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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Mase on July 18, 2016, 12:07:22 PM
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That makes Mosby zero for four.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-rice-verdict-20160718-story.html (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-rice-verdict-20160718-story.html)
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She should be Nifong'ed as the racist activist she is.
Michael Byron "Mike" Nifong is a former North Carolina attorney. He was the district attorney for Durham County, North Carolina but was removed, disbarred and jailed following court findings concerning his conduct in the Duke lacrosse case. Wikipedia
Emphasis mine.
'Gimp
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She should be Nifong'ed as the racist activist she is.
Emphasis mine.
'Gimp
Agreed. She over charged and is now paying the price for it. She was probably using this as a stepping stone for another political position but at this point that's probably not going to happen. This has to be embarrassing for her.
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I thought she was already 0-4. Huh.
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Agreed. She over charged and is now paying the price for it. She was probably using this as a stepping stone for another political position but at this point that's probably not going to happen. This has to be embarrassing for her.
How is she paying the price? I agree with Gimp. She needs to be disbarred at a minimum.
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I thought she was already 0-4. Huh.
To be precise, she's 0-3-1 right now, with one hung jury. The other three defendants sensibly dispensed with 12 people who couldn't get out of jury duty.
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How is she paying the price? I agree with Gimp. She needs to be disbarred at a minimum.
She hasn't gotten a single conviction yet. I'm not disagreeing with the disbarment, either. She went out of her way to charge cops in attempt to create social justice and didn't look at the facts or even take it to a grand jury.
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She hasn't gotten a single conviction yet. I'm not disagreeing with the disbarment, either. She went out of her way to charge cops in attempt to create social justice and didn't look at the facts or even take it to a grand jury.
Or, overcharged to instantly appease the people knowing the charges wouldn't stand up in the end?
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on one hand, a prosecutor who overcharges local cops and can't get a conviction
on the other hand, a prosecutor who won't charge a corrupt POS who clearly lied under oath about mishandling classified material.
hmmmmmmmmm
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Funny, the Hildbeast was never even charged but to you guys she's guilty anyway. These guys have ben exonerated by a jury so they must be innocent.
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Funny, the Hildbeast was never even charged but to you guys she's guilty anyway. These guys have ben exonerated by a jury so they must be innocent.
Actually, no.
Only one trial was before a jury, which hung. The rest were bench trials decided by a judge.
And the evidence presented by Comey belies his conclusion.
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You guys are pushing for a disbarment for an attorney who was already pushing a rock uphill and have the nerve to call her racist...smh, when some of the cops she's prosecuting are of her own race.
You do realize that the bar is indeed high for convicting a cop! There are published stats on the conviction rate of police. For example:
The rate of LEOs charged with murder is 1.06% higher than the current general population murder rate...If complaints involving fatalities were prosecuted as murder the murder rate for Law Enforcement would exceed the general population murder rate by 472%.
2010 Annual Report on Police Misconduct
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Or, overcharged to instantly appease the people knowing the charges wouldn't stand up in the end?
That would make her a social worker. She is an state paid attorney.
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You guys are pushing for a disbarment for an attorney who was already pushing a rock uphill and have the nerve to call her racist.
It is uphill BECAUSE of her racism.
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It is uphill BECAUSE of her racism.
Explain
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Explain
No real time for it now. In summary, I believe she has shown herself to be racist. Because of that, she brought charges that cannot be proven. She brought them because of her personal conviction that the officers did wrong but her beliefs are clouded by her personal issues.
She is having trouble proving the charges because the charges should have never been brought. But she didn't know that, her judgment is flawed because of her personal beliefs.
That is all predicated on the idea that she is racist, which I don't have time to address now. I am also doubtful that you would ever open your mind enough to consider the idea of it.
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Funny, the Hildbeast was never even charged but to you guys she's guilty anyway. These guys have ben exonerated by a jury so they must be innocent.
being guilty is not the same as being convicted (except to lawyers who think of "guilt" only in the context of the legal system)
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No real time for it now. In summary, I believe she has shown herself to be racist. Because of that, she brought charges that cannot be proven. She brought them because of her personal conviction that the officers did wrong but her beliefs are clouded by her personal issues.
She is having trouble proving the charges because the charges should have never been brought. But she didn't know that, her judgment is flawed because of her personal beliefs.
That is all predicated on the idea that she is racist, which I don't have time to address now. I am also doubtful that you would ever open your mind enough to consider the idea of it.
The time you spent writing that could have been used to explain why she's racist. I didn't ask the question to put you on the spot, but to genuinely attempt to understand your POV. But since you don't want to go there...
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being guilty is not the same as being convicted (except to lawyers who think of "guilt" only in the context of the legal system)
Does this also apply to the Baltimore cops?
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Does this also apply to the Baltimore cops?
of course. duh.
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You guys are pushing for a disbarment for an attorney who was already pushing a rock uphill and have the nerve to call her racist...smh, when some of the cops she's prosecuting are of her own race.
You do realize that the bar is indeed high for convicting a cop! There are published stats on the conviction rate of police. For example:
2010 Annual Report on Police Misconduct
"I heard your call for 'no justice, no peace.'"
"To the youth of this city, I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment."
"You're at the forefront of this cause, and as young people, our time is now."
Mosby was playing to the mob, and figuratively opened the jail doors for a lynching. She needed scalps, and so she over charged them, regardless of whether that was reasonable or equitable.
In my opinion, she wanted her 15 minutes of fame, even if it meant that she would ruin 6 cops' lives.
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"I heard your call for 'no justice, no peace.'"
"To the youth of this city, I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment."
"You're at the forefront of this cause, and as young people, our time is now."
Mosby was playing to the mob, and figuratively opened the jail doors for a lynching. She needed scalps, and so she over charged them, regardless of whether that was reasonable or equitable.
In my opinion, she wanted her 15 minutes of fame, even if it meant that she would ruin 6 cops' lives.
I remind you of Bob Noel's comments above:
being guilty is not the same as being convicted (except to lawyers who think of "guilt" only in the context of the legal system)
This is corollary to being innocent doesn't mean they're not culpable
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This is corollary to being innocent doesn't mean they're not culpable
Quite so. OJ is a fine example.
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Quite so. OJ is a fine example.
Or Hillary
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Or Hillary
Hillary was never charged
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Hillary was never charged
Not only that, but someone with far more serious charges (Petraeus) was convicted and given a metaphorical slap on the wrist. All of this vitriol over the E-mail controversy is politics, pure and simple. They need something with which to hang Hillary since no one cares about Benghazi anymore.
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Not only that, but someone with far more serious charges (Petraeus) was convicted and given a metaphorical slap on the wrist. All of this vitriol over the E-mail controversy is politics, pure and simple. They need something with which to hang Hillary since no one cares about Benghazi anymore.
That is almost as blindly ignorant of the facts as your claims abut local weather and mmgw. Having sensitive and secret information housed on a private server with nearly ZERO security, and then lying about that while DESTROYING over 30,000 emails while claiming they had nothing of government interest on them is a felony - actually a bunch of felonies - and your only objection to this is due to the letter after her name.
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Not only that, but someone with far more serious charges (Petraeus) was convicted and given a metaphorical slap on the wrist. All of this vitriol over the E-mail controversy is politics, pure and simple. They need something with which to hang Hillary since no one cares about Benghazi anymore.
you should stick with genetics because you know exactly Richard about proper handling of classified material.
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Not only that, but someone with far more serious charges (Petraeus) was convicted and given a metaphorical slap on the wrist. All of this vitriol over the E-mail controversy is politics, pure and simple. They need something with which to hang Hillary since no one cares about Benghazi anymore.
And I have seen people with far less serious offenses - exposing one TS message to an underclassified crewmember (who only had secret clearance) get 3 months confinement and half pay, which is not even close to a metaphorical slap on the wrist. And the crew member was on the distribution routing list.
Hillary's non convictioon does not come as a surprise to those of us who expect unethical behavior. It CONFIRMS that our expectations of them being unethical is correct.
This single thing has slanted me toward Trump, I wonder how many others are the same. And I hate Trump. But I cannot vote for somone who is unethical and a crook.
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And I have seen people with far less serious offenses - exposing one TS message to an underclassified crewmember (who only had secret clearance) get 3 months confinement and half pay, which is not even close to a metaphorical slap on the wrist. And the crew member was on the distribution routing list.
Hillary's non convictioon does not come as a surprise to those of us who expect unethical behavior. It CONFIRMS that our expectations of them being unethical is correct.
This single thing has slanted me toward Trump, I wonder how many others are the same. And I hate Trump. But I cannot vote for somone who is unethical and a crook.
Article 15? Summary Court Martial? I can't imagine that was at a Special or General CM? Sounds like overly harsh sentencing to me.
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That is almost as blindly ignorant of the facts as your claims abut local weather and mmgw.
Climate change affects local weather. Get over it.
Having sensitive and secret information housed on a private server with nearly ZERO security,
Government servers are horrible. Whether or not the one she used was worse is debatable.
and then lying about that
Lying to a court is a felony. Lying on television is politics.
while DESTROYING over 30,000 emails while claiming they had nothing of government interest on them is a felony -
I was under the impression, having read it in a couple new outlets, that Clinton's lawyers actually did the deleting. You may of course correct me if I am incorrect on this point.
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Climate change affects local weather. Get over it.
Government servers are horrible. Whether or not the one she used was worse is debatable.
Lying to a court is a felony. Lying on television is politics.
I was under the impression, having read it in a couple new outlets, that Clinton's lawyers actually did the deleting. You may of course correct me if I am incorrect on this point.
The Computer Security Act is a LAW, not regulation. FISMA is a LAW, not regulation.
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The Computer Security Act is a LAW, not regulation. FISMA is a LAW, not regulation.
I believe both were passed after the tenure of Ms. Clinton.
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I believe both were passed after the tenure of Ms. Clinton.
LOLOLOLOLOL....
you ARE joking, right?
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LOLOLOLOLOL....
you ARE joking, right?
Badly mistaken with apologies. But the Computer Security Act doesn't even mention E-mail, which didn't exist then. FISMA wasn't passed until 2014.
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Badly mistaken with apologies. But the Computer Security Act doesn't even mention E-mail, which didn't exist then. FISMA wasn't passed until 2014.
The format of the classified information doesn't matter.
Something you would know if you ever had any training wrt handling classified information.
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Badly mistaken with apologies. But the Computer Security Act doesn't even mention E-mail, which didn't exist then. FISMA wasn't passed until 2014.
CSA 1987, FISMA 2002.
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CSA 1987, FISMA 2002.
You are indeed correct, please forgive me. Now, since I am obviously entirely out of my depth perhaps one of you experts could give an example of a private citizen indicted/and or convicted of either of these laws and the circumstance.
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I'm not aware of any. But CSA has been attached in espionage cases. Again, I'm not aware of any convictions or indictments for violations.
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I'm not aware of any. But CSA has been attached in espionage cases. Again, I'm not aware of any convictions or indictments for violations.
So there's never been an indictment, so they need to start with Hillary Clinton. Yeah.
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So there's never been an indictment, so they need to start with Hillary Clinton. Yeah.
omg - JB isn't aware of any, so your conclusion is that there never has been an indictment?
wtf is wrong with your reasoning?
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omg - JB isn't aware of any, so your conclusion is that there never has been an indictment?
wtf is wrong with your reasoning?
You guys are positioning yourselves as the big experts. I admit my own ignorance. Who's been fragged with these laws. My reading suggested that they were mostly applied to government.