PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Bob Noel on July 06, 2016, 06:31:56 AM
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How many people would still have a valid pilot certificate is they were as "extremely careless" as the corrupt doormat?
How many people would still have firearms if they were as "extremely careless" as the corrupt doormat?
I'm completely disgusted by those that continue to defend the corrupt doormat. I just don't have the words to properly describe the level of digust and disappointment I feel.
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I'm completely disgusted by those that continue to defend the corrupt doormat. I just don't have the words to properly describe the level of digust and disappointment I feel.
Win at ALL cost, the way of the (new) world.
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How many people would still have a valid pilot certificate is they were as "extremely careless" as the corrupt doormat?
How many people would still have firearms if they were as "extremely careless" as the corrupt doormat?
I'm completely disgusted by those that continue to defend the corrupt doormat. I just don't have the words to properly describe the level of digust and disappointment I feel.
Here's a point everyone misses: Liberals will fight to win at any cost while conservatives sit over in the corner and complain. During the past 7 and 1/2 years Obama has fought and WON with a Republican congress and Senate and got virtually everything he has wanted.
If the Republicans had it in them to fight back just as hard, if not harder, things would be a lot different right now. If the Republicans would have fought Obama the way he has fought them their would have never been a President Obama to begin with.
The republicans are too concerned with protecting their donor class and getting re elected.
Right now Congress could act and begin an investigation (special prosecutor) in the Clinton criminal email activity. Ryan doesn't have the political will or back bone to do it. He will sabre rattle for a few days and it will die. 535 members of congress have betrayed the people they represent.
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Here's a point everyone misses: Liberals will fight to win at any cost while conservatives sit over in the corner and complain. During the past 7 and 1/2 years Obama has fought and WON with a Republican congress and Senate and got virtually everything he has wanted.
If the Republicans had it in them to fight back just as hard, if not harder, things would be a lot different right now. If the Republicans would have fought Obama the way he has fought them their would have never been a President Obama to begin with.
The republicans are too concerned with protecting their donor class and getting re elected.
Right now Congress could act and begin an investigation (special prosecutor) in the Clinton criminal email activity. Ryan doesn't have the political will or back bone to do it. He will sabre rattle for a few days and it will die. 535 members of congress have betrayed the people they represent.
Obama may have had a Republican Congress, but he still has the liberal media, which sways public opinion. They act like a biased referee calling fouls on Republicans only. It's no wonder the Rs are afraid to stand up for themselves. They will get pilloried in the press and people believe what they read.
That would be Trump's advantage. He won't be bullied by the press.
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Obama may have had a Republican Congress, but he still has the liberal media, which sways public opinion. They act like a biased referee calling fouls on Republicans only. It's no wonder the Rs are afraid to stand up for themselves. They will get pilloried in the press and people believe what they read.
That would be Trump's advantage. He won't be bullied by the press.
The republicans fear political correctness, and yes they fear the liberal media. But they fear losing the lobbyist and donors even more. They are elected to serve their donors and protect their interest over the common citizen.
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Maybe the republicans have higher standards than the DNC trash
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Maybe the republicans have higher standards than the DNC trash
No doubt.
But when confronted with a gun in a knife fight one should have a gun in their back pocket. The liberals are street brawlers and have used that technique effectively at stopping the republicans at every turn.
So do the republicans "take the high road" and sit in the corner while the liberals run roughshod over them or do they come back with more resolve? Which side ultimately wins?
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That would be Trump's advantage. He won't be bullied by the press.
He plays them like a fiddle.
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He plays them like a fiddle.
Yeah, like when Hillary's corruption was dominating the news cycle and he went and made a speech about how Saddam Hussein was a great leader. That got the attention on him really fast and off Hillary. I remember it like it was yesterday...oh wait, it was.
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Maybe the republicans have higher standards than the DNC trash
I would have agreed with you until this year.
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You guys are hopelessly partisan, leaving you with a dark red world-view that doesn't represent reality, which is much closer to the center than you want it to be. :) You also look at your own party with rose colored glasses, I think out of some false hope that your own political actors are altruistic do-gooders with only the will of the people in mind. Good luck with that.
American politics is a nasty business, where money talks and crooks (often) walk. In a comment about DNC trash, substitute RNC for DNC and the assertion still solidly holds. All that being said, the country still stands as the greatest in the world and folks still have their guns after decades of FEAR they'd be taken away.
If Hillary becomes president, it would truly suck. But so would the alternative. Either way, I think we'll be livid about the results of the election, but ultimately we'll survive.
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If Hillary becomes president, it would truly suck. But so would the alternative. Either way, I think we'll be livid about the results of the election, but ultimately we'll survive.
No, we will not survive long as we know it. We will EXIST. Hillary will appoint four, far left extremist Supreme Court Justices. The Second Amendment will be the first to go, then probably the First Amendment which is already at risk due to PC, and things like "Hate Speech". Your Natural Rights which the Constitution is supposed to protect will be gone.
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No, we will not survive long as we know it. We will EXIST. Hillary will appoint four, far left extremist Supreme Court Justices. The Second Amendment will be the first to go, then probably the First Amendment which is already at risk due to PC, and things like "Hate Speech". Your Natural Rights which the Constitution is supposed to protect will be gone.
Says you, and many others before you. Didn't happen. President Hillary will be some level of suck, but not world-ending suck. Trump will be no better, and probably worse. Welcome to America. We'll be alright and will live to hopefully put up better candidates next go-around.
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Says you, and many others before you. Didn't happen. President Hillary will be some level of suck, but not world-ending suck. Trump will be no better, and probably worse. Welcome to America. We'll be alright and will live to hopefully put up better candidates next go-around.
This is a paradigm shift. It is NOT business as usual, especially with the forced, purposeful change in Demographics that the Democrat Party (liberal/progressives) have orchestrated. Hispanics, and Muslims are flooding into the USA changing it from what was once attractive to people to another socialist hell hole. No, this is not the same. We will NOT be "OK".
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This is a paradigm shift. It is NOT business as usual, especially with the forced, purposeful change in Demographics that the Democrat Party (liberal/progressives) have orchestrated. Hispanics, and Muslims are flooding into the USA changing it from what was once attractive to people to another socialist hell hole. No, this is not the same. We will NOT be "OK".
You're welcome to your opinion, of course.
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You're welcome to your opinion, of course.
For now.
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For now.
Well played.
PS - Quit your hate speech.
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This is a paradigm shift. It is NOT business as usual, especially with the forced, purposeful change in Demographics that the Democrat Party (liberal/progressives) have orchestrated. Hispanics, and Muslims are flooding into the USA changing it from what was once attractive to people to another socialist hell hole. No, this is not the same. We will NOT be "OK".
What is happening in American politics today is similar to the "Global Warming Hockey Stick".
Except, this time it's real.
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I would have agreed with you until this year.
don't forget your post about the estimated 12 million democrats voting for the donald.
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don't forget your post about the estimated 12 million democrats voting for the donald.
The Republican party permitted that to happen.
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No, we will not survive long as we know it. We will EXIST. Hillary will appoint four, far left extremist Supreme Court Justices. The Second Amendment will be the first to go, then probably the First Amendment which is already at risk due to PC, and things like "Hate Speech". Your Natural Rights which the Constitution is supposed to protect will be gone.
Then we no longer have the United States of America.
Arm up, boys.
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The Republican party permitted that to happen.
understood, but it was still democrats voting for the donald.
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You're welcome to your opinion, of course.
Well how generous of you. :)
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Then we no longer have the United States of America.
It is my belief that our Republic as we know it is dead. Only drastic measures can re-start it, or resurrect it. That is not about to happen as people no longer care about freedom, and liberty, but security, and mere, banal distraction.
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It is my belief that our Republic as we know it is dead. Only drastic measures can re-start it, or resurrect it. That is not about to happen as people no longer care about freedom, and liberty, but security, and mere, banal distraction.
You nailed it.
Unfortunately.
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She blew it using her own E-mail server, I won't deny that. But if I'm reading this correctly, there were like 100 E-mails that contained classified material. I get fifty E-mails a day, and I'm nobody. I can only imagine how many the Secretary of State gets, especially since she was already butt famous and had lived in the White House for eight years. I assume the number is in the hundreds, if not thousands. And a hundred were bad news.
Again, she really blew it using a non-govco server, though whether the govco server would have been any more secure is at best questionable (They get hacked all the time). Still, this is a scandal purely of her making over which she could have exercised control.
But in four years she had 100 bad E-mails. Doesn't sound like the end of civilization as we know it, sorry.
Should she have remembered there were 100 classified E-mails in all that? I doubt I would have.
The GOP will do their best to maximize the fallout from this, they're already scheduling hearings to drag the head of the FBI before Congress to explain himself. I never thought this would rise to the level of indictment, not enough to prosecute.
What does this say about the Hildebeast? Really, nothing we already didn't know. Will it affect the election? I strongly doubt it. I strongly doubt the GOP can drag this out that long. No indictment, no story, no legs. Trump of course dropped the ball on the whole thing and instead gave even more people reasons to dislike him. The story has been out for awhile, I doubt anyone new will be outraged, I doubt anyone will be changing their minds over this. Conventions are in a few weeks and by the time they're done I doubt anyone will be that worried about this. Trump will talk about it until he's blue in the face, but it won't do him a bald bit of good. Hillary is a really poor politician, but Trump is even worse. Way worse.
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She blew it using her own E-mail server, I won't deny that. But if I'm reading this correctly, there were like 100 E-mails that contained classified material. I get fifty E-mails a day, and I'm nobody. I can only imagine how many the Secretary of State gets, especially since she was already butt famous and had lived in the White House for eight years. I assume the number is in the hundreds, if not thousands. And a hundred were bad news.
Again, she really blew it using a non-govco server, though whether the govco server would have been any more secure is at best questionable (They get hacked all the time). Still, this is a scandal purely of her making over which she could have exercised control.
But in four years she had 100 bad E-mails. Doesn't sound like the end of civilization as we know it, sorry.
Should she have remembered there were 100 classified E-mails in all that? I doubt I would have.
The GOP will do their best to maximize the fallout from this, they're already scheduling hearings to drag the head of the FBI before Congress to explain himself. I never thought this would rise to the level of indictment, not enough to prosecute.
What does this say about the Hildebeast? Really, nothing we already didn't know. Will it affect the election? I strongly doubt it. I strongly doubt the GOP can drag this out that long. No indictment, no story, no legs. Trump of course dropped the ball on the whole thing and instead gave even more people reasons to dislike him. The story has been out for awhile, I doubt anyone new will be outraged, I doubt anyone will be changing their minds over this. Conventions are in a few weeks and by the time they're done I doubt anyone will be that worried about this. Trump will talk about it until he's blue in the face, but it won't do him a bald bit of good. Hillary is a really poor politician, but Trump is even worse. Way worse.
You keep comparing the 100 to the 1,000s she received.
But I compare the 100 to the ZERO she claimed, over and over and over.
And that doesn't include the thousands of emails she deleted to cover her ass.
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Hillary is a really poor politician, but Trump is even worse. Way worse.
Trump didn't spend his entire adult life living off the taxpayer's teat.
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Trump didn't spend his entire adult life living off the taxpayer's teat.
You have no idea whatsoever what Trump has spent his entire adult life living off of. For all your know he's spent it living off his family's teat, which I don't see as much of an accomplishment. Please don't tell me how you know because you don't. All you have is the Donald's say so. If Trump wins there will truly be a sea change in American politics. The GOP will not survive his presidency.
But when Hillary wins the election things will go on as they have. Yes, she will appoint left leaning justices to the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS will swing to the left for awhile. The pendulum swings both ways. But Congress is in the hands of the GOP and the House will stay that way at least. I suspect if the Senate changes it will change back in the midterm elections. On possible change is Hillary might be able to get Congress working again and forge some sort of consensus.
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You keep comparing the 100 to the 1,000s she received.
But I compare the 100 to the ZERO she claimed, over and over and over.
And that doesn't include the thousands of emails she deleted to cover her ass.
There's also the fact that she deleted 10s of thousands of e-mails, in the FBI's words "before the evidentiary value could be assessed".
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nothing but excuses from the liberal pukes.
disgusting.
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You have no idea whatsoever what Trump has spent his entire adult life living off of. For all your know he's spent it living off his family's teat, which I don't see as much of an accomplishment. Please don't tell me how you know because you don't. All you have is the Donald's say so. If Trump wins there will truly be a sea change in American politics. The GOP will not survive his presidency.
Bullshit. Man, you are ignorant...
Go read this:
https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Art-Deal-Donald-J/dp/0345479173
Ever been to New York City?
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I am curious how anyone cannot see a conflict of interest when Bill C meets with the head of Justice and Obama flys with Hillary on AF1. While no deals may have been struck, considering Justice has announced no charges, something certainly stinks.
There should be a special prosecutor appointed to sort out the email bullshit and a separate one to investigate Bill and Hillary's coersion.
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I am curious how anyone cannot see a conflict of interest when Bill C meets with the head of Justice and Obama flys with Hillary on AF1. While no deals may have been struck, considering Justice has announced no charges, something certainly stinks.
There should be a special prosecutor appointed to sort out the email bullshit and a separate one to investigate Bill and Hillary's coersion.
And what is happening with the investigation into the Clinton foundation. That just got really quiet.
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I am curious how anyone cannot see a conflict of interest when Bill C meets with the head of Justice and Obama flys with Hillary on AF1. While no deals may have been struck, considering Justice has announced no charges, something certainly stinks.
There should be a special prosecutor appointed to sort out the email bullshit and a separate one to investigate Bill and Hillary's coersion.
She is untouchable.
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Bullshit. Man, you are ignorant...
Go read this:
https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Art-Deal-Donald-J/dp/0345479173
Ever been to New York City?
Now THIS is irony of the best sort. You're telling a published author how much another author must have earned from royalties. Ever published book? How many did you sell? How rich are you?
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Now THIS is irony of the best sort. You're telling a published author how much another author must have earned from royalties. Ever published book? How many did you sell? How rich are you?
What the fuck are you screeching about now? How is this about me? We're talking about Trump. How many BUILDINGS have you created? How rich are you vs Mr Trump? I'll bet his wardrobe exceeds your net worth.
BTW, I am published in numerous technical trade journals. Are you the ghost writer of Obama's "autobiography"?
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Why does it go back to jealousy with you, so often, when you choose to hate others?
I realize that the communist movement is based on jealousy and you wrap yourself in it every chance you get but why are YOU so personally jealous of Donald Trump?
Again, insults don't change facts. I don't like Trump because I think he's a bigoted misogynist antisemitic blowhard. But I am not in an way jealous of anything he's got. I ought to be jealous of his ladies, but seeing how he went through three of them I think I'll take a pass at that show.
What the fuck are you screeching about now? How is this about me? We're talking about Trump. How many BUILDINGS have you created? How rich are you vs Mr Trump? I'll bet his wardrobe exceeds your net worth.
You linked to his book when I said you didn't have a clue what he was worth. Since you were pointing out his book I assume you thought it was his book that made him rich. Given my own royalties I find that spectacularly difficult to believe. Anyhow, you simply don't know that. You don't know what the Donald is worth. For all you know he's worth exactly what he's inherited and not a penny more. Could be he's worth quite a bit less. The reason this is important is his whole raison de etre in this thing is he claims to be some sort of superlative business man and he'll bring his business savvy to DC. Sorry, I guy who's worth what he inherited is no superlative anything other than preternaturally lucky.
BTW, I am published in numerous technical trade journals. Are you the ghost writer of Obama's "autobiography"?
No, I'm also the author of numerous scientific articles, and my royalties on those couldn't buy the jack pad I need for the airplane. My book royalties couldn't pay for the annual on my airplane, and I sold a lot of books. Trump may be rich and he may not, I don't know. But I find it very hard to believe he got rich off book royalties. The only authors I ever heard of that got rich either had their books optioned into movies or started religions.
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The only authors I ever heard of that got rich either had their books optioned into movies or started religions.
The point you missed was that Trump, while having some level of White Privilege, made it far beyond the dreams from his father. The Manhattan skyline has numerous buildings bearing his name and others. He built that. It's documented, up until the late 80's, in the book I referenced. No one gets rich from text books, except the publisher. I'm sure he received a generous advance from S&S for that book, and subsequent ones.
BTW, Obama got rich having a book published under his byline.
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BTW, Obama got rich having a book published under his byline.
Think Barry shared any of his royalties with Bill Ayers (his ghost writer)?
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The point you missed was that Trump, while having some level of White Privilege, made it far beyond the dreams from his father. The Manhattan skyline has numerous buildings bearing his name and others. He built that. It's documented, up until the late 80's, in the book I referenced. No one gets rich from text books, except the publisher. I'm sure he received a generous advance from S&S for that book, and subsequent ones.
Actually, Trump has optioned his name and the money of others for numerous projects, a feat of which he has boasted on more than one occasion. Moreover, he often leverages far more from investors than he himself puts in, another feat of which he has boasted.
This is not in any way to denigrate his accomplishments, far from it. He is a very successful self-promoter. However, when the topic turns to his wealth and its actual extent one must take into account that he doesn't actually own many of those buildings that bear his name. How many he does own and how much of them is his is a subject of conjecture, since the details are private and have not been divulged.
As I have said over and over, you have no idea whatsoever of the extent of his wealth. All you have is his own description with no verification of any kind. You guys appear immune to this simple realization.
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Actually, Trump has optioned his name and the money of others for numerous projects, a feat of which he has boasted on more than one occasion. Moreover, he often leverages far more from investors than he himself puts in, another feat of which he has boasted.
This is not in any way to denigrate his accomplishments, far from it. He is a very successful self-promoter. However, when the topic turns to his wealth and its actual extent one must take into account that he doesn't actually own many of those buildings that bear his name. How many he does own and how much of them is his is a subject of conjecture, since the details are private and have not been divulged.
As I have said over and over, you have no idea whatsoever of the extent of his wealth. All you have is his own description with no verification of any kind. You guys appear immune to this simple realization.
Bottom line, IT DOESN'T MATTER what number shows up in the balance sheet, and as he's pointed out it's in flux constantly. Anyone with an elementary school understanding of finance knows that. He has enough to run a campaign up to this point beholden to no one. He's already obviously very well off, so he doesn't need to make his fortune from politics and all the insider goodies that congressthieves look forward to. Look how he lives. His personal wealth, whatever the number is, gives him the security to be his own man. I'll bet you never saw his 80's interviews on Youtube; he is hugely the same guy today. Big developers don't necessarily own their creations outright.
Billary is very wealthy now, supposedly they were dirt poor when they stole the W's from the White House computer keyboards. How did that happen? What has she built?
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Bottom line, IT DOESN'T MATTER what number shows up in the balance sheet, and as he's pointed out it's in flux constantly. Anyone with an elementary school understanding of finance knows that. He has enough to run a campaign up to this point beholden to no one. He's already obviously very well off, so he doesn't need to make his fortune from politics and all the insider goodies that congressthieves look forward to. Look how he lives. His personal wealth, whatever the number is, gives him the security to be his own man. I'll bet you never saw his 80's interviews on Youtube; he is hugely the same guy today. Big developers don't necessarily own their creations outright.
Trump is of course entitled to his opulence, I would never say he isn't. However, I contend that what is on that balance sheet is supremely important. Again, he is claiming his chief (and only) qualification to be POTUS is that he amassed wealth. If he didn't amass wealth, that whole argument goes out the window. You have no way whatsoever to address this. The fact that he wrote a book doesn't, lots of poor people write books, indeed poverty goes hand in hand with professional literacy. That fact that buildings sport his name doesn't cut it either. Lots of buildings sport the name of Jefferson and he died penniless. This is a simple fact, I cannot believe you don't get it. YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY TRUMP HAS. Without that little datum you don't know how successful he is or isn't. And without his boundless success in business his only qualifications for high office are a pretty wife and active twitter account.
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Again, he is claiming his chief (and only) qualification to be POTUS is that he amassed wealth.
Bullshit.
He BUILT things, which have given him and his family, and countless others, a nice living.
What has Clinton built? How many jobs were created as a result?
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Bullshit.
He BUILT things, which have given him and his family, and countless others, a nice living.
What has Clinton built? How many jobs were created as a result?
Well, she at least created a temp job for an email server administrator. That's something right?
The FBI said her email server was not even as secure as a Gmail account.
I wonder if the NSA has copies of her emails....
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Bullshit.
He BUILT things, which have given him and his family, and countless others, a nice living.
What has Clinton built? How many jobs were created as a result?
Your logic is utterly facetious. You're claiming every contractor in the country would automatically make good Presidents because they constructed things. That's like saying I'd make a good neurosurgeon because I used to vasectomize mice.
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Your logic is utterly facetious. You're claiming every contractor in the country would automatically make good Presidents because they constructed things. That's like saying I'd make a good neurosurgeon because I used to vasectomize mice.
OMG, the IRONY!!!!
What exactly do you "teach", anyway?
"I'd make a good neurosurgeon because I used to vasectomize mice."
This explains much.
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Hey, I found a picture of "Steinholme" on the internets:
(https://assets.entrepreneur.com/content/3x2/1300/1405361207-ivory-tower-corner-office.jpg)
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OMG, the IRONY!!!!
What exactly do you "teach", anyway?
"I'd make a good neurosurgeon because I used to vasectomize mice."
This explains much.
Again, insults only indicate that you lack cogent argument. The dialectic that Trump uses is "I've created great wealth for myself, therefore I know how to run the United States". Were it true I wouldn't buy it, but lots of people do. It may be, but we don't know. All we know is Trump lives a lifestyle conversant with inheriting gobs of money, which he did.
The dialectic you're using is "he built buildings, therefore he knows how to run the United States". To be honest, I really don't know what one has to do with another. But lets go with it. That makes every architect and building contractor in American qualified to be President in your book, despite the fact that building shopping malls has little to do with being POTUS. Indeed performing vasectomies on mice has more to do with neurosurgery than building a skyscraper has to do with government.
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Again, insults don't change facts. I don't like Trump because I think he's a bigoted misogynist antisemitic blowhard. But I am not in an way jealous of anything he's got. I ought to be jealous of his ladies, but seeing how he went through three of them I think I'll take a pass at that show.
Are you aware his son-in-law is Jewish and Ivanka has converted to Judaism? I guess not, it's just easier to repeat what you read on Democratic Underground. ::)
Get a clue Michael!
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The point you missed was that Trump, while having some level of White Privilege, made it far beyond the dreams from his father. The Manhattan skyline has numerous buildings bearing his name and others. He built that. It's documented, up until the late 80's, in the book I referenced. No one gets rich from text books, except the publisher. I'm sure he received a generous advance from S&S for that book, and subsequent ones.
BTW, Obama got rich having a book published under his byline.
I will say this. Having your name on something doesn't gaurantee wealth from it. Further, I have a good deal of experience with "wealthy" real estate developers and operators. Most developers are one downturn away from insolvency, and are frequently illiquid.
This is how it works: Developer buys land and builds a building, and finances most of it. Let's say his costs are $10 million. He personally invests $500,000, and finances $9.5mm. He leases the building, and the lease values bring the building value up to $12 million. Developer takes out a loan for $11mm, pays off his construction loan of $9.5mm, and rolls the $1.5mm excess funds into project #2.
Meanwhile, the market tanks, or the anchor tenant pulls out, and the market value of the property falls to $9 million. He owes $11mm, and so is underwater by $2mm. He is insolvent with respect to that project. Ah, but he has $1.5mm in equity on project #2. But he can't just "get it out," and so he can't help out project #1 with his equity in project #2. And so on and so on.
I'm not saying Trump is insolvent. What I'm saying is that in real estate development, you cannot gauge how successful someone is by how many properties he "owns." It could all be wealth on paper, which is elusive, and can disappear quickly.
And since he refuses to release his tax returns, all we know is what Trump has sold us. It is unverifiable.
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True, but the results are real. The businesses and jobs created are real.
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Are you aware his son-in-law is Jewish and Ivanka has converted to Judaism? I guess not, it's just easier to repeat what you read on Democratic Underground. ::)
Get a clue Michael!
If were going to vote for an MOT I'd have voted for the Bern, which I didn't. Rather proud of that fact, actually.
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If were going to vote for an MOT I'd have voted for the Bern, which I didn't. Rather proud of that fact, actually.
What's an MOT?
And you didn't answer the question:
Are you aware his son-in-law is Jewish and Ivanka has converted to Judaism?
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What's an MOT?
Member of the Tribe, referring to the long lost tribes of Israel.
And you didn't answer the question:
I thought my response was answer enough. I really don't care that his daughter converted or that his son-in-law is Jewish, just like I didn't care that Bernie was Jewish. What I care about is their politics and what I expect them to do if elected. The fact that Trump has Jewish family makes his trolling of white supremacist materials all the more damning.
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Trump is of course entitled to his opulence, I would never say he isn't. However, I contend that what is on that balance sheet is supremely important. Again, he is claiming his chief (and only) qualification to be POTUS is that he amassed wealth. If he didn't amass wealth, that whole argument goes out the window. You have no way whatsoever to address this. The fact that he wrote a book doesn't, lots of poor people write books, indeed poverty goes hand in hand with professional literacy. That fact that buildings sport his name doesn't cut it either. Lots of buildings sport the name of Jefferson and he died penniless. This is a simple fact, I cannot believe you don't get it. YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY TRUMP HAS. Without that little datum you don't know how successful he is or isn't. And without his boundless success in business his only qualifications for high office are a pretty wife and active twitter account.
Back to nothing but the petty jealousy of an academic who hates that Donald Trump was allowed to inherit from his father.
Without jealousy your entire argument collapses.
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Back to nothing but the petty jealousy of an academic who hates that Donald Trump was allowed to inherit from his father.
Without jealousy your entire argument collapses.
Again, insults only show a lack of cogent argument. My only point is if someone starts with the same amount as they end with I don't see that as a rousing success. If you take a large fortune and turn it into a small fortune making airplanes you might be a sensational airplane maker, but you aren't much of a businessman.
That's where my point about Trump comes from. You really don't know that he's all that successful, except he managed to get his name plastered on a bunch of buildings. Sports Authority has theirs on a big shiny stadium, and I wouldn't cite them as a model for success.
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Again, insults only show a lack of cogent argument. My only point is if someone starts with the same amount as they end with I don't see that as a rousing success. If you take a large fortune and turn it into a small fortune making airplanes you might be a sensational airplane maker, but you aren't much of a businessman.
That's where my point about Trump comes from. You really don't know that he's all that successful, except he managed to get his name plastered on a bunch of buildings. Sports Authority has theirs on a big shiny stadium, and I wouldn't cite them as a model for success.
Academics live in a fantasy world that rarely if ever touches the real world. This is why there is such a disconnect when trying to discuss something like business. The academic's knowledge is based on theories and philosophies of other academics without a basis on real world business.
Your view of what constitutes "success" in the business world is very naive at best.
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Academics live in a fantasy world that rarely if ever touches the real world. This is why there is such a disconnect when trying to discuss something like business. The academic's knowledge is based on theories and philosophies of other academics without a basis on real world business.
Your view of what constitutes "success" in the business world is very naive at best.
Academics are people, living in the real world, and many of them start and run businesses. Don't be stupid.
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Academics are people, living in the real world, and many of them start and run businesses. Don't be stupid.
Right. ::)
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Right. ::)
Quite the intelligent answer. Look, here's (http://puremolecular.com/about/) a professor running a business! Gets a lot of press down here because seafood fraud is rampant.
Again, don't let your anti-academic partisanship make you stupid. There is an entire range of folks in academia, from those who know little about business to those who run business or even lecture on how to do so.
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Quite the intelligent answer. Look, here's (http://puremolecular.com/about/) a professor running a business! Gets a lot of press down here because seafood fraud is rampant.
Again, don't let your anti-academic partisanship make you stupid. There is an entire range of folks in academia, from those who know little about business to those who run business or even lecture on how to do so.
Whatever. I've owned and operated a very successful business. Had I followed what some academic who has never stepped foot outside of academia and had never been in the real world had decided on what the ideal way to operate a business, I would have been out of business.
The world is full of academics who live in the fantasy world of academia and never venture out into reality, yet they would try to make you believe their assumed superiority over the masses enlightens them to know what's best for the "unwashed masses".
Michael is going on and on about what constitutes a successful business, but outside of blowing bubbles up mice asses I doubt he has ever attempted to upstart and run a business.
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Whatever. I've owned and operated a very successful business. Had I followed what some academic who has never stepped foot outside of academia and had never been in the real world had decided on what the ideal way to operate a business, I would have been out of business.
The world is full of academics who live in the fantasy world of academia and never venture out into reality, yet they would try to make you believe their assumed superiority over the masses enlightens them to know what's best for the "unwashed masses".
Michael is going on and on about what constitutes a successful business, but outside of blowing bubbles up mice asses I doubt he has ever attempted to upstart and run a business.
RIIIIIGHT, sure you have.
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So now the argument is "the guy doesn't run a business, therefore his opinion isn't worth squat. Gee, thanks. Only businesspeople are allowed an opinion in this country. What a great place.
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Whatever. I've owned and operated a very successful business.
But how do we know Obama is a Christia...err that you owned and operated a successful business?
The world is full of academics who live in the fantasy world of academia and never venture out into reality, yet they would try to make you believe their assumed superiority over the masses enlightens them to know what's best for the "unwashed masses".
Michael is going on and on about what constitutes a successful business, but outside of blowing bubbles up mice asses I doubt he has ever attempted to upstart and run a business.
Blah blah. Anti-academic bullshit.
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So now the argument is "the guy doesn't run a business, therefore his opinion isn't worth squat. Gee, thanks. Only businesspeople are allowed an opinion in this country. What a great place.
You have demonstrated you don't understand what constitutes a successful business and you disparage others for offering a different opinion and who are a bit more qualified on the subject.
Perhaps you should start a thread on vasectomies on mice and argue over that. I'm sure you would immediately down play anyone who offered up an opinion on that subject and cite your credentials, often.
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Blah blah. Anti-academic bullshit.
Bla bla bla......liberal nonsense.
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Bla bla bla......liberal nonsense.
How do we know you've run a business?
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How do we know you've run a business?
I personally don't care if you know or not.
BTW, nice how you've derailed the topic here to make yet another inane point. Liberalism at it's finest.
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How do we know you've run a business?
Because he claimed to be a business owner and operator?
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Because he claimed to be a business owner and operator?
Remember, under liberal talking points, ALL businesses were created by the government, not individuals.
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You have demonstrated you don't understand what constitutes a successful business and you disparage others for offering a different opinion and who are a bit more qualified on the subject.
What constitutes a successful business is at its heart really, really simple. You wind up with more capital than you started with. How you get there can bet a bit complicated.
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Because he claimed to be a business owner and operator?
Hypocrites (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=1065.msg19430#msg19430) don't get that liberty.
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I personally don't care if you know or not.
BTW, nice how you've derailed the topic here to make yet another inane point. Liberalism at it's finest.
Topic was derailed pages ago. But your attempt to misplace blame is typical of Conservatism (not really, just trying out this broad brush strokes thing).
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What constitutes a successful business is at its heart really, really simple. You wind up with more capital than you started with. How you get there can bet a bit complicated.
Yes, it's simple: