her panties anymore and we could force the economic tables to turn - because that's really what its been all about, use and control of resources.
That's f***ing racist.
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That's f***ing racist.
No, it's called common damn sense.
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Again, insults don't change facts. How does one measure objective reality with a poll?
Thought I'd add this:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/politics/why-black-america-may-be-relieved-to-see-obama-go/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/politics/why-black-america-may-be-relieved-to-see-obama-go/index.html)
Granted, racism exists. But I have grown weary of having policy differences and rejection of government overreach interpreted as racism.
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Stop trying to shift the kilter of the board.
Just as I thought. You just want a forum to bitch and complain, with a captive audience that is inclined to read your drivel, with no solutions forthcoming.
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You've just been told point blank by someone who experienced it that there is profound racial bias in our society. Your answer appears to be to push your head deeper into the sand.
So I'll ask you the same question. What would you have "us" do? Or is the plan that we just sit down, shut the fuck up, and listen to the derision, the anti-cop rhetoric, the conspiracy theories rooted in race, and all the other shit being thrown around?
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Just as I thought. You just want a forum to bitch and complain, with a captive audience that is inclined to read your drivel, with no solutions forthcoming.
It's not for you to solve, but you can stop being in the way. Stop antagonising everything you see because it looks foreign to you.
Remember: everything else has already failed. Why can't you be open to another way - that will save everyone...cause the way it is, we're all going to hell.
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I am at my station in life because I am a statistical anomaly, meaning I slipped through the cracks - a crack that may close at any time. That's what you don't, can't and won't understand - there's more to it than being industrious - we have been that.
What we need is for men of conscience to stop giving license to men of evil who play games of "hide the resources". Everytime we uncover one, apologists (like Stan) come along and try to excuse it away, while he rides away haughtily "refusing to apologize for his White Privilege" in a country that my fore-parents built and one that I continue support every day.
One day you gon' realize that IF Black people all in solidarity one day just said "Fuck it!" that America wouldn't be able to hold up her panties anymore and we could force the economic tables to turn - because that's really what its been all about, use and control of resources.
Screw yourself, JB. My grandparents came from Poland and Lithuania in the early 1900s. My great greatgrandmother was taken away to Siberia by the Russians and was never seen again. They all came to America not knowing much English, which was a trigger for cruel treatment by some.
My Lithuanian grandfather became a share crop farmer in Illinois, and also worked at a factory that manufactured school desks. He was a welder. My Polish grandfather sold caskets, and eventually partnered with other immigrants to found a savings and loan association in Chicago in 1920. When I worked there in the summers while in college, I found old ledger books from that era - all written in Polish.
My Wife's ancestors had similar experiences, from Irish coal miners in Scranton PA to Polish photo engravers in Detroit.
My point is, everyone has a history, and it's not always pretty. But my relatives worked hard to make their kids' lives, just as they worked to make my life better, and I work to make my kid's life better.
Am I white? Yes. Do I owe ANYONE an apology for it? Fuck no.
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It's not for you to solve, but you can stop being in the way. Stop antagonising everything you see because it looks foreign to you.
Remember: everything else has already failed. Why can't you be open to another way - that will save everyone...cause the way it is, we're all going to hell.
Speak for yourself regarding hell.
So, what is "another way." Please be specific.
Oh, and with respect to "resources," resources are what you make of them. When the black graduation rate in Milwaukee is below 50% in some precincts, despite spending $14,000 per student, I see that and see resources that are squandered.
When I talk to clients who interview 100 people, trim it down to 20, and a full half of them aren't hired because they failed the drug tests, I see resources squandered.
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No, it's called common damn sense.
So if you think you're full of common sense - are the DC schools racist or not? If not, why are black kids quitting more than white kids?
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I am at my station in life because I am a statistical anomaly, meaning I slipped through the cracks - a crack that may close at any time. That's what you don't, can't and won't understand - there's more to it than being industrious - we have been that.
What does that mean and why would you think it?
What we need is for men of conscience to stop giving license to men of evil who play games of "hide the resources". Everytime we uncover one, apologists (like Stan) come along and try to excuse it away, while he rides away haughtily "refusing to apologize for his White Privilege" in a country that my fore-parents built and one that I continue support every day.
One day you gon' realize that IF Black people all in solidarity one day just said "Fuck it!" that America wouldn't be able to hold up her panties anymore and we could force the economic tables to turn - because that's really what its been all about, use and control of resources.
Perhaps one day, you gon' realize that IF Black people all in solidarity, said "Damn it", we are going to pull our pants up, start respecting ourselves, stop taking drugs and buckle down and get an education and be twice as good and work twice as hard as anyone else, then you could take control of this whole fucking country. It might take a generation or two, but it would be better than 15 generations of making excuses.
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Yes, my progenitors came with nothing from persecution in Europe and deduct fine here. But they didn't have the stigma faced by those of African ancestry. No one could look at my ancestors and tell they were Jewish.
Jaybird has a point. As resources continue the inexorable redistribution toward the top the folks at the bottom feel more and more disenfranchised. Lots of people haven't had a raise in real terms since the 1980s. If people decide that they're governments are unresponsive and the game's rigged, the pitchforks will come out. There are hundreds of millions of firearms in this country. It could get really, really bad. It has before.
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Yes, my progenitors came with nothing from persecution in Europe and deduct fine here. But they didn't have the stigma faced by those of African ancestry. No one could look at my ancestors and tell they were Jewish.
Jaybird has a point. As resources continue the inexorable redistribution toward the top the folks at the bottom feel more and more disenfranchised. Lots of people haven't had a raise in real terms since the 1980s. If people decide that they're governments are unresponsive and the game's rigged, the pitchforks will come out. There are hundreds of millions of firearms in this country. It could get really, really bad. It has before.
You are right. Jaybird has a good point. Racism still exists.
Now, what does he expect white people to do about it,
and more importantly, what does he expect black people to do about it?
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What does that mean and why would you think it?
Perhaps one day, you gon' realize that IF Black people all in solidarity, said "Damn it", we are going to pull our pants up, start respecting ourselves, stop taking drugs and buckle down and get an education and be twice as good and work twice as hard as anyone else, then you could take control of this whole fucking country. It might take a generation or two, but it would be better than 15 generations of making excuses.
You could say this about White kids today. Statistically speaking whites are in a worse position, yet Black derelicts get all the negative press; I wonder why???
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You could say this about White kids today. Statistically speaking whites are in a worse position, yet Black derelicts get all the negative press; I wonder why???
Perhaps it is because people like you keep telling us that. And because black unemployment is so much higher than white. And because there "needs" to be "affirmative action".
I agree that white kids are a mess these days.
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Perhaps it is because people like you keep telling us that. And because black unemployment is so much higher than white. And because there "needs" to be "affirmative action".
I agree that white kids are a mess these days.
Interesting...Elaborate Please.
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Yes, my progenitors came with nothing from persecution in Europe and deduct fine here. But they didn't have the stigma faced by those of African ancestry. No one could look at my ancestors and tell they were Jewish.
Jaybird has a point. As resources continue the inexorable redistribution toward the top the folks at the bottom feel more and more disenfranchised. Lots of people haven't had a raise in real terms since the 1980s. If people decide that they're governments are unresponsive and the game's rigged, the pitchforks will come out. There are hundreds of millions of firearms in this country. It could get really, really bad. It has before.
Bullshit. "Resources," using the coded term used by you and JB, are not a zero sum game. That's the class warfare bullshit being driven by leftists wishing to divide the country along racial and economic lines, and anyone who furthers that lie will be complicit in the results of social unrest.
Finish high school, go to college or junior college, don't do drugs, don't join a gang, dont commit crimes, don't have a child out of wedlock, and the "resources" available for your exploitation are limitless, regardless of your skin color.
Fail any of those things, and the results are on you, not me.
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Bullshit. "Resources," using the coded term used by you and JB, are not a zero sum game. That's the class warfare bullshit being driven by leftists wishing to divide the country along racial and economic lines, and anyone who furthers that lie will be complicit in the results of social unrest.
Finish high school, go to college or junior college, don't do drugs, don't join a gang, dont commit crimes, don't have a child out of wedlock, and the "resources" available for your exploitation are limitless, regardless of your skin color.
Fail any of those things, and the results are on you, not me.
True, but not the entire story. There are limits on successful application of this idea. The limitations are not as great as they were 20 years ago, but they are still there; denial doesn't make them go away.
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Take a look at this article in Fortune Magazine- Credible enough for you???
http://fortune.com/black-executives-men-c-suite/
Why race and culture matter in the c-suite.
“There is a deep and shared mythology that it is a perfect meritocracy,”
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True, but not the entire story. There are limits on successful application of this idea. The limitations are not as great as they were 20 years ago, but they are still there; denial doesn't make them go away.
Neither does just talking about about it. I'll ask one more time. What do you want "us" to do? And what do you plan to do about it?
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True, but not the entire story. There are limits on successful application of this idea. The limitations are not as great as they were 20 years ago, but they are still there; denial doesn't make them go away.
Everyone faces artificial limitations. Everyone. You can bitch about them and blame someone else, or you can overcome them.
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"After the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., Bernard Tyson wrote a candid essay on LinkedIn about being a black man in America. “It was the image of an African-American kid, shot down and left in the street,” he says. “Regardless of how it happened, you personalize that.” Then he pauses, leaving unsaid the sentiment that many black men feel: It could have been me."
It could have been me, as well.
If I had strong-armed and robbed a shopkeeper, had ignored a request to get off the middle of the street, had reached into the cop car and punched the cop and tried to take his gun, had tried to run and then turned and charged the cop, it could have been me.
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"After the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., Bernard Tyson wrote a candid essay on LinkedIn about being a black man in America. “It was the image of an African-American kid, shot down and left in the street,” he says. “Regardless of how it happened, you personalize that.” Then he pauses, leaving unsaid the sentiment that many black men feel: It could have been me."
It could have been me, as well.
If I had strong-armed and robbed a shopkeeper, had ignored a request to get off the middle of the street, had reached into the cop car and punched the cop and tried to take his gun, had tried to run and then turned and charged the cop, it could have been me.
I read that as well. That told me more about the man than every other sentence in the article.
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I read that as well. That told me more about the man than every other sentence in the article.
Actually, it tells more about the author, not Tyson. Tyson "left it unsaid."
The author is attempting mind-reading, always a hazardous endeavor.
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Actually, it tells more about the author, not Tyson. Tyson "left it unsaid."
The author is attempting mind-reading, always a hazardous endeavor.
Sorry, I misread that. I thought the "It could have been me" line posted on LinkedIn came from Tyson.
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Neither does just talking about about it. I'll ask one more time. What do you want "us" to do? And what do you plan to do about it?
The "do" is a "not do".
It's not for you to solve, but you can stop being in the way. Stop antagonizing...
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The "do" is a "not do".
Oh, so just don't hurt feelings. Got it.
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What a prick!
:)
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I wonder how it is that only "white people" need to stop antagonizing...
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I wonder how it is that only "white people" need to stop antagonizing...
It doesn't matter if we just "stop it". We still get blamed for 200 years ago. Even if our ancestors lived in Italy at the time and when they came over here they were called names and discriminated against.
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It doesn't matter if we just "stop it". We still get blamed for 200 years ago. Even if our ancestors lived in Italy at the time and when they came over here they were called names and discriminated against.
or if our ancestors are what is termed "native americans"
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True, but not the entire story. There are limits on successful application of this idea. The limitations are not as great as they were 20 years ago, but they are still there; denial doesn't make them go away.
What limits? You keep suggesting that somehow high school limits children of black (and BTW brown) color, but not white or yellow color skin. But you can't talk about it.
You run in here, drop a load of crap on the floor and the strut around talking about how hurt you are. Sorry, I don't buy it. In the past 30 years I have never heard a black person say that they went to school, paid attention, studied hard, graduated and then say that they can't find a job because all the businesses are racist. Why? It doesn't happen.
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Such myopia.
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What limits? You keep suggesting that somehow high school limits children of black (and BTW brown) color, but not white or yellow color skin. But you can't talk about it.
You run in here, drop a load of crap on the floor and the strut around talking about how hurt you are. Sorry, I don't buy it. In the past 30 years I have never heard a black person say that they went to school, paid attention, studied hard, graduated and then say that they can't find a job because all the businesses are racist. Why? It doesn't happen.
Oh, I suspect it does happen. Quite often. It happens to a lot of white people too, but probably not near as much.
And I suspect a lot of it has to do with racism. And a lot of it has to do with stereotypes of blacks, much of which may be invalid.
But I say again, white people can't change the stereotypes. It is PRIMARILY up to blacks to change the stereotype. Just saying White People do the same things, or white people get more welfare than blacks, or there are more white criminals than black criminals, or cops beat up black people more than white people is not enough.
Blacks need to take stock of their situation, and do something productive about it. They need to EARN respect, not DEMAND it. They need to stop making excuses for the gang bangers and thugs. They need to work more to get higher education and higher grades. If they do that, discrimination will be cut dramatically. But as long as there are people that look different, there will be discrimination. We all have to live with that fact.
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Oh, I suspect it does happen. Quite often. It happens to a lot of white people too, but probably not near as much.
And I suspect a lot of it has to do with racism. And a lot of it has to do with stereotypes of blacks, much of which may be invalid.
But I say again, white people can't change the stereotypes. It is PRIMARILY up to blacks to change the stereotype. Just saying White People do the same things, or white people get more welfare than blacks, or there are more white criminals than black criminals, or cops beat up black people more than white people is not enough.
Blacks need to take stock of their situation, and do something productive about it. They need to EARN respect, not DEMAND it. They need to stop making excuses for the gang bangers and thugs. They need to work more to get higher education and higher grades. If they do that, discrimination will be cut dramatically. But as long as there are people that look different, there will be discrimination. We all have to live with that fact.
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apparently it's ok to label all "whites" as racist.
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The one good thing I can say is I really don't believe there is institutional racism in our society. What I mean by that is our laws are color blind as they're written. They are clearly not color blind as they are enforced. A black who murders a white is statistically more likely to receive capital punishment than a white who kills a black. Punishment for cocaine possention, a crime of white people, was far lighter than for crack cocaine possention, which was more prevalent in poorer populations more enriched for individuals of African descent. I could easily go on.
I suspect some of this is organic, but it winds up racist. We are indeed a racist nation, you cannot prove otherwise. I think we really ought to address the problem in a substantive way. People who feel disenfranchised and shut out have far less to loose than those who possess capital.
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Ok, even if the problem is more "them" (white people) than "us" (black people), it seems to me that blacks have more of a vested interest in fixing the problem. I would think that blacks would do everything they can to turn the situation around. I think it would be in their best interest to take the first step. And the second. And the third . . ., until they achieve the respect they desire.
The poster in the previous post was talking about history. Whether one thinks things have change enough is debatable, but if a white person is found to lynch a black person, or drag them behind a truck, or otherwise violate their civil rights, that white person is prosecuted. That didn't happen so much in the old days.
The feelings in that poster are part of the problem. It makes excuses and tries to put the onus on a group of people that really don't have much incentive to try to turn things around.
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The poster in the previous post was talking about history. Whether one thinks things have change enough is debatable, but if a white person is found to lynch a black person, or drag them behind a truck, or otherwise violate their civil rights, that white person is prosecuted. That didn't happen so much in the old days.
How does that square with the way Clarence Thomas was (and to an extent, continues to be) treated? Or Condi Rice, who was shouted down and excluded from campus speeches, or Ward Connerly, or many others.
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Ok, even if the problem is more "them" (white people) than "us" (black people), it seems to me that blacks have more of a vested interest in fixing the problem. I would think that blacks would do everything they can to turn the situation around. I think it would be in their best interest to take the first step. And the second. And the third . . ., until they achieve the respect they desire.
The poster in the previous post was talking about history. Whether one thinks things have change enough is debatable, but if a white person is found to lynch a black person, or drag them behind a truck, or otherwise violate their civil rights, that white person is prosecuted. That didn't happen so much in the old days.
The feelings in that poster are part of the problem. It makes excuses and tries to put the onus on a group of people that really don't have much incentive to try to turn things around.
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Well, Dyson is wrong about Trayvon, Zimmerman, and Obama.
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(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1049.0;attach=202;image)
Still waiting smart guy. You are still just pointing at whites and saying "their fault".
All you're convincing me of is that you just want to play victim. We commonly condone lynching, castrating and burning people...right? At least I do, do you?
So to me, it's apparent that the problem is yours to solve at this point. You don't get to have a toxic culture and then blame outsiders for that culture.